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Re:Combating Cyberfraud
Even better, Project Gutenberg Australia http://gutenberg.net.au/ , which has much looser copyrights. I think public domain there starts in 1954.
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Re:Props to the MastersAnd in an after thought follow-up.
Collected Stories - H. P. Lovecraft - Project Gutenberg of Australia
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Re:Classics, not just stuffy rhetoric or dull hist
Or here http://gutenberg.net.au/ with some worries of lawlessness depending on which country you are in, but no feelings of guilt.
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If only I could warn them!
...say, by emailing everyone in UK a copy of George Orwell's 1984 and a link to GnuPGP.
Yes I know, this is a fantasy. Where would you possibly get all UK email addresses?
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jamei... is taking bets on how soon until this database is "lost", and appears on ebay
:)Relax, you can be assured that this data will be kept under "strict controls"
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Re:mixed feelings about this
Or alternatively... http://gutenberg.net.au/ebooks01/0100021.txt
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Re:Beautifully phrased (not)Actually, Orwell got there first - the sentence you quote is clumsy and inelegant, but the meaning can at least be extracted.
Compare that with Orwell's examples, and you will see that the English language is well used to being raped.
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George Orwell: 1984 full text
It's out of copyright in Australia and hosted on Gutenberg Australia's site. Fortunately it made it though before the F***edUp Trade Agreement extended copyright and the legislation isn't retrospective.
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Beagle B robotic boat
TFA mentions a larger robotic boat called the "Beagle B". This name sounds suspiciously like someone is paying homage to the Malcolm Jameson story "Children of the Betsy-B" that was first published in Astounding Science Fiction in 1939.
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Re:An inside view of the Scientology reality tunneYou should read 1984 by George Orwell. Free ebook here
To me your story sounded a lot like this one. He even introduces a new vocabulary with words like double think.His mind slid away into the labyrinthine world of doublethink. To know and not to know, to be conscious of complete truthfulness while telling carefully constructed lies, to hold simultaneously two opinions which cancelled out, knowing them to be contradictory and believing in both of them, to use logic against logic, to repudiate morality while laying claim to it, to believe that democracy was impossible and that the Party was the guardian of democracy, to forget whatever it was necessary to forget, then to draw it back into memory again at the moment when it was needed, and then promptly to forget it again: and above all, to apply the same process to the process itself. That was the ultimate subtlety: consciously to induce unconsciousness, and then, once again, to become unconscious of the act of hypnosis you had just performed. Even to understand the word 'doublethink' involved the use of doublethink.
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Re:Read it again
I think you guys are talking about different parts of the book.
'Naughty Bob' seems to be talking about the actual appendix titled Appendix: The Principles of Newspeak, while 'dazedNconfuzed' seems ( slightly confuzedly
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Re:Ah, teh good old days
Another good site is http://gutenberg.net.au/ (the au site has some stuff the full one doesn't) I particularly like their sci-fi section, even more particularly their Robert E Howard bit. Mmm, Conan. http://gutenberg.net.au/sfproject.html
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Re:Ah, teh good old days
Another good site is http://gutenberg.net.au/ (the au site has some stuff the full one doesn't) I particularly like their sci-fi section, even more particularly their Robert E Howard bit. Mmm, Conan. http://gutenberg.net.au/sfproject.html
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Re:Sort of ...
Yes, but what Universal was saying is that it's the archive's responsibility to limit access to only those scores that people are legally allowed to view.
This is a bizarre stance and I don't believe there's any possible way they could get it upheld (although maybe in the E.U. and in Canada, who knows), but it was enough to scare the site owner into taking the whole thing down.
I can think of a bunch of similarly contentious issues that never were forced to go that route: up until fairly recently, you couldn't export strong crypto out of the U.S. Thus, every site that allowed you to download strong crypto required you to click on a little form certifying that you were a U.S. Citizen or located in the U.S. As long as they did that, they could pass the buck on to the user if they got accused of distributing.
And anyone who wants can go to Project Gutenberg Australia's site and get books that are still under copyright in the U.S. and the E.U., because Australia has managed to stand up to the IP lobbies and retained a death-plus-50 copyright instead of death-plus-70 like the Disney Empire's client states.
Basically, Universal wants to somehow shift liability from the user to the distributor, even though what the distributor is doing is legal, just because it's easier for them to go after distributors. It's stupid, and it's unfortunate that Canada has such a cozy relationship with the E.U. that the site operator felt threatened by their tactics. (A U.S. court, I suspect, would have laughed at a E.U. court's judgment against a U.S. firm for doing something that was legal in the U.S., simply because it was accessible through the internet by people in the E.U.; I don't understand why the Canadian courts would have done it any differently. That a Canadian citizen would feel threatened by that is pretty disgusting.) -
Can we give "1984" a rest?
People should not be allowed to reference 1984 (or say "Orwellian") unless they've actually read the thing. It describes a totalitarian state that makes Stalin look like a libertarian. It's not just about a government that spies on its people (though only the upper classes). It's about people willfully changing their own memories of the past and a ruling party that claims to control reality. All of this is set in a world of permanent war and grinding poverty for almost all of humanity.
People are right to be concerned about the government spying on them. But most of the intrusions that people are up in arms about is a long way from "1984" territory. Being added to a database every time you drive into Manhattan does raise privacy concerns, but it's many orders of magnitude away from the nightmare Orwell described.
Warning: it's illegal to follow the above Gutenberg Australia link if you live in the U.S. or some other country that has effectively made copyrights permanent. That's a bad thing, but it's not "Orwellian" either. -
Re:Enforcement
There are several RFID blocking wallets already on the market. Will students be allowed to block the signal if they don't want to be tracked? This reminds me of those some of those PBS nature shows where a wildlife biologist has tagged a animal with a radio collar and is tracking its movements by radio. It also reminds me of the book "1984."
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Re:There is a reason the Founding Fathers hated IP
Can someone explain why copyrights and patents should expire? I'm being serious.
Well first there is the U.S. Constitution, Article 1, Section 8.Congress shall have Power
They said it pretty well right there. The idea behind patents and copyrights is to promote progress, not profit. There are various different arguments lurking in there, especially patents in general and software patents in particular, but I'll just argue copyright at the moment, since that was the original subject.
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To promote the Progress of Science and the useful Arts, by securing for limited Times to Authors and Inventors the exclusive Right to their respective Writings and Discoveries; ...
Let's take first an extreme example, and then move back towards the realm of reason: Do you really want to find Shakespeare's ancestors (or more likely nowadays, publisher) and pay them royalties for reading Hamlet?
The Velveteen Rabbit and Ulysses are two of the last works to enter the public domain. Both were published in 1922, and both of their Authors died in the 1940s. It is perhaps reasonable to expect the authors to be paid for every copy sold during their lifetimes (although I'm sure they deserved more than what the publishers gave them, even in those days). It might even be reasonable to expect the children of the authors to receive some compensation for a short time after their parents died, say 5 years or until they turn 25, whichever is first. It is quite unreasonable to say that James Joyce's 75-year-old grandson should still have a continuing source of money, unaffected by inflation, from his grandfather's work.
Now take the well-known British author Eric Arthur Blair. He published a book in 1949, and died in 1950. The copyright on this book will last until 1944. Explain to me why any author's great grandchildren should see royalties until 94 years after the death of a relative they were only distantly related to? This part is purely hypothetical; I could find no information on his only son. By the way, Eric Arthur Blair went by the pseudonym George Orwell, and in 1949 published Nineteen Eighty-Four. In the atmosphere the US government is creating, every good citizen should read it. Despite Orwell's death early in 1950, however, it remains under US copyright (but not in Russia or Australia). -
Here's the manual: 1984I guess it's time for you all to read up on George Orwell's 1984 because it appears it's not just the UK who is treating this as a manual rather than fiction..
Ah, fear is such a good way to control the population, I can see why dictators use it as well. But at least they don't pretend to do this in name of "preserving your freedom", nor do they try to hide that they've placed themselves above the law (watch the video).
Oh yes, it's fun to NOT live in such a democracy.. -
What I think would be cool under GreenlandThis:
The effect was that of a Cyclopean city of no architecture known to man or to human imagination, with vast aggregations of night-black masonry embodying monstrous perversions of geometrical laws. There were truncated cones, sometimes terraced or fluted, surmounted by tall cylindrical shafts here and there bulbously enlarged and often capped with tiers of thinnish scalloped disks; and strange beetling, table-like constructions suggesting piles of multitudinous rectangular slabs or circular plates or five-pointed stars with each one overlapping the one beneath. There were composite cones and pyramids either alone or surmounting cylinders or cubes or flatter truncated cones and pyramids, and occasional needle-like spires in curious clusters of five. All of these febrile structures seemed knit together by tubular bridges crossing from one to the other at various dizzy heights, and the implied scale of the whole was terrifying and oppressive in its sheer gigantism. The general type of mirage was not unlike some of the wilder forms observed and drawn by the arctic whaler Scoresby in 1820, but at this time and place, with those dark, unknown mountain peaks soaring stupendously ahead, that anomalous elder-world discovery in our minds, and the pall of probable disaster enveloping the greater part of our expedition, we all seemed to find in it a taint of latent malignity and infinitely evil portent.
Likely? No... but if it happened it might make certian people reconsider that greenhouse gas/climate change tradeoff issue. :) -
For those that don't understand the reference ...
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Re:But no privacy in the land of the free
It is on Gutenberg.
No, I am more libertarian.
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Why Now?
Bacteriophage has been known about for a long time — long before it was identified as viruses. There's a novel written in 1925 that has a doctor using bacteriophage to fight bubonic plague. So I have to wonder why it's taken this long to develop such an obvious application.
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Re:preprogrammed phones for kids?
Clicky
Clicky, too
"I thought again of the eldritch primal myths that had so persistently haunted me since my first sight of this dead antarctic world--of the demoniac plateau of Leng, of the Mi-Go..."
-- H.P. Lovecraft,AT THE MOUNTAINS OF MADNESSWhile the Mi-go phone is extremely cool, you might want to wait for the DeepOnes® waterproof model, or the exceptionally cute Tcho-Tcho® version
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Re:I just thought they were weird.
Then the violence of agitated water ceased; the low trample of hoofs ceased...
Hmm its The Thundering Herd by Zane Grey.
You know, it's kinda-sorta fun to google up where they get the anti-hash text from.
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Ministry of Truth
So, what you're telling me is that Apple is NOT really the enemy of Big Brother, but Big Brother in disguise? I'm so confused. How can there be so many truths? The Ministry is supposed to protect us against such confusion by telling us ONLY the truth! If you'll excuse me, I think I need to go watch my telescreen now. Perhaps the truth is there.
Down with Goldstein!
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Re:Following instructions.
Intrigued by the Sinclair Lewis quote? Check out the Project Gutenberg copy of It Can't Happen Here, his speculative novel about the election of a fascist as U.S. president.
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George Orwell says "I told you so"
"Any sound that Winston made, above the level of a very low whisper, would be picked up by [the telescreen], moreover, so long as he remained within the field of vision which the metal plaque commanded, he could be seen as well as heard. There was of course no way of knowing whether you were being watched at any given moment. How often, or on what system, the Thought Police plugged in on any individual wire was guesswork. It was even conceivable that they watched everybody all the time. But at any rate they could plug in your wire whenever they wanted to. You had to live -- did live, from habit that became instinct -- in the assumption that every sound you made was overheard, and, except in darkness, every movement scrutinized. "
--George Orwell, 1984
Anyone see a parallel here? A black box that watches everything you do, with no way to know whether what you are doing is ThoughtCrime or not. Way to safeguard my privacy and rights. -
Re:It sounds like email
You forgot the killing detail: people resurrecting the dead without any independent source confirming this little detail. We're talking Hellenistic Near East here, an educated world with Greek-speaking scholars in every borough. And none of them cared to take note that there was this guy going around, and the blind saw, and the dead lived. Josephus, who could almost count the lice on the head of Cyrus, barely mentions the guy as Yet Another Religious Agitator.
I'm all for religious poetry or art (cf the amazing "Lazarus" by Khalil Gibran), but as far as my left hemisphere is concerned, the BS detector is reaching Himalayesque levels.
Oh, BTW, lest we be accused of Christian-bashing: did you know that apparently Muhammad is supposed to have cut the fscking MOON in half at some point ? No mention of this little trick in any contemporary account either - Persian, Chinese, Indian, Hellenistic (including Egyptian) and Western astronomers apparently went on a collective strike just that night.
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Re:Good.
Nonsense. Books are far less fragile than any of this digital crap. Drop a book, and nothing bad happens to it (unless you drop it into water). Drop a hard drive, and it's dead. All in all, it is more likely that digitally stored information will be lost forever than a book.
Ok, let's have a contest: which one of us makes a backup of this book faster? You use a physical copy of the book, I'll use the digital version.
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Re:Oh, it's not quite the same as PG.
I wonder if they'll be hosting anything in Canada, where the copyrights are only Life+50, instead of Life+70 (Europe) or worse (USA). Last I knew, someone was trying to start up PG Canada...
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Re:Oh, it's not quite the same as PG.
I wonder if they'll be hosting anything in Canada, where the copyrights are only Life+50, instead of Life+70 (Europe) or worse (USA). Last I knew, someone was trying to start up PG Canada...
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Re:Oh, it's not quite the same as PG.
I wonder if they'll be hosting anything in Canada, where the copyrights are only Life+50, instead of Life+70 (Europe) or worse (USA). Last I knew, someone was trying to start up PG Canada...
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Re:The letter worked - the Australians caved!
I just looked and easily found it on http://gutenberg.net.au/plusfifty.html.
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Re:The letter worked - the Australians caved!
I just looked and easily found it on http://gutenberg.net.au/plusfifty.html.
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Re:Long-deceased?
he threat is being made because Project Gutenberg of Australia (link not provided)...
Project Gutenberg of Australia
PGoA's libarary
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he threat is being made because Project Gutenberg of Australia (link not provided)...
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he threat is being made because Project Gutenberg of Australia (link not provided)...
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http://www.gutenberg.net.au/ is not under US jurisdiction? It's under australian jurisdiction.
You can see at the adress that you are in an other "country".
If the US are so eager to push their laws into other countries maybe they should join the International Crime Court [ICC] and not avoid it like some vampires the sunlight! I think the ROI at WIPO is better than at the ICC! -
Link not provided?
Get Gone With the Wind from Gutenberg Australia:
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Get Gone With the Wind from Gutenberg Australia:
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Works in Public Domain in Aus, but not US
Are here
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GWTW .nyud.net linkThe threat is being made because Project Gutenberg of Australia (link not provided) has the digital text version of GWTW on its server
You'll find the illegal contraband on this page.
And here are some nyud.net cachelinks to the ebook in question:
Margaret MITCHELL (1900-1949)
Please spread this work far and wide. Also remember that this is the same greedy estate that killed off a great derivative work entitled The Wind Done Gone . This sort of extreme Intellectual Property protectionism is counter-productive to the intent of copyright, and we must put a stop to it.
(posted anonymously to preempt karma-whoring whiners.)
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Re:No, you are both wrong (and deeply in denial)OK, I've looked at the Cornwell book and it in no way supports the claim that Hitler was a Christian. Cornwell only briefly mentions his attitudes to Christianity (as far as I can see, anyway), noting as I did that Hitler's public and private views were very different: in February 1933 he declared in the Reichstag that the churches would be integral to German life, the following month he was ranting in private about eradicating Christianity, and asserting that one couldn't be both a German and a christian (pp 105-6 of the 1999 Viking edition). Again, as I did, Cornwell stresses Hitler's desire to avoid a damaging conflict with the Catholic church. If you look at the end of chapter 3 of Mein Kampf , you'll see that this section blames the failure of the pan-German movement in Austria on its anti-Catholicism, from which Hitler draws the lesson that such a struggle pointlessly alienates potential supports. And it is from this section that many of those cherrypicked quotes come from.
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I guess Gutenberg is in trouble thenWhy are the French complaining about copies of Mein Kampf being auctioned on Yahoo, when it is available from mainstream on-line sources?
Surely the availability of "Mein Kampf" serves as a historical record of how screwed up Hitler really was, thus strengthening human rights? I would like to think that more people will be repelled by the hatred in "Mein Kampf" than will be attracted by it. This majority will then keep the minority in check.
Maybe the French being pissed off with Hitler's writings have more to do with revenge for the German army making them look like fools, when they walked around their Maginot Line, than any real concern for human rights?
Banning books is what one does when one is too apathetic to put the effort into refuting them.
It basically comes down to the French couldn't give a shit about human rights but want to look like they do.
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Project Gutenberg AustraliaAt PG Australia you can download texts that you can't get at the main Project Gutenberg because of U.S. copyright laws. Though they do have a nag warning:
Do not download or read these books online if you are in a country where copyright protections can extend more than 50 years past an author's death.
Among other things you can download Orwell's complete works and The Great Gatsby.
The University of Adeliade has a slicker version of the same texts.
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Project Gutenberg AustraliaAt PG Australia you can download texts that you can't get at the main Project Gutenberg because of U.S. copyright laws. Though they do have a nag warning:
Do not download or read these books online if you are in a country where copyright protections can extend more than 50 years past an author's death.
Among other things you can download Orwell's complete works and The Great Gatsby.
The University of Adeliade has a slicker version of the same texts.
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Project Gutenberg AustraliaAt PG Australia you can download texts that you can't get at the main Project Gutenberg because of U.S. copyright laws. Though they do have a nag warning:
Do not download or read these books online if you are in a country where copyright protections can extend more than 50 years past an author's death.
Among other things you can download Orwell's complete works and The Great Gatsby.
The University of Adeliade has a slicker version of the same texts.
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Buzz words
George Orwell said it best in his Politics and the English Language essay. You can find it on Project Guttenberg and other sites, here is the Australian link : http://gutenberg.net.au/ebooks02/0200151.txt
Personally, when I see such buzz-word-infested langiage, I imagine an avalanche sliding down the mountain valley, long stripped of vegetation to stop it. That is the purpose of such a language - to get you in a programmed channel of thought.
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Read 1984 online - in Australia.
Our australian friends can read Orwell's 1984 at Project Gutenberg of Australia.
Us poor sods in the USA have to wait, what, another 70 years or so? Who knows anymore. It's safer and easier to assume we can't do something than it is to assume that we can...
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Read 1984 online - in Australia.
Our australian friends can read Orwell's 1984 at Project Gutenberg of Australia.
Us poor sods in the USA have to wait, what, another 70 years or so? Who knows anymore. It's safer and easier to assume we can't do something than it is to assume that we can...
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Re:In other news...
Hell, its public domain (at least in Australia). YOu could erad it right here --> http://www.gutenberg.net.au/ebooks01/0100021.txt