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I like it a lot!

Plus the formfactor makes me wonder exactly where you're supposed to put this damned thing. Might as well get over putting this in anything smaller than an ATX board.

Posted by Hemos on 8:42 23 June 2003
from the cut-and-paste dept.
Nathan writes "Someone else asked us to redirect traffic to their site. We told them of course."

Extreme Overclocking: they actually overclocked the engineering sample. ha! kind of a pricy risk if you ask me. More reviews here, here and here.

Anyone know why they are sticking the IDE sockets on their side?

Another good review of this unit can be found here:

HotHardware.com - Vapochill Pentium 4 System Review

Well actually in that test it didn't reach 52x at all

Nah almost all the drives use CAV these days. To all those who don't waiste their time reading CD-R reviews remember a cd has data in circles around the disc, and circles get bigger the further out you go.

The drive manufacturers have a choice of either making the drive run in CAV (constant angular velocity) so the cd spins the same speed across all the data (burning speed starts at about 24x and ends about 52x) or it can slowly slow down the disc so data burns at a constant speed. (CLV, or constant linear velocity).

The problem is that if you spin a cd fast enough to burn at 52x around the inside track the cd will probably explode since its gotta spin really really fast (its early in the morning. you do the maths) ..compared to how fast it needs to spin to write on the edge of the disc. Thats why Z-CLV, or Zone-constant linear velocity was introduced. Z-CLV increases the speed of burning in increments but between increments the burner has to completely spin down and then spin back up again to change speed, and as the poster said this can cause problems for audio cds :[

anyway, here's the drive speed graph for the 52x - the yellow line is the angular speed it runs at (how fast the disc is turning) and the green line is how fast its burning. In this test it looks like it didn't reach 52x ...and of course here is a nice little picture of z-clv. notice the little dips in the speed as the drive has to spin down and spin up again :(

You can actually buy legacy-free mobos these days. Although -- I have a friend who almost bought one of those, he planned to connect an old microcontroller kit he used for home automation. His kit only had a serial interface; he eventually decided against a legacy-free PC. I'm not sure he did enough research; i think serial-to-USB interfaces should be available (any ideas?)

... and the ACHME power supply is a nice touch!

Is that wave stamped S/N a copy protection feature? :)

... and the ACHME power supply is a nice touch!

Hi All,
There is another article here, regarding the new GeForce FX, at HotHardware.

This stuff in his In here!

• [H]ard|OCP Intel Pentium 4 @ 2.80GHz : Intel is breaking out the big guns with their sights set directly on the competition. Will the 2.80GHz Northwood be enough for Intel to hold onto the performance crown?
• Anandtech Intel's Pentium 4 2.80GHz - Moving to the Head of the Class
• Tom's Hardware Speed Isn't Everything: P4/2800 Meets Athlon XP 2600+
• Ace's Hardware Faster Still: The 2.8 GHz Pentium 4
• FiringSquad Intel Pentium 4 2.8GHz Review
• Hexus.net Intel Pentium 4 2.8GHz Review
• SimHQ.com Intel "Northwood" 2.80GHz Pentium 4 Processor using .13 Technology
• Tech Report Intel's Pentium 4 2.8GHz processor - Two billion eight-hundred thousand hertz
• Hot Hardware The Pentium 4 2.8GHz Processor - Intel ups the anti once again
• xbit labs Intel Pentium 4 2.8GHz against Athlon XP 2600+
• VR Zone Intel Fastest Pentium 4 2.8Ghz Review
• HardcoreWare A Thorn in AMD's Hide
• Lost Circuits Pentium4 2.8 GHz - Another Hit And Run

• [H]ard|OCP Intel Pentium 4 @ 2.80GHz : Intel is breaking out the big guns with their sights set directly on the competition. Will the 2.80GHz Northwood be enough for Intel to hold onto the performance crown?
• Anandtech Intel's Pentium 4 2.80GHz - Moving to the Head of the Class
• Tom's Hardware Speed Isn't Everything: P4/2800 Meets Athlon XP 2600+
• Ace's Hardware Faster Still: The 2.8 GHz Pentium 4
• FiringSquad Intel Pentium 4 2.8GHz Review
• Hexus.net Intel Pentium 4 2.8GHz Review
• SimHQ.com Intel "Northwood" 2.80GHz Pentium 4 Processor using .13 Technology
• Tech Report Intel's Pentium 4 2.8GHz processor - Two billion eight-hundred thousand hertz
• Hot Hardware The Pentium 4 2.8GHz Processor - Intel ups the anti once again
• xbit labs Intel Pentium 4 2.8GHz against Athlon XP 2600+

There are several more 2600+ reviews, and these are much better too.
AMDZone.com
Hot Hardware
Tech-Report
Overclockers.com.au
Ace's Hardware
Firing Squad
Hexus
xbit
Anandtech
Van's Hardware
VIA Hardware
The Inquirer

Don't forget Hot Hardware!

The Nvidia Geforce 4 4200 generally runs most things about 50% faster than a radeon 8500 and costs less. It's definitely the best value gamer card on the market.

Here's a good article with some benchmarks on this great value card.


http://www.hothardware.com/hh_files/S&V/abit_ti_ 42 00.shtml

This is a nice concept card, but it's not going to put ATI on top.

money for moogles

Just look at the benchmarks at HotHardware; you will see that in NVIDIA's own benchmarks Parhelia it's aprox. 6% behind GF4. And remember that P's drivers are far from mature, compared to NVIDIAs...

Bjorn3D's Cg Article - Programmer's Perspective

Hot Hardware - nVIDIA's "Cg" Language
(Excellent! Includes interview with David Kirk, Chief Scientist - NVIDIA Corp)

ExtremeTech - New Language Revolutionizes 3D Graphics
(includes interview with graphics guru Kurt Akeley)

3DPGU - NVIDIA Cg High-Level Language Preview
(includes short Q&A With Dan Vivoli - Vice President Of Marketing)

nV News - NVIDIA Cg Toolkit Overview
(makes comparisons using COBOL and FOCUS)

HotHardware.com has there take on the new Thoroughbred AMD Athlons, here as
well.

Looking at the specs here, can anyone tell me why the chip with 64MB onboard has less bandwidth than the one with external memory? I thought the point of onboard memory was better performance...

all i can say is wow. finaly a geforce killer. When i looked at the last review of geforces, i noticed that there was very little difference between a GF3 and a GF4. i mean im still using my GF256 thats been goign strong for 4 years now. its the oldest component in my pc and it performs beautifuly even on the newest games. after seeing this review however, i must say that i know what my next GFX card purchase will be. did you see those tri head shots?

wow

of course since its not out yet i dont know actual prices but if its priced comparitivly with a geforce 4, or even a little higher i would so jump on it. Matrox is back people.

all i can say is wow. finaly a geforce killer. When i looked at the last review of geforces, i noticed that there was very little difference between a GF3 and a GF4. i mean im still using my GF256 thats been goign strong for 4 years now. its the oldest component in my pc and it performs beautifuly even on the newest games. after seeing this review however, i must say that i know what my next GFX card purchase will be. did you see those tri head shots?

wow

of course since its not out yet i dont know actual prices but if its priced comparitivly with a geforce 4, or even a little higher i would so jump on it. Matrox is back people.

all i can say is wow. finaly a geforce killer. When i looked at the last review of geforces, i noticed that there was very little difference between a GF3 and a GF4. i mean im still using my GF256 thats been goign strong for 4 years now. its the oldest component in my pc and it performs beautifuly even on the newest games. after seeing this review however, i must say that i know what my next GFX card purchase will be. did you see those tri head shots?

wow

of course since its not out yet i dont know actual prices but if its priced comparitivly with a geforce 4, or even a little higher i would so jump on it. Matrox is back people.

It's becuase the 4400 and 4600 are so freakin huge! Compare these:

This is a 4600. It's Big.
This is a 4200. In the article they say the differences between boards. Enjoy.

Been spending too much time by the memepool, have we?

The DV means that the card does more than the standard 7500 or 8500. The DV adds more AV features to the standard card. However, the features added are not the same across the cards. For example, the Radeon 7500DV does not have the Firewire port as the 8500DV does, although I'm not sure what type of effect this has. The 7500DV has a different turner from the 8500DV. This card is a middle of the road performer for gamers considering it's benchmarks. It's comparably with the nVidia Geforce 4 MX4400. The AV capabilities are what sets it apart. However, after reading some of the posts here about the compability and stability issues and the poor software, the DV in both the 7500 and 8500 versions is looking less and less attractive.

I've got the older All-In-Wonder 128, and the TV quality is much better than a regular TV. A few problems: I've tried running it dual monitor with another video card and the TV functions don't work when running dual monitor. Its no Tivo, I don't really expect it to be, its ability to record video is restricted by my old hardware.

I think I'd go for the Xtasy Everything (review here) even though its only a GeForce2. It has dual monitor support, meaning you can attach two computer monitors to the card, or one monitor and one tv (and possibly other combinations). I like the idea of watching TV on one monitor and using my PC on the other. A PC monitor is simply the best thing to watch TV through IMHO. It'll be even better when there are some good HDTV tuner cards.

I have the original Radeon AIW, and am not very happy with it. It fails on two counts:

1) from an engineering standpoint, it's hacky. Look at those pictures, esp [site is down, so URL is unverified]the wires. The card should have one coax in (and optionally svideo) and one DRI out. Instead it has a bush of wires. This is--for example--because they don't do sound output oer the bus, but instead send it out a wire, which then must be plugged into your soundcard to be sampled. Getting a soundblaster to co-exist with the AIW is a bitch and a half. And double-decoding my sound just feels wrong.
2) Macrovision. I bought one of these to be able to watch VHS movies on my computer, and every so often, one just doesn't work. I figure it's macrovision. The sound continues, but the video freezes after about 3 secs.

3) I agree with everyone else: The bundled software and drivers are so bad, they should pay me to put up with this crap.

So:

anyone have a better solution? I saw one guy suggesting getting the hauppage or bt442 cards.

from Voodoo Extreme:

Intel 2.4 GHz Pentium 4 CPU
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Intel 2.4 GHz Pentium 4 CPU
Intel 2.4 GHz Pentium 4 CPU
Intel 2.4 GHz Pentium 4 CPU
Intel 2.4 GHz Pentium 4 CPU
Intel 2.4 GHz Pentium 4 CPU
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Intel 2.4 GHz Pentium 4 CPU
Intel 2.4 GHz Pentium 4 CPU
Intel 2.4 GHz Pentium 4 CPU

HotHardware's Benchmarks and 3GHz Overclock!

HotHardware's Review with 3GHz. overclocking!

This site has an excellent review up as well, with benchmarks and comparisons to the Athlon XP 2100+. They even overclock it to 3GHz.!
HotHardware's Review and Benchmarks!

I'm surprised there was just Sharky's review. All of the sites normally come up with reviews when the NDA's expire:

AnandTech
Fast Graphics
FiringSquad
GamersDepot
GameSpot
GA-Hardware
HotHardware
PlanetHardware
Tom's Hardware

For my money, Anand's is the best place to go for these things, although Tom usually has better discussions of the details behind the hardware and features itself.

Also, 20 questions with ATI, mostly about Radeon.

HotHardware has another article on the R6 "Charisma", as well as a copy of ATI's White Paper.

HotHardware has another article on the R6 "Charisma", as well as a copy of ATI's White Paper.

HotHardware has another article on the R6 "Charisma", as well as a copy of ATI's White Paper.

Check out Hot Hardware and HardOCP for the scoop.
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