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99%+ of the Internet *still* doesn't use IPv6.

Really? Could you cite where you get your numbers? May I point you to here to get better numbers? I can personally speak for five or six Beowulf clusters at different universities all sending data to researchers and customers via IPv6 links.
Seriously, just because no one on your block uses IPv6, does not mean that businesses, universities, government agencies, and telecos are not using IPv6 in large deployments. I am really confused at Slashdot's current trend that IPv6 deployments just aren't happening, when in fact I see companies switching to IPv6 deployments on a quarterly basis (disclaimer: yeah I know, it's not on some huge scale like daily basis, but some of the comments on Slashdot make it sound like the rate is 0.000%)
Finally, the biggest thing that I have seen slow deployments of IPv6 is simply lack of knowledge of the protocol. Most admins that I run into off-site usually have no working knowledge of IPv6, or have limited experience in IPv6 deployment and working in a dual-protocol environment.

I didn't make my point clear. *All* IPv6 traffic goes through SWIP... no matter what. Even ipv6.he.net goes through Amsterdam, and HE has three IPv6 peering sites in NYC. It seems to me that if BGP was setup properly it would use an HE router instead. So I'm going to make a WAG and say either:

1. They only peer with SWIP for IPv6
2. They didn't implement BGP properly

Either way, routing all NYC IPv6 traffic through a 6to4 router in Europe doesn't make sense.

Everyone ?:

Get BGP+IPv6+IPv4 for $5/Mbps!

http://www.he.net/

I've asked before if /. is truly geek enough to be the first major tech site to start testing IPv6 connectivity. It's time to ask again, so slashdot people, consider it asked, again.

Slashdot has good admins and programmers behind it. Certainly CmdrTaco seems to be constantly improving the slashcode base, and for those of us with low IDs we can see the improvements being rolled out on a regular basis (and it's all appreciated, despite occasional grumbling, thanks all).

What needs to happen is for one of their more competent OSTG network admins to obtain a tunnel from either Hurricane Electric or Sixxs. If they were to send an email to one of the people at either HE or Sixxs, there would probably be all kinds of technical assistance offered. Both tunnel providers have ubergeeks behind them, and a high profile site like /. would be a major win for them.

Putting the tunnel on one of their Cisco 3745 routers is about 9 lines in IOS for the routing and interface addressing, and a handful of ACLs to protect the router on the new addresses. Finish it off by providing a /64 subnet to the VLAN where one of their test or development webserver machines resides.

After that, the fun begins. They can put a static IPv6 address onto one of the test or development machines, make Apache bind to it, and they will be off and running. More like off and limping, because there will be work to do before they are ready to make any kind of announcements or even put the AAAA record into DNS. They'll have to make sure the local firewall also deals with IPv6 addresses, and a ton of other little sysadmin things to make sure badness doesn't sneak in on the new connectivity.

First off, CmdrTaco will probably find bugs or deficiencies in the slashcode and database structures when dealing with a new address family. There WILL be bugs found in perl network modules and in mySQL. Logging scripts may need to be updated. Statistical packages run against logs may choke or ignore longer addresses. Some functions may mangle colon delimited addresses. RSS feeds may not deal with square brackets around v6 addresses. Although there will be some things needing fixing, a surprising amount will just work with IPv6 with no modification.

When most of it seems to be functional, they can stick a separate AAAA record in their DNS for something like ipv6.slashdot.org and ask those of us with connectivity to test for a while. No need yet to add it to the main A record of slashdot.org. Just get it out for those of us with IPv6 to test.

Even if the network admins were to have the tunnel up by next week, I wouldn't expect to see even basic functionality before mid-summer, and if limited testing all went well to just put a AAAA record in parallel by the end of 2008. It takes a while, but it can be done.

When /. does have a working IPv6 code base, they can put pressure on their upstream provider to get native v6 connectivity, because a tunnel isn't going to hold up for too long.

All website upgrades are going to follow a path like what I've just described. The networking takes almost no effort, but the coding of website functionality will require some work, work that can be rolled into ongoing website maintenance.

I've been thinking about this post for the last few IPv6 stories on /., this seemed like a good time to point out the easy and hard parts for a dual-stack rollout. After this, we can only wait and hope...

the AC

Oh really? Linux has its own "let's create your experience". It's called Richard Stallman.

http://man.he.net/man1/su
"Why GNU su does not support the wheel group (by Richard Stallman)"

But if you want true authoritarian control with a "total branding experience"... look no further than the unmutable, unchangable Vista startup sound. "A spiritual side of the branding experience."!

http://scobleizer.com/2006/08/24/the-startup-sound-in-vista/

Forget all the uses in hospitals, connections to massive amps that can deafen people, radio broadcasts, libraries and every other sane place on the planet. Vista wanted to unmute your audio channels and play this sound every time it starts up.

They caved in, but although you can turn the sound on or off, you can't set it to a different audio file. This creates a strange dichotomy in the configuration dialog, where there's a big scrollable list of all the sounds your computer might make, and you can set or clear each one. Then there's a random checkbox labelled "Play the Vista startup sound".

Of course, Apple does the same, but they put the sound in the BIOS. You need to download a shim to mute your sound when you shut down, and unmute your sound when you start up.

I look forward to missing the next iteration of absurd statements of control applied onto users by software makers.

They have a very good reputation, match your specs, and very knowledgeable people answering the phones. They've always been on my shortlist whenever I've had to research hosts (but it's important to say: I've never used them for one reason or another, so my experience is limited). Worth a look, at least: http://he.net/

The first fully automatic BitTorrent server.

Hrm... Hurricane Electric (and probably many other hosting companies have been doing this for a while now.)

http://www.he.net/faq/bittorrent.html
http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=05/01/24/232622 8

I think the linked url should say that it's the first OpenSource fully automatic BitTorrent server ?

I've thought for a long time that IPv6 is going to be one area that the US will lag behind in networking. Cisco/Linksys will have support (Cisco routers all do now) as they compete in Asia, etc. where IPv6 is already in widespread use.

Can you name 2 ISPs in the US that you can get native IPv6 assignments from?

For some time, I had a 6-bone /48 from Sprintlink.

I know that Verio announced IPv6 service some time ago (2+ years) and that Hurricane Electric has had IPv6 service for a very long time (you can even use HE as a Tunnel Broker).

But how about small/medium businesses or home users that aren't going to pay for a dedicated T1 to one of these ISPs when a cablemodem/dsl is just as fast for downloading and works just fine? While I can tunnel to HE, I'd really like to have native IPv6 service.

Having said that, I haven't dinked with IPv6 in 2 years, and it's been 3 years since I was doing anything serious with it (hosting an IRC node and a MUD, both with native IPv6 access). I want to use it, but it's like the internet in '93 vs. '06...

I've thought for a long time that IPv6 is going to be one area that the US will lag behind in networking. Cisco/Linksys will have support (Cisco routers all do now) as they compete in Asia, etc. where IPv6 is already in widespread use.

Can you name 2 ISPs in the US that you can get native IPv6 assignments from?

For some time, I had a 6-bone /48 from Sprintlink.

I know that Verio announced IPv6 service some time ago (2+ years) and that Hurricane Electric has had IPv6 service for a very long time (you can even use HE as a Tunnel Broker).

But how about small/medium businesses or home users that aren't going to pay for a dedicated T1 to one of these ISPs when a cablemodem/dsl is just as fast for downloading and works just fine? While I can tunnel to HE, I'd really like to have native IPv6 service.

Having said that, I haven't dinked with IPv6 in 2 years, and it's been 3 years since I was doing anything serious with it (hosting an IRC node and a MUD, both with native IPv6 access). I want to use it, but it's like the internet in '93 vs. '06...

And another point, its not really question of how it'll work in the future.

That's how it works, NOW. Want your own routable /64 IPv6 network?

See here:
http://www.6bone.net/

and here:
http://ipv6tb.he.net/

You can tunnel IPv6 over IPv4, so you can do it right now, with your existing ISP service. Of course, there aren't a whole lot of destinations, yet. But that'll come with time.

Also, you won't remember 128-bit numbers. That's what DNS is for. I feel its a small price to pay for all the improvements in IPv6.

Doesn't matter. There are many organizations which will give you a /64 prefix, no problem.

Earthlink, for one: http://www.research.earthlink.net/ipv6/faq.html#4

Or Hurricane Electric:
http://ipv6tb.he.net/index.php?Example_Session=2f1 d74953d2143978bddd2e17b4e4c14

There are many more.

For those in Japan, I suggest checking out IPv6 Promotion Council, WIDE, Internet Initiative Japan and the BSD folks over at KAME.

In general, you probably also want to check the IPv6 Information Page, which lists many IPv6 websites, FTP sites and even IRC sites not already listed. (Almost all the above sites are also IPv6-reachable.) This totally trashes the idea that there is NOBODY on IPv6, which is good because it is a delusion which prevents people from using IPv6.

I've used numerous IPv6 tunnels and will shortly be getting native IPv6 from my provider at home, so I cry "bullshit" to those who say it can't be done. Setting up an IPv6 tunnel through a broker requires knowing your public IP address and your MAC address, then running a simple script to set up the IPv6-over-IPv4 connection. It's all of a couple of minutes work, maximum. I dare those who say IPv6 isn't being used to actually set up such a tunnel, use IPv6, THEN come back and tell the rest of us why what they just did was so impossible.

Hurricane Electric (was on /. a year or so ago). I used it for awhile, but I let the tunnel expire becuase I really wasn't using it. All of my NAT'd Windows machines were 98se, no IPv6 there. Now that they're all XP and I've enabled IPv6 on them, I just may get a new /64 from HE.

linky link link.

..is that I'm going to have to re-purchase all the networking equipment that companies are going to refuse to update. That being said, I'm already using IPv6 tunneled through Hurricane Electric and Freenet6. What's nice is the automatic DNS identification and the swimming turtle. Oh, and the price.

For what it's worth, Hurricane Electric allows customers to seed and track bittorrent files. I think this gives an indication that they are clueful, but I don't know much more about their policies.

Sign up for a webhosting account over at Hurricane Electric. They include free torrent hosting. According to their torrent FAQ, they'll eventually limit you to 25 torrents per account, but their servers sit on fat pipes and they won't charge you for the bandwidth used. :)

FYI: I don't work for them or anything; I'm just a very pleased customer.

Sign up for a webhosting account over at Hurricane Electric. They include free torrent hosting. According to their torrent FAQ, they'll eventually limit you to 25 torrents per account, but their servers sit on fat pipes and they won't charge you for the bandwidth used. :)

FYI: I don't work for them or anything; I'm just a very pleased customer.

"How does one go about making sure that your source code hasn't been "misappropriated" (read stolen) and placed into a closed source app?"

The short answer is: you can't be sure. In practice, however, people who write programs keep abreast of other software in their field (e.g. people who write an IM client quickly hear about other IM clients). Hwoever, it usually takes an alert user to notice suspicious similarities to existing software. It seems the first tell-tale sign is the directory structure. In almost every case posted to slashdot, it was noted that the directory structures were the same.

If you become suspicious, the next thing is to extract the strings utility. The first thing to look for is the error message strings, but if the executable is not stripped then you can see your function names and source file names.

Finally, there's the question of proving that they "stole" your source code, wher your legal claim will usually be that they violated your copyright. Most of the time, they know they are in the wrong and just contacting them is enough. However, not all offenders cooperate. Harald Welte has successfuly won a preliminary injunction in a German court against a company which violated the GPL when using code form the ipfilter/iptables firewall project.

You'll find the torrents and more here:

http://haikunews.org:6969

I had just begun working at Hurricane Electric when they had their big power failure. (It was the first day I was answering the phone on the help desk. Not a pleasant experience!) In that case the power loss was due to mistake by a technician servicing the backup power supply. Then there was the Internap failure, which seems to have been caused by a similar human error. Now a third provider has had some weird circuit breaker issues. That makes three major outages in less than a year. Either there's some evil conspiracy, or a lot of different companies are using the same bad procedures.

Sure, there are billions who can't afford to buy one of these. But somebody in their village or neighborhood will get a micro-loan and pay it back by selling access to their neighbors. This is already happening with other technology.

I think the new interfaces you are looking for are in the exciting (literally) new field of Cyberdildonics. Such wonderful new interfaces as the Robosuck, Vibro Mr. Jack, etc.

I've been a happy paying customer on their budget-rate plan since '99 or so, and I have to say that their service rocks. Completely apart from their excellent technical capabilities (does your service provider offer IPv6 hosting?), my account's gotten bumped up as they've increased their budget-sized offering, and their technical support is great. I've seen maybe 2 or 3 service interruptions in the whole period of time that I've hosted my site there, and they're great about letting you know what's actually going on ("yes, the server blew up, we're restoring from backup, it'll be online in 2-3 hours") if there's a serious problem.

Automagic bittorrent hosting is just the latest in a string of cool, useful features that they provide. (No, I'm not an employee, just a satisfied customer.)

I've been a happy paying customer on their budget-rate plan since '99 or so, and I have to say that their service rocks. Completely apart from their excellent technical capabilities (does your service provider offer IPv6 hosting?), my account's gotten bumped up as they've increased their budget-sized offering, and their technical support is great. I've seen maybe 2 or 3 service interruptions in the whole period of time that I've hosted my site there, and they're great about letting you know what's actually going on ("yes, the server blew up, we're restoring from backup, it'll be online in 2-3 hours") if there's a serious problem.

Automagic bittorrent hosting is just the latest in a string of cool, useful features that they provide. (No, I'm not an employee, just a satisfied customer.)

Just as a note, HE also offers rather high-speed IPv6 tunnels for free to non-customers. Here's a link.

Actually, HE does forbid spam, as do all the major hosting companies. The question is whether they're serious about this policy, or it's just nudge-nudge-wink-wink.

Also, I'd wonder about any colo facility located in a former bank vault. It sounds cool, but it doesn't strike me as a very cost-effective place to put a data center.

Bush as ChickenHawk ... visit the Wingmen For Bush Website

Mocking the Heroism of Kerry (Part 1) ... read the Kerry vs Benedict Arnold essay

Mocking the Heroism of Kerry (Part 2) ... view all five Swift Vet mini-documentaries

Turning on your own, like McCain, when they challenge the Master Plan ... read these two letters addressed to Senator McCain one and two written by veterans turning on McCain because McCain deserved and deserves it

WRONG

First, IANAL but I link to a lawyer's blog below.

Second I am a Navy Veteran (FTN & PAPERCLIP awards) whose skin crawled when Kerry gave his lifer "reporting for duty salute" ... something is not right with this dude ... thank you SwiftVets and POWS for Truth for confirming my gut feelings as a Navy Veteran about Kerry

BULLET POINTS: Kerry Lies -vs- SwiftVets Factual Data

why no Kerry libel/slander suit? Because Kerry has no grounds to sue - everything SwiftVets has said/published about Kerry is TRUE. Kerry is terrified of the discovery process that would occur during such a trial ... Kerry's full and complete military service record (except medical records) would be released to the general public.

Swift Vets & POW For Truth have ALL their Tar Baby ducks in a row ... they were and are ready to go to court.

There is a book Unfit For Command referencing:
(1) Kerry's own authorized biography
(2) limited official Navy Records
(3) the Congressional Record
(4) sworn affidavits signed by people who served with Kerry in Vietnam
... documenting Kerry's exaggerations, distortions, and lies regarding his Vietnam-era SwiftBoat naval service and his postwar activities with the enemy

There are now five (5) mini-documentaries, explaining the minutia of the various Kerry combat engagements. Animations, maps and eye-witness voice overs are utilized. These are very useful for explaining to non-Navy types the ins&outs of what was going on during various SwiftBoat naval engagements. Basically Kerry was/is a serial exagerater who "lied while good men died"

please note John Kerry NOT released his naval records to the general public via a signed SF-180. What was published on the Kerry website was a subset of his official records.

CONFIRMED BY WASHINGTON POST

Although Kerry campaign officials insist that they have published Kerry's full military records on their Web site (with the exception of medical records shown briefly to reporters earlier this year), they have not permitted independent access to his original Navy records. A Freedom of Information Act request by The Post for Kerry's records produced six pages of information. A spokesman for the Navy Personnel Command, Mike McClellan, said he was not authorized to release the full file, which consists of at least a hundred pages.From the Washington Post article Swift Boat Accounts Incomplete: Critics Fail to Disprove Kerry's Version of Vietnam War Episode by By Michael Dobbs, Washington Post Staff Writer, Sunday, August 22, 2004; Page A01

There is a photograph showing Kerry with 19 of his fellow Swift boat OICs (Officers In Charge) in Coastal Division 11. Only three of Kerry's 23 fellow OICs from Coastal Division 11 support Kerry ... why so few support Kerry ... maybe Kerry has a problem? Perhaps we should pay some attention to these OICs who do not support Kerry? Maybe they kno

WRONG

First, IANAL but I link to a lawyer's blog below.

Second I am a Navy Veteran (FTN & PAPERCLIP awards) whose skin crawled when Kerry gave his lifer "reporting for duty salute" ... something is not right with this dude ... thank you SwiftVets and POWS for Truth for confirming my gut feelings as a Navy Veteran about Kerry

BULLET POINTS: Kerry Lies -vs- SwiftVets Factual Data

why no Kerry libel/slander suit? Because Kerry has no grounds to sue - everything SwiftVets has said/published about Kerry is TRUE. Kerry is terrified of the discovery process that would occur during such a trial ... Kerry's full and complete military service record (except medical records) would be released to the general public.

Swift Vets & POW For Truth have ALL their Tar Baby ducks in a row ... they were and are ready to go to court.

There is a book Unfit For Command referencing:
(1) Kerry's own authorized biography
(2) limited official Navy Records
(3) the Congressional Record
(4) sworn affidavits signed by people who served with Kerry in Vietnam
... documenting Kerry's exaggerations, distortions, and lies regarding his Vietnam-era SwiftBoat naval service and his postwar activities with the enemy

There are now five (5) mini-documentaries, explaining the minutia of the various Kerry combat engagements. Animations, maps and eye-witness voice overs are utilized. These are very useful for explaining to non-Navy types the ins&outs of what was going on during various SwiftBoat naval engagements. Basically Kerry was/is a serial exagerater who "lied while good men died"

please note John Kerry NOT released his naval records to the general public via a signed SF-180. What was published on the Kerry website was a subset of his official records.

CONFIRMED BY WASHINGTON POST

Although Kerry campaign officials insist that they have published Kerry's full military records on their Web site (with the exception of medical records shown briefly to reporters earlier this year), they have not permitted independent access to his original Navy records. A Freedom of Information Act request by The Post for Kerry's records produced six pages of information. A spokesman for the Navy Personnel Command, Mike McClellan, said he was not authorized to release the full file, which consists of at least a hundred pages.From the Washington Post article Swift Boat Accounts Incomplete: Critics Fail to Disprove Kerry's Version of Vietnam War Episode by By Michael Dobbs, Washington Post Staff Writer, Sunday, August 22, 2004; Page A01

There is a photograph showing Kerry with 19 of his fellow Swift boat OICs (Officers In Charge) in Coastal Division 11. Only three of Kerry's 23 fellow OICs from Coastal Division 11 support Kerry ... why so few support Kerry ... maybe Kerry has a problem? Perhaps we should pay some attention to these OICs who do not support Kerry? Maybe they kno

The PowerLineBlog was chosen by Time Magazine as "Blog of the Year" perhaps in no small part due to PowerLine being a clearing house for Dan RaTHer's education about MS Word vs Typewriters

Perhaps like other less-frequent Slashdot readers, I am puzzled why anyone would want to $ub$cribe to $la$dot ;-);-);-) given that Slashdot continues to miss "BIG" news for nerds, stuff that matters stories like ... Mainstream Media vs Kid Internet and RaTHerGate

Right under the nose of the Slashdot Editors the really BIG story broke on the blogosphere back in August (SwiftVets) and many (e.g. Slashdot readers and the few $ub$criber$) were completely detached from the discussion of the long-term implications.

The more stereotypical SlashDot discussions at the time were about "BusHitler", raTHer (grin) than an informed discussion about the long-term impact of the internet on society.

From the Belmont Club blog ... The undercard in the Kerry vs Swiftvets bout is Mainstream Media vs Kid Internet, two distinctly different fights, but both over information. The first is really the struggle over the way Vietnam will be remembered by posterity; .... But the undercard holds a fascination of its own. The reigning champion, the Mainstream Media, has been forced against all odds to accept the challenge of an upstart over the coverage of the Swiftvets controversy. Joe Strupp at Editor and Publisher writes:

"There are too many places for people to get information," O'Shea said. " I don't think newspapers can be the gatekeepers anymore -- to say this is wrong and we will ignore it. Now we have to say this is wrong, and here is why."

Yet for good or ill, the genie is out of the bottle. Before the Gutenberg printing press men knew the contents of the Bible solely through the prism of the professional clergy, who could alone afford the expensively hand copied books and who exclusively interpreted it. But when technology made books widely available, men could read the sacred texts for themselves and form their own opinions. And the world was never the same again.

The goverment was already running a deficit when this bill came up. There was no compelling reason for Senator Kerry to hold up the funding authorization to support our soldiers in combat over a question of tax policy that could easily be raised in other settings. Senator Kerry could have just as easily played out his legislative fight to raise taxes as new legislation, or he could have tried to tack it on to just about any other piece of legislation. For Senator Kerry to use the support our soldiers needed to save lives and conduct operations as a bargaining chip in his fight to raise taxes is the very height of wrong headedness. ("Body armor for the troops? Great idea, but you are going to approve my tax increase or I will oppose it.") Frankly that is far more troubling than any "flip flop," real or imagined, that I have heard anyone accuse him of.

I thank you. Until you brought it up, I hadn't realized how despicable Senator Kerry's behavior was in that matter. Maybe he does deserve to have his picture in that museum.

Pay Raise, Promotion, Relocation Package, Sign-on Bonus, etc ... Furthermore, I claim the cost-of-living in Silicon Valley is LESS-EXPENSIVE than San Diego ... rent, gas, electricity, burritos, coffee, etc.

So far so good, I have survived every RIF, layoff, down-turn, etc thus far. If I do get 'whacked' then I am prepared for at least one-year of unemployment, psuedo-vacation, Pacific Crest Trail, renewal, etc

Having watched my father loose his job during the Carter Years, never regaining employment due to his age, being the first child in the family to receive college financial aid, I learned early on that if you want a job then YOU have to "hustle" ... YOU have to "work for it" ... YOU have to "prepare for it" ... YOU have to be ready financially/emotionally/physically to be unemployed also ... in otherwords YOU have to take charge of your own destiny.

Advice ... always be learning something new ... always save money (coins and dollar bills add up very very quickly) ... avoid debt ... avoid buying beer/wine/booze/tobacco/drugs (the money thing again although an occaisional high-end craft beer is OK ;-) ... be willing to relocate ... have reasonable salary/wage expectations - a high school diploma and reading "HTML 4 Dummies" does not entitle you to a six-figure salary ;-);-);-)

Overall, stop your whining and start learning.
--
"Seared in My Memory - Reclaiming stolen honor this election year."

Well for starters, you can set up 6to4 automatic tunnelling on your network, without having to bother your ISP at all.

Hurricane Electric and others offer tunnel broker services, which are static IPv4<->IPv6 tunnels. Note that most tunnel brokers refuse to forward IRC traffic.

Certainly some ISPs are starting to roll out IPv6 service, and if that's available in your area, take advantage of it. But if not, there are useful options (I recommend 6to4).

See also this site

Recall that 9-11 even created a seismic event

--

I believe the SwiftVets

Almost. I got a /64 from Hurricane Electric into my FreeBSD firewall/router. The problem is that I have three distinct subnets from that router:

1. My LAN
2. A DMZ
3. My WLAN

So, I'm stuck with using DHCP6 or static configuration to assign IPv6 addresses at hope. I wish you could universally say that IPv6 autoconfiguration works, but there are some relatively common circumstances that give it fits.

I strongly suggest you take a moment to read Salon, The New York Times, the Los Angeles Times, or The Washington Post.

Ah, yes. Salon is a great source of unbiased news. The others aren't nearly as biased as Salon, but they aren't exactly fair and impartial either. Incidentally, I've read most of the articles in the Washington Post and New York Times and their "debunking" of the Swift Boat Veterans claims isn't exactly convincing.

Indeed, Thurlow won a Bronze Star for his actions in rescuing a comrade under enemy fire.

Why don't you go to the source on this one and check out Thurlow's response. In all likelihood the language from his citation came directly from John Kerry's after action report since Kerry seems to be the only one that filed a report describing the incident.

Also, Kerry's citation claims that they were under constant small arms and automatic weapons fire for 5000 meters while they fled the scene. I'm sorry, but if that were true they would probably all be dead. Also, how did they rescue and repair the damaged PCF-3 boat if they were under constant fire?

-- Why won't he (kerry) release all his medical and other service records?

He has. The only records he has not released are his review papers.

Um, no he hasn't. Look for "Standard Form 180" and "FOIA"; the Washington Post only received six of about 100 pages. And "review papers" seem to be pretty important if we're trying to figure out if this guy deserves to be President.

Was Kerry in Cambodia? Almost certainly - Larry Thurlow, one of his chief accusers, was recorded telling Nixon that he (Thurlow) had been in Cambodia.

It was actually John O'Neill, not Thurlow, that was recorded speaking to Nixon. Also, O'Neill, unlike Kerry, does a pretty good job of clarifying the recording. Keep in mind that we don't get to hear the entire conversation from the recording.

Also, the statements you provided are both 1) nothing like what Kerry has said about Cambodia, and 2) don't address Kerry's lies about Cambodia. This isn't just a small, little claim. This is something that Kerry says was "seared -- seared -- in [him]." He has repeated this story many times for over 15 years at least, and now that it has been proven to be a total fabrication, he has been forced to change it.

First, you are stretching the term "served with him". You mean "were also in Vietnam during the war".

No, I mean served WITH him. Like on his boat, next to his boat during combat, and as his commanding officers. While not all of the Swift Boat Veterans served as closely with Kerry, I'm addressing and talking about those that did. These guys (the vocal ones of the SBVT) were eye witnesses to Kerry and their accounts should be heard.

Kerry's campaign has been forced to backtrack on his fraudulent Christmas in Cambodia story and they have now been forced to backtrack on his first Purple Heart, admitting that his wound may have been self-inflicted. From what I've seen the Swift Boat Vets have been solid in their claims and have forced Kerry to backtrack. This goes to show that there is at least some tr

I strongly suggest you take a moment to read Salon, The New York Times, the Los Angeles Times, or The Washington Post.

Ah, yes. Salon is a great source of unbiased news. The others aren't nearly as biased as Salon, but they aren't exactly fair and impartial either. Incidentally, I've read most of the articles in the Washington Post and New York Times and their "debunking" of the Swift Boat Veterans claims isn't exactly convincing.

Indeed, Thurlow won a Bronze Star for his actions in rescuing a comrade under enemy fire.

Why don't you go to the source on this one and check out Thurlow's response. In all likelihood the language from his citation came directly from John Kerry's after action report since Kerry seems to be the only one that filed a report describing the incident.

Also, Kerry's citation claims that they were under constant small arms and automatic weapons fire for 5000 meters while they fled the scene. I'm sorry, but if that were true they would probably all be dead. Also, how did they rescue and repair the damaged PCF-3 boat if they were under constant fire?

-- Why won't he (kerry) release all his medical and other service records?

He has. The only records he has not released are his review papers.

Um, no he hasn't. Look for "Standard Form 180" and "FOIA"; the Washington Post only received six of about 100 pages. And "review papers" seem to be pretty important if we're trying to figure out if this guy deserves to be President.

Was Kerry in Cambodia? Almost certainly - Larry Thurlow, one of his chief accusers, was recorded telling Nixon that he (Thurlow) had been in Cambodia.

It was actually John O'Neill, not Thurlow, that was recorded speaking to Nixon. Also, O'Neill, unlike Kerry, does a pretty good job of clarifying the recording. Keep in mind that we don't get to hear the entire conversation from the recording.

Also, the statements you provided are both 1) nothing like what Kerry has said about Cambodia, and 2) don't address Kerry's lies about Cambodia. This isn't just a small, little claim. This is something that Kerry says was "seared -- seared -- in [him]." He has repeated this story many times for over 15 years at least, and now that it has been proven to be a total fabrication, he has been forced to change it.

First, you are stretching the term "served with him". You mean "were also in Vietnam during the war".

No, I mean served WITH him. Like on his boat, next to his boat during combat, and as his commanding officers. While not all of the Swift Boat Veterans served as closely with Kerry, I'm addressing and talking about those that did. These guys (the vocal ones of the SBVT) were eye witnesses to Kerry and their accounts should be heard.

Kerry's campaign has been forced to backtrack on his fraudulent Christmas in Cambodia story and they have now been forced to backtrack on his first Purple Heart, admitting that his wound may have been self-inflicted. From what I've seen the Swift Boat Vets have been solid in their claims and have forced Kerry to backtrack. This goes to show that there is at least some tr

I strongly suggest you take a moment to read Salon, The New York Times, the Los Angeles Times, or The Washington Post.

Ah, yes. Salon is a great source of unbiased news. The others aren't nearly as biased as Salon, but they aren't exactly fair and impartial either. Incidentally, I've read most of the articles in the Washington Post and New York Times and their "debunking" of the Swift Boat Veterans claims isn't exactly convincing.

Indeed, Thurlow won a Bronze Star for his actions in rescuing a comrade under enemy fire.

Why don't you go to the source on this one and check out Thurlow's response. In all likelihood the language from his citation came directly from John Kerry's after action report since Kerry seems to be the only one that filed a report describing the incident.

Also, Kerry's citation claims that they were under constant small arms and automatic weapons fire for 5000 meters while they fled the scene. I'm sorry, but if that were true they would probably all be dead. Also, how did they rescue and repair the damaged PCF-3 boat if they were under constant fire?

-- Why won't he (kerry) release all his medical and other service records?

He has. The only records he has not released are his review papers.

Um, no he hasn't. Look for "Standard Form 180" and "FOIA"; the Washington Post only received six of about 100 pages. And "review papers" seem to be pretty important if we're trying to figure out if this guy deserves to be President.

Was Kerry in Cambodia? Almost certainly - Larry Thurlow, one of his chief accusers, was recorded telling Nixon that he (Thurlow) had been in Cambodia.

It was actually John O'Neill, not Thurlow, that was recorded speaking to Nixon. Also, O'Neill, unlike Kerry, does a pretty good job of clarifying the recording. Keep in mind that we don't get to hear the entire conversation from the recording.

Also, the statements you provided are both 1) nothing like what Kerry has said about Cambodia, and 2) don't address Kerry's lies about Cambodia. This isn't just a small, little claim. This is something that Kerry says was "seared -- seared -- in [him]." He has repeated this story many times for over 15 years at least, and now that it has been proven to be a total fabrication, he has been forced to change it.

First, you are stretching the term "served with him". You mean "were also in Vietnam during the war".

No, I mean served WITH him. Like on his boat, next to his boat during combat, and as his commanding officers. While not all of the Swift Boat Veterans served as closely with Kerry, I'm addressing and talking about those that did. These guys (the vocal ones of the SBVT) were eye witnesses to Kerry and their accounts should be heard.

Kerry's campaign has been forced to backtrack on his fraudulent Christmas in Cambodia story and they have now been forced to backtrack on his first Purple Heart, admitting that his wound may have been self-inflicted. From what I've seen the Swift Boat Vets have been solid in their claims and have forced Kerry to backtrack. This goes to show that there is at least some tr

I strongly suggest you take a moment to read Salon, The New York Times, the Los Angeles Times, or The Washington Post.

Ah, yes. Salon is a great source of unbiased news. The others aren't nearly as biased as Salon, but they aren't exactly fair and impartial either. Incidentally, I've read most of the articles in the Washington Post and New York Times and their "debunking" of the Swift Boat Veterans claims isn't exactly convincing.

Indeed, Thurlow won a Bronze Star for his actions in rescuing a comrade under enemy fire.

Why don't you go to the source on this one and check out Thurlow's response. In all likelihood the language from his citation came directly from John Kerry's after action report since Kerry seems to be the only one that filed a report describing the incident.

Also, Kerry's citation claims that they were under constant small arms and automatic weapons fire for 5000 meters while they fled the scene. I'm sorry, but if that were true they would probably all be dead. Also, how did they rescue and repair the damaged PCF-3 boat if they were under constant fire?

-- Why won't he (kerry) release all his medical and other service records?

He has. The only records he has not released are his review papers.

Um, no he hasn't. Look for "Standard Form 180" and "FOIA"; the Washington Post only received six of about 100 pages. And "review papers" seem to be pretty important if we're trying to figure out if this guy deserves to be President.

Was Kerry in Cambodia? Almost certainly - Larry Thurlow, one of his chief accusers, was recorded telling Nixon that he (Thurlow) had been in Cambodia.

It was actually John O'Neill, not Thurlow, that was recorded speaking to Nixon. Also, O'Neill, unlike Kerry, does a pretty good job of clarifying the recording. Keep in mind that we don't get to hear the entire conversation from the recording.

Also, the statements you provided are both 1) nothing like what Kerry has said about Cambodia, and 2) don't address Kerry's lies about Cambodia. This isn't just a small, little claim. This is something that Kerry says was "seared -- seared -- in [him]." He has repeated this story many times for over 15 years at least, and now that it has been proven to be a total fabrication, he has been forced to change it.

First, you are stretching the term "served with him". You mean "were also in Vietnam during the war".

No, I mean served WITH him. Like on his boat, next to his boat during combat, and as his commanding officers. While not all of the Swift Boat Veterans served as closely with Kerry, I'm addressing and talking about those that did. These guys (the vocal ones of the SBVT) were eye witnesses to Kerry and their accounts should be heard.

Kerry's campaign has been forced to backtrack on his fraudulent Christmas in Cambodia story and they have now been forced to backtrack on his first Purple Heart, admitting that his wound may have been self-inflicted. From what I've seen the Swift Boat Vets have been solid in their claims and have forced Kerry to backtrack. This goes to show that there is at least some tr

BTW #1, why do I want to subscribe to Slashdot (grin)??? This SETI potential-find was first posted on Matt Drudge's website very early this morning with a link to the NewScientist article that was "Drudged" vice Slashdotted almost immediately.

BTW #2, there are actually a bunch of candidate signals

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I believe the SwiftVets and also ...

Right under the nose of the Slashdot Editors the really BIG story is breaking on the blogosphere and many (e.g. Slashdot readers and the few subscribers) are completely detached from the discussion of the long-term implications

From the Belmont Club blog ... The undercard in the Kerry vs Swiftvets bout is Mainstream Media vs Kid Internet, two distinctly different fights, but both over information. The first is really the struggle over the way Vietnam will be remembered by posterity; .... But the undercard holds a fascination of its own. The reigning champion, the Mainstream Media, has been forced against all odds to accept the challenge of an upstart over the coverage of the Swiftvets controversy. Joe Strupp at Editor and Publisher writes:

"There are too many places for people to get information," O'Shea said. " I don't think newspapers can be the gatekeepers anymore -- to say this is wrong and we will ignore it. Now we have to say this is wrong, and here is why."

Yet for good or ill, the genie is out of the bottle. Before the Gutenberg printing press men knew the contents of the Bible solely through the prism of the professional clergy, who could alone afford the expensively hand copied books and who exclusively interpreted it. But when technology made books widely available, men could read the sacred texts for themselves and form their own opinions. And the world was never the same again.

Right under the nose of the Slashdot Editors the really BIG story is breaking on the blogosphere and many (e.g. Slashdot readers and the few subscribers) are completely detached from the discussion of the long-term implications

From the Belmont Club blog ... The undercard in the Kerry vs Swiftvets bout is Mainstream Media vs Kid Internet, two distinctly different fights, but both over information. The first is really the struggle over the way Vietnam will be remembered by posterity; .... But the undercard holds a fascination of its own. The reigning champion, the Mainstream Media, has been forced against all odds to accept the challenge of an upstart over the coverage of the Swiftvets controversy. Joe Strupp at Editor and Publisher writes:

"There are too many places for people to get information," O'Shea said. " I don't think newspapers can be the gatekeepers anymore -- to say this is wrong and we will ignore it. Now we have to say this is wrong, and here is why."

Yet for good or ill, the genie is out of the bottle. Before the Gutenberg printing press men knew the contents of the Bible solely through the prism of the professional clergy, who could alone afford the expensively hand copied books and who exclusively interpreted it. But when technology made books widely available, men could read the sacred texts for themselves and form their own opinions. And the world was never the same again.

The New Soldier

For some strange reason, Kerry does not really want us to read this book...

Oh well, information wants to be free and all that.

I can still do this until the INDUCE act gets passed.

These files are in PDF format:

Here is the Intro

Here is the Main Section

Here is the Epilogue

Here is the Pics

When moderation time comes around, we will see who supports "banning" books.

Doubtless, there will be whiny replies of "But you are infringing this poor mans copyright!! You deserve to be modded down!!"

Yawn.

This must be why John Kerry has taken the Swift Boat Vets for Truth to court for libel ... NOT ... instead John Kerry is threatening third-party TV Stations & bookstores instead. I guess the real threat to freedom is Kerry not some scarry "Patriot Act" that has harmed zero US Citizens and zero US Permanent Residents that you or anyone else can name

I'm confused about the Kerry in Cambodia thing ... I guess the SwiftVets were telling the turth about Kerry never being in Cambodia @ Christmas ... again you would think Kerry would be taking somebody to court for libel ... am I missing something???

Kerry lied to the US Senate ... Kerry lied to the People of Massachussettes ... Kerry lied to the American People and Kerry may have lied to both of his wives & associated children

"The real issue here is the speed and low cost of astroturf attack campaigns via the net,"

There would appear to be several issues per both the original /. article and the Belmont Club blog article ... perhaps the most interesting story is the power of the internet to overcome an entrenched thought police, group think, what have you ... Mainstream Media vs Kid Internet .

Convenient how you have forgotten about MoveOn and their infamous Hitler ad??? link #1 link #2

(GRIN) Please do not forget to throw George Soros' millions to MoveOn & Co. down the memory hole (/GRIN) while you focus only on the two $100K contributions by a Texas building contractor to the SwiftVets, will you rememember to mention the over 30,000 additional contributions of ~$64 (average) to the SwiftVets for a total of $2 million???

This must be why John Kerry has taken the Swift Boat Vets for Truth to court for libel ... NOT ... instead John Kerry is threatening third-party TV Stations & bookstores instead. I guess the real threat to freedom is Kerry not some scarry "Patriot Act" that has harmed zero US Citizens and zero US Permanent Residents that you or anyone else can name

I'm confused about the Kerry in Cambodia thing ... I guess the SwiftVets were telling the turth about Kerry never being in Cambodia @ Christmas ... again you would think Kerry would be taking somebody to court for libel ... am I missing something???

Kerry lied to the US Senate ... Kerry lied to the People of Massachussettes ... Kerry lied to the American People and Kerry may have lied to both of his wives & associated children

"The real issue here is the speed and low cost of astroturf attack campaigns via the net,"

There would appear to be several issues per both the original /. article and the Belmont Club blog article ... perhaps the most interesting story is the power of the internet to overcome an entrenched thought police, group think, what have you ... Mainstream Media vs Kid Internet .

Convenient how you have forgotten about MoveOn and their infamous Hitler ad??? link #1 link #2

(GRIN) Please do not forget to throw George Soros' millions to MoveOn & Co. down the memory hole (/GRIN) while you focus only on the two $100K contributions by a Texas building contractor to the SwiftVets, will you rememember to mention the over 30,000 additional contributions of ~$64 (average) to the SwiftVets for a total of $2 million???

This must be why John Kerry has taken the Swift Boat Vets for Truth to court for libel ... NOT ... instead John Kerry is threatening third-party TV Stations & bookstores instead. I guess the real threat to freedom is Kerry not some scarry "Patriot Act" that has harmed zero US Citizens and zero US Permanent Residents that you or anyone else can name

I'm confused about the Kerry in Cambodia thing ... I guess the SwiftVets were telling the turth about Kerry never being in Cambodia @ Christmas ... again you would think Kerry would be taking somebody to court for libel ... am I missing something???

Kerry lied to the US Senate ... Kerry lied to the People of Massachussettes ... Kerry lied to the American People and Kerry may have lied to both of his wives & associated children

"The real issue here is the speed and low cost of astroturf attack campaigns via the net,"

There would appear to be several issues per both the original /. article and the Belmont Club blog article ... perhaps the most interesting story is the power of the internet to overcome an entrenched thought police, group think, what have you ... Mainstream Media vs Kid Internet .

Convenient how you have forgotten about MoveOn and their infamous Hitler ad??? link #1 link #2

(GRIN) Please do not forget to throw George Soros' millions to MoveOn & Co. down the memory hole (/GRIN) while you focus only on the two $100K contributions by a Texas building contractor to the SwiftVets, will you rememember to mention the over 30,000 additional contributions of ~$64 (average) to the SwiftVets for a total of $2 million???

The essay (snippets below) also 'attempts' to utilize some Object Oriented lingo to describe what is going on (grin).

The undercard in the Kerry vs Swiftvets bout is Mainstream Media vs Kid Internet, two distinctly different fights, but both over information. The first is really the struggle over the way Vietnam will be remembered by posterity; ... But the undercard holds a fascination of its own. The reigning champion, the Mainstream Media, has been forced against all odds to accept the challenge of an [Internet] upstart over the coverage of the Swiftvets controversy.

"There are too many places for people to get information," O'Shea said. "I don't think newspapers can be the gatekeepers anymore -- to say this is wrong and we will ignore it. Now we have to say this is wrong, and here is why." [in other words the USA/European Mainstream Media has a problem with the internet no longer allowing them to control what geeks read & think]

The article is a candid and unconscious description of the actual nature of news. It is not just raw information or pixels pushed onto a screen, but a system of semantic entities: an series of information objects, containing properties and methods containing embedded logic, set loose on society. The power of the Mainstream Media lay in the fact that they controlled the generation of news objects; how they arose, what they did, how they ran their course. They were the news object foundry; able to make them "type safe"; define what they could do, and what they could not. And that power was enormous.

So when the Swiftvets story shouldered its way into the public consciousness despite the best efforts of the "gatekeepers" to consign it to oblivion, it posed an existential challenge to the news foundries. For where one could come, more would follow. The Mainstream Media responded to accusations by Swiftvets that Kerry had misrepresented his combat record in Vietnam by creating their own alternative news object, whose methods were restricted to OutrageAgainstBush( ) and SympathyForKerry( ), with read only properties Responsible and Respectable. They could no longer block the data, but they could still transform it.

Yet for good or ill, the genie is out of the bottle. Before the Gutenberg printing press men knew the contents of the Bible solely through the prism of the professional clergy, who could alone afford the expensively hand copied books and who exclusively interpreted it. But when technology made books widely available, men could read the sacred texts for themselves and form their own opinions. And the world was never the same again.

Consider the veteran's group that recently ran those TV ads flat-out accuse Kerry of lying about his service in Nam.

Yes, please do consider this vet group, because one of their charges has been shown to be true.

The chain noise you hear is Kerry's people furiously trying to backpedal from his many blatant statements concerning this fact.

Fact: Kerry claimed several times to have been in cambodia on christmas delivering a CIA agent, even having a hat that he claimed was given to him.

Fact: The claim is complete, and utter, bullshit. Follow the link i sent you and search for 'christmas in cambodia' and kerry for more.

Much of the press is trying to stonewall it, but as you've seen, the dam is starting to crack.

Here's a short version of Kerry in Vietnam: He spent four months and a couple weeks in vietnam. In that time, he was awarded three purple hearts, for injuries that never cost him a day of service. Using a little-known rule, he applied for transfer out after the third purple heart, and was the only swift boat crewmember who did so the entire war.

Shortly after leaving the Navy, he starts accusing the soldiers & sailors in vietnam of all variety of war crimes in the Winter soldier 'investigation'

In 1979, he first claimed to have spent christmas of 1968 illegally in cambodia. This claim was repeated in 1986, and in 2003 even adds the now-infamous magic hat to the story. It was probably repeated a few times in between.

Now the Kerry campaign is claiming that this memory that was 'seared, seared in me' (Kerry) was mistaken, and he was near cambodia.

Nothing of Kerry's statements about being in or near Cambodia have made any sense from a geographical, tactical, or eye witness point of view. He even screws up the timeline with regards to president Nixon making statements about our people in Cambodia before Nixon was even president.

The entire tale he's always been telling about Cambodia has always been weird, and a little too reminiscent of Apocolypse Now. Perhaps Kerry's seared memory came from watching the movie too many times.

One of the swiftvet's charges is provably true. This makes the others worth at least a serious review.

And, and to the responders who have said GOP groups have been funding the ad- no shit, do you expect George Soros and moveon.org to pay for it?

What the swiftvets are doing could hardly be considered illegal, and unethical would be a faaaarr stretch. Kerry slandered them in the seventies. He's pretending to have their support now, and claims his pitiful four months in vietnam 30 years ago qualify him for president, while glossing over his decades in the senate. Kerry basically asked for this. Now he's got it.