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It's not about sandboxing, the malware uses a previously undiscovered privilege escalation exploit. It doesn't matter how good the design of your sandbox is, once that kind of exploit is found, the sandboxing is pointless.

I don't think this is going to change because Android programmers are sloppy. To give evidence of this, here is what happened to me today: I opened a few Java files from Android in Eclipse, and looked at the warnings. Within a few minutes I had found 5 different bugs just from reading the warnings in the compiler output. Google programmers have been known to publicly say bugs are no big deal. If that attitude has really spread around the company, how capable do you think they will be of writing secure sandbox code?

Ah, Verity Stob wrote about this years ago - around 2001. I believe you're talking about the Microsoft API du jour.

This is one of the problems with Open Source in general: the engineers are expert in coding, and believe that this is all one needs for a great product.

There are acknowledged experts in usability and presentation (and documentation and testing and installation procedures and marketing) who have spent many years of study and have experience in these things. For some reason, few open source projects have subgroups of these types - the development is always code changes checked into a database.

A good example is the ribbon interface in XBMC. Some other computer product had a "ribbon" of program icons, so having one made from words was thought to be a good idea. Icons are mostly small and square, while words are generally wide, so the result is that only one or two selections are visible at one time. Compare with Tivo's vertical list and you'll see a marked difference - using XBMC is like reading a newspaper through a straw.

(Don't bother telling me how to skin XBMC or the obscure option in some hidden menu that makes the presentation sane. It would have been easier to just make a product that isn't frustrating or time-consuming to correct.)

There's an ocean of expertise in other areas that goes into making a good product. If any coders are bored and wanted to explore a new field of research, usability and presentation skills could be very useful.

((Apropos of nothing, there's room for innovation into different ways of presentation and control. I've seen a lot of good suggestions from fiction, such as the AirWolf cockpit altitude display, the gesture-based input from Earth: Final Conflict ship, the cell phones from Earth: Final Conflict, or the medical display in Star Trek: Into Darkness (at the very beginning, the sick girl).))

https://www.google.com/search?q=gurn&tbm=isch

It is impossible to control or even significantly affect the CO2 emissions at the volume generated by Thermo and Hydroelectrics no matter what you do,

You fail, and also you fail.

and forests actually generate about as much CO2 as they sequester by the way.

This is literally only true of tropical rainforests.

There is simply no way to control the damage CO2 emissions do except by not emitting it.

That is utterly and completely false. For instance, you could plant successions of bamboo irrigated with sewage water, it doesn't give a shit — in fact, it loves it. Then after curing (which gives ample opportunity for the death of any pathogens) you build things out of the bamboo that you would have ordinarily built out of steel, which does in fact reduce carbon release as well as sequestering environmental carbon.

In short, everything you believe about carbon is a lie. It's called the carbon cycle for a reason, and — get this — the reason is that it's cyclical.

It's not just the railways. And now the Chinese are spreading their construction expertise throughout Asia.

It's not just the railways. And now the Chinese are spreading their construction expertise throughout Asia.

Oh really? It's not like Linux was just officially adopted by the largest country on the planet or anything. It's not like the EU making law after law towards open standards and many countries in Europe passing laws requiring open source software will increase Linux market share.

You know that the rest of the world is not the US, right? In many countries in Asia you find laptops and desktops running android, not Windows. The only reason those places used windows to begin with was the software clone stores, and as those are being sought out and closed the Windows market share will drop further.

The fake Mt Gox sites are found on domains such as mtgox.org, mtgox.net. Existing customers and Bitcoin early adopters will likely not fall for this. This is likely targeting the non-tech-savvy followers who just heard through the media about a currency that can make you rich or a cool way to buy drugs. A search or two will unlikely lead a potential victim to one of these fake sites, so they are depending on the advertising. Details are scarce on how they are advertising.

Fukushima children thyroid

https://www.google.com/search?q=time

That page only has comments going back to December for me. My complete posting history goes back over a decade.

This is slashdot. News for Nerds.

The Slashdot search function goes something like this:

wget -U “Lynx/3.0 http://www.google.com/search?&start=1\&num=100\&q=27352+site:slashdot.org -O Search01.html
wget -U “Lynx/3.0 http://www.google.com/search?&start=101\&num=200\&q=27352+site:slashdot.org -O Search02.html
wget -U “Lynx/3.0 http://www.google.com/search?&start=201\&num=300\&q=27352+site:slashdot.org -O Search03.html

Then

lynx -dump -listonly Search01.html >> URL_list.ascii
lynx -dump -listonly Search02.html >> URL_list.ascii
lynx -dump -listonly Search03.html >> URL_list.ascii

Then grep out the webcache and google URLs and trim off anything that prepends the URL you want with a Perl substitution

s/(https?\:\/\/)(\w*\.)?(slashdot\.org\/.*)/$1$2$3/

And finally, wget again

wget -U "Lynx/22.0" -i ./URL_list.ascii

It is at this stage you realize that you have just downloaded 200MB of javascript and are found 2 days later sitting under a cold shower in the foetal position

That page only has comments going back to December for me. My complete posting history goes back over a decade.

This is slashdot. News for Nerds.

The Slashdot search function goes something like this:

wget -U “Lynx/3.0 http://www.google.com/search?&start=1\&num=100\&q=27352+site:slashdot.org -O Search01.html
wget -U “Lynx/3.0 http://www.google.com/search?&start=101\&num=200\&q=27352+site:slashdot.org -O Search02.html
wget -U “Lynx/3.0 http://www.google.com/search?&start=201\&num=300\&q=27352+site:slashdot.org -O Search03.html

Then

lynx -dump -listonly Search01.html >> URL_list.ascii
lynx -dump -listonly Search02.html >> URL_list.ascii
lynx -dump -listonly Search03.html >> URL_list.ascii

Then grep out the webcache and google URLs and trim off anything that prepends the URL you want with a Perl substitution

s/(https?\:\/\/)(\w*\.)?(slashdot\.org\/.*)/$1$2$3/

And finally, wget again

wget -U "Lynx/22.0" -i ./URL_list.ascii

It is at this stage you realize that you have just downloaded 200MB of javascript and are found 2 days later sitting under a cold shower in the foetal position

That page only has comments going back to December for me. My complete posting history goes back over a decade.

This is slashdot. News for Nerds.

The Slashdot search function goes something like this:

wget -U “Lynx/3.0 http://www.google.com/search?&start=1\&num=100\&q=27352+site:slashdot.org -O Search01.html
wget -U “Lynx/3.0 http://www.google.com/search?&start=101\&num=200\&q=27352+site:slashdot.org -O Search02.html
wget -U “Lynx/3.0 http://www.google.com/search?&start=201\&num=300\&q=27352+site:slashdot.org -O Search03.html

Then

lynx -dump -listonly Search01.html >> URL_list.ascii
lynx -dump -listonly Search02.html >> URL_list.ascii
lynx -dump -listonly Search03.html >> URL_list.ascii

Then grep out the webcache and google URLs and trim off anything that prepends the URL you want with a Perl substitution

s/(https?\:\/\/)(\w*\.)?(slashdot\.org\/.*)/$1$2$3/

And finally, wget again

wget -U "Lynx/22.0" -i ./URL_list.ascii

It is at this stage you realize that you have just downloaded 200MB of javascript and are found 2 days later sitting under a cold shower in the foetal position

There are truckloads of people joining all sorts of organisations every day that swear to uphold and defend the constitution. where are they? Where are the defenders?

https://news.google.com/news?ned=us&q=ACLU

I can't imagine any 'legit' use for http://code.google.com/p/hamiyoca/

Would it help, if we slap a "research project"-sticker on it?

The first, biggest issues of patent reform are:

• * How do you reform in the face of determined opposition from the Patent Industry? Or
• * How do you strip the Patent Industry of it's enormous influence? And
• * How can we possibly survive the current flood of crappy patents.

The mechanics of patent reform are fairly obvious to everybody, once we acknowledge and fix the big mistakes. I sketched out a few of these mistakes out at : https://plus.google.com/b/101806809558932714222/101806809558932714222/about They include:

• 1) Running the US Patent Office as a cost-recovery operation is a mistake.
• 2) It is a mistake to organize the US Patent Office to create economic incentives to grant poor patents.
• 3) Scaling up the Patent Office to produce more poor quality patents is a mistake.
• 4) It is a mistake to grant all patents that meet minimum standards.

But, I've got no idea how we are going to survive the millions of low quality patents.

Miles

they prefer to be called Trekkies!

Trekkies is what non fans call fans. Fans call themselves Trekkers. You'd know this if you were a fan. Turn in your card.

Why don't you let your balls drop before making any more arguments boy? :)

The maturity level of this response makes one question whether or not yours have, as a matter of medical reality (i.e., surely anyone old enough for their testes to have descended would be smart enough to come up with a better insult).

You have no understanding of any law it seems, or the fact that in a rape case you're guilty until proven innocent based on the female's statement.

Sounds like something a rapist would say. Personally, I prefer to let the rule of law prevail, and in our society accusations must be backed with evidence. Just because you weren't smart enough to request the results of the rape kit* prior to submitting yourself to custody has no bearing on the reality of law.

* unless you really are a rapist, in which case I can understand not wanting the rape kit evidence brought to light.

Regulatory agencies sometimes work

Yea, and every once in a while a blind sow finds a truffle. What's your point?

you can thank them for your meat (largely) not having salmonella, or not blowing our your ear drums when your TV switches to commercial.

Actually, I have the local farmers who I know personally to thank for the quality of my meats, and I do on a regular basis; they're great people. As for the TV volume issue, I have a feeling that even without the FCC there would not only be methods of evening out volumes, but that the market would self regulate, in that commercials that were offensively loud would be switched off, thus limiting the reach of the advertisement (while not a marketing goon myself, I understand how human nature interacts with a capitalist market... really, it's elementary stuff if you actually have the mental capacity to consider it).

Of course you're probably just going to reply with some dumbass remark that makes no fuckin sense, so... have at it!

Nah, you seem to have a monopoly on that market, and I have no intention of usurping your dominance. Cheers.

they prefer to be called Trekkies!

This is actually a really interesting point. I love IBM and am so delighted that they have evolved into what they are. It hadn't occurred to me that there might still be a place for Microsoft in a post PC world, but IBM would provide a pretty damn good template for what MSFT could become. On the other hand, IBM's stock trajectory has been decidedly more exciting than MSFT since 2000. At $35, MSFT's P/E is a suspicious 18.01 whereas IBM's current P/E is 14.2.

AAPL stock's P/E is currently only 10.71.

This is actually a really interesting point. I love IBM and am so delighted that they have evolved into what they are. It hadn't occurred to me that there might still be a place for Microsoft in a post PC world, but IBM would provide a pretty damn good template for what MSFT could become. On the other hand, IBM's stock trajectory has been decidedly more exciting than MSFT since 2000. At $35, MSFT's P/E is a suspicious 18.01 whereas IBM's current P/E is 14.2.

AAPL stock's P/E is currently only 10.71.

So this is like Mold-a-rama for the 21st century?

Hell, I'd be happy with 1960's Mold-a-rama!

Jeez give it a rest, there are people on this planet who'd do anything to live in our democracy and you cheapen the word with your trinket dispenser.

No one is cheapening the word -- it's its usage in this form predates your absurdist politically correct world view.

Google, tell us what "democratizing" means.

Thanks for replying! Yes we tried some of the more obvious workarounds, but couldn't prevent clicks from sometimes being synthesized "after the fact". So for example we would do a page transition in response to a touchstart event, but if those same X,Y coordinates on the new page would cover a clickable item, THAT would receive a spurious event.

By this time we had to get some apps out the door and we went native. To my regret, as I was just getting excited about HTML5. Then, later, I ran across this document by some google guys. Sounds like it might help resolve this major annoyance.

Subject: Re: calories burned by thinking
Answered By: omnivorous-ga on 31 Jul 2004 04:14 PDT

Nordie2 --

In 1986, researchers isolated both the "at rest" and "active"
consumption of calories in the brain. Since then we've learned quite
a bit about brain activities, particularly as PET scans have been
applied to monitor glucose consumption in the brain.

As a result, we know lots of things, including that:
* energy consumption in the brain is related to learning. In other
words, once you've learned something (like mastering that chess game),
the energy consumption goes down.

* energy consumption in the brain is more than two times higher for
children under age 4. This is no surprise because they are learning
and building brain structure. The brain's energy consumption levels
around age 10 to 12.

Wayne State University
"Brain Surges," (DiCresce, undated)
http://www.med.wayne.edu/wayne%20medicine/wm97/brain.htm

* IQ can effect energy consumption. After learning a task, lower IQ
people have to exert more energy to complete a task than high IQ
people who have learned the same task.

ENERGY CONSUMPTION
=====================

Energy consumption by the brain is 230-247 calories, based on 17
calories/gram and human brain sizes of 1,350-1,450 grams. During
periods of peak performance, adults increase that energy consumption
by up to 50%, according to psychology lecturer Mark Moss, of the
University of Northumbria.

While this may not seem an extraordinary amount of energy, the brain
may use 30% of a body's total energy, while being only 2?3% of total
body mass.

Moss cites the original 1986 work of Siebert, Gessner, and Klasser on
the energy supply of the central nervous system in his thesis. The
thesis, particularly the chapter 1 introduction, is a good and not
overly technical discussion of what we know about brain activity,
including descriptions of how PET scans are being used to monitor
glucose consumption in the brain. I've linked the first chapter:

University of Northumbria
"Oxygen Administration, Cognitive Performance and Physiological Responses,"
(Mark C. Moss, PhD Thesis 1999)
http://psychology.unn.ac.uk/mark/chapter1/chap1.htm

Google search strategy:
learning + "glucose consumption" + calories
"size of human brain"

Best regards,

Omnivorous-GA

http://answers.google.com/answers/threadview?id=381608

"I must be quick to point out that nobody in the media or universities of this dimension praises Stalin, Mao, or Pol Pot."

You are incorrect. On all three counts.

"I must be quick to point out that nobody in the media or universities of this dimension praises Stalin, Mao, or Pol Pot."

You are incorrect. On all three counts.

I know for sure Google, Fedora and Microsoft (I know... but it has perks for the club) have ambassador programs and will provide funding and raffle prizes that can be used for fundraising to keep the club going.

It may be my lack of Google skills, but I can't find any evidence of a Red Hat corporate presence in Ghana. (and both surprised and slightly disappointed to find very few pictures of Ghaneans wearing fedoras instead but I digress...)

I will bite on this.

Something I found in the past is, if there is no presence where you live, contact the company and create the presence there. They will often work with you for loads of promotion that will cost them almost nothing.

Ambassador Programs
http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors
http://www.google.com/intl/en/jobs/students/proscho/programs/uscanada/ambassador/ (find your region)
http://www.microsoft.com/de-ch/students/en/getInTouch/MicrosoftOnCampus/Ambassadors/default.aspx#fbid=6Weg8o4CBmr
http://www.apple.com/education/campusreps/

Don't forget to contact other major distros and see if they have anything similar or would donate some shirts, dvds, usbs, keychains or ANYTHING to your group to help promote Linux.

Sign your team up for Dreamspark and get Microsoft OSs running as VMs on top of linux so you can know about the issues involved with running MS services in VMs. They also have something like "Microsoft Services for Unix." It's always good to know your "enemy."

Every contract, combination in the form of trust or otherwise, or conspiracy, in restraint of trade or commerce among the several States, or with foreign nations, is hereby declared to be illegal.

http://books.google.com/books?id=biU3AAAAIAAJ&pg=PA209

There are several more projects out there that are far better then this, Slashdot now just copying the crap from Hack A Day now?

https://www.google.com/search?q=raspberry+Pi+laptop&safe=off&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ei=g5qsUcb7GbT_4AOfh4DwAg&ved=0CFAQsAQ&biw=1600&bih=785

They used a random enclosure that was laying around, added a function that is not needed for any reason (ATA power shutdown? really, on a 5 watt device?) and simply glued a car monitor to the top.

Tomorrow on Slashdot, Amazing hack on using peanut butter AND jelly in a sandwich. We cover what sides of the bread you spread it on and the amazing assembly trick to pull this off.

dictator /dikttr/

Noun
A ruler with total power over a country, typically one who has obtained power by force.
A person who tells people what to do in an autocratic way or who determines behavior in a particular sphere.

source: http://www.google.com/

I'm thinking of converting my Hummer to run on whale oil.

According to this, contemporary sperm whale oil production peaked at almost 39 barrels/whale in 1952. At current US daily consumption of ~19 million barrels(and assuming that whale squeezin's are equivalent to inorganic oils), a mere ~488,000 whales per day could entirely eliminate our wasteful demand for oil!

That would exhaust the estimated pre-hunting wild population in about two days; but I'm sure that bold advances in aquaculture will step in to fill the gap.

Eye-Fi is one manufacturer of the type of SD card the grandparent is talking about. Their cards in particular have a small amount of storage, a Wi-Fi radio, and a tiny client which automatically uploads pictures written to the storage via the SD interface to a designated server via a proprietary protocol apparently based on HTTP.

To continue in the pedantic mode, Minix was not microkernel in versions 1 & 2, but is now, in version 3.

Well I mean Minix was already microkernel at the point of the Tanenbaum/Torvalds discussion. (Kind of funny actually how the later replies to that thread talk about how legendary that same thread is.) Don't know what version it was though.

60 billion here:
http://maps.google.com/maps?q=Google+Dublin&fb=1&gl=us&hq=Google&hnear=0x48670e80ea27ac2f:0xa00c7a9973171a0,Dublin,+Ireland&cid=0,0,14179187141338221046&t=m&z=16&iwloc=A

And 74 billion more here:
https://maps.google.com/maps?q=Hollyhill+Industrial+Estate,+Cork,+Ireland&hl=en&sll=51.903599,-8.505019&sspn=0.01124,0.027874&oq=Hollyhill+Industrial+Estate&hnear=Hollyhill+Industrial+Estate,+Cork,+County+Cork,+Ireland&t=m&z=15

60 billion here:
http://maps.google.com/maps?q=Google+Dublin&fb=1&gl=us&hq=Google&hnear=0x48670e80ea27ac2f:0xa00c7a9973171a0,Dublin,+Ireland&cid=0,0,14179187141338221046&t=m&z=16&iwloc=A

And 74 billion more here:
https://maps.google.com/maps?q=Hollyhill+Industrial+Estate,+Cork,+Ireland&hl=en&sll=51.903599,-8.505019&sspn=0.01124,0.027874&oq=Hollyhill+Industrial+Estate&hnear=Hollyhill+Industrial+Estate,+Cork,+County+Cork,+Ireland&t=m&z=15

I love paper-books and wouldn't buy any DRM encumbered e-book because some 30+ year old books I'm reading once a while and I don't trust any DRM-server to last that long.

But if a paper-book would get me a download of the same as an e-book I'm willing to spend a little bit more to have a significant chunk of my 4 digit number of books during travel.

I'm considering to build a scanner linear-book-scanner to make my portable library but question my ability to build it ;-). This scanner seems to be able to scan a book without any human help. Start one book before going to work, one coming home and one before going to sleep gives more than 1000 books a year. A few years of minimal efford and all is done. If one could buy such a scanner for 1000-2000 eur I would start building my e-books tomorrow.

You clearly do not know what "Luddite" means. Are people trashing Monsanto's crops, equipment or property? No, they are not.

Yes they are.

Iran's current state is an indirect result of the 1953 coup. It's a direct result of the 1979 revolution and the idiocy of leftists teaming up with Muslim groups. They used the Muslim groups as the muscle and assumed they would step aside and let the leftist intellectuals rule when the dirty work was done. Quite a tragic miscalculation, though obvious in hindsight.

Quite tragic for iranian citizenry under shah regime. Britality of this regime caused 1979 revolution. Even more tragic during Iraq-Iran war, procured by US and western powers, led by Saddam Hussein, supported and armed by US right through hist worst atrocities. Still suffering due to harsh sanctions and surrounded by dozens of US military bases.

That's a common theory but it doesn't make sense.. if anybody wanted to invade Iran, why wouldn't they do so RIGHT NOW before Iran has nukes? And yet it doesn't happen...

The problem is that Iran is not so easy to invade. That's why Pentagon generals block every attempt of US politicians to invade Iran: this might end up in disaster for US even if they manage to wipe out iranian army. Economic consequences of blocking Hormuz Straits are just too severe. Risk of overstretching and losing control over Middle East is also great and IF it happens, you can kiss goodbye to US dollar as a reserve currency.

Just skimming quickly around your post I see that you still believe in 'right' vs 'left' dualism. This tells me you're being deluded. Our media and politicians like us to think in terms of 'left' vs 'right' and identify with either of these sides, so they can see us fighting each other and not paying attentions to their dirty games. It is also easy way to manipulate public: just tag someone (something) as 'leftist', 'rightist' or 'terrorist' and certain parts of society will hate this person (object, process, whatever). I'd urge you to educate yourself. Starting with developments in Iran since II WW might be a good start. Even wikipedia is a good start. Careful reading (with your noisy TV [FoxNews/CNN/whatever] turned off) is a key.

I think Computer science it's a lot bigger that just programming. You can all take a huge project like customizing a Starctaft bot https://code.google.com/p/skynetbot/ and give ever person a role in thar play... Some would be good organizers, some could have skills in programming, and... other could be beta tester playing against the bot and takin notes about bad behaivour. Thar game runs on a pentium MMX, so your old hardware shouldn't be a problem. Making them all fell like a part of something, contributing to the proyect shoud motivate them... Your role it's to identify their capabilities and give them a proper task.

Common sense indicates that the repeated use of glyphosate would eventually give rise to "Roundup Ready" weeds through the mechanism of Darwinian selection. A quick Google search indicates that this has indeed happened. Presumably Monsanto intends to move on to the next poison once glyphosate is played out.

I'm sorry, but this urban legend that Monsanto sues farmers for cross-pollination with their crops simply has to die already. I saw the film "Food Inc" and completely bought into the horror stories of Organic Farmers being sued out of business for cross-pollination, but then those same farmers took the case to court and the Judge threw the case out because the farmers could not produce one single example of this ever happening. Here's the Court Transcript, and the defense makes a pretty strong argument pages 33-36:

23 ...the notion that Monsanto's campaign, so to speak, against farmers -- which, by the way, by their count, over 15 years has amounted to 144 lawsuits brought, every single one of them against farmers who wanted, affirmatively were making use of the trade, and spraying herbicide over the tops of their crops without signing a license, without paying Monsanto the royalty for the use of its intellectual property -- the notion that that terrorizes people who have no desire to use it whatsoever is perhaps belied most significantly by Mr. Ravicher's inability to cite anything other than a movie called Food, Inc. or a CBS report to demonstrate what they can't demonstrate, which is if this were a ubiquitous threat, you would expect that there would be some plaintiff in this case who would say, "I am an inadvertent user. I have it and it's inadvertent. I have it in my fields and Monsanto has sent me a letter or Monsanto has called me and said, 'You are in patent jeopardy.'"

When you go to court to sue a company for unfairly suing innocent farmers who's crops were inadvertently cross-pollinated with patented GMOs, you better be able to produce at least one single example of this happening. When I read this transcript, I realized the Organic Seed Growers Association and all this anti-GMO stuff is really just anti-Science Neo-Luddism. As nerds we should be concerned with veracity and not fall into the trap all the muggles fall into of condemning technology and believing all the scientifically-unsupported horror stories about it simply because it's new and different.

Which will get struck down by the supreme court the second it hits their docket.

On what basis?

https://www.google.com/search?q=define+infringed

An assault rifle is a selective fire (selective between automatic, semi-automatic, and burst fire) rifle that uses an intermediate cartridge and a detachable magazine.

It's the very first sentence. Or, if you don't like wikipedia, let's try Google: A rapid-fire, magazine-fed automatic rifle designed for infantry use.

So, we good here?

Obviously sarcasm. Not sure why you link to a comparison against nasdaq instead of just the msft ticker, maybe you're just better at understanding these things than me.

All this shows is that they've managed to piggy-back the nasdaq rise this month and fluked 6% during the last half of March. If I wanted to make 23% over the same period I could have put it in bitcoin.

MSFT ticker year to date. I didn't really mean to claim it was the best investment out there, just as a counterpoint to the Microsoft is dying sentiment BTW, this is MSFT last 5 years - they are currently at 5-year high...

Obviously sarcasm. Not sure why you link to a comparison against nasdaq instead of just the msft ticker, maybe you're just better at understanding these things than me.

All this shows is that they've managed to piggy-back the nasdaq rise this month and fluked 6% during the last half of March. If I wanted to make 23% over the same period I could have put it in bitcoin.

MSFT ticker year to date. I didn't really mean to claim it was the best investment out there, just as a counterpoint to the Microsoft is dying sentiment BTW, this is MSFT last 5 years - they are currently at 5-year high...

Lies, damned lies and statistics. This chart http://www.google.com/finance?chdnp=1&chdd=1&chds=1&chdv=1&chvs=maximized&chdeh=0&chfdeh=0&chdet=1369944000000&chddm=517338&chls=IntervalBasedLine&cmpto=NASDAQ:AAPL&cmptdms=0&q=NASDAQ:MSFT&ntsp=0&ei=h4qnUfjaKIGGwAOwuwE tells a different story

Indeed, market reaction to Microsoft's business prospects after launch of Windows 8 can be clearly read from 2008 stock prices.

Lies, damned lies and statistics. This chart http://www.google.com/finance?chdnp=1&chdd=1&chds=1&chdv=1&chvs=maximized&chdeh=0&chfdeh=0&chdet=1369944000000&chddm=517338&chls=IntervalBasedLine&cmpto=NASDAQ:AAPL&cmptdms=0&q=NASDAQ:MSFT&ntsp=0&ei=h4qnUfjaKIGGwAOwuwE tells a different story

Give users the option to use your terrible Metro interface or have a standard Start menu. What's so hard about that?

Google Finance confirms it, Microsoft has really been tanking lately.