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So long as services like I2P and Tor are not illegal, people can access and provide otherwise filtered content.

http://www.i2p2.de/
https://www.torproject.org/

And then there's software like I2P that the user should intentionally conceal on an encrypted system.

Such a law may eventually be interpreted to mean "all shared files should be easily recognizable to police officers".

Kinda like I2P?

Anyway, if you actually want to give people a way to run encryption software on their PCs, while ensuring that anyone who seizes their machine cannot tell that any encryption has been going on, these are the hurdles that you'd have to clear.

I don't think any computer manufacturer or application vendor is going to enable encryption by default. And in the case of P2P, encryption doesn't help much without an anonymizer like I2P (which has gotten rather good lately, but still at least an order of magnitude slower than regular sharing so something on the 2-10MB range is relatively quick but full length videos take days).

I do find Soulskill's words on the subject less than well thought out, as I thought it would be obvious to techies that only an encrypted partition (not a volume file) automatically created during the initial computer setup / unpackaging would provide the kind of deniability needed escape persecution in Britain.

This is unlikely to happen unless A) PC makers somehow make it a selling point, or B) applications that want to setup an encrypted partition encourage users to "Now connect a blank external drive" for encrypted formatting and normal use with the app.

Incidentally, its trivial to turn on whole disk encryption with an Ubuntu install disc (as long as you have the alternate version)... you could even do it by accident. I wonder how such an Ubuntu setup would fare in the British courts.

Can but ain't. They're all queuing up to opt-in;

Some ISPs, including one of the market leaders Orcon, have clearly stated they will opt out and instead offer voluntary filtering software to their subscribers.

Hopefully we IPREDator before we get the filters

Sorry, but IPREDator in recent discussion, has been flagged as not quite the knight in shining armour. Best we fall back on the likes of Tor or I2P.

I experienced the same issues. Unfortunately, anyone running a Tor exit node goes on the list of active Tor exit nodes, which is visible to anyone.

As you said, many sites will block your IP if you are on this list -- maybe not explicitly because you are a Tor user, but perhaps based on blacklists they rely on third parties to come up with. The problem was first brought to my attention when my girlfriend complained she couldn't watch videos on NBC.com. I also noticed that The Pirate Bay did not seem to accept torrent uploads from Tor exit nodes.

However, the most annoying issue was that irc.freenode.org no longer allowed me to connect. They address Tor here, encouraging people to use their hidden service. Unfortunately, after following their instructions it did not work, and an email for help received no reply (yes, I could have/should have done more to contact the staff for help -- whatever).

I'm down for the struggle, but putting me on a public list of proxies so I can be, as you said, effectively blackmailed is not a good recipe for encouraging participation.

If you want to experiment with darknets and avoid being blacklisted, check out I2P. While you can reach the Internet at large via a few exit proxies, I2P is really meant to be self-contained.

That certainly is a problem. A brute force solution to that problem is to make sure the network has enough "non-government" nodes to drive down the probability figures in such analyses. I guess if the probability of identifying an end node is low enough, that also makes it less likely for the government to seek warrants. (Unless they are just trying to bring down all nodes of the network.)
The I2P website has a list of different threat models and links to related papers. I guess this one falls under partitioning attacks.

Sod it - I've got karma to buuuurn!

(Ok I checked the anon button...)

BUT seriously folks, I've been using I2P for a year now (just upgraded to 0.7.4 seconds before I read this post) and it blows the crap out of FreeNet for sheer speed and ease of use. Just make sure to have a lot of RAM on your machine and crank the bandwidth up real good. The more the give, the more you get!

Computer to phone line. Dial up to a north american ISP. They'll have a hard time filtering web content through what shows up as a phone conversation. I'd be willing to pitch in for the bill, though I doubt many companies would charge for that. Someone set up a netzero account for these people or something, I only have $6.75 in my checking account (and no credit card). Either that, or http://www.i2p2.de/ for an encrypted tor-like connection.

http://www.i2p2.de/how_networkcomparisons There are many other applications and projects working on anonymous communication and I2P has been inspired by much of their efforts. This is not a comprehensive list of anonymity resources - both freehaven's Anonymity Bibliography and GNUnet's related projects serve that purpose well. That said, a few systems stand out for further comparison: * Tor / Onion Routing * Morphmix and Tarzan * Mixminion / Mixmaster * Freenet * JAP * MUTE / AntsP2P

Never mind Freenet for this, you could use I2P which also features in-network Bittorrent. Of course if you really want to only share the torrents with an anonymising network you'll need to do modifications but at least it'll be easier when you can use existing tracker software. TOR's hidden services would work as well I suppose.

Just hosting the tracker on one of these networks is an interesting idea. It wouldn't provide any protection for the downloaders and seeders themselves but if people aren't quite ready to sacrifice download speeds at least it would shift the attention back to the people downloading again if the indexing sites/trackers were impossible to attack. It would be a step in the right direction. I can see why no-one has done this so far though.

those sites aren't much of an alternative. People are better off trying an anonymous network like I2P. Supposedly it can only handle song files in a realistic amount of time (at this point) but that is still significant to file sharers.

I think we should seriously design an underground internet, just in case we need it.

You mean like freenet? Or maybe I2P? Although under this law I can see such programs being found illegal...

Indeed. It seems that i2p is mainly a darknet. Access to the normal Internet seems not really to be encouraged.

While you *can* use i2p as a proxy to view the Internet at large via a few exit proxies, the real intent is to create and use sites and services within the i2p darknet, as all traffic therein will benefit from i2p's encrypted transport.

Within i2p there is no exit node that sees your traffic in clear text.

From the threat model document at i2p2.de (http://www.i2p2.de/how_threatmodel.html):

"I2P has no entry and exit points - all peers fully participate in the mix, and there are no network layer in- or out-proxies (however, at the application layer, a few outbound HTTP proxies exist at the moment)"

OK, now I'm really, really pissed off!!!

But the real question is: what can I do? What can *we* do?

For now, you can do your bit by using I2P

I'm not sure if I2P will be immune from DPI, and it won't be immune from usage capping, but it's a noble cause.

All it needs is some "anonymizing" P2P network to appear and it will go all the way back down the big snake to square 1.

I2P with I2PSnark (built in.) Fully anonymous, encrypted Bittorrent with acceptable performance.

It's the Anonymous network dance!

You can share if you want to
You can slow down to a crawl
But at least you will be safe
Sixty-five kay in a cave
But detection chance is small!

http://torproject.org/
http://www.i2p2.de/
http://gnunet.org/
http://freenetproject.org/

Yes it will be affected.
If the email is delivered to someone using their ISPs' mail server in the UK then it will be included in the great fishing expedition.

For mailing death threats to Jacqui Smith I recommend Susimail on http://www.i2p2.de/

Try the following:

I2P net
MUTE/ Kommute/ Ants/ Dargens
Alliancep2p.com
Filetopia.org
GNUNet
Rodi
Emscher ...and probably more.

Some of these like I2P use bittorrent over their anonymized network (a BT client is built into I2P but you can use some others... Note that Azureus aka Vuze has I2P support built-in!)

It's time to start integrating identity protection into p2p technologies. I2P is the natural choice and has come a long way since its humble beginnings.

I think it's high time we move on to filesharing methods that actually protect our identity.

Time for I2P and Tor on a cellphone?

I2PSnark is their bittorrent client, check it out.

Here is a short Howto for I2P.

They are still trying to gain a critical mass but the network essentially works.

What's people's real world experience of Freenet?

Tried it every time a new major version is released.

Does it work and is it usable?

It works, yes. Is it usable? No, because compared to the standard net, it's horribly horribly slow. Besides that, due to the nature of Freenet, all sites are static and because there are so few sites there, and a high percentage of grey area or plain illegal content, almost all sites link to sites which link to sites which link to child porn.

I2P is a much more promising project. It's basically an encrypted, anonymizing IP-layer on top of IP so the web sites that are running there are normal fully interactive web sites running PHP, Rails or whatever. There is also BitTorrent, IRC and many other things running on top of it. The only difference from the normal net is that there is no way to tell the real IP or location of neither the server nor the user connecting to it.

And this is why we need Tor, i2p and Freenet.
Anonymity online, and not being tracked by people with ridiculous reasons, it's what they provide and what people need (especially now that China, the UK, the US and I thought Sweden as well, are tracking their own citizens).

I've only played with i2p a bit, but I know you shouldn't try to download from dev.i2p.net.

I think the box crashed locking everyone out, and no one knows who has access to it.

Look at http://www.i2p2.de/download.html

And you linked to an IP address, why?

http://www.i2p2.de/

The picture sucks, though -- I think I know how it's supposed to work, but looking at that, I have no clue what it's trying to say.

Or if you want to go a step further: use I2P for the entire download. That way, you're also fully anonymous.

Use Tor and/or I2P. I2P's new website is http://www.i2p2.de/index this is also open source. I used it off and on for a couple years. I haven't for 9 months or so, but did clean install recently and planning on using it again. I just have to find another Firefox proxy instead of SwitchProxy since it interferes with my saved sessions in Tab Mix Plus's (use a lot). In response to GIFC's tools being infected. Use www.VirusTotal.com and scan it with them, they use many Anti-Virus vendors (I think that's what that anonymous user posted) and if Kaspersky and NOD32 don't show any problems then chances are it's safe.

True. Tor is not meant for such a thing.
i2p is!
It is, however, an internal network. Meaning: you only download what's can offered in the network, not things from the 'regular' internet. Of course that means there'll be less things to download than in a regular network, but you'll be safe and anonymous.