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I can never seem to find _anything_ at the HP site in just 5 clicks.

So here is link to HP's ProLiant with an Intel processor that will support up to 32GB of memory.http://h18004.www1.hp.com/products/servers/ proliantml570/index.html.
Or a rack-mount box with the AMD Opteron(TM) that supports up to 16GB of memory http://h18004.www1.hp.com/products/servers/prolian tdl145/index.html.

A few HP printers have separate printheads. We have an HP 3000n inkjet at the office and have to change the printheads about every 50,000 pages.

See, HP printheads.

Operating systems options Microsoft® Windows® XP Professional SP2
Red Hat Enterprise Linux Workstation 3 Update 4 (64-bit)
HP Installer Kit for Linux (includes drivers for 64-bit OS version)
The HP xw9300 will support Microsoft® Windows® XP Professional x64 Edition when available from Microsoft.
Processor Single or dual AMD Opteron 200 series processors with AMD64 Technology & HyperTransport; 246 (2.0GHz), 248 (2.2GHz), 250 (2.4GHz), 252 (2.6GHz)
Front Side Bus 800 MHz HyperTransport (246, 248, 250) 1 GHz HyperTransport (252)
Chipset NVIDIA nForce Professional with AMD-8131 HyperTransport PCI-X tunnel
Memory 16 GB maximum; 8 DIMMs; DDR1-400 ECC (512 MB, 1 GB, 2 GB); up to 12.8 GB/sec throughput
Expansion slots 6 slots: 2 PCI Express x16 graphics and I/O; 3 full-height PCI-X slots (one 133 MHz, two 100 MHz slots); 1 full-length PCI slot

Don't only look at amount of RAM look at access speed from the CPU and CPU contention. AMD HyperTransport addresses this somewhat.

HP DL585 supports model 852 processors, running at 2.6GHz, 1GHz HyperTransport and PC3200, running at 400MHz. 64-32GB of RAM depending on speed.

HP

For a white box check out iWill (or Tyan motherboards)

iWill 8 Way Opteron supports 64 GB RAM

Exactly, you don't buy a machine of this size without attaching it to some large storage. Probably a SAN/NAS, though you could also go with a direct attached SCSI enclosure. It's not just because you might have a lot of data, you need to keep a (probably) 4 processor system well fed with data for best efficiency.

Poster should also keep in mind the heat, noise and power considerations of a box this size.

And just to put in my 2 cents, an HP DL145 support 2 Opterons and 16 GB memory for under $20K US.

Gobs of memory & Linux

Gobs of memory & HP-UX

Gobs of memory & Solaris

Thousands of phamaceutical, oil and research companies around the world use this kit to get results, so why can't you?

...there all over the place:

Dell Itanium
HP Itanium
IBM Itanium

HP is mostly a printer company plus some side interests that barely earn any money.

According to the HP's quarterly report, it had quarterly revenue of $21.5 billion and earnings (profit) of $1.1 billion.

The Imaging and Printer division produced $6.1 billion in revenue. The other $15 billion came from what you call the "side interests", personal computers, storage and servers, software, services and financing.

The printer division is by far the most profitable, contributing about 70% of the profit. But the other divisions contributed about a half a billion dollars for the quarter, which is a long way from barely any money.

HP claims to be #1 globally in inkjet, all-in-one and single-function printers, mono and color laser printers, large format printing, scanners, print servers, and ink and laser supplies

However, its "side interests" make it

• #1 globally in x86, Windows, Linux, UNIX and Blade servers
• #1 in total disk storage systems
• #2 globally in notebook PCs
• #1 globally in Pocket PCs

HP is mostly a printer company plus some side interests that barely earn any money.

According to the HP's quarterly report, it had quarterly revenue of $21.5 billion and earnings (profit) of $1.1 billion.

The Imaging and Printer division produced $6.1 billion in revenue. The other $15 billion came from what you call the "side interests", personal computers, storage and servers, software, services and financing.

The printer division is by far the most profitable, contributing about 70% of the profit. But the other divisions contributed about a half a billion dollars for the quarter, which is a long way from barely any money.

HP claims to be #1 globally in inkjet, all-in-one and single-function printers, mono and color laser printers, large format printing, scanners, print servers, and ink and laser supplies

However, its "side interests" make it

• #1 globally in x86, Windows, Linux, UNIX and Blade servers
• #1 in total disk storage systems
• #2 globally in notebook PCs
• #1 globally in Pocket PCs

Check your volumes. Then factor in the price of a print head.

I assume you are comparing something like a HP 45 at USD 29.95 with a BCI 21 bk for USD 8.75. The HP 45 is a 42ml cartrige that HP say does 833 pages. The BCI-21 bk canon don't seem to want to tell us the volume, but will (if you dig) tell you that it will only do 225 pages. So that alone should make the HP cartrige slightly cheaper per page.

Then we factor in the print head. The HP print cartrige comes with a print head built on. The Canon one dosn't.
So.. if we were to count the purchase of a print head as well, the we would get a BCI 21e at USD 55.95 and take off the price of the color tank USD 23.25. That leaves us at $US 27.70 for 225 pages using the "cheaper" canon ink.

As usual buying the cheap stuff will cost you more.

Finally found the link on HPs forums that explains this.

Keep in mind that the transistor is an analog device that we have nearly pressed to its limits for digital devices. Check this out: http://www.hp.com/hpinfo/newsroom/feature_stories/ 2005/05crossbar.html

You're right. You are flamebait. Should've followed your instincts.

Your response:

* ignores the posters question.
* offers no insight
* offers no work-arounds or solutions
* doesn't explain anything at all
* serves only to put the poster beneath you.


Sounds like flamebait to me...

An emulator is perfectly fine for a class. He could also get a shell account (http://www.testdrive.hp.com/). He could pick up a cheap x86 box. Etc.

But you fail to mention any of these and prefer instead to insult the poor guy.

Like these people:

http://www.testdrive.hp.com/

I got an 1100 from my father who replaced it with a color printer and found that it was jamming all of the time as well (misfeeding multiple pages). I contacted HP support about it and they mailed me a free repair kit. It included a piece of cardboard the size of a PDA with an angled piece of plastic covered with adhesive. I stuck the cardboard in the feeder, the plastic thingy stuck inside, and I have never again had a paper misfeed.

Ms. Fiorina has presided over such low points as dumping a profitable calculator division

Do you have more info on this? They certainly still advertise calculators. It's been a year since their last ROM upgrade to the 49G+, but they're still supporting it with new drivers and such.

What exactly did they dump, do you know?

link.

Fiorina is still mentioned on the page, but only as a simple text link Information on Carly Fiorina under the new CEO Robert P. Wayman.

link.

Fiorina is still mentioned on the page, but only as a simple text link Information on Carly Fiorina under the new CEO Robert P. Wayman.

No, it's still there Slight goof: http://www.hp.com/hpinfo/execteam/ Nothing like a bio for the current CEO, but leaving the text/link for the old CEO.

It's kind of sad that her section on HP's site has been removed. Click on the very first link. Nothing there. Hah!

Though you can still email Carly! Let's send our best wishes to one of the worst CEOs in recent years! :D

But her page has gone already :-)

But google cache has it: http://64.233.167.104/search?q=cache:PX8f_tPqKOcJ: www.hp.com/hpinfo/execteam/bios/fiorina.html+fiori na&hl=en

(I am sure my employer could not co-ordinate a website update with a press release this fast :-)

Interesting that Dunn has no technology experience whatsoever
http://www.hp.com/hpinfo/execteam/

I guess they saw it coming., the page was different this morning

Ah, the good old HP 1100. Good printer, a few problems...

look here for a $360 complete pc with better performance than the mac mini.

I've got an iPaq h6315 that I bought used from a guy at work about 6 weeks ago for $400. It's not perfect, but it's definitely an extremely useful device. One of the handiest things for me is having it sync with MS Money, so that I'll always know my account balances, because I'm terrible at keeping a checkbook register. I didn't have an MP3 player before, either, so that took care of that. Not to mention that it's a lot of fun to play Monopoly while you're in the bathroom ;)

Shortcomings-
1) it needs a way to "lock" the screen and keys without turning it off. Sometimes I want to start some MP3's playing and then put it in my pocket, but I have to be very careful to put it in my pocket in such a way that nothing will touch the screen or buttons or else I'll end up with random stuff done when I pull it back out.
2) the camera sucks ass, even for a phone camera. and no video capability.
3) OS locks up somewhat frequently. I probably have to do a soft reset once a day or so.
4) HP refuses to provide a firmware upgrade to windows mobile 2003 Second edition, which allows landscape mode. There are third-party programs that do landscape mode, but they're kinda buggy- some dialog boxes and such will go off the screen and you can't do anything about it.

I agree with the poster who commented about the need for more innovation. There should be more PDA's with 640x480 screens, higher resolution cameras, built in GPS, radio and even tv tuners. little has happened lately in the market

What would be totally killer, for me, would be some bluetooth earphones, preferably more like those tiny in-ear hearing aids, and a bluetooth watch controller. How cool would it be to be able to control the mix between outside noise and your music, or to switch songs by turning the bezel on your watch?

Not to be an academic elitist, but according to the profiles on the QSR site:

Phil Kuekes - bachelor's degree from Yale University
Duncan Stewart - bachelor's degree from the University of Toronto and PhD from Stanford
Stan WIlliams - bachelor's degree from Rice University and PhD from UC Berkeley

You don't need a PhD to do cutting edge science, but it certainly helps to have one.

You mean like this, described in another HP paper from the quantum science group published in '03? :)

I don't know of many machines in the 15k's class. The big Itanium and Power5 machines I've seen have all been one-off machines or clusters. I'm not going to argue about the merits of large single machine vs cluster, but they are clearly not the same thing.

Obviously you haven't been looking. The eServer 595 is a 64 way Power 5 based system that is a standard configuration on IBM's website. And the HP Integrity Superdome is a 128 way IA64 based system this is a standard configuration on HP's website. Neither of those are one offs or clusters and I would say that both of them are in the 15k's class.

Given that HP are dropping PA-Risc in favour of Itanium and that Intel appear to be dropping Itanium

Where in the world did you get that Intel was dropping the Itanium?

And yeah, they may be dropping UNIX (HPUX) proper, but check out their linux support.

PA-Risc/HPUX boxes had their place in time for things like CAD workstations and things. But a regular PC with a good graphics card is just as good if not better today. A company down the hall is switching from dual PA-Risc boxes to regular dual PCs and they could afford to rebuy new equipment every year to 18months with the equivalent money that they were spending on maintenance contracts alone.

I spoke with some reps from HP last week and there was no indication whatsoever that Itanium support was going away, nor Linux support.

HP develops product with strange name and amazing powers!

People, check out their site. They do this kind of stuff all the time. It's research - not an actual product. Why aren't there stories like this every time they have a press release?

Check out this announcement that declares an extension of Moore's law for 50 years!

HP develops product with strange name and amazing powers!

People, check out their site. They do this kind of stuff all the time. It's research - not an actual product. Why aren't there stories like this every time they have a press release?

Check out this announcement that declares an extension of Moore's law for 50 years!

..the Original statement by HP and even more important HP's paper in the Journal of Applied Physics.

There are no plans to provide a native port of HP OpenVMS for any systems based on [IA32 or] AMD Opteron.

It's my understanding that you can get Debian support through HP. I know you could get per-incident before, and according to this, it looks like they support Debian as well as the "more commercial-friendly" distros.

So you're saying that a CISC CPU will actually recompile my code like a hotspot-style JVM? It'll keep track of my execution profile across context switches and reoptimize execution paths based on data acces patterns? Gosh, and all those RISC guys have going for them is branch prediction with speculative execution.

Care to give me an example of a modern CISC CPU with this marvelous ability? Is this one of the Sun MAJC chips? Or is is possible you don't know a JVM from a CPU? Or VLIW from CISC? Your ass from a hole in the ground?

I mean, surely someone as smart as you knows that CISC makes ILP more difficult, which leads to issues with threading latency and bus scheduling on multi-CPU (and now multi-core) systems. I mean, they covered all that in your community college course, right? Personally, I miss CISC CPUs. I remember hand-writing assembler for the VAX-11, now there was an instruction set! What other CPU had a CRC instruction? Or the infamous EDITPC (edit packed character)? Or a single instruction to load a process context? And what modern architecture has the FPD bit for restartable instructions (or restartable instructions, even)? Oh, and I do know what JIT means. I also know that, while PBO has been around for years, no CPU does it: the code has to be specially instrumented and run so that statistics can be generated and the resulting profile applied to a subsequent optimization pass (read: recompile and re-link). Now why don't you go cry to your homeroom teacher and let the big people talk, ok honey?

Then they would probably be happy with something like this: HP z540 Digital Entertainment Center. Not all "Media Center" PCs look like PCs.

The main thing that Java is used for at the moment is database-driven applications, where the bulk of processing is done by the RDBMS.

It is possible though to attack issues of security and reliability by improving existing architecture. Perhaps, by introducing new features into the compiler (such as the Boehm-Demers-Weiser garbage collection), or making the underlying OS less prone to buffer overflows.

OK, the EULA is probably not permitting it to be used for mission critical solutions either, but in my opinion it's one of the better commercially available OS:es. (There's even a hobbyist license available). (anybody knowing of an OS that has an EULA that actually claims that the OS is intended for mission critical use?)

I think it's about time to require that software companies are responsible for their code. There are too many simple bugs passed through every day that would have been caught if a thorough software testing was done. One tool for doing it is Purify Plus, and another is Splint.

Splint is available to the public, unfortunately it's only checking C and not C++. (anyone in the mood for implementing a C++ version?)

And not even NASA and ESA software are always bug-free, but their software is as close as you can come to mission critical applications. I wouldn't like to have a computer running Windows on a mission to Mars, it isn't stable enough.

The hardware is about as modern as it gets; remember who made the first 64-bit desktop available.

It *is* here. LightScribe is standard on all new HP desktops. Holla.

Umm.. In the case of HP I know you are getting gyped. We have HP DL380s and not only do they not come with an OS, they don't come with hard drives. We don't pay for the MS Windows OS through HP since we already have a corporate license. Here's the link for you http://h18004.www1.hp.com/products/servers/platfor ms/index-dl.html

one possibility is for MS to offer a product to allow you to stream the media from your PC to XBox and view it on your TV

This already exists ) (works with Media Center 2005). Media Center 2005 can use an XBox (or other extenders) as a satellite and stream video to it.

Hey, you might want to meet HP VMS or IBM zOS before drinking the koolaid.

You'll have a hard time convincing anyone in-the-know to run Linux on anything that isn't x86.

That is complete crap. I'll give you a couple of people who use Linux on non ia32. SGI, IBM, plenty of ARM products, Alphas used to be (not sure if they are still sold).

So I assume you'll say you know better than all these people because you have some ancient SGI MIPS machine that nobody cares about and Linux doesn't work on it, right?

How about you show a few examples of people in-the-know who run NetBSD. Yourself doesn't count.

Its strategy towards porting is "convince the rest of the kernel it's an i386 and work like that", which fails on a lot of systems which are fundamentally different from i386, even if they have some things in common (ISA isn't the same everywhere, for instance).

Sorry, Linux is ported to more CPU architectures than NetBSD, including architectures without MMUs and PPC64 (which doesn't have pagetables), neither of which NetBSD can handle.

So give me a single example of something that is i386 specific (or even i386 centric for that matter) in generic kernel code, and I'll eat my hat. If not, you are just a clueless troll.

The same clean code and clean design that allow this kind of abstraction lead to a generally clean and stable system. NetBSD's worst stability problems occur only in device quirks which haven't yet been fully understood (you'll notice Linux has the same quirks but the hacks around them are usually done earlier, since Linux contributors don't care if something is a hack or not).

I don't think you are in a position to say that Linux kernel developers don't care if something is a hack or not. You're nowhere near in their league. But give me some examples of these so called "hacks" (clue: a workaround isn't a hack by definition).

Where the hardware is non-quirky, the system simply does not encounter problems. Simple as that. You could say the same for Linux to some extent, but for Linux, achieving stability is all about quirks for everything, even where it's not needed [see the first mention of i386 'emulation' above].

I'm sorry, but you are simply wrong about this.

That's why the Linux kernel is an order of magnitude larger than NetBSD's but does not have the functionality to justify it.

The Linux kernel has an order of magnitude more device drivers, supports more CPU architectures, has orders of magnitude more filesystems (including proper journalling filesystems), can be configured to run in 2MB of RAM, or scale up to 512 CPUs and terrabytes of RAM, thousands of disks, hundreds of PCI busses...

HP will sell you a HP Compaq dx2000 "Small & Medium Business PC" for about $650 that includes Microsoft Works (not MS Office, not MS Works Suite) and Windows XP Professional. Office costs $100 more. (Select "Windows XP Professional with SP1a" for the OS.)

Gateway will sell you an E-2300 desktop for $550 with Windows XP Professional and Works Suite (which includes Word and Encarta but not Outlook). Office Basic (Word, Excel, and Outlook) costs $90 more.

Most companies that have an Exchange server buy Outlook with their PCs or have a license agreement to install it throughout the company. However, don't try to sell me this "you can't buy a business PC without Outlook" argument.

Due to the contract maintenence cost for what it is really used for now (inter-office e-mail of all things) We used ALLIN1 also for mail, we almost bought Teamlinks Mail http://h71000.www7.hp.com/commercial/teamlinks/tl_ home.html as a Windows front end for it, but instead went for MSMAIL.. and the rest is history :( Jonathan

Well, I've been an HP customer for a long time. I've also recommended them for clients and at work (to the tune of several printers, etc bought just in the last few months).

That being said, I'll be letting their CEO (Carly Fiorina) know me feelings about this, and that I will no longer recommend HP products.

Perhaps you can let her know as well?

HP has been selling the nx5000 with Suse Pro 9.1 preinstalled for months. Granted, they say the Intel Pro wireless isn't supported, but Intel has drivers for these cards at ipw2100.sf.net and ipw2200.sf.net. I believe the drivers are open source. So the only thing left is the multibay DVD+RW. But power management should work out of the box, I believe.