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Blog reading up 58% in U.S.

mshiltonj writes "Americans are becoming avid blog readers, with 32 million getting hooked in 2004, according to new research, showing that blog readership has shot up by 58% in the last year."

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  1. Why the increase? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    blog readership has shot up by 58% in the last year.

    And 90% of that is due to Slashdot posting Roland Piquepaille Blog Spam "Articles"!

    1. Re:Why the increase? by Roland+Piquepaille · · Score: 2, Funny

      I couldn't agree more!

    2. Re:Why the increase? by tambo · · Score: 5, Insightful
      58%? That's it? I expected more like a 200% increase, this being "the year of the blog" and all. I think this quote from the article is more insightful: "Despite the explosive growth, more than 60% of online Americans have still never heard of blogs, the survey found."

      Don't get me wrong - I read about six blogs a day, and I truly believe they're the future portal of the Internet. Without blogs, the WWW is mostly comprised of organization websites (companies and universities being the top two), and frankly, that's hideously boring. Blogs are the spiritual successor to Netscape's "What's Cool?" feature, and due to the huge number of blogs, you can probably find two dozen that specifically cater to your interests.

      However, I believe that blogs run the risk of being a flash in the pan - of being a trend that seemed really promising, but just never achieved cultural critical mass. I posit that many of these new readers are people who latched onto the buzzword and wanted to jump on the zeitgeist bandwagon. When the next shiny thing comes along in twenty minutes, they'll hop off and scurry away. Basically, I'm wondering if many of those new readers will vanish in 2005, and may take with them some of the momentum that drives the community. Remember that many predicted in 1998 that VRML would revolutionize the Internet.

      As I see it, greater cultural (mainstream) adoption of blogs is hampered by two factors:

      • Absence of a central, well-known blog directory. It's difficult to find new blogs that cater to your interests. It's like an Internet without search engines - in 1995, finding new websites involved stumbling upon them via links from other sites. Imagine if we didn't have telephone books, and if ordering pizza usually involved asking your friends for the number of some good pizza places. That's pretty low-yield, but I feel that's how most need-a-new-blog scavenging missions go. Quite simply, this inefficiency loses readers.

        Now, yes, I am aware of sites like Blogwise, which offers some rudimentary blog indexes. My point is that they're not central pillars of the blog community - they're not well-known, indispensible resources. They're not the Google of the blog community. That niche is currently unfilled.

      • An overriding interest in new blog technologies that seem to appeal mostly to other bloggers. Seriously, guys. RSS is a good first-draft effort, but it feels extremly dinky and lightweight. I don't understand why bloggers are so enthralled with the concept of immediately receiving the first 50 characters of an update to another blog. For most of us, this is more trouble than it's worth. We'd love to have a service that grabbed entire articles and posts for offline reading, but no such mechanism exists. Similarly, all of the momentum around trackback/pingback is kind of baffling.

        I don't really mean to disparage the general interest in these new technologies. But there seems to be a disproportionate amount of attention paid to them, compared with their practical value, and that momentum could be redirected toward technologies that more of us find genuinely useful. :shrug:

      These comments are meant strictly as constructive criticism. For a few years, the Internet seemed like it was mostly an electronic storefront for the corporate world, which is pathetic. Blogs are the best hope for bringing life back to the net, and have admirably succeeded. But I want to see this trend continue, not fade away into obscurity.

      - David Stein

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    3. Re:Why the increase? by Kick+the+Donkey · · Score: 1
      I really don't think the problem is with RSS itself, but with most RSS readers. They suck. And they are not very well integrated with the browsers. Even Firefox's live bookmark feature isn't very good (IMHO). Great, I can see the titles. Woop-te-do!

      RSS, Atom, and XML-RPC are very interesting technologies for other, more far reaching applications, rather than just syndication.

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    4. Re:Why the increase? by Evil_Timmy · · Score: 1

      Personally, I love Bloglines, which comes with a nifty Firefox extension to let you know when your blogs (and any RSS feeds) have been updated. I think the website-with-client method is one of the best options; you can still get quick notification of new stuff, but it reduces the bandwidth taken by the feed (the server gets it once and then sends it on to however-many-thousand-people are subscribed; 21,865 subscribers in /.'s case). It's also got a decent recommendation system, and overall it makes checking up on a broad variety of news sites much, much easier.

    5. Re:Why the increase? by Austerity+Empowers · · Score: 1

      I don't see blogs as being significant scientifically, culturally or practically. At best a few blogs offer genuinely useful and accurate data, that is more helpful than university web pages. At worst they're a pseudo-political highly biased rant against "all them" that the author disagrees with.

      More commonly they are about what's happening on some lame teeny bop TV show or worse, trying to live some lame teeny bop TV show life and documenting it.

      I've never found a single good reason to read a blog. If, like many fads, they disappear tomorrow I doubt anyone will notice. In the mean time I'm tired of seeing "bloggers this" and "bloggers that" on slashdot. The only good thing blogging has done for the internet is give consumers a good excuse for running servers at home, a practise that is also increasingly less common.

    6. Re:Why the increase? by RustyTaco · · Score: 1
      We'd love to have a service that grabbed entire articles and posts for offline reading, but no such mechanism exists.
      What is this "offline" you speak of?

      - RustyTaco
    7. Re:Why the increase? by tambo · · Score: 1
      I really don't think the problem is with RSS itself, but with most RSS readers. They suck. And they are not very well integrated with the browsers. Even Firefox's live bookmark feature isn't very good (IMHO). Great, I can see the titles. Woop-te-do!

      Remember ICQ? ICQ ran like Windows 3.1 junkware - ads, dinky icons, reliability that can only be described as squidgy. Yet people still used it, in droves, until AOL came out with a client more suited to this decade. Ditto Netscape, by the way - I think Netscape 2.x used to crash on one out of every three webpages.

      So it's not the quality of the application (and I agree with you that most RSS newsreaders are pretty clumsy and awful.) The primary determinant of success is simply: How useful is it?

      RSS has the potential to be useful. I should be able to type in my top twelve news/blog sites, and have an aggregator constantly fetch new articles from them. My computer should always have the full text of top articles, bookmarkable and archivable, site/keyword/topic searchable, automatically categorized according to some standard hierarchy (across sites, even.) I'd love my computer to be a capable archive of every interesting thing I've read.

      RSS does nothing like this. It's primitive and crippled. If I see an interesting headline, I don't want to have to go to another site to read it, or bookmark it so I can read it when I have a connection again. I just want to read the damn article. RSS doesn't let me, so I don't use RSS.

      Few things are more disappointing than failed potential. RSS is just groundwork for the more capable technology that will likely follow it.

      - David Stein

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      Computer over. Virus = very yes.
    8. Re:Why the increase? by maxpublic · · Score: 1

      Given that most blogs are nothing more than some idiot indulging in mental masturbation over topics he doesn't know the first damned thing about, I really don't see a problem here.

      Max

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    9. Re:Why the increase? by Isofarro · · Score: 1
      RSS is a good first-draft effort, but it feels extremly dinky and lightweight. I don't understand why bloggers are so enthralled with the concept of immediately receiving the first 50 characters of an update to another blog. For most of us, this is more trouble than it's worth. We'd love to have a service that grabbed entire articles and posts for offline reading, but no such mechanism exists.

      RSS allows a full content feed. It certainly isn't limited to the first 50 characters. I read about 100 feeds, most of them are full text so I can read them offline.

      I guess the six blogs you read have chosen to only show summaries in their RSS feed. Ask them to offer you the full text content, or unsubscribe and find a different 6 blogs that do offer full feeds. Vote with your feet / unsubscribe button.

    10. Re:Why the increase? by PabloJones · · Score: 1

      Yeah, I agree with you wholeheartedly.

      I don't read blogs either, and the ones I have seemed to be full of rumors and general misinformation. I'd rather get my news from established news sources. Even if the regular news is skewed, it's never as bad as almost all of the blogs out there.

      And I find that there are plenty of things to read online that aren't part of a major university or news corporation that are still interesting, and are not drivel written in some parents' basement.

  2. Blogs... by ReeprFlame · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Figures that most are teens too, like me. They are obsessed with each others lives. Oh well, what can I say? I guess it is interesting and others are technical and informative!

    1. Re:Blogs... by Reignking · · Score: 1

      So that's who is reading them. Good, I had felt out of the loop, but now I know that 30-year-olds aren't supposed to be reading them.

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    2. Re:Blogs... by krgallagher · · Score: 2, Informative
      " Figures that most are teens too, like me. "

      Actually according to the article "Blog creators were likely to be young, well-educated, net-savvy males with good incomes and college educations, the survey found." There are not that many teens out there that have "good incomes and college educations."

      Interestingly the survey also found that while most blogs are started by men, women are more likely to continue their blogging long term.

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    3. Re:Blogs... by idiotfromia · · Score: 1

      Others are saying that women are outpacing men at blogging. It started as a male geek thing, but has lost that stigma and is considered more of a diary/gossip tool.

    4. Re:Blogs... by maxpublic · · Score: 1

      Blog creators were likely to be young, well-educated, net-savvy males with good incomes and college educations, the survey found.

      That should read:

      "Blog creators were likely to be young, well-educated, net-savvy males with good incomes and college educations, who aren't getting laid and aren't likely to get laid any time in the near future."

      Max

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    5. Re:Blogs... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      just cause you cant get laid doesnt mean it's true for everyone else.

  3. Most Important Quote in Article by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    "Despite the explosive growth, more than 60% of online Americans have still never heard of blogs, the survey found."

    1. Re:Most Important Quote in Article by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      So? More than 60% of online Americans have never heard of an IP address, but I bet they still use them.

      I would of thought that a vast majority of sites people visit would be blogs of some form.

    2. Re:Most Important Quote in Article by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I wouldn't of thought have that.

    3. Re:Most Important Quote in Article by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's why I'm here, AC, that's why I'm here.

    4. Re:Most Important Quote in Article by Lodragandraoidh · · Score: 1

      60% of online Americans are probably AOL customers...

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  4. But of course by samael · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Blogs, journals, etc. have replaced mailing lists for my friends (aged 26-35) as the way of keeping up to date with each other and arranging social events. Sure, we still email for 1-1 conversation, but for broadcast blogs just seem more efficient.

    1. Re:But of course by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I mainly use irc with some friends to keep up to date, or phone. I find that more efficient...

    2. Re:But of course by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Kind of like a .plan file?

    3. Re:But of course by NardofDoom · · Score: 2, Interesting

      My wife's family has been reading my blog for the past year. My family is just getting into it. This, combined with our Gallery, lets me communicate with my family while satisfying my geek urges to do it electronically.

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      You have two hands and one brain, so always code twice as much as you think!
    4. Re:But of course by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      no thanks.

      email is better as i have one place to view and respond to those threads instead of going from site to site to site.

      most hardware forums that moved from a mailing list to web based forums saw community participation drop by at least 50% or more.

      I know I no longer help with the mailing lists that think going to a web interface is better. i simply join the mailing list that others on the list that are not interested in going to 50 different websites to help people with tech support or other hardware hacks.

      the point of having community participation is making it easy, and responding to an email is as easy as it gets.

    5. Re:But of course by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sure, that is cool, until strangers starts insisting on joining in you r nights out. "But I got invited on the internets!"

    6. Re:But of course by singpolyma · · Score: 1

      Sure, but that's what RSS is for. So you don't have to go to all the different sites, just open your reader.

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    7. Re:But of course by isopossu · · Score: 1

      Too much popularity is a common problem among /. readers. Watch out for those stalking teenage girls.

    8. Re:But of course by samael · · Score: 1

      Absolutely. And as my blog is on livejournal, which is _also_ an RSS reader, I get most of my news via http://andrewducker.livejournal.com/friends/news

    9. Re:But of course by samael · · Score: 1

      Exactly!

      Only with more functionality.

  5. JAUS by A+beautiful+mind · · Score: 1

    Just another useless survey - imo. And the facts are telling that 60% still didn't hear about blogs.

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  6. ObSmirnoff Joke by struct24 · · Score: 1, Redundant

    In Soviet Russia, blog reads YOU!

    1. Re:ObSmirnoff Joke by sgant · · Score: 1

      In Korea, only old people read Blogs...

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  7. Reading? by Vo0k · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I wonder what's the case about -writing- blogs and how many blogs out there aren't read even once.

    Anyway, blogs definitely -should- have some kind of mark to help filter them off from Google. Sometimes they badly ruin search results.

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    1. Re:Reading? by Almond+Paste · · Score: 4, Funny

      Sometimes they badly ruin search results.

      To boldly split the infinitive.

    2. Re:Reading? by SteveX · · Score: 1
      I'm trying to help with the "blogs that nobody reads" situation with my site, The Long Tail

      Unfortunately my data provider (http://ping.blo.gs), who has streaming interface to blog updates (telnet ping.blo.gs 9999) isn't providing any data at the moment so the updates are a little out of date..

    3. Re:Reading? by Daniel+Dvorkin · · Score: 5, Informative

      1. Splitting the infinitive is fine. It's always been fine; the rule against it is a bit of Latin grammar arbitrarily and pointlessly wedged into English (a Germanic language) and modern language authorities are starting to recognize how absurd this is.

      2. GP poster didn't split the infinitive; splitting the infinitive is, by definition, inserting another word after the "to" in a verb of the form "to ___." Thus, "to boldly go" is a split infinitive, although a perfectly correct one; "they badly ruin" is not, and is correct by the standards of the most pedantic Latinophile.

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    4. Re:Reading? by jb.hl.com · · Score: 1

      I don't know, when I've been searching for solutions to technical problems, sometimes blogs have just the information I need.

      (This coming from someone who has a blog and doesn't actually update it because his life is so filled with fun and sex that he doeesn't have time to write about it :)

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    5. Re:Reading? by SteveX · · Score: 1

      Looks like the streaming data is back; the site is a lot more interesting now that new items are coming in.

    6. Re:Reading? by znu · · Score: 1

      I find all sorts of useful stuff in blogs, particularly tech blogs. They should probably be searched separately from other types of sites, but that's true for a lot of things. Ever try to search for a real review of something, and just get back hundreds of useless 'buyer review' pages from shopping sites?

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  8. What? It was supposed to be down? by hazah · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Interesting peice of information, but rather redundant. All this says is that people in the US are just that... people. Internet use is up, why is everyone always so surprized?

  9. Careful with those numbers :-) by ewanrg · · Score: 3, Informative
    Note that the readership has shot up by 58% not up to 58%. Otherwise you'll get confused later in the article where it states that 62% of Internet Users aren't sure what a blog is.

    Although part of that is due to the fact that some blogs don't appear to be blogs. You can use blog software to create sites that handle news and multiple users more easily without proclaiming themselves to be blogs.

    Oh, and if you want to see what my blog looks like, just check here.

    My .02 worth...

    1. Re:Careful with those numbers :-) by SunPin · · Score: 1
      Note that the readership has shot up by 58% not up to 58%.


      Yes, up 58% from an aggregate population of 23.

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    2. Re:Careful with those numbers :-) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      In your blog, your spelling is so good you could be a /. editor!

  10. 58% of zero by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

    is still zero.

  11. Personality. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

    That's because America is a cult of personality. People love following other people and drooling all over them and knowing everything they do, including when they take a shit or all of the drama about how their doctor is switching them from xanax to klonopin and how they got wasted the night before with some dude they met at a club that had some percosets to share. Honestly, who cares?

    And nothing has changed, except that we have renamed "home pages" to "blogs". There is no difference between a blog and a person's home page, except that one usually is now automated (as far as having an interface to use for adding content) and the other is manually done by editing HTML files.

    This is like calling murder and rape a "misdemeanor" and claiming that "felonies are down!". No, they aren't. You're just calling them something else now.

    Personally, I dont' read ANY BLOGS, unless you count Slashdot. But slashdot is hardly a "blog". When friends or acquaintances offer me their livejournal (or other blog) urls, I tell them "I"m sorry, but I don't read livejournals". It's nothing intended as offense toward them. I just don't waste my time reading things that I don't care about .

    The thing that offense ME about blogs is that you should take the time to have a conversation with ME and tell ME about your life and what's up. Rather than plastering every daily event and thought to your blog that all of your real life and online buddies read hungrily like little cult followers, take the time to have a conversation with me one on one and tell me things that you want to share with me. Blogs are distant, impersonal and filled with crap. Filter out the crap and TALK WITH ME.

    1. Re:Personality. by Lonesome+Squash · · Score: 5, Informative
      But because of their automation, blogs are different from typical home pages. Blogs (as their name suggests) are dynamic, ongoing threads, whereas home pages tended to be static. And it seems to me that the great majority of blogs are based on politics or (possibly highly specialized) current events. So although they will certainly reflect their author's viewpoint, they are not about their authors.

      We've gone from "My page about me!" to "My page about what I think about politics!" to "My political blog!" and the change is one of kind, as well as one of degree.

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    2. Re:Personality. by Cat_Byte · · Score: 1
      That's because America is a cult of personality. People love following other people and drooling all over them and knowing everything they do

      Thats how I think of England with the papparazi. Its not just Americans. Unfortunately its all over the world and we'll eventually have nothing left for entertainment except tabloids and reality shows.....ugh.

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    3. Re:Personality. by Golias · · Score: 4, Funny

      Is saying "I don't read any blogs" going to become the new "I don't even own a TV"?

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      Information wants to be anthropomorphized.

    4. Re:Personality. by NardofDoom · · Score: 2, Insightful
      What if your family is scattered all over the country? A blog is a cheap (read: free) way to publish events in your life and keep them in the know. It's better than email, because they don't need to be at their computer to read it, and you don't have to worry about making sure you have the right email address.

      Talking is great for people you see every day, but for long-distance friends and relatives, a blog is the perfect way to go.

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    5. Re:Personality. by NardofDoom · · Score: 1
      Blogs are entertaining. The highest rated blogs read like good news stories. For example, I love to read RiverBend's blog because she is a good writer who gets her point across.

      Blogs are autobiographies in progress. Most people's lives are dull and boring, but a few are interesting enough to become best sellers.

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      You have two hands and one brain, so always code twice as much as you think!
    6. Re:Personality. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Actually, not only do I refuse to read anyone's blog, but I do not watch TV either. I have a nice big TV. I just don't watch it. Haven't for a couple of years. Nothing good on network TV and not worth spending $100 for cable just to see the first season of good shows that are canceled and replaced with cheaper-to-produce crap.

      I haven't really missed it. I've been more productive without television.

    7. Re:Personality. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's the excuse most people use. "I hate blogs, I just have mine becuase it's easy to stay in touch with people".

      For people like yourself for whom that truly does apply though, that's fine. Password it so that only family and friends can access it. Great. But most people don't do that. Most people want the whole world to be fascinated by their klonopin gobbling, partying, drama-filled love lifes and boring thoughts on things and just claim that it's "not like that" when confronted.

    8. Re:Personality. by cowscows · · Score: 1

      The other big change is that a lot of blogs are written by non-techies, as the automation of all the geeky stuff has allowed just about anyone to publish easily. Sure, anyone could get a geocities website before, but that doesn't mean they could throw together a useable website.

      And now that these people don't have to spend time figuring out webpages, they can spend their time figuring out politics, or video games, or popcorn, or whatever their blog was about.

      I remember teaching myself HTML back in the day, and I just wrote about myself because after all the futzing with making my website look decent, I didn't feel like doing anything more intelligent than talking about myself.

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    9. Re:Personality. by AbbyNormal · · Score: 1

      That's a rather bitter attitude towards life. So basically, you could careless what other's are thinking about and only want them to talk to you, when its convient for you?

      What about sick / shut-ins / those that cannot talk? Any relatives that live across the country/world?

      "Filter out the crap and TALK WITH ME."

      With that attitude, why would anyone?

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    10. Re:Personality. by XMyth · · Score: 1

      What the hell happened to that link? Are you missing some keys?

    11. Re:Personality. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      So instead of politely accepting the URL and just not reading it you feel the need to inform them of your disdain for their activities. I bet you have a lot of friends.

    12. Re:Personality. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Whatever you do, don't write about this in a web-log!

    13. Re:Personality. by JawzX · · Score: 1

      I agree. Blogs are sometimes interesting and somtimes informative, but I really don't see the point in reading what is esentialy someone else's diary. What ever happened to people WANTING privacy?
      And the point about homepages becoming blogs is well made.

    14. Re:Personality. by singpolyma · · Score: 1

      Talk? Sure, but what if your friends are scattered around the world? IM? Sure, but blogs are just plain fun. Maybe you have a tight job, maybe you have a lot to do, but for those of us who have time for a social life we have time for some fun too. In a personal blog its not about the information, it's about the author. It's fun to read just because of who wrote it. Then there are the discussions on blogs, you can get into awesome and germane discussions about why Bush won and why he didn't and whatever else. As for official news-type blogs, these are worth it because they give you the information you want when you want it. You don't have to wait for it to come on TV or the radio or w/e, it's just there.

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    15. Re:Personality. by NardofDoom · · Score: 1

      WTF? I guess it didn't work. The link is http://riverbendblog.blogspot.com

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    16. Re:Personality. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      Personally, I dont' read ANY BLOGS, unless you count Slashdot. But slashdot is hardly a "blog". When friends or acquaintances offer me their livejournal (or other blog) urls, I tell them "I"m sorry, but I don't read livejournals". It's nothing intended as offense toward them. I just don't waste my time reading things that I don't care about.


      Duh. The nature of blogs, personal sites, etc. is that they can be about anything. Therefore you have no idea whether or not someone's blog will or will not contain anything that you might be interested in. Don't be such a close-minded, judgmental moron.

      Giving your supposed friends a blanket "I don't read LiveJournals" response just shows them how full of yourself you are. You don't know everything, you aren't the smartest person in the world, and other people's opinions count for something too.
    17. Re:Personality. by dswensen · · Score: 1

      LOL. Someone call The Onion.

      the Onion
      Volume 39 Issue 24
      25 June 2003

      Area Man Constantly Mentioning He Doesn't Read Blogs

      CHAPEL HILL, NCArea resident Jonathan Green does not read blogs, a fact he repeatedly points out to friends, family, and coworkers, as well as to his mailman, neighborhood convenience-store clerks, and the man who cleans the hallways in his apartment building.

      "I, personally, would rather spend my time doing something useful than read blogs," Green told a random woman Monday at the Suds 'N' Duds Laundromat, noticing the establishment's Packard Bell. "I don't even own one."

      According to Melinda Elkins, a coworker of Green's at The Frame Job, a Chapel Hill picture-frame shop, Green steers the conversation toward blogs whenever possible, just so he can mention not reading any.

      "A few days ago, [store manager] Annette [Haig] was saying her new contacts were bothering her," Elkins said. "The second she said that, I knew Jonathan would pounce. He was like, 'I didn't know you had contacts, Annette. Are your eyes bad? That's a shame. I'm really lucky to have almost perfect vision. I need reading glasses, but that's it. I'm guessing it's because I don't read blogs."

      According to Elkins, "renamed home pages" is Green's favorite derogatory term for blogs.

      "He uses that one a lot," she said. "But he's got other ones, too, like 'livejournals' and 'murder and rape are misdemeanors.'"

      Elkins said Green always makes sure to read Slashdot and Metafilter, "just so he can point out all the Internet personalities he's never heard of."

      "Last week, in one of the magazines, there was a picture of Jenni from JenniCam," Elkins said, "and Jonathan announced, 'I have absolutely no idea who this woman is. Jenni who? Am I supposed to have heard of her? I'm sorry, but I haven't.'"

      Tony Gerela, who lives in the apartment directly below Green's and occasionally chats with the 37-year-old by the mailboxes, is well aware of his neighbor's disdain for blogs.

      "About a week after I met him, we were talking, and I made some kind of BoingBoing reference," Gerela said. "He asked me what I was talking about, and when I told him it was from a blog, he just went off, saying he could only read for about two minutes before having to shut it off because it insulted his intelligence so terribly."

      Added Gerela: "Once, I made the mistake of saying I saw something on the news, and he started in with, 'Saw the news? I don't know about you, but I read the news."

      Green has lived without blogs since 1989, when his then-girlfriend moved out and took her set with her.

      "When Claudia went, the blog bookmarks went with her," Green said. "But instead of just going out and bookmarking more, which I certainly could have done, that wasn't the issue. I decided to stand up to the blog teat."

      "I'm not an elitist," Green said. "It's just that I'd much rather sculpt or write in my journal or read Proust than sit there passively staring at some phosphorescent screen."

      "If I need a fix of passive audio-visual stimulation, I'll go to catch a Bergman or Truffaut film down at the university," Green said. "I certainly wouldn't waste my time reading the so-called Blogspot or, God forbid, Fark."

      Continued Green: "People don't realize just how much time their blog-reading habit, or, shall I say, addiction eats up. Four hours of blogs a day, over the course of a month, adds up to 120 hours. That's five entire days! Why not spend that time living your own life, instead of reading fictional people live theirs? I can't begin to tell you how happy I am not to read blogs."

    18. Re:Personality. by bforsse · · Score: 1

      I see blogs not as the new personal website, but as an extension of the concept of forums. Publishing little gems of knowledge and interest extracted from every day tedium characterizes blogs as public diarys.

      I have to say that when I ask a friend about an event in their life and they respond "read my blog" or "check out my website" I consider it a little rude. Expecting your friends to have read and memorized all of your blog entries seems to kind of de-personalize the friendship. A couple years ago it was a bit more novel and uncommon to have a web presence, but it scares me that many people now let these message boards become their life.

      My idea of a personal website has become more of a scrapbook than a diary. It takes more effort to put it together but the publisher has more creative freedom.

    19. Re:Personality. by mdwh2 · · Score: 1

      It's all very well noting that personalised information is better than non-personalised information about a person, but who has the time to do this for everyone you know? Maybe if you only have a few friends, but before LiveJournal came along, I was never writing a personalised email each for over 150 people!

      Blogs aren't a replacement for personal email - if I have something which is personal, I still use email for that. Blogs allow something new.

      Personally, I dont' read ANY BLOGS, unless you count Slashdot. But slashdot is hardly a "blog". When friends or acquaintances offer me their livejournal (or other blog) urls, I tell them "I"m sorry, but I don't read livejournals". It's nothing intended as offense toward them. I just don't waste my time reading things that I don't care about .

      And that is exactly one of the good things about blogs. Would you prefer it if all your friends (or even people who just knew you but you didn't necessarily like) randomly spammed you with their updates, opinions and so on via email? Even if it was personalised, that could be annoying if you didn't want to hear from that person - the key point about blogs is that the reader decides what they want to read.

      And why doesn't it count as a personal conversation just because there are more than two people involved? I have had plenty of discussions with friends over LiveJournal; just because I'm talking with more than one person doesn't make it non-personal.

    20. Re:Personality. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Your comment demonstates ignorance.

      Many blogs contain valuable comment, news, and insight into current events free of the dumbed down nature of mass distribution media.

      It is just a matter of finding the right blogs. I urge you to reconsider.

  12. The downside... by Lonesome+Squash · · Score: 3, Insightful
    is that it's easier than ever to get news and views that support your opinion without being exposed to those that challenge it.

    People have always done this, but the trend has gotten more pronounced. I sometimes imagine that we're going to end up as completely distinct logical entities that happen to share the same geological space. Imagine two countries with exactly the same borders, with different tax structures, different social benefits, different foreign policy.

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    1. Re:The downside... by MaelstromX · · Score: 1
      I sometimes imagine that we're going to end up as completely distinct logical entities that happen to share the same geological space. Imagine two countries with exactly the same borders, with different tax structures, different social benefits, different foreign policy.


      No, this won't happen, because then people will be powerless to enact laws to control/restrict the behavior of those around them. That's what laws are all about -- making sure other people don't do things. Not governing ourselves (because we are always perfect and justified in our own actions), but other people, and not just those people that are in agreement with us, but everybody.
    2. Re:The downside... by a+whoabot · · Score: 1

      The political blogs are largely just internet fantasy sites usually repleat with a dose of pure hatred. They have no connection to the actual world and just go on spiralling out into space with their own fantasies about how the world is and how it should be. (Easy to do when you're largely fuelled by hate and you have plenty of "friends" to back you up). Truly the world extremely complex, in comparison to the simplicity spouted out, it's random, yet these numerologists of economy and policy believe they've cracked it's code and they've reduced the world to a ridiculously simple set of laws. "The islamo-left media/euro alliance is destroying the world!" a la Little Green Footballs. "The megacorp-right/zionist alliance is destroying the world!" a la the left wing blogs.

      To be effective you have to adress how it actual is. And you must treat your opponents with respect. You see the people on these sites imagining effective people on their side as just as rabid in hate as they are, but it never happens. Does Dick Cheney hate Jacques Chirac? Maybe deep down, we wouldn't know, and most likely not, and even if, he certainly wouldn't let that affect how he treats the man. Does he call him a "stupid euro leftist" like the people on these political blogs insist? No, because he's not: he's the president of a very rich country and wields a tremendous amount of power(or we're supposed to imagine that he does).

      Your true opponents are not morons. They have a coherent set of beliefs and are able to defend them. Opponents who actually are morons, those are people you're supposed to ignore. If you address morons as if they are an actual opponent, except to make some other point, you could be a moron as well.

      Treat people with respect, ignore people who use insults. This is what your mom teaches you when you are five. It's as if people get the internet and all of sudden they're four years old again.

      Maybe it's telling when you hear very hateful pundits like Michael Savage say that he had a hard childhood, that his parents were mean to him. Perhaps he just missed the lessons of treating others with respect that most kids got. I don't wish to single out the right-wing here. I can't think of a prominent hateful left-wing personality who has told of a harsh childhood. I'd mention them too if I knew. I don't wish to suggest that any sort of a childhood guarantees a certain disposition either; I'm not a big fan of the myths of psychoanalysis.

  13. Unpunny by asliarun · · Score: 1

    I think that five years down the line, someone could compile a dictionary on the mutations of the word "blog".

    This is the only word that i refuse to pun about.

    Harrumph.

    1. Re:Unpunny by Reignking · · Score: 1

      That would be blogtacular!

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  14. I'd Believe It by the_mad_poster · · Score: 4, Insightful

    This probably explains why so many more people seem to be talking about so many more topics these days, but have less to say than ever.

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    1. Re:I'd Believe It by Curunir_wolf · · Score: 1
      This probably explains why so many more people seem to be talking about so many more topics these days, but have less to say than ever.

      Good example.

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      "Somebody has to do something. It's just incredibly pathetic it has to be us."
      --- Jerry Garcia
  15. I wonder how much of these Blogs are actually read by MrRTFM · · Score: 2, Insightful

    These days when searching for stuff you get a huge percentage of blog entries as opposed to legitimate* information. Not saying that blogs are bad, it's just that for a pure text based search it really raises the signal to noise ratio.

    Say something like video card doom3 - gets 600k hits, whereas
    video card doom3 -forums gets 333k

    Blogs are useful, but I'll be glad when google separates them from the normal search results.

    * as legitimate as is possible on the net anyway

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    You can't expect to wield supreme executive power, just because some watery tart threw a sword at you
  16. Blogs? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

    Never heard of 'em.

  17. Expert Kevin Nealon says... by SunPin · · Score: 2, Funny

    Four out of five people think the fifth one is an idiot.

    --
    Laws are for people with no friends.
    1. Re:Expert Kevin Nealon says... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      One out of five reads slashdot and calls the other 4 idiots. They also mod the other 4 peoples opinions down.

  18. Definition of blog? by Henrik+S.+Hansen · · Score: 3, Insightful
    It depends on the definition of blog. Is it a personal journal? Or is Slashdot a blog, too?

    If news sites like Slashdot are also counted as blogs, I'm not surprised the number is increasing.

    Personally, I don't read personal blogs much. Most are low quality.

    1. Re:Definition of blog? by kjamez · · Score: 1

      Personally, I don't read personal blogs much. Most are low quality.

      i read some personal ones, but seldom just 'find them' ... it's useually if i'd met someone in a different state or country, and they had one, i'll read it too see what they are upto ... most of them are run by 13-17 year olds who giggle about someone being cute, or getting dumped or something ...

      i've actually limited my blog-reading to sites with rss/xml feeds, so i don't have to look at the horid designs (as much) ...

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      you can't have everything, where would you put it?
    2. Re:Definition of blog? by isopossu · · Score: 1
      I quit blogging some months ago. Writing a blog makes you exaggerate your message. It is just you and your voice.

      With teens without much knowledge of an outside world you'd see it as being over-emotional or just plain obnoxious. With more adult blogs you see professors being quite silly with politics and end of the world scenarios.

      I like Slashdot more, because here it is easy to shut up indeterminately when I don't have anything special to say. Plus usually the readers already find the thread interesting, and I don't have to motivate them into the subject.

  19. No, no it isn't by Linegod · · Score: 1

    Last year 90% of Internet users just didn't know what they where viewing, until some jackass decided to call it a 'blog'. Now they have a term for what they read.

    .

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  20. Narcissism in America by Democratus · · Score: 4, Funny

    Is anything more self-absorbed than blogging?

    That anyone would think their life is important enough for the world to read is the height of hubris!

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    Check me out on http://www.livejournal.com

    1. Re:Narcissism in America by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I should start logging times when I take a dump. I'll call it my log blog. Surely if people go to ratemypoo.com then they'll read this.

    2. Re:Narcissism in America by KermodeBear · · Score: 1
      I especially like the fact that your sig reads:

      "Check me out on http://www.livejournal.com"

      Oh well. In any case, I find it easier and less intrusive to dump something in a LJ post every once in a while then mail out lots of people... Especially when there is the danger of "Why didn't you tell ME when you told everyone else?" situations happening.

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      Love sees no species.
    3. Re:Narcissism in America by Cat_Byte · · Score: 1

      snicker....nice sig in contrast to the post ;)

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      Two roads diverged in a wood, and I - I took the one the bus load of girls just went down.
    4. Re:Narcissism in America by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Is anything more self-absorbed than blogging?

      Yes...writing everything down in a book and charging people for it. At least you know beforehand that you'll get what you pay for when reading a blog.

    5. Re:Narcissism in America by Bitsy+Boffin · · Score: 2, Interesting

      First, mods

      Check me out on http://www.livejournal.com

      mark the man funny for his subtle self deprecating humor :)

      Second, I think blogs are simply taking the place of diaries ("journals" to the yanks I believe), that they are public is merely an adaptation, I don't think the typical "blogger" expects (m)any people to read them, it's more an outlet for thier own conciousness.

      Of course this raises the question of what IS happening to the age-old art of diary/journal keeping, do teenage girls still keep diaries for thier most inane...err..intimate thoughts, do scientists keep journals of thier thought processes on paper or are they too moving to electronic means, even "scientific blogs"?

      I imagine there are many worthwhile "blogs" beeing kept at places such as livejournal which may not be of interest now but would be in 50 years, will they still be around in 50 years, how can we, or even, should we preserve these somehow?

      And, being the voyeuristic, and inquisitive species that we are, humans do tend to like to read about other peoples lives, even if they aren't really all that interesting. Often times I've found myself reading about somebodies day at work, or trip to the shops, or family argument, or some other mundane detail of thier life at some blog I've stumbled across.

      It's almost addictive.

      PS: I don't keep a blog, I'm neither disciplined, nor interesting enough to do so.

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    6. Re:Narcissism in America by Lumpy · · Score: 1

      Is anything more self-absorbed than blogging?


      yes Podcasting.

      there are some GREAT podcasts and I listen to them daily. but a HUGE majority of them are like blogs.. nothing but public masturbation.

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      Do not look at laser with remaining good eye.
    7. Re:Narcissism in America by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      nothing but public masturbation.
      Not that there's anything wrong with that.
  21. I have no interest in blogs by FunWithHeadlines · · Score: 4, Informative
    All right, I'm not a teen interested in talking to other teens on the "Dude, what's up?" level. That's just an experience thing, and I plead guilty to outgrowing that stage.

    But in general I have little use for personal blogs, blogs that are about someone. There are six billion people on this earth. Many of them have fascinating stories to tell. Once they have truly fascinating experiences, I'll be glad to read about it in a biography or autobiography. But until then, they can keep their day-to-days to themselves or others who like to pore over meaningless details. Want to know what I had for breakfast today? Dude, not even I am interested any more.

    I do like blogs that are news aggregating sites. That is really useful to me, so it's not as if I ignore all blogs. But blogs as "home pages"? I ignored those too back in the day. And by the way, for a while I tried running my site in parallel as a blog along with the regular URL. It was fun to get comments on the headlines, but it wasn't really blog material. Just felt out of place. So I dropped the blog.

    If blogs speak to you, that's wonderful. Have fun. I'll snooze this one out.

    1. Re:I have no interest in blogs by ockegheim · · Score: 1

      Of course many blogs (undoubtedly like many diaries of the past) are dull and mundane. But I like to read the interesting, funny and even poetic ones. Some people can produce extraordinary writing from ordinary events. What they had for breakfast is probably not interesting, but what came into their mind while they were eating very well may be.

      When I'm writing my own blog I try to include the sorts of things I like reading in blogs and leave out the sorts of things that bore me, so I suppose to me, a blog is more creative writing than a mechanical description of the day. Even if only a few bloggers do this, with 31 million bloggers in America, that could mean 31 thousand sensational diaries in the top 0.1%

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      I’m old enough to remember 16K of memory being described as “whopping”
    2. Re:I have no interest in blogs by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      1. I'm not a teen
      2. I plead guilty
      3. I have little use
      4. I'll be glad to read
      5. I do like blogs
      6. really useful to me
      7. I ignore all blogs
      8. I ignored those
      9. I tried running my site
      10. I dropped the blog.
      11. I'll snooze this one

      Want to know what I had for breakfast today? Dude, not even I am interested any more.

    3. Re:I have no interest in blogs by FunWithHeadlines · · Score: 1

      Mea culpa!

    4. Re:I have no interest in blogs by Elwood+P+Dowd · · Score: 1

      Slashdot is a blog, smart guy.

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      There are no trails. There are no trees out here.
    5. Re:I have no interest in blogs by FunWithHeadlines · · Score: 1

      I know. As I replied to the AC, mea culpa. But at least I did point out that I like blogs that gather the news, which certainly applies to /.

  22. I'd rather.... by _PimpDaddy7_ · · Score: 1

    I'd rather read BLOBs

  23. Strange by StevenHenderson · · Score: 1
    Personally, this, along with the phenomenon of people reading others' AIM away messages, seems like a new type of internet "voyeurism." You can "spy" into peoples' lives with total anonymity, yet it is people themselves that make this information available.

    Seems to encourage a hands-off type of socialization, while separating people by yet another degree doesn't it? I mean, how many people have others on their buddy lists just to "check away messages"?

    1. Re:Strange by ubernoob22 · · Score: 1

      I've always resented this phenomenon (checking other people's away messages / profiles profusely). I used to have an IMChaos link (before everyone figured out how to circumvent them) and I would see people clicking on my profile that hadn't talked to me in years.

      I regularly clean up my buddy list and remove people that I know I don't want to talk to. I think people are just too lazy to do that, and, when they're bored, read your away message (because now you're too cool to talk to them...or something)

  24. it isn't a blog? by BobVila · · Score: 3, Insightful

    The only thing that could have made this story funny is if it was a blog article being backed up by a web poll. I was kind of expecting the link to the article to go to some blog.

  25. Useless Statistics by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    I love useless statistics. When something is this new, a "58 percent" increase means zilch. An increase from what?

    If someone told me that TV viewing was up 58 percent that would mean something, as we have a well-established base of what's normal. Blogs are too new to track in any meaningful way.

    It's like saying private spaceflight is up 40,000 percent since the flight of SpaceShipOne.

  26. Thank Dan Rather, Swift Boat Veterans for Truth by Nova+Express · · Score: 3, Insightful
    The heightened popularity of blogs can in large measure be attributed to two big stories this year: Dan Rather's use of the clumsily forged documents on President Bush's National Guard Service, and Swift Boat Veterans for Truth.

    In RatherGate, it was blogs like Little Green Footballs and Powerline which actually broke the story, quickly determining that the RatherGate documents where not only frauds, but poor, obvious frauds at that. And it wasn't TV news "experts" who made the determination, but real experts out on the Internet chipping in their particular bits of knowledge about computer typographer, Air Force National Guard procedures, etc. Tens years ago, CBS probably would have gotten away with it. Now they can't.

    In the case of Swift Boat Veterans for Truth, here was a story the MSM didn't want to touch with a ten-foot poll because it went against the narrative the had already decided on ("John Kerry, War Hero Turned Protestor"). (Just imagine if there had been an organization with some 80-odd National Guard vets swearing that they witnessed Bush shirking his duty; there would have been an hour-long prime time special...) Since no media outlet was covering their ads, it was the blogsphere that carried information about the group. It's ironic that the Swift Boat Vets spent about 1/100th what Moveon.org did, and was still 100 times more effective.

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    1. Re:Thank Dan Rather, Swift Boat Veterans for Truth by clontzman · · Score: 1

      In the case of Swift Boat Veterans for Truth [swiftvets.com], here was a story the MSM didn't want to touch with a ten-foot poll because it went against the narrative the had already decided on ("John Kerry, War Hero Turned Protestor").

      If the MSM committed any sins in the SBVfT situation (and they did), it was in giving their story credibility without backup. Nothing in the official record, or in the recollections of those on Kerry's boat, supported their version of the story, but the MSM gave them scads of free publicity with very little scrutiny. It wasn't blogs that gave the SBVfT their audience, it was the mainstream media.

    2. Re:Thank Dan Rather, Swift Boat Veterans for Truth by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      "In the case of Swift Boat Veterans for Truth [swiftvets.com], here was a story the MSM didn't want to touch with a ten-foot poll"

      Huh? I never got away from this story, and I didn't read one blog entry about it. The MSM talked endlessly about the smears from these guys, stuff that was debunked instantly, but kept making the news ad naseum.

    3. Re:Thank Dan Rather, Swift Boat Veterans for Truth by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

      Interesting take on those events, and by interesting, I mean ridiculous. The ironically named Swift Boat Veterans for Truth spent relatively little money on their easily falsifiable ads, it is true, but their ringleaders were featured on Fox News for months. There weren't 80 National Guardsmen to swear that Bush did his time, by the way.

      The 60 Minutes documents were retracted due to poor sourcing by Rather, looking for a sensational new angle to the clear fact that Bush hadn't even done his minimal military service, not because a bunch of typography geeks caught a kerning error.

      And Little Green Footballs is a bastion for some of the most viciously hateful violent right wing sentiment out there.

    4. Re:Thank Dan Rather, Swift Boat Veterans for Truth by Daniel+Dvorkin · · Score: 1

      In the case of Swift Boat Veterans for Truth, here was a story the MSM didn't want to touch with a ten-foot poll because it went against the narrative the had already decided on ("John Kerry, War Hero Turned Protestor"). (Just imagine if there had been an organization with some 80-odd National Guard vets swearing that they witnessed Bush shirking his duty; there would have been an hour-long prime time special...) Since no media outlet was covering their ads, it was the blogsphere that carried information about the group. It's ironic that the Swift Boat Vets spent about 1/100th what Moveon.org did, and was still 100 times more effective.

      Nice spin -- have you considered applying for a job with Fox?

      I'm about as much of an internet news junkie as anyone, but IIRC, it was through the "MSM" that I first heard about the Swift Boat Vet ads, and it was certainly TV that first brought their slander to the attention of the majority of the voting public. If "the MSM ... had already decided on [the narrative] of 'John Kerry, War Hero Turned Protestor'," the SBV would have received the burying they so richly deserved. Instead, the White House propaganda team picked it up and ran with it, and their media lapdogs played along. Remember the Purple Heart band-aids at the RNC? Can you imagine the firestorm that would have resulted if Clinton's people had done something similar to Dole in 1996?

      You people are repulsive. You glorify chickenhawks like Bush, Cheney, et al., mock the heroism of your opponents like Kerry (and even turn on your own, like McCain, when they challenge the Master Plan), use media organizations owned by your sympathizers to spread your lies, and still present yourselves as scrappy underdogs fighting the status quo. It reminds me of nothing so much as corrupt third-world dictatorships calling themselves "The People's Party Of Perpetual Glorious Revolution" ... and you are taking our country down that road.

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    5. Re:Thank Dan Rather, Swift Boat Veterans for Truth by jthayden · · Score: 2, Insightful

      A lie can be half way around the world while the truth is still putting on its sneakers.

      - Mark Twain

    6. Re:Thank Dan Rather, Swift Boat Veterans for Truth by Mashiki · · Score: 1

      If and when he ever signs a form 180 he might even get a break from some of the other vets in the military too. Until then, he's a coward, a political opportunist.

      Individuals such as yourself, don't have a clue as to what military tradition is. Or what actually constitutes a medal.

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    7. Re:Thank Dan Rather, Swift Boat Veterans for Truth by Daniel+Dvorkin · · Score: 1

      Individuals such as yourself, don't have a clue as to what military tradition is. Or what actually constitutes a medal.

      Oh, really?

      -- Daniel Dvorkin
      USAR 1988-1989
      USAF 1989-1997
      Desert Storm veteran

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      The correlation between ignorance of statistics and using "correlation is not causation" as an argument is close to 1.
    8. Re:Thank Dan Rather, Swift Boat Veterans for Truth by ScentCone · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Nice spin -- have you considered applying for a job with Fox?

      But listen to yourself! You're spinning is far worse, mostly because it's whine-centric. The poster is correct: Despite orders of magnitude more money being spent by people like MoveOn.org, and with breathless and uncritical support from NPR, CNN, ABC, NBC, CBS, BBC, and on and on - the basic essence of the SBV's message resonated with people. Their point: not every Vietnam vet was buying Kerry's mythmaking, and many, many of them were deeply insulted by it. That's not spin: that's fact.

      By the way: to even begin to compare what Bob Dole went through for his Purple Heart (a lifetime of debilitating misery and pain, and loss of use of his arm) to Kerry's superficialities... that lack of honest perspective on your part (and of so many others that clearly don't get it) is exactly what pushed so many social moderates and otherwise middle-of-the-road folks over to the Bush camp. Kerry's muddle-headed self aggrandizement simply played badly, and people noticed. That some key bloggers enhanced that process is neither here nor there: it was what people were thinking, and they voted that way.

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    9. Re:Thank Dan Rather, Swift Boat Veterans for Truth by Daniel+Dvorkin · · Score: 3, Insightful

      ... with breathless and uncritical support from NPR, CNN, ABC, NBC, CBS, BBC, and on and on ...

      This is the core of the myth that pisses me off so much. To say that the "MSM" sources you reel off gave "breathless and uncritical support" to Kerry, or the corollary claim that they tried to bury the SBV, is to deny reality. In fact, most TV and print media gave "breathless and uncritical support" to Bush's made-up war hero image, while treating Kerry with a kind of skeptical amusement from the beginning, and picked up the SBV slander with glee. The relentless right-wing hammering at the "liberal media" has reduced these once-respectable news sources to neutered lapdogs who uncritically report Karl Rove's talking points for fear of being charged with liberal bias.

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    10. Re:Thank Dan Rather, Swift Boat Veterans for Truth by lysium · · Score: 1
      In the case of Swift Boat Veterans for Truth, here was a story the MSM didn't want to touch with a ten-foot poll because it went against the narrative the had already decided on

      It also demonstrated the "blogosphere's" usefulness as an echo chamber. When influential conservatives and pundits produce a talking point, it soon spreads down the informal hierarchy of idealogically-aligned sites. When it hits enough front pages the media begins to notice and they thus feel obligated to cover the story, even though it may end up being complete rubbish.

      So only one of your two examples is a positive example. The latter shows the danger of blogs, and how insubstantial or inaccurate information can grow into something dangerously powerful.

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    11. Re:Thank Dan Rather, Swift Boat Veterans for Truth by Mashiki · · Score: 1

      Yes.

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    12. Re:Thank Dan Rather, Swift Boat Veterans for Truth by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful
      ""We gave peace a chance, we got 9/11" -Anti-Anti war protester sign."

      Stunning. If you think trying to be peaceful had anything at all to do with the events of 9/11, you have swallowed the propaganda whole.

    13. Re:Thank Dan Rather, Swift Boat Veterans for Truth by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      "The poster is correct: Despite orders of magnitude more money being spent by people like MoveOn.org, and with breathless and uncritical support from NPR, CNN, ABC, NBC, CBS, BBC, and on and on "

      The poster is incorrect, and so are you. NPR, CNN, ABC, NBC, CBS, but not, I think the BBC, the breathless and uncritical support went mostly to the Bush spin. Quit trying to rewrite history. It's been too soon, and we all remember what we saw on TV.

    14. Re:Thank Dan Rather, Swift Boat Veterans for Truth by Daniel+Dvorkin · · Score: 1

      Interesting. So in other words, I don't understand military tradition, having, you know, lived it, because my politics differ from yours. What a narrow little world you must inhabit.

      So, please, enlighten me as to your understanding of military tradition, and the source of that understanding. Let me guess, you've read a bunch of Tom Clancy novels?

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    15. Re:Thank Dan Rather, Swift Boat Veterans for Truth by Mashiki · · Score: 1

      You get an A for effort, a C for insults. KOFOR. 7th Gen military family.

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      Om, nomnomnom...
    16. Re:Thank Dan Rather, Swift Boat Veterans for Truth by ScentCone · · Score: 1

      Note that I never said the MSM tried to bury the SBV stuff... rather, that they continued to prop up Kerry's OWN propogandizing with very little critical commentary. That whole "I'm John Kerry, and I'm reporting for duty!" bit at the DNC was like high school theatrics, and betrayed a truly tone-deaf sense of what people would swallow (or be inspired by). That wasn't what the pro-Bush bloggers were gagging on though: they were focusing on what OTHER vets, who where there, had to say on the subject, including the fantastically under-reported (today) maligning that Kerry did of his fellow servicemen (whom he "loves") the moment his three superficial injuries got him out of the river and back into his patrician comfort zone.

      It doesn't help, of course, when people like Dan Rather, with great gusto, trot out obviously phony documents in a smear-Bush attempt. What was he thinking? No matter. We're talking about the bloggers, here: and they are indeed an interesting counter balance to the folks in those major networks that do, without question, make editorial decisions hugely in favor of the leftier political camps. Note: I thoroughly dislike the right-wing fringe. I'm an atheist, and more of a libertarian than anything else. But Kerry's confused, condescending rhetoric, coupled with uncritical resonating by those major news people, produced the most smarmy, insincere atmosphere around a candidate that I can recently recall. Oh wait, I forgot about Bill. Anyway, I think most blogs (and bloggers) are nonsense, and barely conceal their hamfisted ideologies... but when they surface information that gets traction (exposure) at CBS or NBC, but not the overly positive spin that is still given to Kerry's every utterance, then good for them.

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    17. Re:Thank Dan Rather, Swift Boat Veterans for Truth by Daniel+Dvorkin · · Score: 1

      Fair enough; I will grant that you have your own understanding, based on your own experience, and that it (obviously) differs from mine. But if you deny that mine is valid, simply because of a political disagreement, then you're not the kind of troop I'd want at my back.

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    18. Re:Thank Dan Rather, Swift Boat Veterans for Truth by ScentCone · · Score: 1

      Quit trying to rewrite history. It's been too soon, and we all remember what we saw on TV.

      But it's what I saw on TV that has me writing that! I'm referring to choices of B-roll, sound bites, anchor comments, and all of the other (not very subtle) salesmanship that those networks engage in. Let's see: in cruising through what coverage I could last night, I caught one network only reporting Clinton's comment that he thought Bush was getting a "bum rap" (his words, when asked at a press conference) for his response to the recent tsunami. The rest of the usual networks were repeating, over and over again, the "general consensus" that we've handled the whole thing badly. The implication, of course, is that the democratic party would have handled it better. But their own demi-god, Clinton, who's been in that office, knows the truth, and said so. But playing that sound bite goes so against the editorial grain at most networks that you simply won't hear it. Multiply that by a thousand similar editorial decisions during the campaign, and you get the experience that I'm talking about.

      Granted, I shouldn't have included BBC. They weren't slanted or biased, they were overtly hostile.

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    19. Re:Thank Dan Rather, Swift Boat Veterans for Truth by dave1g · · Score: 1

      what is a form 180?

    20. Re:Thank Dan Rather, Swift Boat Veterans for Truth by Mashiki · · Score: 1

      I won't disagree with you and will agree that yours is valid. It is a political disagreement that's all it is and was.

      Don't take it the wrong way. Some of my friends say I rub the wrong way, others just say I'm too much of a hardass.

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    21. Re:Thank Dan Rather, Swift Boat Veterans for Truth by Mashiki · · Score: 1

      It's a full disclosure form used in the military to release all of your records. Usually your records are sealed and unless you sign a 180 they stay that way. Just do a search on a Standard 180.

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    22. Re:Thank Dan Rather, Swift Boat Veterans for Truth by Daniel+Dvorkin · · Score: 1

      NP.

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    23. Re:Thank Dan Rather, Swift Boat Veterans for Truth by paul.dunne · · Score: 1

      Did they have "sneakers" in Mark Twain's day?

    24. Re:Thank Dan Rather, Swift Boat Veterans for Truth by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Fags like you typiclly have a soft ass.

    25. Re:Thank Dan Rather, Swift Boat Veterans for Truth by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I agree. Bloggers also tend to wear their biases on their sleeves for all to see. Compare this to the usual broadcaster on NBC or FOX who makes broad claims to an objectivity we all know to be false.

  27. Election by StevenHenderson · · Score: 3, Insightful

    This stat is likely influenced by the massive numbers that went out and read political blogs during election time. I can't remember hearing about blogs on Hardball or Crossfire in 2000...

  28. as Homer Simpson would say, by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

    Oh, people can come up with statistics to prove anything, Kent. 14% of people know that.

  29. I agree with that statistic... by ozskier · · Score: 1

    I've been seeing a tremendous increase in traffic to my blog, Mischief Mayhem & Pornography over the past year from people all over the globe. I wish textamerica would enable some sort of geotracking so I could figure out where the hell these people are coming from.

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    1. Re:I agree with that statistic... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I wish textamerica would enable some sort of geotracking so I could figure out where the hell these people are coming from.

      With a name like "Mischief Mayhem & Pornography" it's pretty fucking obvious where they're all coming from - Google.

      And most likely leaving dissapointed 3 seconds later.

  30. RSS by barik · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I think what's really made blogs (and now other outlets) take off is the use of RSS/ATOM feeds and RSS/ATOM readers. There's Straw for Linux, SharpReader for Windows, and even online aggregators like Bloglines for those who are always on the run.

    It's easy to know when someone has updated without having to manually check every site. Reading content is also a breeze, by virtue of having a unified interface. Personally, a large number of my regular readers access my weblog through an RSS interface. And with big outlets like Yahoo News and BBC providing RSS feeds, it's not much more effort to simply add a personal blog to your daily reading list.

  31. Still a small number by BrK · · Score: 3, Insightful

    32M is still a relatively small number compared to the overall American population (~300M).

    I find most blogs so bland and boring that I don't see the reward in trying to separate the wheat from the chaff in them. Sure, some are funny, or informed, or insightful, but SO many are just pointless ramblings mixed in with malformed thoughts and opinions.

    Blogs are one of those things that I am absolutely shocked have gotten so much attention.

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    1. Re:Still a small number by YrWrstNtmr · · Score: 1
      Blogs are one of those things that I am absolutely shocked have gotten so much attention.

      I'm not.

      Beanie Babies
      Pet Rocks
      Tai Bo
      Atkins
      Cabbage Patch Kids
      Stop the insanity!

      As the current crop of bloggers age, and get real lives and no longer have the time to thrill us all with their daily goings on, this too shall fade.
      But remember...this is one of the core pillars of what the internet is all about. Bringing publishing down to the individual level. Everyone can publish, for all the world to see. Unfortunately, not everyone has something to say, nor knows how to say it.

    2. Re:Still a small number by Beefslaya · · Score: 0

      Don't forget Kick me Elmo.

    3. Re:Still a small number by charleste · · Score: 1

      Blogs are one of those things that I am absolutely shocked have gotten so much attention.

      I agree. While some are useful/entertaining/etc the majority are just ramblings/contain misinformation/political rants/etc
      I still prefer my news groups (am I too old fashioned?).

    4. Re:Still a small number by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      "Blogs are one of those things that I am absolutely shocked have gotten so much attention."

      Why? You're on Slashdot. Blogs are a place for people to express their opinions. Slashdot is a place where people express their opinions. Slashdot is popular. Blogs are popular. Slashdot is a blog (to an extent). What makes you so shocked?

  32. Re:I wonder how much of these Blogs are actually r by dAzED1 · · Score: 1

    since when are forums blogs? Forums have been around for ages. I was posting in forums nearly 20 years ago, on various BBS's.

  33. Blogging by The+Journalist · · Score: 2, Insightful
    I, too, maintain a blog. For me, it's not a case of narcissism or that I want to communicate with others. It's just a place for me to vent and speculate, to post good articles on whatever topic and comment on them,

    My sister is at college in another state. I read hers (and she knows I do it...and she hasn't killed me yet) so I can keep track of what's bothering her.

    Seems to me that there's a greater percentage of simple journals/diaries rather than event or otherwise one-time use blogs. True, the latter often recive the greater publicity, but the truly "dynamic threads" (that's an excellent phrase, kudos to Lonesome Squash) are the ones that cover more than just "My breakfast was [sic] egges, h4m and bacon" or "This is the [Insert Desired Event Name here] 2005 blog."

  34. Why blogs are popular by wikinerd · · Score: 1

    When traditional media in USA become more and more controlled by suspicious interests, blogs offer a unique free approach to journalism. But writing on a blog can cost you your job or even land you in the court, as the BBC says. When blogs will become more popular, the media empires will understand that they are losing ground so they will try to attack the bloggers over various excuses such as "innappropriate images", "published sensitive information", "libel", "innappropriate use of trade marks" et cetera.

  35. A reflection back in time by jacobcaz · · Score: 1
    I keep up a blog and I write regularly in a journal too. My journal isn't online but my blog is and they are two different vehicles.

    I will usually put more personal or goal related information that's not important to anyone but me in my journal. Things I would just as soon not be out in public (sadly there is nothing really scandalous in my journal though).

    In my blog I post things I find interesting that I might want to reflect back on in the future. If it's interesting information to other people, so much the better, and that's why I post it publically.

    I also post things that other people might find useful. I have a couple of hobbies and I know that when I search for information if I can add my own out there I'm helping give back to others with the same hobbies. Mpix is a perfect example. I blogged about my good experiences with them and just the other day received a comment on my (very) lightly read blog thanking me for the tip.

    I feel good knowing that maybe I was able to help someone else out.

  36. In related news by Loco3KGT · · Score: 1

    32 million people admit to having such boring lives thzt they have to be overly informed of everyone elses'.

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    1. Re:In related news by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Loco3KGT admits to having fingers too fat to use a keyboard and eyesight too poor to proofread.

    2. Re:In related news by Loco3KGT · · Score: 1

      womp wah

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  37. In related news... by ViolentGreen · · Score: 5, Funny

    Misinformation in the US is up 58%.

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    1. Re:In related news... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Funny? Mod insightful.

    2. Re:In related news... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You may have intended that as a joke, but, you are actually correct

      The Conservatives will claim that the Liberal blogs are biased and a bunch of lies, Moderates are Liberal wannabes, and that Conservative blogs are the only trustworthy blogs

      The Liberals will claim that the Conservative blogs are biased and a bunch of lies, Moderates are Conservative wannabes, and that Liberal blogs are the only trustworthy blogs.

      The Libertarians will claim that the Conservative, moderate, and Liberal blogs are biased and a bunch of lies and will try to make people think that Libertarian blogs are the only trustworthy blogs.

      When the truth is, all blogs are going to be biased toward their viewpoint, whether it's liberal, conservative, libertarian , moderate/centrist, or Statist.

  38. Why Blogging Matters by WombatControl · · Score: 5, Informative

    It's interesting to see the reactions from people who still associate blogging with LiveJournals and angst-ridden teenagers. While 90% of blogs are crap, to borrow from Ted Sturgeon, 90% of everything is crap.

    Blogs offer a huge amount of valuable information. Blogs helped fuel the fire in the Trent Lott affair. Blogs debunked the CBS Bush-ANG memos hoax. There are blogs being written by Iraqis that offer a perspective into Iraq that you would never get anywhere else. Blogs are proving their worth in the tsunami relief efforts as well.

    Blogs offer a level of immediacy that the media does not. Rather than allowing a few selected gatekeepers to control the flow of news, blogs offer a wide range of views in a system that acts as a kind of meritocracy. Bloggers tend to be voracious in taking ideas apart. Something like those crudely-forged Bush documents that Dan Rather flogged for weeks were almost immediately debunked by bloggers. Stories that don't have merit are filtered out and stories that wouldn't normally be widely disseminated get far more readership through blogs.

    Blogs are nothing less than a distributed form of newsgathering that is having a major effect on online journalism. They're much more than just vanity sites.

    1. Re:Why Blogging Matters by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      Blogs are nothing less than a distributed form of newsgathering that is having a major effect on online journalism. They're much more than just vanity sites.

      You mean, news repeating. Blogs are nothing more than a billion websites updating their content with links to other sites and other news stories, with occasional commentary on them. They're as much a "distributed form of newsgathering" as the local news stand. They don't generate *anything*. They just spew the same old thing over and over and re-distribute already distributed content. Bleh. Lame.

    2. Re:Why Blogging Matters by Frobisher · · Score: 1
      They don't generate *anything*. They just spew the same old thing over and over and re-distribute already distributed content. Bleh. Lame
      Just like Slashdot really..... and yet here we are.

      Slashdot is gathering "stuff that matters" for us, saving us the trouble. I don't see anything wrong with that. Blogs that perform a service like that (and like mine -- http://anotherchancetosee.blogspot.com/) gather news and articles about particular topics that are valuable to people because they save us time. They bring things to our attention that we would normally have to hunt a bit harder for.

      The angst ridden personal blogs I'm happy to avoid, and like most, wish Google had a mechanism for excluding them easily.
    3. Re:Why Blogging Matters by sgamer · · Score: 1

      I'm sorry, but blogging is just a way for anyone, and I mean ANYONE, to add their little editorials to news. The only sizeable "breaking news" claim most people have posted is the Rather story, yet that was debunked all over by anyone with a copy of the letter and an experience with military typewriters. The only reason blogs are credited with this crap is because that's where it was easiest to collaborate this information, but I heard about it at the same time from online forums anyway. Think about it that way as well: if blogs are a good way to disseminate information (rofl), then forums would be even better because they're a multi-person collaborative effort to link stuff. But, anyone with half a brain and a knowledge of "freepers" would know that's not even the case.

      99.99999% of what these bloggers write is editorial "snapshots" of news stories. They might link a news article, but they're far from aggregators: most only link things pertinent to their political interests, and ignore all else. Anyone who would mostly rely on blogs for news links would most likely have a slanted view of news, spattered with all manner of linked editorials from print and online newspapers. Actually reading the newspapers that are linked would do you 10x as good as reading thousands of different blogs, because those people actually know journalism, and you get the newswire stories from AP, Reuters, and other organizations. You also get to read all the editorials they link, and the one's they don't because they don't fit the political bent of the blog.

      Personally, I believe blogging doesn't really matter, except in disseminating opinion and views. One exception one might make is the blogs from people in Iraq give their take on what's happening from there, but that's just one person's take...if they're having a great time, or an exceptionally crappy time, they're going to put that point across, and people will use it to generalize the entire situation in that region.

      But, people latch onto blogs because they're quick and easy reads...they don't have to actually pick up a whole paper when they can get these little self-serving newsbriefs. These things appeal to those with a short attention span and a narrowmind, no matter which side you're on. I'm sorry, but anyone in their right mind who's been on the internet for as long as I have pretty much doesn't give a flying crap about blogs, unless they're funny, or they're made by someone we know. They're not a format to disseminate news, because it's all coming from a person, or just a few people, and it all links existing news sources anyway. Do what those bloggers do and actually read the news.

      P.S.: watching cable news isn't the same as reading a paper either, but I digress.

    4. Re:Why Blogging Matters by jafac · · Score: 1

      Blogs debunked the CBS Bush-ANG memos hoax

      On the same token, a bunch of CRAP was involved in the debunking, that was mainly ignored by the debunkers - these were widely accepted as givens, disproven, but still accepted;
      1. the fact that there was NO kerning at all in the memos (which means that forgery was never conclusively proven) - Variable Spaced type was conclusively proven, but by no means, was superimposition with a Microsoft Word document a 100% perfect match. With or without Kerning enabled.
      2. the fact that there was ZERO evidence connecting the origin of the memo to any Democratic Party operative.

      What never DID occur, that in my mind, was necessary to prove that these memos were forged, was that nobody tracked down the exact model of typewriter that supposedly has the capability of variable-spaced type, and show that the messages could have (or could NOT have) been typed in 1972 with a typewriter posessed by the TANG at that time. That question remains unanswered.

      In my opinion, it's possible that these documents might actually have been legitimate. Occam's Razor says it's more likely they weren't. But there's a reasonable doubt there, that was never disproven.

      The only final judgement came from Dan Rather himself, when CBS dug into the sourcing of the documents, and found that they were not properly vetted, and he issued a public retraction. The stuff that went on on the blogs, ultimately, was of no consequence, other than forcing CBS to be honest about their fact checking procedure in that case.

      There are blogs being written by Iraqis that offer a perspective into Iraq that you would never get anywhere else.

      Iraq the Model was funded by the RNC.
      http://www.juancole.com/2004/12/manipulation -of-bl ogging-world-on-iraq.html

      Blogs offer a level of immediacy that the media does not. Rather than allowing a few selected gatekeepers to control the flow of news, blogs offer a wide range of views in a system that acts as a kind of meritocracy.

      I agree, blogs have a POTENTIAL to provide an important counter-balance to the highly controlled, over-consolidated newsmedia in the US today. But there's also a huge potential for abuse in the form of astroturfing (as described in the Juan Cole article).
      The main problem with the Mainstream Media today, is that the people watching it, seem to have forgotten the first rule; "don't believe everything you read."
      The same applies to blogs. Where basic Source Evaluation skills are absent in the audience, the same kind of manipulation of Truth is easily possible.

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  39. Americans interested in Other's Lives, shocking? by Tassleman · · Score: 1

    In a country where almost all my fellow citizens show more interest in watching The Simple Life or WHO'S YOUR DADDY than most other television programs I can't say I'm completely shocked at this statistic.

  40. Great thing about Net stats by jeff13 · · Score: 1

    ... like the number of people online or the number of "eye balls" on a site each week - marketing can just make up the numbers.

    Of course, making up numbers to boost computer and software sales is nothing new. Blogs are just the latest carrot to dangle, doesn't matter that, in truth, Blogs aren't read any more than anything else online.

    That's what's keep this IT bubble going for so long... bullshit. Bullshit is 30% of the US economy after all. :)

  41. Small Sample Size by echocharlie · · Score: 1

    The survey was conducted during November and involved telephone surveys of 1,324 internet users.

    1324 is a pretty small sample, relatively speaking. They didn't mention what the sample was in the study last year either. And why telephone surveys? This is internet users, right? Why not use On-line polls?

  42. Dan Rather by geoffrobinson · · Score: 1

    The whole CBS fake-document situation gave a big boost to the blogs and made many realize that Old Media has tons of problems. It's best not to rely on them for your sole source of information, given their idealogical slant. I would also say that's a good idea given other problems besides the political slant you get from them.

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    1. Re:Dan Rather by Pauley_24 · · Score: 1

      It's best not to rely on them for your sole source of information, given their idealogical slant.

      Well, exactly. That should go both ways, though -- Never rely on any one outlet for "Old Media" as your single source of information, either. Check out what everyone is saying, from all the points of view, and draw your own conclusions.

      -- Pauley

  43. misleading claims by ambrosine10 · · Score: 1

    The article is misleading. First of all, a lot of people read aggregator sites like FARK, Slashdot, Metafilter, etc. I don't know if those count as blogs.

    But when they say "people are reading blogs", what does that really mean? I would never read a personal blog of someone I didn't know. But my friends? Yeah, I mean, I have a reasonable interest in the lives of my friends, so I would check out their blogs from time to time. I honestly think most blog-reading is just friends reading each others' xanga or livejournal. Most people don't really care about the lives of people they don't know unless they have something interesting to say, and that is a very very small minority.

  44. 99.98% crap by peter303 · · Score: 1

    Most bloggers cant write and lead incredibly boring lives. However, a few good blogs have been around since the beginning of Web. Then they were called other names such as frelance journalism or web diaries. I read a few of those every week.

  45. You Got Dooced! by krgallagher · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Here is a related article about people loosing their jobs because of what they have posted to blogs. It raises interesting questions about freedom of speech.

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    1. Re:You Got Dooced! by Reignking · · Score: 1

      If they cannot spell "lose", they deserve to "loose" their jobs...

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    2. Re:You Got Dooced! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ...loosing their jobs...

      As opposed to tightening their jobs?

  46. Dull by CaptainBaz · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Sorry, but while people rave about "the blogging phenomenon", they generally forget to mention that most blogs are either dull as hell if they're lucky, or more likely just abandoned when the author got bored.

    Sure, there are the few excellent ones that stand out, but 75% are just dead livejournals or blogspots with
    Of course, I have one myself, so I'm hardly entitled to comment... :o)

    1. Re:Dull by Dagny+Taggert · · Score: 1

      To be fair, I think it depends on who you read. Most bloggers talk about their own lives and unless you're a close friend, you don't care (at least I don't; sorry). I've had a blog for almost three years now and I try to post daily on topics of interest: news, tech, the arts, or whatever I'm obsessing about. It's pretty hit and miss, but once a week I put up something good. Or that's what my mom says.

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  47. Interesting Blog List Please by nighty5 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Can somebody list at least 5-10 * interesting * personalities that are news worthy? I use to "finger" a few gamers over 10 years ago but not really anymore....

    1. Re:Interesting Blog List Please by gmajor · · Score: 2, Informative

      The Bloggies (2005 voting ends soon) rank blogs on a yearly basis.

      I read a bunch of Sun blogs, including Jonathan Schwartz' misinformation blog. Same with Microsoft's MSDN blogs.

      Primary reason I read those blogs is for the cool tidbits. A secondary reason I read their blogs is so that I can remain aware of all the FUD coming from them!

    2. Re:Interesting Blog List Please by nighty5 · · Score: 1

      hey what a great website - thanks for the link!

  48. Most widely-read blogs are not personal by Junks+Jerzey · · Score: 1

    They're usually focused on a specific area that the author is interested in. Joel on Sofware, for example. Or Dan Bricklin's blog. Or the various Microsoft blogs by people working on .net. Or the Lambda programming languages weblog. Or any of the popular writers and musicians who have weblogs.

    This is what people read. Not teenybopper angst and love lore.

  49. Been there, done that. by jimhill · · Score: 1

    I used to think the blog wass little more than a packet-switched version of CB radio, destined to fade as rapidly as did that particular "gives the little man the same voice as the corporate man" phenomenon. However, I've come to realize that the internet generation has the power to engage in self-selection more than any of those that came before. Witness the rise and popularity of Fox News despite surveys demonstrating that the network frequently provides factually incorrect information. Not the interpretive stuff, but who said what when and where. Nonetheless, the network tells people what they want to hear, reinforcing prejudices and supporting ideologies. And yes, NPR does the same for those of a different political bent, though their fact-checking is a bit more robust. A bit.

    My point is that once upon a time, in the before-time, in the long-long-ago, people's options were limited. If the town's newspaper editors weren't of the same stripe, tough. Subscribe or don't. But now we have a zillion newspapers and people can get their "news" from some guy using Moveable Type to explain how welfare queens and/or oil barons represent a threat to all that is decent, true, and American. Or Canadian, or Majorcan, or whatever. The rise of the blog is the rise of the finger in the ear, the shut eye, and the "nahnahnah I can't hear you".

    Well, that and a few million people boring the shit out of us by writing about their trip to the Gap with a swing by Starbucks on the way home.

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  50. Blog Reporting by WombatControl · · Score: 1
    You mean, news repeating. Blogs are nothing more than a billion websites updating their content with links to other sites and other news stories, with occasional commentary on them. They're as much a "distributed form of newsgathering" as the local news stand. They don't generate *anything*. They just spew the same old thing over and over and re-distribute already distributed content. Bleh. Lame.

    Bloggers like Salam Pax (an Iraq living in Baghdad during the war) weren't doing original reporting? You mean the hundreds of bloggers who were in the field for the recent US elections weren't doing original reporting? You mean the many current and former US soldiers who were or are in Iraq aren't doing original reporting?

    There are plenty of blogs worldwide who do original reporting, nor are they any particular secret.

    1. Re:Blog Reporting by pokeyburro · · Score: 1

      Indeed. Remember the big news of a US marine shooting an Iraqi POW? That was broken primarily by MSM, yes. But for the full story (or at least a fuller story), you might want to read the photojournalist's account.

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  51. The Big Important Questions by serutan · · Score: 1

    How can Big Media make money off this phenomenon? And which laws will have to be changed to make it hard for everybody else?

  52. Blogs are the answer.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    to the question, "What if there were 20 million cable channels, and they were all either 24 hr news, bad reality tv, or ugly girls gone wild in a desperate plea for a father's attention?"

  53. What the hell is a blog anyway? by shaka999 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    After a recent slashdot article I looked on wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blog). By this definition slashdot itself is indeed a blog.

    I find this ridiculous. By the definition on the site almost every site I look at is a blog. The base definition seems to say that any page that has some element of chronological order is a blog. This certainly doesn't fit my view of what a blog originally was.

    So, no wonder blog readership is up. The definition of a blog has been expanded by 58%!!

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  54. And this is why I hate statistics. by oneiros27 · · Score: 4, Interesting
    'blog's are defined as whatever's convenient to show that readership in them is up 58% in this last year.

    I worked on Fark before I had even heard the term 'blog', and the nature of it has changed so much since then, that it's say if it's now more or less like a 'blog'. [hell, we even looked at advertising back then to offset the costs, and we got rejected because we didn't generate content, only linked to other people's content, of course, that was before readers could comment]

    Here are a few independant parameters that no one can seem to agree on in their definition:
    • Personal vs. Group Administered
    • Personal vs. Group Contributors
    • Frequency of Updates
    • Ability for Reader Comments
    • Type of Funding
    • Amount of Editorial Oversight
    • Broad / Narrow Subject Focus
    • Generated vs. Linked Content
    • Opinionated vs. 'Neutral'
    In the early days of the term, it seemed to be more of the 'online diary' type pages, but came to include sites that were collaborative efforts. I'd have listed anything that updated frequently, with a relatively narrow focus (even if that focus was 'things that Bob finds interesting'). Of course, that definiton would have included sites like AlertBox, ScoopThis, or The Onion.

    These days, the media seems to use the term to apply to any site that posts opinionated information without vetting, and updates on a semi-frequent basis, and in this case, I'm guessing it was whatever they needed to prove that it was a potential 'growth industry' to support whatever agenda they might have.
    --
    Build it, and they will come^Hplain.
  55. can /. be called a blog by adeydas · · Score: 1

    just wanted to know your opinions on this: can /. be termed as a blog?!

    1. Re:can /. be called a blog by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Slashdot is an excellent example of a collaborative weblog. It is a dynamic website, in chronological order that lets people express their opinions about things going on outside their own lives. If the users of Slashdot talked about personal things then it would be called a journal. There is a careful distinction between the two that must be made.

  56. Re:Americans interested in Other's Lives, shocking by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    makes a change they are watching lives rather than taking them

  57. Cool. by Spy+der+Mann · · Score: 1

    Let me write this on my blog.

  58. Love, song lyrics, and more by vorpal22 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I can think of all sorts of valid uses for blogs.

    Were it not for blogs, there are many song lyrics that I would have been unable to discover. People without the know-how to find webspace and design and create an entire website have sometimes painstakingly determined and written out lyrics to songs and then posted them to their blogs. These lyrics would have been otherwise unavailable, as the artists did not choose to release them. For example, a favourite group of mine, Metric, created an album "Grow Up and Blow Away" that was never released but is available for download in various locations. I spent an afternoon satisfying my own curiosity and determined the majority of the lyrics to the songs. After posting these to my LiveJournal, I've gotten tons of comments from people who either were able to contribute and help me fill in the gaps that I was not able to figure out myself, or messages of thanks from individuals who were interested in getting their hands on these.

    That's but one example of the use of blogs: providing information that may have limited scope of appeal, and that may not be otherwise available.

    Additionally, the idea of "community blogs" as offered by LiveJournal is tremendously useful. I don't know how many times asking a question on LiveJournal's mathematics community has saved me hours of googling and interpreting obscure definitions in order to answer a question.

    Thirdly, I've met many fascinating people through my blog, both online and in person. In fact, that's how I met my life partner.

  59. Re:I wonder how much of these Blogs are actually r by Spy+der+Mann · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Let's use the popular informal definition of blog.
    A web log maintained by only one person about something he likes.

    We should state the difference between blogs, forums and normal webpages... a blog has a log structure/layout, and is sorted by date. In contrast, /. is sorted by categories, and doesn't have a visible calendar to see the previous entries (you have to get inside the "archive").

    Now if we go to the /. users' journals, well we enter a fuzzy gray area.

    Regarding the signal/noise ratio, perhaps google should add a "blog" category into their search.

  60. Why the increase?-"Front"-Page. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "Don't get me wrong - I read about six blogs a day, and I truly believe they're the future portal of the Internet. Without blogs, the WWW is mostly comprised of organization websites (companies and universities being the top two), and frankly, that's hideously boring."

    Uh huh. So I guess all those web pages that people have been putting up for years are just chopped liver?

  61. Re:I wonder how much of these Blogs are actually r by XMyth · · Score: 1

    I often find useful information on forums myself....

    Besides, as another poster mentioned, forums != blogs

  62. The downside...A Mod-el View by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "is that it's easier than ever to get news and views that support your opinion without being exposed to those that challenge it."

    Welcome to the moderation that's Slashdot.

  63. Slashdot, meet Groklaw. Groklaw... by Flashpot · · Score: 1

    I think that accounts for most of it.

    --
    That which does not kill her only prolongs my agony.
  64. Blog? .plan! by CrazyWingman · · Score: 1, Troll

    LONG before some sick fuck decided to publicize this horrible term for a horrible practice, we *nix folk had .plan files. Need to know what joe is working on? finger joe@hisdomain. "Blogging" is not a new thing, folks.

    Blog = Brain Rot

  65. Thank Dan Rather, SBVT-Stretch Marks. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "So only one of your two examples is a positive example. The latter shows the danger of blogs, and how insubstantial or inaccurate information can grow into something dangerously powerful."

    CowboyNeal isn't wearing any pants.

  66. Not really by Just+Some+Guy · · Score: 1
    It raises interesting questions about freedom of speech.

    No. I raises interesting questions about why people would say and do things that would embarrass their employer, publish it on the Internet, then expect their employer not to find out about it.

    The article mentions a woman who was fired for publishing nude photos of herself. Is that substantially different than posing for a nudie magazine? Would many bosses be comfortable with the latter (especially given the hyper-paranoia about sexual harassment where said employer could be sued bankrupt by the woman should one of her male coworkers happen to mention that he saw the photos that she put on public display)?

    This has nothing whatsoever to do with freedom of speech. It is still perfectly legal to publish just about anything you want (short of the obviously illegal stuff), but no country's law says that you won't face the consequences for doing so.

    We make fun of people adding "over a computer network" to an old patent and being granted a new one, but we'll happily add "over a computer network" to an old activity and act surprised when the new activity is subject to the same laws and penalties as before. Put another way, if you think your boss would fire you for writing something in a letter to the editor of a newspaper, then why would you think he'd condone your writing of it in a blog somewhere?

    --
    Dewey, what part of this looks like authorities should be involved?
    1. Re:Not really by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      Put another way, if you think your boss would fire you for writing something in a letter to the editor of a newspaper, then why would you think he'd condone your writing of it in a blog somewhere?


      I don't. Not should I have to care. What I write to a newspaper, or in a blog, in my own time, is none of my boss's damned business. Period.
    2. Re:Not really by Just+Some+Guy · · Score: 1
      What I write to a newspaper, or in a blog, in my own time, is none of my boss's damned business. Period.

      So if you write:

      • "How to steal office supplies"
      • "My boss is teh suck"
      • "I think my company is ripping people off"
      • "Here's what I'd like to do to that girl in Accounting"
      • "We charge Customer A 75% more than Customer B"
      at home, then you boss should take no interest whatsoever and you shouldn't be expect to be held responsible for it? That's... amazing. Have you ever actually had a job, or is the position that you plan to take when you first get one?
      --
      Dewey, what part of this looks like authorities should be involved?
    3. Re:Not really by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You are incorrect. The article mentions a woman who was fired for publishing photos of herself. Not nude photos. The most suggestive pose was one you could see a little of her bra. Big deal. She did not mention the company she works for.

    4. Re:Not really by cpeterso · · Score: 1


      I would read that blog. :)

  67. Honestly now by Syncdata · · Score: 1

    To say that the "MSM" sources you reel off gave "breathless and uncritical support" to Kerry, or the corollary claim that they tried to bury the SBV, is to deny reality. In fact, most TV and print media gave "breathless and uncritical support" to Bush's made-up war hero image

    Honestly now, that last line is hogwash. The second, the absolute millisecond that plane landed on the carrier, paul begala et all raised holy hell about it. Likewise when Bush snuck into Iraq, and had the Turkey photo-op. I could hear the whistling in Chris Matthews ears from the west coast.

    But what about a substantive issue, such as Kerry's false testimony that he spent Christmas in cambodia? Not a word from the mainstream media. Not a peep. The fact that it got out to the public is a testimony to how vioently the internet is changing the reporting of events.

    I'm going to give you a hint. The days of denying slant on behalf of the major networks/major metropolitan dailies is over. Oh sure, you can attempt it if you like, but the sound you're going to hear is that of eyes rolling.

    Thank you for your service, but your political analysis is suspect.

    --
    "Inattention makes clowns of us all" -Bean
    1. Re:Honestly now by Jerf · · Score: 1

      Yeah, I know... "The media isn't biased! They cover 90% of the crap from one candidate and make up new crap and bury the retractions, but they're balanced because the cover the 10 most egregious percent of the crap from the other guy! How much more balanced do you need?"

      The only way, the only way to argue that media coverage is balanced is argument by anecdote, where you hold up an example or two of "balance" from the other side and consider the argument closed. Take a view of the whole, though, and it's clear that the "one or two examples" comprise almost the only examples.

      (And an example of a buried retraction: How many of you are unaware that the turkey story is 100% faked up as a political issue, that the core is of no importance whatsoever? Those retractions sure didn't get as much play as the accusations. To be fair, this is Standard Operating Procedure, but it still tilts the playing field when you have to retract a lot of things about one side and almost nothing from the other.)

  68. Why a troll? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Why is the parent post rated as a troll?

  69. What about comments? by banausikos · · Score: 0

    "There is no difference between a blog and a person's home page, except that one usually is now automated (as far as having an interface to use for adding content) and the other is manually done by editing HTML files."

    The ability to submit comments about a blog post surely differentiates the two. I find greater similarity between blogs and USENET groups.

  70. In unrelated news... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Average intelligence in the US is down 58%

  71. darker subcontext by wobblie · · Score: 2, Insightful

    People are becoming more boring and vapid, and for some reason simply have to let everyone else know how boring they are.

  72. "Go whine about it in your blog." by EvilStein · · Score: 1

    Ah ha! Found the shirts.. :D

    http://www.cafepress.com/blogwhine

  73. they're blahgs not blogs by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    blah blah blah mundane story blah blah blah blah blah useless blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah nonsense blah blah

  74. why blog plus gallery? by brlewis · · Score: 1

    What made you decide to have a separate blog and gallery? Wouldn't the two be logical to combine? And why is your wife's family reading your blog but not your side of the family?

    1. Re:why blog plus gallery? by NardofDoom · · Score: 1
      Originally I wanted the blog to be private (I was using B2 and there was no "private entry" option) and the gallery to be public.

      But then my mother-in-law emailed her entire family the wrong link (she forgot to put a dot between after the subdomain) and everybody went to my home page and then to my blog. (I was young and stupid).

      My side of the family didn't even know I had a website until the wedding.

      And they're not joined because I abhor integration. My blog blogs well, my gallery does its job well, and never shall they meet.

      --
      You have two hands and one brain, so always code twice as much as you think!
  75. Blogs vs Reality TV by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I tend to see blogs as being similiar to Reality TV. Instead of there being the sensationalism to it like on TV though, you're just hearing people's opinions by reading 'em.

    I personally can't stand reading blogs. The few that I've read just remind me of individuals getting up on their soapboxes and wanting to feel important. Plenty of them also feel like people just ranting about things they can't do in RL, or don't know how to.

    I can't see myself ever being a fan.

  76. Pink Floyd by Muttonhead · · Score: 1

    "I've got 13 million channels of shit of the computer to choose from..."

  77. Repeat after me: I am not my job by quintessencesluglord · · Score: 1

    The question isn't so much taking responsibility for what you say (and the consequences thereof), it's someone else adding more consequences to the equation to fit their agenda.

    It's almost like saying you have the right to free speech, but every time you speak, a tax of $1000 will be levied against you. You can still say whatever you want; you just have to deal with the consequences. Is that really free speech?

    Take the uber stupid example of yelling "Fire!" in a crowded theatre. How is that much different than the president saying "Iraq has WMD"? The person in the theatre gets to deal with consequences way beyond having a dog named shithead. Funny those rules don't apply to the people enforcing the rules.

    I could write a blog about stealing office supplies as a means of detailing how to stop office theft, or my "boss teh suck' as a humorous send off of my boss. No statement implies context. I wonder if I wrote a blog detailing my difficulties in coming to terms with manic-depression if you would still support my boss's decision fire me out of embarrassment? What if my latest depressive episode was caused by my job? Should everyone at EA be fired because of what some anonymous wife wrote?

    And suppose my boss writes a blog about how lazy his employees are? The degree of being held responsible for what you wrote is a bit unequal. Why should this be?

    If you really want to go the route of work at will, fine, but how about some readdress for every indignity from pissing in a cup to a credit history check.

    Inasmuch as my life at home doesn't interfere with my work (and I admit there is a lot of grey), it is none of your business. Even if I blog something unflattering, it is up to you to prove how this is negatively affects work. My right to free speech and privacy precedes.

    1. Re:Repeat after me: I am not my job by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The idea of "freedom of speech" applies (in the US, and the other nations of the world that have such an idea) to what the GOVERNMENT can and cannot do. Most essentially, it means that you can criticize the government without fear of reprisal. So you can say "George W Bush is a stuipid moron" and not get hauled off as a political prisoner.

      Your employer is a private entity, you are a private entity, and your job is a contractual relationship between two private entities. If private entity #1 decides that private entity #2 has violated the terms of that agreement in some way, the agreement can be terminated.

      In the US, you are not guaranteed a job. If you choose to work, you agree to whatever conditions are established by your employer. Your employer may ask you to undergo a drug screening, for example. The government can't do that, constitutionally speaking, but an employer can. You have every legal right to refuse, but in doing so you forfeit your job.

    2. Re:Repeat after me: I am not my job by quintessencesluglord · · Score: 1

      I see you missed the part about readdress.

      I've heard this before, and I find nothing in "Congress shall make no law" that is exclusive to government. As I understand it, the Bill of Rights not only guarantees my protections against government, but from other citizens as well.

      To simply state a job as a contractual agreement between to private entities is erroneous. There are a hundred and one regulations which oversee said agreement, and that agreement itself is bound by law.

      If I choose to work, the conditions set by my employer must be legal, and a portion of that is the protection of my rights beyond what an employer may demand.

      For instance, I may be prescribed marijuana. Inasmuch as I can truthfully answer "No this drug does not impede my ability to perform the duties described" (well, at least not anymore than Xanax), it is none of there business. My employer does not have a right to my medical information, and it is illegal for them to ask (Why? It violates my right to privacy.).

      The contractual agreement between me and my employer is for monies paid for services rendered. Period. Anything beyond that may very well be unconstitutional, and certainly isn't supported by anything more than hearsay.

  78. And how much of this stuff is fact vs fiction ? by Ricochet · · Score: 1

    I've read a few BLOGs and quite frankly I've found them to be quite boring. My life is not a lull-you-to-sleep novel but it's not interesting enough for me to write about. Yes I have a BLOG, it lets me spout off my opinion on one subject Home Automation (http://linuxha.blogspot.com/), nothing else! I honestly don't think others will seek it out and find my BLOG but I realize that it might get read. So no embarrassing stuff, I watch my P's and Q's and I try to maintain a professional persona. It's basically a place for me to practice my writing and listen to others comments on the subject.

    Some of the other BLOGs I've seen appear to be random thoughts (gibberish) or personal diaries (do they know others can use that info to impersonate them). Some of the BLOGs are just a waste of space and show just how ignorant people really can be). But there a few that give us ideas or show us the way the rest of the world thinks or views events. Some of them we may not agree with and some we want to argue with but it gives us a view outside our own perspective.

    Now the big question: How much of this is fact and how much of this is fiction? How do we know when to trust what we're reading and when to ignore it as personal bias or just plain junk wrapped up in a pretty wrapper?

  79. Tsunami Amber Alert by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This post is important - the safety and well-being of a twelve year-old boy may be in serious jeopardy. http://www.kubed.org/blog/archives/2005/01/04/tsun ami-amber-alert/

  80. Let's clear up this delusion once and for all by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Blogging is for people who just can't resist pulling out their soapboxes whether anyone's listening or not, people who just don't know when to put a sock in it. If you blog, tell me this doesn't describe you:
    http://www.hyperdictionary.com/dictionary/
    logorrhea

    Freedom of speech is a great thing, but the fact is most people don't know what the hell their talking about, but are feel free to spout their opinions anyway. If you're an expert in a given field and have something to offer, that's one thing. Most bloggeers aren't and can't. This is no different than the explosion of "look at me" webpages in earlier days of the Net.

  81. Blogging's Therapeutic value by Count+of+Montecristo · · Score: 1
    I've read many a comment describing personal blogs as nonsensical mind-masturbating ego-trips. Although there is truth to that assertion, i don't think we should underestimate this activitie's therapeutic value.

    I run my own egotheque and i couldn't give a whit about who reads it. It's for my own eyes and blowing off my own steam.

    The fact that it's out there brings some voyeuristic/exhibitionist pleasure to dumping my mental drippings on a page that may or may not be read, or that someone may or may not find amusing. Just the thought that it -could- be read brings the aforementioned pleasures to doing so.

    My struggle to stop smoking is my own. So is coping with my pathetic life in general. It's kind of therapeutic writing about it in public.

    --
    *shower*
  82. Blogs are poor news sources by geekee · · Score: 1

    It takes the concept of seeking out only what you want to here to a new level. No one wants facts, they just want to here what they already believe.

    --
    Vote for Pedro
  83. Two things worry me about blogging by gidds · · Score: 1
    Personally, I don't have time to spend writing down everything I do. That's because I have a life. I don't feel that writing down my experiences somehow validates them, nor does it make my life seem any more important. And I'm not arrogant enough to think that too many other people would be interested.

    And for the same reason, I don't feel the need to read every tiny detail of someone else's life. I have my own to think about!

    I think it's the same with soap operas. I've never watched any, apart from a couple of weeks' worth of one, because a friend asked me to. He was convinced I'd be hooked, and couldn't understand why I didn't care what happened to the characters after that. Maybe I'm a cold, uncaring person, but I can't understand why people keep watching, why they feel the need to follow all the detail of those fictional characters' lives just because they're familiar.

    So that's my first worry: don't all these blog readers have lives of their own???

    My other concern is that blogs are a very impersonal way of communicating. They may be convenient, but they're hardly a substitute for a real live conversation, where you can ask questions and discuss issues. They're probably great for impersonal and technical matters, but blogs are by definition personal, and putting out all that personal information in such an impersonal medium, where there's no tone of voice, feedback, or even handwriting to convey expression, seems quite perverse.

    (The woeful state of most native English-speakers' spelling, grammar, and other writing skills is only a sub-worry on that front.)

    Have I misunderstood what blogging is about, or do these issues worry anyone else too?

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    Ceterum censeo subscriptionem esse delendam.

  84. There no death penalty for Liberal bias...yet by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I don't think it is fair to our President that Dan Rather and Maureen Dowd are meerly subjected to dehumanising torture and indefinite confinement for their unpatriotic speech crimes.

  85. Advice.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Save the internet, append -inurl:blog to all google searches!

  86. SwiftVets Told The Truth - Kerry Lied by rm3friskerFTN · · Score: 1
    "Nothing in the official record, or in the recollections of those on Kerry's boat, supported their version of the story,"

    WRONG

    First, IANAL but I link to a lawyer's blog below.

    Second I am a Navy Veteran (FTN & PAPERCLIP awards) whose skin crawled when Kerry gave his lifer "reporting for duty salute" ... something is not right with this dude ... thank you SwiftVets and POWS for Truth for confirming my gut feelings as a Navy Veteran about Kerry

    BULLET POINTS: Kerry Lies -vs- SwiftVets Factual Data

    why no Kerry libel/slander suit? Because Kerry has no grounds to sue - everything SwiftVets has said/published about Kerry is TRUE. Kerry is terrified of the discovery process that would occur during such a trial ... Kerry's full and complete military service record (except medical records) would be released to the general public.

    Swift Vets & POW For Truth have ALL their Tar Baby ducks in a row ... they were and are ready to go to court.

    There is a book Unfit For Command referencing:
    (1) Kerry's own authorized biography
    (2) limited official Navy Records
    (3) the Congressional Record
    (4) sworn affidavits signed by people who served with Kerry in Vietnam
    ... documenting Kerry's exaggerations, distortions, and lies regarding his Vietnam-era SwiftBoat naval service and his postwar activities with the enemy

    There are now five (5) mini-documentaries, explaining the minutia of the various Kerry combat engagements. Animations, maps and eye-witness voice overs are utilized. These are very useful for explaining to non-Navy types the ins&outs of what was going on during various SwiftBoat naval engagements. Basically Kerry was/is a serial exagerater who "lied while good men died"

    please note John Kerry NOT released his naval records to the general public via a signed SF-180. What was published on the Kerry website was a subset of his official records.

    CONFIRMED BY WASHINGTON POST

    Although Kerry campaign officials insist that they have published Kerry's full military records on their Web site (with the exception of medical records shown briefly to reporters earlier this year), they have not permitted independent access to his original Navy records. A Freedom of Information Act request by The Post for Kerry's records produced six pages of information. A spokesman for the Navy Personnel Command, Mike McClellan, said he was not authorized to release the full file, which consists of at least a hundred pages.From the Washington Post article Swift Boat Accounts Incomplete: Critics Fail to Disprove Kerry's Version of Vietnam War Episode by By Michael Dobbs, Washington Post Staff Writer, Sunday, August 22, 2004; Page A01

    There is a photograph showing Kerry with 19 of his fellow Swift boat OICs (Officers In Charge) in Coastal Division 11. Only three of Kerry's 23 fellow OICs from Coastal Division 11 support Kerry ... why so few support Kerry ... maybe Kerry has a problem? Perhaps we should pay some attention to these OICs who do not support Kerry? Maybe they kno

    --

    I believe Juanita

    1. Re:SwiftVets Told The Truth - Kerry Lied by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So what does it smell like up there in W' ass?

    2. Re:SwiftVets Told The Truth - Kerry Lied by clontzman · · Score: 1

      Second I am a Navy Veteran (FTN & PAPERCLIP awards) whose skin crawled when Kerry gave his lifer "reporting for duty salute" ... something is not right with this dude ... thank you SwiftVets and POWS for Truth for confirming my gut feelings as a Navy Veteran about Kerry

      In other words, the SBVfT told you what you wanted to hear. They've admitted that they're just pissed off that Kerry protested the Viet Nam war and were going to get him by any means necessary and they did.

  87. NOT chickhawks & McCain deserves it by rm3friskerFTN · · Score: 1
    You glorify chickenhawks like Bush, Cheney, et al., mock the heroism of your opponents like Kerry (and even turn on your own, like McCain, when they challenge the Master Plan),

    Bush as ChickenHawk ... visit the Wingmen For Bush Website

    Mocking the Heroism of Kerry (Part 1) ... read the Kerry vs Benedict Arnold essay

    Mocking the Heroism of Kerry (Part 2) ... view all five Swift Vet mini-documentaries

    Turning on your own, like McCain, when they challenge the Master Plan ... read these two letters addressed to Senator McCain one and two written by veterans turning on McCain because McCain deserved and deserves it

    --

    I believe Juanita

  88. Kerry Lied - Was New Information to Me by rm3friskerFTN · · Score: 0
    "the SBVfT told you what you wanted to hear"

    Not sure how you are arriving at that conclusion.

    The reality is that instead of the Swift Vets and POWs for Truth telling me what I wanted to hear they actually:

    told me things I did not know (e.g. Kerry did NOT release all his Naval records, recalling the Form SF-180 issue)

    provided supporting documentation to back up what they were saying (e.g. Kerry's own statements to the Senate while he was a Senator, recalling the "Christmas in Cambodia" issue)

    demonstrated the power of the internet to short-circuit the Main Stream Media "memory-hole" (e.g. kinda hard to shutdown a message that is available via C-SPAN archives, particularly the Kerry vs O'Neill Debate on the Dick Cavett Show)

    Hope my explaination helps.

    BTW, when you fall asleep tonight or tomorrow, remember that

    "We sleep safe in our beds because rough men stand ready in the night to visit violence on those who would do us harm"
    - George Orwell (attributed)
    --

    I believe Juanita