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No offence meant to your brother here, but your evidence that the Taliban is evil is that your brother, a foreign soldier and member of an occupying army, has been attacked?

Wow.

Afghanistan has a legally formed government based on UN monitored elections. The Taliban is trying to overthrow that and reestablish their dictatorship. Along the way they are chopping off heads and hands, blowing up markets with bombs, hanging 7 year olds as spies, banning kite flying, destroying schools, driving out or killing foreign aid workers, and working hand in glove with the drug cartels. The main reason the brother was there to begin with was the Taliban government hosted Al Qaeda, who greatly admired the Talibans work in building a 7th century society, and allowed them to use Afghanistan as a base to conduct their campaigns of terror, shooting, bombing, and killing tens of thousands with the goal of bringing this sort of governance to the entire world in stages. None of this seems to set your "moral sensitivities" a tingling. All I can say is, wow. You don't really seem to have much claim to be a commentator on evil and other people's views. No offense.

When the Allies occupied Germany in 1945, who was evil then? Apparently it would be consistent with your thinking that it was the Allies.
Now that the US and its allies have withdrawn from Iraq, is this now a bad thing? Or was it still bad before?
Since the US and its NATO allies are still in Afghanistan, does that mean this is OK with you? How can it be bad if there are "occupiers" in the country?

You left out at least one group - the Taliban (well, several actually). The Taliban aren't freedom fighters (I would think that would be a mistake that is hard to make), they are wannabe conquerors trying to retake the nation to impose a religious dictatorship on them. And yes, they do play dirty, just like Al Qaeda.

Taliban hang 7-year-old boy for "spying"

Comments like yours fill me with a sense of despair for the future because there are so many people like you.

You despair for the wrong reason.

Essentially, you're the kind of person who would be absolutely shocked if, after you smeared dog shit on someone's face, they got mad at you for smearing dog shit on their face. Rather than note the obvious fact that they got pissed because you just smeared dog shit on their face, you'd have to come up with some justification for what you did, like, "he has freckles and hates people who don't."

I think you would be shocked to actually learn what is going on since you don't actually seem to know, or really have a good idea. This ultimately isn't about the US, it is about them - the Islamist extremists, their goals, and aspirations. Their kind was conquering and killing for hundreds of years (more like 1,000) before the US came along. Read Bin Laden's demands in his Letter to America. His first actual demand is that the United States convert to Islam. Second, he wants the Constitution replaced with Sharia law in all its glory: stone the adulterer, crush homosexuals under walls or throw them off of buildings, whip the immodest, chop off the hands of thieves, no drugs or alcohol, no interest charged on loans, and all the rest. That isn't a demand to "stop smearing shit on my face", that is the demand of a man determined to see the world under Islamic rule even if it takes 1,000 more years. This was a man who wanted to see the restoration of the Islamic Caliphate, which existed until ~ 1924. Their grievances is that Islam has fallen from its former glory, and they intend to restore it. They want to retake Spain which pushed out Islamists rulers hundreds of years ago.

  What al-Qaida Really Wants

If you want to despair, then do it over the fact that this conflict could easily continue for 20, 50, or 100 more years as these flare ups of Islamist extremism do. Or Londonistan , or Eurabia

In a shrinking world, the extremists will probably never be far away.

Think about this: POVERTY, EDUCATION, AND TERRORISM

These facts should be well known by now. How is it that people keep getting this wrong eleven years after 9/11/2001?

At the The Other September 11th, the Battle of Vienna, the Islamist attackers were outside the gates trying to get in. In future battles, we will find them inside the gates, and too many of the defenders of the West ignorant and in doubt, or even ready to throw in with them.

As I wrote, you despair for the wrong reason.

Minor mistake on the statistics. It's four in ten women in turkey, not one in four. That's 40% of women. And those who think this is limited to muslims in "those" countries -- sorry. 6 out of 10 Imams in Sweden were recently found to be giving out illegal advice on domestic abuse. And that's according to Swedish state tv. I don't see why so many in the west insist on shoving their heads in the sand in the name of "tolerance" (as if domestic violence was something that deserved tolerance). If a holy book tells people to do something, there is a pretty good chance they will.

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A non-peaceful religion - like Islam - is where adherents are told to convert or die, have their heads cut off if they don't convert, subjects members of other religions to derogatory and humiliating extra taxes and second-class legal status or worse, sentences people to death for converting away from it, and starts wars of conquest to enlarge the areas in which they can practice barbarism openly.

I can cherry-pick passages too! Let's try the Bible! What does it say about idolators? What does it say about practicing "witchcraft"? How about what happens to those who turn away from god? How about picking up sticks on the sabbath?

Numbers 15: 32 ... 35: And while the children of Israel were in the wilderness, they found a man that gathered sticks upon the sabbath day. (...) And the LORD said unto Moses, The man shall be surely put to death: all the congregation shall stone him with stones without the camp.

Exodus 22:18 : Thou shalt not suffer a witch to live.

Leviticus 26:30 : And I will destroy your high places, and cut down your images, and cast your carcases upon the carcases of your idols, and my soul shall abhor you.

Leviticus 20:2 : Again, thou shalt say to the children of Israel, Whosoever he be of the children of Israel, or of the strangers that sojourn in Israel, that giveth any of his seed unto Molech; he shall surely be put to death: the people of the land shall stone him with stones.

Deuteronomy 29 : 18 - 22 :
Lest there should be among you man, or woman, or family, or tribe, whose heart turneth away this day from the LORD our God, to go and serve the gods of these nations; lest there should be among you a root that beareth gall and wormwood;

And it come to pass, when he heareth the words of this curse, that he bless himself in his heart, saying, I shall have peace, though I walk in the imagination of mine heart, to add drunkenness to thirst:

The LORD will not spare him, but then the anger of the LORD and his jealousy shall smoke against that man, and all the curses that are written in this book shall lie upon him, and the LORD shall blot out his name from under heaven.

And the LORD shall separate him unto evil out of all the tribes of Israel, according to all the curses of the covenant that are written in this book of the law:

So that the generation to come of your children that shall rise up after you, and the stranger that shall come from a far land, shall say, when they see the plagues of that land, and the sicknesses which the LORD hath laid upon it;

etc. (it keeps on going about the curse for a while)

How to tell the difference between a peaceful religion and a non-peaceful religion.

A peaceful religion - like Buddhism - is where adherents are invited to attend, learn, discuss, and ultimately choose whether or not to accept the tenets and philosophy of the faith. A member of a peaceful religion may set himself on fire in protest of the mistreatment of others, but will not actively attempt to harm another person.

A non-peaceful religion - like Islam - is where adherents are told to convert or die, have their heads cut off if they don't convert, subjects members of other religions to derogatory and humiliating extra taxes and second-class legal status or worse, sentences people to death for converting away from it, and starts wars of conquest to enlarge the areas in which they can practice barbarism openly. They may also be religions that were founded by hyper-polygynists who may or may not have been pedophiles (remind you of anyone else?)

In short:
- A buddhist will set himself on fire to protest your mistreatment of other people.
- A muslim will set your kids on fire to protest your open practice of another religion if you live in a Muslim country.

Difference not difficult to determine.

Shocker: Turkish think-tank recommends Turkey as model for "Arab Spring" revolutions

Losing Turkey to the Islamists

The Trouble With Turkey

‘Islam Is Islam, And That’s It’

Islamist Turkey vs. Secular Iran?

The fact that it also covers up government wrong-doing, like spying on American citizens

It is hard to understand why the government would ever engage in surveillance of American citizens, isn't it? You've got to wonder, what are they thinking? Are they stepping over the line?

And that's not all - at times it's almost like they are guided and operating according to something other than criminal law, almost as if they had a body of law that nobody else knows about that lets them do things like shoot dead large numbers of people, en masse, legally, with neither trial nor warrant. How could that be? Does Congress know about this? Does Congress approve?

The recruiter: Anwar al-Awlaki, portrait of an American jihadist CNN: Al-Awlaki threatens Americans
40 Americans Have Joined Al Qaeda Group
U.S.-educated Misunderstander of Islam pleads guilty to jihad war crimes, turns government witness

FBI’s Top Ten News Stories for the Week Ending January 27, 2012

Denver: Man Arrested for Providing Material Support to a Designated Foreign Terrorist Organization

Jamshid Muhtorov was arrested by members of the FBI’s Denver and Chicago Joint Terrorism Task Forces on a charge of providing and attempting to provide material support to the Islamic Jihad Union, a Pakistan-based designated foreign terrorist organization. Full Story

Baltimore: Man Pleads Guilty to Attempted Use of a Weapon of Mass Destruction in Plot to Attack Armed Forces Recruiting Center

U.S. citizen Antonio Martinez, aka Muhammad Hussain, pled guilty to attempted use of a weapon of mass destruction against federal property in connection with a scheme to attack an armed forces recruiting station in Catonsville, Maryland. Full Story

Washington Field: Man Pleads Guilty to Shootings at Pentagon, Other Military Buildings

Yonathan Melaku, of Alexandria, Virginia, pled guilty to damaging property and to firearms violations involving five separate shootings at military installations in northern Virginia between October and November 2010, and to attempting to damage veterans’ memorials at Arlington National Cemetery. Full Story

FBI’s Top Ten News Stories for the Week Ending January 13, 2012

1.Tampa: Florida Resident Charged with Plotting to Bomb Locations in Tampa

A 25-year-old resident of Pinellas Park, Florida was charged in connection with an alleged plot to attack locations in Tampa with a vehicle bomb, assault rifle, and other explosives. Full Story

2.Baltimore: Former Army Solider Charged with Attempting to Provide Material Support to al Shabaab

A man who secretly converted to Islam days before he separated from the Army was charged with attempting to provide material support to al Shabaab, a foreign terrorist organization, and was arrested upon his return to Maryland after traveling to Africa. Full Story

Sounds like this would be great for powering our tanks. They are big. They are heavy. They already use turbines (rather than internal combustion). And the crews are already well shielded from the fuel tanks and the turbines...

Load the tank with 100 gram of thorium and it can cross Iraq or Afghanistan several times over before needing to refuel — a major headache resolved.

Is there even one Muslim country where porn is not outlawed?

Is there even one Muslim country where porn is not found?

No. 1 Nation in Sexy Web Searches? Call it Pornistan

Random connection: Exclusive: Pornography found in bin Laden hideout: officials

Far more troubling than the porn:

"I hope that Kuwait will enact the law for...sex slaves"
"When I want a sex slave, I just go to the market and choose the woman I like and purchase her"

Pakistan: In the Land of Conspiracy Theories
What explains those crazed conspiracy theories running wild in Pakistan?

Is there even one Muslim country where porn is not outlawed?

Is there even one Muslim country where porn is not found?

No. 1 Nation in Sexy Web Searches? Call it Pornistan

Random connection: Exclusive: Pornography found in bin Laden hideout: officials

Far more troubling than the porn:

"I hope that Kuwait will enact the law for...sex slaves"
"When I want a sex slave, I just go to the market and choose the woman I like and purchase her"

Pakistan: In the Land of Conspiracy Theories
What explains those crazed conspiracy theories running wild in Pakistan?

Is there even one Muslim country where porn is not outlawed?

Is there even one Muslim country where porn is not found?

No. 1 Nation in Sexy Web Searches? Call it Pornistan

Random connection: Exclusive: Pornography found in bin Laden hideout: officials

Far more troubling than the porn:

"I hope that Kuwait will enact the law for...sex slaves"
"When I want a sex slave, I just go to the market and choose the woman I like and purchase her"

Pakistan: In the Land of Conspiracy Theories
What explains those crazed conspiracy theories running wild in Pakistan?

That is one of the worst citation mangling cases I have seen in a while. Moderated troll for only lifting the parts that support your argument from the linked doc and then attempting to speak with authority. Feeble when the sources are one click away

You are a sad little troll. You aren't part of the Electronic Jihad by any chance? Or maybe simply practicing Taqiyya?

Please read the links. They support my statements, although I wish they didn't. I would prefer that we could live in peace.

Another useful story: What al-Qaida Really Wants.

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if you want some actual information check out jihadica and the other blogs it links to - guess that's as close as you can get to the sources without actually speaking Arabian.

How many terrorist attacks of any sort have taken place in Sweden or The Netherlands?

Sweden had its first suicide bombing this last weekend. The Netherlands have seen a number of killings, perhaps to some disturbing views: Dutch Muslim: 'Murder is normal'.

How many middle class persons of any country - people two or three times above that country's poverty line - have parked an explosives-laden truck next to a building and blown it up?

The middle class are strongly represented among terrorists and leaders of terrorist organizations. Here are just a few examples, there are many more:

“Doctor’s Plot” Trial Examines Unexpected Source for UK Terrorist Attacks
MOHAMMED ATTA - 9/11 Ring Leader
Dr. Ayman al-Zawahiri (MD) - Al-Qaeda's theological leader

It might be easier if this was all about poverty and social safety nets, but that isn't the case. Increasing numbers of young Muslims born and raised in the West are taking up arms and bombs to kill in the name of what they call Jihad. They are being radicalized in Western Europe.

The poverty/terror myth

How many terrorist attacks of any sort have taken place in Sweden or The Netherlands?

Sweden had its first suicide bombing this last weekend. The Netherlands have seen a number of killings, perhaps to some disturbing views: Dutch Muslim: 'Murder is normal'.

How many middle class persons of any country - people two or three times above that country's poverty line - have parked an explosives-laden truck next to a building and blown it up?

The middle class are strongly represented among terrorists and leaders of terrorist organizations. Here are just a few examples, there are many more:

“Doctor’s Plot” Trial Examines Unexpected Source for UK Terrorist Attacks
MOHAMMED ATTA - 9/11 Ring Leader
Dr. Ayman al-Zawahiri (MD) - Al-Qaeda's theological leader

It might be easier if this was all about poverty and social safety nets, but that isn't the case. Increasing numbers of young Muslims born and raised in the West are taking up arms and bombs to kill in the name of what they call Jihad. They are being radicalized in Western Europe.

The poverty/terror myth

That is one of the worst citation mangling cases I have seen in a while. Moderated troll for only lifting the parts that support your argument from the linked doc and then attempting to speak with authority. Feeble when the sources are one click away

You are a sad little troll. You aren't part of the Electronic Jihad by any chance? Or maybe simply practicing Taqiyya?

Please read the links. They support my statements, although I wish they didn't. I would prefer that we could live in peace.

Another useful story: What al-Qaida Really Wants.

So your case is that it is wrong to expect no innocent pregnant women or children to be shot at checkpoints, or adults murdered during interrogation by our military?
We're not talking about mistakes made in the heat of battle

You and your team are manning a traffic control point in Baghdad. A car is speeding toward you at 40 MPH - it will be on you in 20 seconds. It is ignoring the multitude of signs in Arabic and English warning that a checkpoint is ahead, to slowdown and stop, and that deadly force is authorized to enforce the checkpoint. You flash lights - no effect. You fire a warning shot with tracers - no effect. Now, do you:

A) Hold fire because it might be that 1 in 10,000 cars with a pregnant woman on her way to the hospital. (And you've had many vehicles with pregnant women stop before.)

B) Open fire to halt the car to avoid being killed in a bomb blast, attack, or whatever.

C) Run away and hope that you get out of the blast zone from a couple of hundred pounds of explosives (fat chance).

Your answer? A? Let's see what you won for you and your team!

So, we are, in fact, talking about things that happen, very quickly, at random times, by surprise, in the heat of battle, as a result of the driver not obeying signs and signals to stop, deliberate provocation, suicide by police, a tragic accident, or a deliberate attack.
And lets not forget that Al Qaeda and company have been known to force or trick people into attacks, including children and the mentally ill, or to hide a bomb in someone's vehicle and explode it remotely without them knowing about it. You will be just as dead from 10 kilograms of explosive in the hands of the mentally ill as you will be from 10 kilograms of explosives in the hands of a university trained electrical engineer turned suicide bomber.
Mentally Disabled Female Homicide Bombers Blow Up Pet Markets in Baghdad, Killing Dozens
Iraq: girl suicide bomber may have been forced into it by husband's "female relatives"

Expecting that American troops won't murder prisoners is reasonable. When a detainee has died (murder or otherwise), it has generally been investigated and, if warranted, the guilty punished. The US has safely processed and released many tens of thousands of detainees in Iraq and Afghanistan.

I'm curious... you seem comfortable slandering American troops, do you ever condemn Al Qaeda for any of the vile attacks they deliberately commit?

I guess you've fallen behind on Taliban press releases and activities.

Late last week, just four days after the documents were published, death threats began arriving at the homes of key tribal elders in southern Afghanistan. And over the weekend one tribal elder, Khalifa Abdullah, who the Taliban believed had been in close contact with the Americans, was taken from his home in Monar village, in Kandahar province's embattled Arghandab district, and executed by insurgent gunmen.

I don't know why anyone would expect anything else given their sensibilities and tendencies toward killing the innocent. And don't forget, the hand of the Taliban is reaching beyond their borders.

I'm willing to bet there are no terrorists whatsoever, this is all just mass hysteria, induced by opportunistic politics, grabbing of attention and votes, selling tons of security equipment, services, jobs, contracts, news, etc.

Regarding your bet, don't give up your day job.

Maybe you haven't heard, but an organization called Al Qaeda declared war on the United States, and essentially the rest of the world for not following their blighted form of Islam. You can read some of the goals of their leader, Osama Bin Laden, in Bin Laden's letter to America. As you can see, he has a fundamental hostility to democracy, non-Islamic religious belief, and many of our basic freedoms. He demands that we convert to Islam, give up democracy, drop the separation of church and state, and change many aspects of our culture or he and his minions will keep trying to kill us. He demands that we stop drinking alcohol, charging interest on bank loans, start separating the sexes, punishing homosexuality, oppress Jews, etc.

The sort term goal they have is to overthrow the governments in Arab & Muslim countries to install religious dictatorships to impose their narrow brand of Islam. They also hope to limit the spread of freedom and other "Western" ideas. Ultimately they plan to take over the world in a reborn Islamic super state. It sounds far fetched, but that is their goal. They understand that it might take 1,000 years, and that they are just moving the ball forward.

You can see a limited list of their handiwork below:

The most recent attempted bombing
The Underwear bomber
African Embassy Bombing
9/11 suicide attacks
Bali bombing
Madrid bombing
7/7 bombing in London
Another of the countless bombings in Iraq
Pakistan hotel bombing
Hotel bombing in Jordan
The "shoe bomber", and his current hijinks
Plan to attack Wembley stadium
Plan to bring down seven airliners
Attempted bombing in Germany

PS - In order to cut down on the confusion, a simple rule of them you can use is that "mass hysteria" doesn't tend to leave craters and stip the walls off buildings, collapse buildings, or rips bodies apart by shrapnel.

Breaking news: MinLove reminds us that Al Qaeda still loves us, has always loved us, and many of our best friends, and wants to love us even even more in future! Al Qaeda can only love us. We should meditate on why they do not love us as often as other people. Make your holiday plans now, destinations are filling up!!

You talked to him? Before or after?

I didn't need to.

All you have to do is pay attention to the news coverage over the issue and less attention to the talking heads putting out words to suit their agendas. Sure, the link was from an Agenda driven sight, but it's a quote from a NYT article.

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In an unbiased frame of mind, examine your beliefs ask yourself:
'What are the facts that lead me to believe in this man?'
Do I have any substantiated facts or am I basing my judgment on feelings and/or hearsay?
Do I believe the press and what I have been told?
Have I really done any thorough research about this man?
What is the truth behind the veil?
What is his true agenda?

Speaking of freedoms... If you do enough research and
1. Get a look at the whole picture on a *global level (* to include influences outside the US )
2. Are a US Citizen possessing any shred of patriotism
3. Grasp the true foundations of this country and what our founding fathers intentionally laid out for us in the Constitution.
4. You are a Christian or at least have enough first hand knowledge of the Gospel of Jesus Christ from actually reading it to understand #3 in it's entirety.

Then you may understand what the fate of this Country and your freedom is.
Nobel's, Linux, and anything else you value here are Immaterial.

Look no further than the U.K. to see what is coming.
http://www.jihadwatch.org/2008/09/america-as-the-last-man-standing.html

http://www.youtube.com/watch_popup?v=tCAffMSWSzY#t=28
http://www.obsessionthemovie.com/clips.html
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jM6US0Qk5_8

It's somewhat like saying that during the 20s and 30s when the Klan was at the height of its power that it's OK to repeat Klan talking points, just don't be the one that's actually throwing the bombs.

and yet the klan is no longer at the height of it's power, despite the US having no hate speech laws. How did that happen? Let's do more of that, rather than abridge freedom of speech.

The first amendment has never been absolute, there's always been prohibitions on things such as threats, libel and slander allowing for an extra penalty for the extra damage that hate speech does when it crosses the line is perfectly reasonable.

We had a case here in Australia of two christian guys been done over in court (eventually overturned on appeal) over inciting religious hatred against Muslims. Most people would probably find these guys to be over the top. However, during the case they were apparently asked to stop reading from the Koran because it was vilifying to muslims. (Apparently, because I can't find the source reference, only mention of it on blogs, jihadwatch etc, http://www.jihadwatch.org/dhimmiwatch/archives/001050.php)

Case can be found here:
http://www.austlii.edu.au/cgi-bin/sinodisp/au/cases/vic/VCAT/2003/1753.html
http://www.austlii.edu.au/cgi-bin/sinodisp/au/cases/vic/VCAT/2004/2510.html
http://www.austlii.edu.au/cgi-bin/sinodisp/au/cases/vic/VCAT/2005/1159.html
http://www.austlii.edu.au/au/cases/vic/VSCA/2006/284.html

This is a short introduction to Koran and the first lines are about the UK

http://www.jihadwatch.org/archives/025558.php

A Finnish MP is being prosecuted because he had the temerity to point out that Mohammed had sex with a nine-year old girl called Aisha, whom he married when she was aged six - details here.

The fact is, he's right.

You're quoting a story from a website called "jihadwatch" that links to an article from a self professed tabloid. Excuse me while I yawn.

A Finnish MP is being prosecuted because he had the temerity to point out that Mohammed had sex with a nine-year old girl called Aisha, whom he married when she was aged six - details here.

The fact is, he's right. From the JihadWatch article:

The collection of traditions of Muhammad that Muslims consider most reliable, Sahih Bukhari, affirms in no less than five places that Aisha was six when Muhammad took her and nine when he consummated the marriage (vol. 5, bk. 58, no. 234; vol. 5 bk. 58 no. 236; vol. 7 bk. 62 no. 64; vol. 7 bk. 62 no. 65; and vol. 7 bk. 62 no. 88). It is also in Sunan Abu Dawud (bk. 41 no. 4915), another of the Sahih Sittah, the six hadith collections Muslims accept as most reliable.

So, the man that is considered by Islam to be the ideal role model, capable only of 'human errors in judgment in minor things with good intentions', was also a child rapist.

The reason that Islamic groups worldwide are pushing for blasphemy laws - and using them when they're available - is to silence people who point out facts like that.

Oh, well I guess that must mean they don't exist. You know, I've never been mugged while walking around town, so I guess that means my city's crime statistics are all bullshit.

Wrong. It means you shouldn't judge the entire society based on the actions of a few.

It's something that's commonly referred to as brainwashing.

No. As I said, watch "Arna's children"... occupation/colonization breads violence.

Muslims don't make long term truces with infidels, only short term ones for their own benefit. Explanation here.

Nice sweeping generalisation again. And to support that, you provide a link to a website that thinks FrontPage mag(*) is worthy of being listed first at the top of their website. If that's the only stuff you read, I'd suggest you stop reading completely. You'll be wiser for it...

(*) Michael Horrowitz is quite the islamophobe biggot.

When and where have I read zionist literature?

See the link you provided...

You're assuming it's colonization.

It's not an assumption. It's a fact.

Nice sweeping generalisation. I've been in Palestine, and I didn't run into children soldiers.

Oh, well I guess that must mean they don't exist. You know, I've never been mugged while walking around town, so I guess that means my city's crime statistics are all bullshit.

But if you want to understand how a decent kid grows up to be a fierce fighter or a suicide bomber...

It's something that's commonly referred to as brainwashing.

Hamas was elected because they offered an alternative to the corrupt Fatah. Also, Hamas has softened its stance over the recent years, and has offered a long term truce to Israel.

Muslims don't make long term truces with infidels, only short term ones for their own benefit. Explanation here.

But may I suggest you take off your blindfold and do a little research beyond reading zionist literature.

When and where have I read zionist literature? First people try to convince me I'm a Jew, and now I have supposedly read zionist literature. Wow.

colonization of Palestine

You're assuming it's colonization.

ISLAMABAD, Pakistan -- A gang of Pakistani militants executed two alleged U.S. spies in front of thousands of cheering supporters Friday as a top U.N. official expressed fears that Pakistani government peace deals with the gunmen were sparking a wave of human rights abuses. At least 5,000 people gathered by a stream in the Bajur region to watch the executions, which highlighted the power of local Taliban forces in the lawless tribal areas near the Afghan border.

Thousands of cheering supporters. But hey, I guess it doesn't count since I don't personally know them, right? Yeah, that makes a lot of sense.

Fine. You can start by reading Jihad Watch and Dhimmi Watch.

Fine. You can start by reading Jihad Watch and Dhimmi Watch.

Ooh. That really put me in my place. I congratulate you sir - you are clearly a master of debate.

Your comments indicate otherwise.

I think you may qualify as xenophobic as well.

Dude, you can quote yourself as many times as you like, but doing so will not make any of your claims any less ridiculous. At best, it seems that you actively seek out sources of information that reinforce your pre-conceived notions and dismiss out-of-hand any dissenting point of view. That's fine, you can believe whatever you want - but please don't try to pass it off as enlightenment.

Oh really? Perhaps you might want to reconsider one of those two statements...

Presumably you believe yourself to be of the former, even though your posts indicate that you are a slightly more polite version of the latter. But that's the key - your entertainment value is that you are desperately trying to portray bigoted opinions as the product of reason and wisdom.

Ooh. That really put me in my place. I congratulate you sir - you are clearly a master of debate.

Your comments indicate otherwise.

I think you may qualify as xenophobic as well.

Dude, you can quote yourself as many times as you like, but doing so will not make any of your claims any less ridiculous. At best, it seems that you actively seek out sources of information that reinforce your pre-conceived notions and dismiss out-of-hand any dissenting point of view. That's fine, you can believe whatever you want - but please don't try to pass it off as enlightenment.

Oh really? Perhaps you might want to reconsider one of those two statements...

Presumably you believe yourself to be of the former, even though your posts indicate that you are a slightly more polite version of the latter. But that's the key - your entertainment value is that you are desperately trying to portray bigoted opinions as the product of reason and wisdom.

Oh please, the idea that the UK is a hairs breadth from going Sharia is utter bullshit put out by the right-wing media to scare people.

The actual threat in this country comes from the far right whose rhetoric you are mouthing. The BNP, with financial support from certain people in America, managed to basically double their share of the vote each time over the past few elections. The Daily Wail and other such trash papers have got about 60% percentage of the British public believing in key BNP policy points.

Our main threat is not from angry young Muslims who wouldn't know an explosive device from a gas canister.

The threat is from white youths who attack racial minorities converting that undirected anger into support of a fascist regime.

Oh please, the idea that the UK is a hairs breadth from going Sharia is utter bullshit put out by the right-wing media to scare people.

The actual threat in this country comes from the far right whose rhetoric you are mouthing. The BNP, with financial support from certain people in America, managed to basically double their share of the vote each time over the past few elections. The Daily Wail and other such trash papers have got about 60% percentage of the British public believing in key BNP policy points.

Our main threat is not from angry young Muslims who wouldn't know an explosive device from a gas canister.

The threat is from white youths who attack racial minorities converting that undirected anger into support of a fascist regime.

Just to name a few off the top of my search results:

http://www.jihadwatch.org/archives/020445.php
http://littlegreenfootballs.com/weblog/?entry=22835_Jawa_Report_Video_Censored_by_YouTube&only
http://hotair.com/archives/2006/10/06/youtube-goes-dhimmi-part-two/

Hmmmm. Uk.... terror plots.... IMs to Pakistan.... web based training.... emails to cell members.... "Jihadi" web sites.... So I guess it's funny because it could be true?

Police have foiled 15 terror plots in Britain since the 2000, Ian Blair reveals

The suicide bombers who met at McDonald's: Image shows meeting with '7/7 terror plotter'

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I would think most people would prefer avoiding another 7/7 attack.

Well, carry on with the snarky comments then. After all, that's what keeps us all safe, isn't it? Certainly it couldn't have anything to do with the security services based on the typical post on Slashdot. And never forget Bin Laden's gracious peace offer. All we have to do is convert to Islam as nations, abolish our respective constitutions and replace them with Sharia, start enforcing strict Islamic morality (which will mean killing homosexuals and blasphemers, no more alcohol, drugs, charging interest on loans, pornography, fornication, etc., etc.), then Bob's your uncle - peace! And look, the necessary infrastructure and supporting institutions are already coming into place, supported by leading religious figures. If converting to Islam is too high a price for you, there is even an Islamic alternative for many of you.

Here's a whole load

A Muslim author and critic of Islamic fundamentalism who was baptized a Catholic by Pope Benedict said on Sunday Islam is "physiologically violent" and he is now in great danger because of his conversion.

"I realize what I am going up against but I will confront my fate with my head high, with my back straight and the interior strength of one who is certain about his faith," said Magdi Allam. ...

Writing in Sunday's edition of the leading Corriere della Sera, the newspaper of which he is a deputy director, Allam said: "... the root of evil is innate in an Islam that is physiologically violent and historically conflictual." ...

He said before converting he had continually asked himself why someone who had struggled for what he called "moderate Islam" was then "condemned to death in the name of Islam and on the basis of a Koranic legitimization." ...

ANOTHER DEATH SENTENCE

Allam, the author of numerous books, said he realized that his conversion would likely procure him "another death sentence for apostasy," or the abandoning of one's faith. ...

Watch out.

This guy's going to get killed by some Muslim. For the Islamic crime turning his back on Islam because it's inherently violent. And oh yes, "apostasy" is punishable by death - per the Koran.

Those "moderate Muslims" who claim that there is no such direction from the Koran are lying to you. Period. They're lying.

Ask Theo Van Gogh about that.

Oh wait, you can't. Muslims killed him for daring to criticize Islam.

So, your "moderate Muslims" are liars:

KORAN

It is clear quite clear that under Islamic Law an apostate must be put to death. There is no dispute on this ruling among classical Muslim or modern scholars, and we shall return to the textual evidence for it. Some modern scholars have argued that in the Koran the apostate is threatened with punishment only in the next world, as for example at XVI.106, "Whoso disbelieveth in Allah after his belief -save him who is forced thereto and whose heart is still content with the Faith but whoso findeth ease in disbelief: On them is wrath from Allah. Theirs will be an awful doom." Similarly in III.90-91, "Lo! those who disbelieve after their (profession of) belief, and afterward grow violent in disbelief, their repentance will not be accepted. And such are those who are astray. Lo! those who disbelieve, and die in disbelief, the (whole) earth full of gold would not be accepted from such an one if it were offered as a ransom (for his soul).Theirs will be a painful doom and they will have no helpers."

However, Sura II.217 is interpreted by no less an authority than al-Shafi'i(died 820 C.E.), the founder of one of the four orthodox schools of law of Sunni Islam to mean that the death penalty should be prescribed for apostates. Sura II.217 reads: "... But whoever of you recants and dies an unbeliever , his works shall come to nothing in this world and the next, and they are the companions of the fire for ever." Al-Thalabi and al -Khazan concur. Al-Razi in his commentary on II:217 says the apostate should be killed.

Similarly, IV. 89: "They would have you disbelieve as they themselves have disbelieved, so that you may be all like alike. Do not befriend them until they have fled their homes for the cause of God. If they desert you seize them and put them to death wherever you find them. Look for neither friends nor helpers among them..." Baydawi (died c. 1315-16), in his celebrated commentary on the Koran, interprets this passage to mean: "Whosover turns back from his belief ( irtada ), openly or secretly, take him and kill him wheresoever ye find him, like any other infidel. Separate yourself from him a

What about the violent passages in the Bible?

First, violent Biblical passages are irrelevant to the question of whether Islam is violent.

Second, the violent passages in the Bible certainly do not amount to a standing order to commit violence against the rest of the world. Unlike the Quran, the Bible is a huge collection of documents written by different people at different times in different contexts, which allows for much greater interpretative freedom. The Quran, on the other hand, comes exclusively from one source: Muhammad. It is through the life of Muhammad that the Quran must be understood, as the Quran itself says. His wars and killings both reflect and inform the meaning of the Quran. Furthermore, the strict literalism of the Quran means that there is no room for interpretation when it comes to its violent injunctions. As it is through the example of Christ, the "Prince of Peace," that Christianity interprets its scriptures, so it is through the example of the warlord and despot Muhammad that Muslims understand the Quran.

We only have Lionhearts words for what the police want to question him for.

Frankly, from a man who has already managed to spew death threats at U.S. Conservative supporters (Google "Lionheart BNP" to see how Little Green Footballs dropped him like a hot potato), I doubt that his acts in the U.K. were any more peaceful, especially given his Neo-Nazi connections.

Lionheart is a Neo-Nazi, and Nazism is impossible to advocate without incitement to violence. Murdering the lesser people, and calling for murder, is part and parcel of the ideology.

Who are the people who are willing to stand up and be counted with Jewish people in the United Kingdom and around the World? It is me and people like me no matter what the cost to ourselves because it is the right and just thing to do and I personally have some very good Jewish friends. Another Holocaust - Not in my life time!

The same devil driven spirit and motivation that was behind Hitler and his Nazi party...

As for the riots in Brussels, you Neo-Nazi kooks...

... are the first to scream and yell in approval and applaud if the police hits on left-wing demonstrators. How does it feel now the shoe's on the other foot, eh?

And as for what I advocate or not, stick your strawman where you can stick your swastikas.

You tell me you know/are pretty sure/whatever then prove it. Don't affirm thing you imagined. Your imagination and belief is no proof. You're too lazy and dumb (or have you never been in the army?) buthere you go.

Like I already told you, it's an absurd claim. You might as well call me lazy and dumb for not attempting to refute the claim that soldiers deployed to Iraq are equipped with water pistols.

I'll spare you the effort of clicking:

I don't see how this proves that as a rule US troops are not educated in laws of warfare. Abu Ghraib was a total fuckup in general, and it occured years ago.

I will not link to previously linked articles (as you obviously did not even click on the links) which show executions of prisoners and wounded... or is that part of the Geneva Conventions?

This is the old "since the US military is not perfect, they're all savage murderers" argument.

Am I? I lived in different countries, cultures and places. I adapt quite well. And I understand how rules are applied and enforced in the places I live. I talk to people come to know and understand them and their story... listen to their personal stories. As an immigrant I learn to play by the local rules.

Doesn't mean you can't be a multiculturalist drone. You certainly sound like one.

Have you been assaulted by someone looking a bit tanned? This would explain a shift of stance and a perception of continual persecution (you display this erratic behavior in most of your posts).

My shift of perception started when I began to wonder why Muslims all over the world were having fits of hysterical, homicidal rage over some pictures drawn in Denmark. Speaking of which, caricatures of Mohammed recently caused a few deaths in Nigeria.

I'm sorry but linking to a website blocked by corporate firewalls for being racist / Islamophobic is not the greatest source.

Hah hah. A site run by former Muslims is Islamophobic and racist. That's a good one. Maybe you shouldn't blindly trust some stupid webfilter. Many Finnish ISPs maintain a blacklist of sites provided by the police. Before I switched to OpenDNS, I was regularly prevented from accessing absolutely 100% legal sites because the idiots in charge of the list weren't too specific about what sites they included.

I have been reading that. I can't say it's journalism... Linking Ottoman invasions to justify the war in Iraq is basically sick. But you might find comfort in this kind of "stories".

As I suspected, this is hopeless. You will simply deny historical facts because they just don't happen to fit your ideology.

My god you formidably fail to read (or understand) the main piece of information and bounce on the less relevant part. The word terrorism is well defined... Oxford English Dictionary: "government by intimidation". But is was quite extended. Despite that the definition of the invasion of Iraq falls into most definitions you can find.

A lot of words are well defined. Doesn't mean they can't be abused until they lose all meaning.

Yes... I see you are quite limited.

How the fuck can you argue that being serious is trolling? That's completely batshit crazy.

I should stop assuming everyone has the same level of knowledge... My quote was a reference to the deep problem of French immigration policy, to the political tensions and other factors which led french youth from lower classes to the streets as well as set french students on strike (political leftist sabotage and agitation). Please don't use the French riots as an example as you are too far from the topic.

Similiar riots (and other problems) occur in many others places in Europe. Immigrants from

Not only stupidly funny, but also terrible and frightening

Some other web-pages:

• http://thereligionofpeace.com/
• http://www.jihadwatch.org/
• http://www.islam-watch.org/
• http://www.faithfreedom.org/
• http://frontpagemagazine.com/
• http://www.familysecuritymatters.org/
• http://counterterrorismblog.org/

I am by nature a very tolerant person, but it is time for all good people to actively refute the ideas of the intolerant fundamentalists of all stripes. I am appalled that there are politicians in the USA who think it is OK to condemn people due to their religious beliefs, or lack of belief. For example, Bush isn't sure atheists are citizens. Some politicians think they should be able to tell you what you do in the privacy of your own home. But these guys are pikers compared to Religious fundamentalists. Even peaceful, tolerant Canada had to deal with this, Teen killed by father, and if we scoot over to Afghanistan we have the Taliban executing people who dare to try to educate girls.

Peaceful discourse is our best weapon.

Happy New year.

Just some stuff I have in my bookmarks.

http://www.jihadwatch.org/archives/015804.php
http://www.stuff.co.nz/4006289a12.html
http://www.khaleejtimes.com/DisplayArticleNew.asp?xfile=data/theworld/2007/June/theworld_June713.xml&section=theworld
http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,25197,22663795-601,00.html
http://www.news.com.au/story/0,10117,21403909-2,00.html?from=public_rss
http://www.news.com.au/story/0,23599,21525531-421,00.html
http://www.news.com.au/story/0,23599,21785791-421,00.html
http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/story/0,21985,22286025-661,00.html
http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/story/0,,21359123-661,00.html

As it is, if I were a moderator, I'd either not give you any points or would mod you flamebait, because you're pretty clearly ignorant of Medieval Islamic civilization.

Spain, under the Moorish rule, was by far the most advanced state in western Europe, and its medical, mathematical and scholarly abilities were greater than that of Rome that had existed centuries before.

It was via Muslim scholars that a great deal of Classical Greek learning and philosophy was saved.

As it is, if I were a moderator, I'd either not give you any points or would mod you flamebait, because you're pretty clearly ignorant of Medieval Islamic civilization.

Spain, under the Moorish rule, was by far the most advanced state in western Europe, and its medical, mathematical and scholarly abilities were greater than that of Rome that had existed centuries before.

It was via Muslim scholars that a great deal of Classical Greek learning and philosophy was saved.

No...
They are called Fatwa's (See Salmon Rushdie)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_well-known_fatwas#Fatwas_promoting_violence_against_a_particular_individual

and Jihad's
http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs/2006/11/islamic_jihad_i.html ...the Islam Defenders' Front says it is religiously permissible to murder ...

So that their religion will dominate
http://atheism.about.com/od/islamicextremism/a/daralharb.htm

And well, just kill you because you upset us.
http://2008vote.wordpress.com/2007/07/04/islam-versus-islam-violence-within-islamic-community-is-it-not-a-price-to-pay-for-hating-the-world/

Or even sillier, let's kill a lot of our own people because you upset us.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/4684652.stm
At least five people have been killed in Afghanistan as protests against European cartoons mocking the Prophet Muhammad swept across the country.

Oh... yea... almost forgot.
They do incidentally set things on fire when they get mad
http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/asiapcf/02/05/cartoon.protests/index.html
Muslims burning embassies.

http://www.biblenetworknews.com/africa/112202_nigeria.html
Muslim mobs burn churches, over 100 killed, Christians retaliate ...

http://www.jihadwatch.org/archives/014647.php
School principal and teacher killed, bodies burnt in Thailand's Muslim south...

Of course, exploding random people who happen to be near other faintly valid targets* is more their lines. That and kidnapping random people and beheading them.

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* while I don't want our young americans to die, I recognize that they are in a foreign country and are legitimate military targets. However, the children near them, the random shopkeepers (who are also islamic) are not valid targets by any shred of the imagination.

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We get the message- piss christians off and they will complain, march, vote, etc. Some people that call themselves christians will murder but the rest of christians will be shocked and say it is a bad thing. In fact christians are much more likely to beat the hell out of each other for wearing a Teasip shirt into an OU bar (and it was an oklahoma church deacon at that!) than over a religious issue. And I say that as a non-christian.

But if I piss off a islamic people, those that do violence to me will be silently supported by the islamic community. Around the entire world, they repeatedly get caught bombing, murdering, kidnapping, etc. people. If it goes on, we really do have a war of civilizations setting up.

And for that reason, I'm glad that they are anti-science.

Why don't we try:

http://americancongressfortruth.com/

and

http://jihadwatch.org/

and

http://www.apostatesofislam.com/

and

many many more sources of the truth about Islam.

Islam is all about hate for anything not Islam.

Ed