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What Did You Change Your Mind About in 2007?

chrisd writes "The Edge 2008 question (with answers) is in. This year, the question is: 'What did you change your mind about and why?'. Answers are featured from scientists as diverse as Richard Dawkins, Simon Baron-Cohen, George Church, David Brin, J. Craig Venter and the Astronomer Royal, Lord Martin Rees, among others. Very interesting to read. For instance, Stewart Brand writes that he now realizes that 'Good old stuff sucks' and Sam Harris has decided that 'Mother Nature is Not Our Friend.' What did Slashdot readers change their minds about in 2007?"

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  1. I like Harris' line ... by ScrewMaster · · Score: 5, Funny

    Mother Nature is not now, nor has she ever been, looking out for us.

    I would go further and say that, not only is she not looking out for us, but Mother Nature is a bitch.

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    1. Re:I like Harris' line ... by superash · · Score: 1, Offtopic

      I tend to disagree on the part that mother nature should look after us. Who are you blaming after all? What is mother nature? I just can't wrap my head around the entity that is blamed here?

      Are you blaming earth for being so imperfect with all the volcanoes and earthquakes? Are you blaming yourself for continuously degrading the environment thus making it harder for you to live?

    2. Re:I like Harris' line ... by wizardforce · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Who are you blaming after all? What is mother nature? I just can't wrap my head around the entity that is blamed here? Are you blaming earth for being so imperfect with all the volcanoes and earthquakes? Are you blaming yourself for continuously degrading the environment thus making it harder for you to live?

      you... need to go outside more.. mother nature she "loves" you, specifically she loves to attempt to kill you at every chance she gets, that's why we develop technology to enforce the restraining order against her.
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    3. Re:I like Harris' line ... by canadian_right · · Score: 4, Insightful

      "Mother Nature", AKA the natural laws of the universe, doesn't care about us one way or the other. Mother Nature isn't even aware we exists as Mother Nature is NOT aware of anything. Attributing awareness to 'mother nature' is irrational.

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    4. Re:I like Harris' line ... by ScrewMaster · · Score: 1

      What is with you people? Can't you recognize a JOKE when you see one? And why don't you read Harris' letter, in which you would have realized that he was saying the same thing you are.

      Cripes.

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      The higher the technology, the sharper that two-edged sword.
    5. Re:I like Harris' line ... by ScrewMaster · · Score: 1

      mother nature she "loves" you, specifically she loves to attempt to kill you at every chance she gets, that's why we develop technology to enforce the restraining order against her.

      That is one of the funniest things I've read lately.

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      The higher the technology, the sharper that two-edged sword.
    6. Re:I like Harris' line ... by Timinithis · · Score: 2, Funny

      No, Mother Nature is a Whore....

      A Whore will screw everybody...a biatch will screw everybody *but* you.

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    7. Re:I like Harris' line ... by knisa · · Score: 1

      Reminds me of GLaD...

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    8. Re:I like Harris' line ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      Monty Burns: Oh, so Mother Nature needs a favor? Well, maybe she should have thought of that when she was besetting us with droughts and floods and poison monkeys. Nature started the fight for survival and now she wants to quit because she's losing? Well, I say "hard cheese"!

    9. Re:I like Harris' line ... by ScrewMaster · · Score: 1

      Yes, well, I was referencing one of the common Murphy's Laws. I figured everyone would get that.

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      The higher the technology, the sharper that two-edged sword.
    10. Re:I like Harris' line ... by mcpkaaos · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Attributing awareness to 'mother nature' is irrational.

      You must be new around here (humanity), because that's just what we do. Almost everything we do not understand is assigned an identity, a personality, and it almost always wants to hurt you (or burn you in hell forever... out of love).

      In any case...

      Mother Nature is NOT aware of anything

      how are you so sure?

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      It goes from God, to Jerry, to me.
    11. Re:I like Harris' line ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sorry, being a SOFB is not a logically sound way to prove your point.

    12. Re:I like Harris' line ... by yotto · · Score: 1

      My problem isn't that he said it so much as realized it this year and changed his mind about it.

      But I guess we all move at different speeds.

    13. Re:I like Harris' line ... by kestasjk · · Score: 3, Insightful
      I like the quote from Dawkins: (I forget which book, the wording may not be exactly right)

      Nature is neither good nor evil, just completely and utterly indifferent
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    14. Re:I like Harris' line ... by StarfishOne · · Score: 1
      "Mother Nature is NOT aware of anything"


      ..is mentioned on a site where jokes about Schrödinger's cat are common. She might not be aware, but she's watching if you're watching. ;)

    15. Re:I like Harris' line ... by BeanThere · · Score: 2, Informative

      Stop anthropomorphizing Mother Nature! (I'd add "She hates that" if it weren't so obvious :)

      Seriously though, there is no such thing as "Mother Nature".

    16. Re:I like Harris' line ... by BeanThere · · Score: 0, Redundant

      how are you so sure?

      Well, let me know when we discover the giant neural network linked to everything on the planet, sensing what's happening all over, making decisions about what it wants to do with Earth based on what's happening, and manipulating the environment to implement those decisions. Until then, I'm just going to assume that there is absolutely no such thing as Mother Nature AT ALL, no evidence for it, and just a lousy metaphor that got so out of hand that belief in it has effectively become a counterproductive pseudo-religion (honestly, too many people don't realise it's just a metaphor; I don't think it's a coincidence either that in effect all the abovementioned characteristics commonly ascribed to Mother Nature are also ascribed to God).

    17. Re:I like Harris' line ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      this was supposed to be a funny post, but the mods and everyone that followed it haven't the sense of humor I expected. oh well... free karma :)

    18. Re:I like Harris' line ... by Schemat1c · · Score: 1

      I would go further and say that, not only is she not looking out for us, but Mother Nature is a bitch. This 'bitch' is the very process that brought you into being in the first place. Life only exists through the destruction of other life, if you can't handle that maybe you should move to a different universe.
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    19. Re:I like Harris' line ... by geekoid · · Score: 2, Informative

      Easy. It's not living, it is only a set of reactions. A complex set, but that is all.

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    20. Re:I like Harris' line ... by try_anything · · Score: 1

      You must be new around here (humanity), because that's just what we do.
      I think you're the one who's new around here, if you think people don't behave irrationally, or that there are still people who believe otherwise. The only people who believe human beings are rational are certain economists, and they only believe it for a highly technical definition of "rational."
    21. Re:I like Harris' line ... by Fael · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Funny... I imagine that's what your cells are telling each other about you right now.

      (Of course, cell language is pretty limited - that's probably the only words they know.)

    22. Re:I like Harris' line ... by GoofyBoy · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Thats what I imagine what Mother Nature is saying about us.

      "THAT'S what you consider as an example of intelligence?!?!?"

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    23. Re:I like Harris' line ... by ScrewMaster · · Score: 1

      Dude, grow a sense of humor. You'll live longer.

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      The higher the technology, the sharper that two-edged sword.
    24. Re:I like Harris' line ... by croddy · · Score: 1

      Killing you and giving you good advice aren't mutually exclusive.

    25. Re:I like Harris' line ... by josephdrivein · · Score: 1

      mother nature she "loves" you, specifically she loves to attempt to kill you at every chance she gets, that's why we develop technology to enforce the restraining order against her.

      She's been succeeding since the beginning of humanity.
    26. Re:I like Harris' line ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Don't be silly. "mother nature" doesn't exist; there is no entity that could possibly love us OR want to kill us, or that could even care about us in any way whatsoever.

      Nature just *is*. If you get radiation poisoning, do you say, "oh, my, father uranium sure seems to be out to get me"? Of course not; doing so would be ridiculous. The same's true for "mother nature".

    27. Re:I like Harris' line ... by klovn · · Score: 1

      Mother Nature is a drunk old man who pisses his pants and blames you!

    28. Re:I like Harris' line ... by Firethorn · · Score: 1

      they only believe it for a highly technical definition of "rational."

      Not to mention only on average, as well.

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    29. Re:I like Harris' line ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      it's not "Mother Nature", it's father Nature, and he takes pleasure in torturing his children. The sooner we will be able to leave the home and get set up on our own somewhere in the asteroid belt or in the Oort cloud, the better. Let him rage all alone.

    30. Re:I like Harris' line ... by justo · · Score: 1

      well, we -did- plug up the bowels to the mississippi delta... if you had constipation, you'd use whatever resources at your disposal to get your shit out before it poisons you with its toxins. katrina made an effective enema.

      i rather like to think we're mother nature's fleas. except we're making her scratch more and more each day until she's gonna get rid of us like the dinos.

    31. Re:I like Harris' line ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So true. I think the best example is the old "The Outer Limits" from the 90s. Each time a scientist tries to prolong life, some weird energy or force tries to stop him. It's like a secular religion. It always amazes me that otherwise smart people who don't hesitate to apply technology to everything else, have irrational beliefs about the limit of the life span of humans. Or reasons why we shouldn't prolong life. When I point out that cancer is natural and that they shouldn't seek technological treatments to cancer, all of a sudden it's not the same thing, etc. Weird.

    32. Re:I like Harris' line ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      "Life only exists through the destruction of other life"


      How did life start on Earth? In other words, you're full of it. Life exists only because the Sun burns 4.3 million tons of matter per second. Think about it and get back to me.

    33. Re:I like Harris' line ... by Dysproxia · · Score: 1

      Who is she talking to?

    34. Re:I like Harris' line ... by Evil+Pete · · Score: 1

      Heh heh. Quite awhile back I was watching an Open University program (in Australia) about Australian ecosystems or whatever. The presenter said something like "In Australia, Mother Nature is guilty of child abuse", after discussing the horrible regularity of droughts, fires and floods through almost the entire continent. This has always been my biggest objection to the environmental movement, their belief in "The Balance of Nature" as some wonderful, magical thing belongs in some mythical part of Europe where the weather is much kinder. But for most of the Earth it's adapt or die.

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  2. Pizza instead of Chinese by KingSkippus · · Score: 1, Funny

    I really wish I had eaten pizza last night instead of ordering takeout Chinese.

    Other than that, I can't think of anything.

    1. Re:Pizza instead of Chinese by dgatwood · · Score: 1

      WARNING: A satirical, humorous post begins here. If you can't take a joke, stop reading now. If you are offended by this, it's your own fault for continuing to read this post. Your problem, not mine.

      You know what I changed my mind about? It's everyone. I used to think this planet had great potential, full of people trying to make the world a better place. Now, I see that most people on the planet are a bunch of stupid hypocr...

      Oops, sorry, wrong speech. That's the one I'm supposed to give while drunk. What speech was this again? Oh, yeah. The speech for New Year's. Okay. Let's try this again.

      You know what I changed my mind about? It's everyone. I used to think this planet was made up of a bunch of self-centered assholes who put other people down to make themselves look better and have nothing better to do than read about some celebrity---like that Jamie Lynn girl getting pregnant or her big sister's parenting issues---and revel that their lives aren't quite as bad, all while going out, getting drunk, and beating their wives. Now I realize that most people are good, hard-working, decent people who try to make a good living for themselves, do right by their families, and make the world a better place in whatever way they can.

      You know what else I changed my mind about? It's Slashdot. I used to think that you were all a bunch of virgin nerds with no social skills who couldn't get a date if your pocket protectors came with a free roofie. Now, I realize that Slashdot is a diverse group of people with a wide variety of opinions, backgrounds, genders, and... well, really only two of that last one... but you get the point.

      Finally, I also changed my mind about something else: sanity. I used to think that sane was something you either are or aren't. Now, I realize that we're all a little nuts in our own little ways, and we have to learn to deal with each other as human beings even if we do hold our children out fourth story windows or drunk a little drive or wash the sidewalk with horse urine or smoke a banana. What's wrong with that? I mean, if you can look me in the eye and say that you've never once thought it would be fun to run around in a fruit suit while singing "Have yourself a berry little Christmas," then...

      Ah, you know what else I changed my mind about? I changed my mind about making this post.

      Oops.. I think I sent it again.

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    2. Re:Pizza instead of Chinese by jc42 · · Score: 1

      WARNING: A satirical, humorous post begins here. ... Finally, I also changed my mind about something else: sanity. ...

      So I read your post expecting to laugh, but where's the joke? It all sounded much more rational and sane than the OT political rants that preceded it.

      Oh, well, back to the political rants ...

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  3. Okay, I'll bite. by DeusExCalamus · · Score: 0

    Unix.
    [Peorth@Avalon ~]$ uptime && uname -a 12:52PM up 19:03, 1 user, load averages: 0.11, 0.05, 0.02 FreeBSD Avalon 6.2-RELEASE-p9 FreeBSD 6.2-RELEASE-p9 #0: Thu Nov 29 04:07:33 UTC 2007 root@i386-builder.daemonology.net:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/GENERIC i386

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  4. Outsourcing actually isn't to bad by johnjaydk · · Score: 2, Interesting
    I learned that offshore outsourcing isn't to bad after all. It's actually quite an asset.

    It has a disciplining effect on the entire organization since the punishment for immaturity is harsh and tangible.

    An additional benefit is that it has a rather sobering effect on local know-it-all's when they see that their work is in fact inferior to what we can get from a third world sourcing partner. After this sort of ego bruising they are more ready to accept modern and mature practices.

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    1. Re:Outsourcing actually isn't to bad by east+coast · · Score: 5, Funny

      Congratulations on your promotion to management.

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    2. Re:Outsourcing actually isn't to bad by caluml · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Yeah, cos people work best with the threat of losing their jobs hanging over them.

    3. Re:Outsourcing actually isn't to bad by rthille · · Score: 1

      Outsourcing or not, it's important to get the right skill level for the job, or plan for training. The trouble we have is we have a large, complex, code base, and we had too much turnover with the engineers in India. Also, the time difference can be a big impact when you've got a day for the round-trip of question-answer-review...

      (btw, writing 'too' as 'to' makes you sentences more difficult to understand)

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    4. Re:Outsourcing actually isn't to bad by Znork · · Score: 3, Interesting

      "I learned that offshore outsourcing isn't to bad after all."

      And next year you'll have learned that offshore outsourcing isnt so cheap after all.

      Well, maybe not next year, but the writing's on the wall; between the lackluster performance of the dollar and the (almost) pan-asian economic overheating and inflationary meltdown, as well as the young sourcing partners growing up and aquiring their own managerial fat and rigidity, you'll find the balance shifting once again.

      Personally I've been overjoyed to have some foreign colleagues; suddenly there are actually people I can send work to when we are far too overloaded to do anywhere near all that needs to be done.

      "After this sort of ego bruising they are more ready to accept modern and mature practices."

      Yes, well, what goes around comes around. Dont expect temporary phenomena to last forever; you may find yourself in the position to have to kiss and polish those egos once again, so if I were you I'd concentrate a bit more on the positive aspects rather than gloating and fostering discontent.

    5. Re:Outsourcing actually isn't to bad by The+Seventh+Sign · · Score: 1

      Ha! Wait until you outsourced enough jobs no one in the US can afford your products. Don't think it is happening just look at Chrysler, Ford, and GM. Look at the clothes your wearing i bet you money after a while those who are buying your bs will stop over time due to cost. Think you can sue your way to profits I suggest you look at sco. Enjoy your wealth for the moment because in the long run you will not have much of it left. TSS

    6. Re:Outsourcing actually isn't to bad by Seumas · · Score: 1

      Right. That's exactly the problem with outsourcing. It is a whipping stick used to make everyone remaining in the company feel thankful just to have a job, rather than demanding things like raises for hard work and dedication and various other compensations. "Look, if you don't reduce yourself to the mentality of a wage-slave -- or even a real slave -- we'll just ship your position out to some guy in a country where his rent is cheaper than what you spend on milk for your cereal in a month". It is the most irrational and immature management tool available.

      I can't wait until middle management and the slew of recent MBAs find themselves in the same position as so many of our engineering and support bretheren.

    7. Re:Outsourcing actually isn't to bad by wtansill · · Score: 1

      An additional benefit is that it has a rather sobering effect on local know-it-all's when they see that their work is in fact inferior to what we can get from a third world sourcing partner. After this sort of ego bruising they are more ready to accept modern and mature practices.
      By golly, I've been waiting for someone to step up to the plate and be honest with the American worker -- fat, overpaid, lazy, too cozy in their narrow view that their work can't be done by anyone else! I say we show them all! And, of course, the best way to lead, is by example. I propose that we start at the top! Outsource the CEO, President, hell, even the Chairman of the Board! After all, we've had far too many examples recently of massive incompetence
      1. Stan O'Neal at Merrill Lynch walked away with no explicit severance, but with salary, stock, and retirement benefits, left with 160+ million after steering the company to at least a 4-5 billion dollar loss (source: http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601109&refer=home&sid=aPxzn5U8zNBo/).
      2. Mitchell Caplan cost E*Trade billions, and they had to get a 2.5 billion dollar cash infusion (for 17% of the company). Can't find an exact severance, but he was paid over 14 million in total compensation in 2003 alone (source: http://swz.salary.com/execcomp/layouthtmls/excl_execreport_103364.html/, so I don't feel too badly for him.
      3. Citigroup is writing down billions in assets. Chuck Price left, but according to the WSJ (Link here: http://online.wsj.com/article/SB119403363814780742.html/ will walk away with about $31 million or so.
      I say, enough is enough! It's high time we bring in some CEO's from India, China, hell, even Mexico or some other third world country. If we're going to run our corporations into the ground, at least we can it with cheaper senior management! I'm mad as hell and I'm not gonna take it anymore!!!
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    8. Re:Outsourcing actually isn't to bad by MrHanky · · Score: 1

      You seem like a rather mean-spirited character. Hopefully this year you'll learn a lesson or two about the effects of punishment.

    9. Re:Outsourcing actually isn't to bad by Lance_Denmark · · Score: 1

      I've often pondered this - doesn't outsourcing only temporarily increase profits? I recently phoned my satellite t.v (Sky) provider and got through to an offshore call centre, when I had cause to do the same a few years previously the call centre was located in the U.K. Presumably the British person I had spoken to some years previously had lost their job, and I'm pretty sure the first thing they would have cut from their budget would have been luxuries like satellite t.v? If all companies followed Sky's lead (which in the main they are) just who do they think will be paying £40/month for satellite t.v?

    10. Re:Outsourcing actually isn't to bad by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This was part of what happened in the US housing market. Lenders and sellers never believed they could saturate the market with million dollar homes. What they failed to see (or were unable to understand or unwilling to determine and thus ignored) is that there is a limit on the number of people who can afford to buy those homes.

      I spoke to one person sitting on a high value property in California at the height of the boom. I asked "Who are the people buying these homes and what do they do?" His response was, "Technology workers." When I suggested that there was a limited market of millionaires or of people who had incomes to support paying off a million dollar home loan, his response was to tell me I was wrong. I think his ARM is due to reset this month.

      Sky has probably examined their market demographics and concluded that there is a large enough potential market for their product, for now. If that market becomes saturated to the point where there is no further expansion to be made, they will have to reprice their offerings (probably, they will simply offer fewer channels or whatnot). Also, the subscription fee they charge is generally cost recovery...They make most of their money through advertising sales (and charges to content providers). Of course, all they need do is take fewer profits out of market A to get the market share they want. Of course, if someone finds something better and more lucrative for those laid off call center workers to do in the meantime, Sky will never have to lower their subscription fee or their profit margins...That, I suppose, would be the best outcome for everyone.

    11. Re:Outsourcing actually isn't to bad by Lumpy · · Score: 1

      The beatings will continue until morale improves around here!

      sorry sir, I beat the piss out of them and even threatened them and they are still not happy.. Can we try shooting or hanging them? maybe that will make them happier.

      I know we all joke about this but I have noticed that the current trend in managers at corporations are just that, educated managers that have zero skills managing people and have no desire to change. I was one of those old-skool managers in IT. I would bring in dough nuts and food to my guys on a regular basis, I would certainly feed them well on overtime nights, and tell them all the time they were doing a good job.

      I was informed in a "management seminar" at the company that such things were to be stopped in the company as they are ineffective. I interrupted right there and asked what data do they have to back it up and they had none other than "That's how I always did things" and I countered with I had proof that what I was doing was in fact a benefit and not only improved productivity but also reduced the employee churn when bonuses and raises and even budget cuts were announced.

      I was basically told to shut up and sit down. I left the company shortly thereafter. Most corperations dont want efficient and low costs, they want it "done my way" or " I saw this in Business 2.0" and that is insane.

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  5. Ron Paul and the war by argoff · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I changed my mind about the war in Iraq because of Ron Paul. I was always sympathetic to the idea of bringing liberty to those overseas, but it is clear now that the source of liberty is individual choices not government ones. Ron Paul made it clear and final that the war is not helping the freedom of the people over there, and it is obviously not helping the freedom of people over here, and is directly responsible for the rise of a police state mentality in the USA, and is contributing greatly to our ongoing economic collapse. As Ron Paul once said, if we want wars all over the planet and want the government babying people from cradle to grave - then we must have an IRS and massive debt. But if we want freedom and liberty, then yes we can get rid of them.

    1. Re:Ron Paul and the war by Wonko+the+Sane · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Who said anything about bringing liberty to anyone? The only thing I heard GW talk about was exporting democracy.

      I'd be much happier if the US was really in the business of exporting liberty.

    2. Re:Ron Paul and the war by Auckerman · · Score: 1

      Sometimes I wonder about how people think. The invasion of Iraq was planned in the late 90s (Remsfeld, Cheny, Wolfowitz) and executed the moment it was politically possible. Most of the US media fell short on it's responsibility to inform people of the papers written by the architects of the war and the real reasons for the invasion and allowed the administration to lie to the people. Because of this, America was able to fall under the umbrella of belief that somehow Iraq and 9/11 go hand in hand.

      After a time, it became a case of liberating people. We have been liberating the hell out of those people for a while now. Killing people is not liberating them. The chaos that has resulted from our invasion is not freedom.

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    3. Re:Ron Paul and the war by aichpvee · · Score: 1, Insightful

      If we should be in support of exporting anything (except goods MADE IN USA) it should be secularism. Liberty and democracy will follow from that.

      And GP: It's kind of sad that it took a lunatic like Ron Paul to finally see something so blatantly obvious, but congratulations anyway. I sincerely hope you are not supporting him though. The guy is an anarchist, creationist, and at the very least a promoter of racists.

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    4. Re:Ron Paul and the war by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The guy is an anarchist, creationist, and at the very least a promoter of racists.

      Seriously, read his site instead of the left wing drivel that you've obviously succommed yourself to. You'll find that the only thing that's true is that he's a creationist, and that he's adamant about that being a personal belief and not one that he wishes to push on the American people.

    5. Re:Ron Paul and the war by moosesocks · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I apologize if this comes across as a troll, but WTF do any of those things have to do with Ron Paul?

      Libertarians have been tossing those ideas around forever. Ron Paul brings absolutely nothing new to the table, apart from a dose of religious insanity, and a rather hypocritical view on states' rights (a Ron Paul administration would almost certainly result in vastly larger and more powerful state governments)

      Although I agree that the US Federal government needs to be cut back, we can't do so by outsourcing governmental functions to private corporations, or allocating powers previously held by the fed to the individual states. Likewise, there are a few limits to how far the cuts need to be made -- healthcare and education in the US are a joke, and there is absolutely no evidence that the private sector is willing to fill that void.

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    6. Re:Ron Paul and the war by mcpkaaos · · Score: 1

      Who said anything about bringing liberty to anyone?

      W did. First, we liberated the Iraqi people from a tyranimal dictatator. Then we started up with the democracy.

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    7. Re:Ron Paul and the war by QRDeNameland · · Score: 3, Funny

      Who said anything about bringing liberty to anyone?

      Well, Cheney did say we'd be greeted as liberators. However, I believe he misspoke and meant to say we'd be greeted as obliterators.

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    8. Re:Ron Paul and the war by Wonko+the+Sane · · Score: 1

      While I am sympathetic to the idea, exporting secularism sounds suspiciously like exporting islam or exporting christianity.

      Democracy isn't necessary for liberty, it just seems to easier that way. It is conceivable to have liberty with democracy, and obviously you can have democracy without liberty.

    9. Re:Ron Paul and the war by Cerebus · · Score: 1, Troll
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    10. Re:Ron Paul and the war by bigstrat2003 · · Score: 2, Insightful
      First point: secularism is no guarantee of liberty. Religion is no guarantee of tyranny... I remind you that this country was first settled by Puritans.

      Second point: Ron Paul being a creationist is completely irrelevant to his ability to be a good president. Religious views have no bearing on one's ability to run the country.

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    11. Re:Ron Paul and the war by Grishnakh · · Score: 2, Informative

      Libertarians have been tossing those ideas around forever. Ron Paul brings absolutely nothing new to the table,

      Ron Paul's contribution is bringing libertarianism into the mainstream, something the likes of Harry Brown never did before.

      and a rather hypocritical view on states' rights (a Ron Paul administration would almost certainly result in vastly larger and more powerful state governments)

      How is that hypocritical? Paul's message is not that we need less government everywhere (though that helps), but really that we need to go back to the way the country was before the Civil War, where the Federal Government had less power, and the States had more power. That's the main message. Yes, his administration would result in larger and more powerful state governments, which is exactly the way it should be. If I don't like something at the Federal level, my vote will have virtually no effect in a population of 300+ million. But if I don't like something at the State level, it's far more feasible for me to have an effect on my State politicians in my state of 5 million, where my representatives live a few miles from my home.

      For a parallel, look at modern Europe. France, Germany, Italy, etc. are all separate countries with vast differences between them, but they're all in a Union where they share the same currency, have free trade, and do some things together. This is more like what America started out as, and should return to. If California wants to create a massive welfare state, that's fine: they can tax their own citizens to pay for that silliness. Meanwhile, those of us in other states shouldn't be forced into paying for their problems.

      The States need to start solving their own problems, and coming up with their own solutions that are best suited for them, instead of relying on the Federal government to make inefficient one-size-fits-all solutions for everything. I'll happily pay more taxes to my State government in return for abolishing the IRS and Federal income taxes.

    12. Re:Ron Paul and the war by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, no. Cheney was correct. We have been greeted as liberators, the fifth definition of.

    13. Re:Ron Paul and the war by tilde_e · · Score: 1

      I changed my voter registration to Republican because of Ron Paul.

    14. Re:Ron Paul and the war by Grishnakh · · Score: 3, Informative

      First point: secularism is no guarantee of liberty. Religion is no guarantee of tyranny... I remind you that this country was first settled by Puritans.

      I would also like to remind people that Saddam Hussein was a secularist, as was Josef Stalin. It was only our Administration that tried to paint Hussein as being in league with the Islamists, which was obviously untrue, but it doesn't take much to make the morons who vote in America to believe in a lie.

      Not that I care much for religiosity either, but let's keep our facts and history straight (after all, the Taliban were highly religious, and Afghanistan under their rule wasn't a fun place to live either).

    15. Re:Ron Paul and the war by Monkeys+with+Guns · · Score: 1

      You started your second point in a good way. It is true that Ron Paul's creationism has no bearing on his ability to be a good president. Religious views do, however, have a huge bearing on one's ability to run the country. Look at Bush. He thinks that he takes orders from an invisible sky wizard. He's doing a terrible job running the country, largely as a result. Bush uses his god as an excuse to push his ideas on others. Paul knows that his ideas are not always right for everyone and would not force them on others. I don't mind a creationist president who won't try to control education. I don't mind a president who likes abstinence only education if he knows that he doesn't have the power to force it on everyone else. Ron Paul will follow the constitution, not his own warped view of a bronze age desert survival guide.

    16. Re:Ron Paul and the war by bigstrat2003 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      No, you have the right idea, but you missed it by a bit. Religious views still have no bearing on one's ability to run the country. What you're talking about is someone letting their religious views dictate how they run the country, which is a very bad quality, but is separate from their religious views.

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    17. Re:Ron Paul and the war by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why don't you try posting the entire quote?

      "Indeed, it is shocking to consider the uniformity of opinion among blacks in this country. Opinion polls consistently show that only about 5% of blacks have sensible political opinions, i.e. support the free market, individual liberty, and the end of welfare and affirmative action.... Given the inefficiencies of what D.C. laughingly calls the "criminal justice system," I think we can safely assume that 95% of the black males in that city are semi-criminal or entirely criminal."

      Assuming he himself said it(no ghostwriter) what he's saying is that anyone who does not support the free market, individual liberty, and the end of welfare and affirmative action is a criminal.

      The other half of your post doesn't even need a rebuttal.

    18. Re:Ron Paul and the war by MightyMartian · · Score: 1

      What the fuck does Ron Paul put in your koolaid. Grow up. He's a politician, not a god. He's a fucking libertarian lunatic who doesn't seem to know that libertarianism was rejected as a model for the US when the Union kicked the living fuck out of the Confederacy.

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    19. Re:Ron Paul and the war by oldenuf2knowbetter · · Score: 1

      ...and the Puritans came here to escape what? Oh, yes, the religious tyranny they were subjected to.

    20. Re:Ron Paul and the war by brxndxn · · Score: 1

      I don't know how anyone would modify the parent insightful. If you do believe that Ron Paul may indeed be a 'racist whack-job', then please do your own research rather than relying on a single partisan Slashdot post.

      Ron Paul is not racist. He's an individualist who is against the liberal notion of putting people in groups. He states that this 'group mentality is inherently racist.'

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    21. Re:Ron Paul and the war by MightyMartian · · Score: 5, Insightful

      The Neo-cons have a rather odd view of the world and of the nature of power. They are the political equivalents of the economists of the 1920s; both essentially asserting that the old rules don't apply. In the 1920s everyone assumed that the Capitalist boom-bust cycle was over for good, that it was going to party days forever. The Neo-cons felt the same way about American power after the fall of the USSR, that the US was a hyperpower that could have nearly unlimited global influence. Iraq has demonstrated that the US is no different than Rome was in its day, a mighty military power, but not so mighty that it can't get overextended or get itself into military fiascos that have very direct political consequences.

      The US now faces a 21st century with a rising China (something that clever folks have in fact been predicting for a couple of centuries) and Russia recovering from its wounds and taking back its position as a pre-eminent Old World power. Europe, despite a lot of roadbumps, is making a growing, vibrant political union, and I suspect in the long term it will become a Neo-Rome, controlling the Mediterranean.

      The Neo-cons have weakened the United States at the very moment when it should have been mustering its resources to prepare for the new order. They thought they can short-circuit the historical trends, and by flying the American flag on distant lands and bringing democracy that they would retain uncontested pre-eminence. They seriously misread the reconstruction of Japan and thought that it could be a roadmap for the Middle East, to safeguard oil supplies and put in friendly powers.

      It's time for Americans to start reading their history, to start understanding that the United States is not some blessed land, but is an empire like any, and that it is just as vulnerable as any in history.

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    22. Re:Ron Paul and the war by moosesocks · · Score: 2, Interesting

      How is that hypocritical? Paul's message is not that we need less government everywhere (though that helps), but really that we need to go back to the way the country was before the Civil War, where the Federal Government had less power, and the States had more power.

      For a parallel, look at modern Europe. France, Germany, Italy, etc. are all separate countries with vast differences between them, but they're all in a Union where they share the same currency, have free trade, and do some things together. This is more like what America started out as, and should return to. If California wants to create a massive welfare state, that's fine: they can tax their own citizens to pay for that silliness. Meanwhile, those of us in other states shouldn't be forced into paying for their problems.


      There has been *one* War within the US in the past 232 years, which came as a result of irreconcilable differences arising between the states. Given the way that most state governments work these days, I'd be terrified of handing over even *more* power to them. Europe's had too many wars to count in that same period.

      Likewise, the articles of confederation (enacted before the US constitution, which gave the states an extremely high degree of autonomy) proved to be a complete and total failure. Most US states are simply too small to effectively handle their own affairs, and the differences between the states aren't nearly as the right wing would have you believe. The "culture wars" are a relatively new phenomenon, and for the most part, are completely artificial.

      Even the EU strongly encourages their member nations to look out for the welfare of the other nations within the union. EU citizens wishing to attend university in another EU state can typically do so, and pay virtually nothing. This isn't even possible in the US at present, where students are either forced to deal with the education system in their own state, or take out massive loans to attend an out-of-state, or private university.

      Perhaps a better (but more radical) proposal would be to create a third tier of government at a regional level to better bridge the gap between state and federal governments.

      Still, I don't think that the states are in *ANY* condition to begin managing their own affairs. Ron Paul's vision for America *WILL* result in another civil war at some point down the line.
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    23. Re:Ron Paul and the war by Wonko+the+Sane · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Look at Bush. He thinks that he takes orders from an invisible sky wizard.
      Maybe. He might just say that to appease the type of voters who elected him. Either way, the political power of religious fanatics in this country is excessive.
    24. Re:Ron Paul and the war by Cerebus · · Score: 1

      1) Because the link had it in its entirety and it saved me additional typing.

      2) Because the whole quote makes Paul look worse. What part of "Disagreeing with my political opinions makes you a criminal" seems like a good thing to you?

      In re: the rest: recall Euripides who famously wrote, "A man is known by the company he keeps."

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    25. Re:Ron Paul and the war by physburn · · Score: 0

      Religious views, might not matter to a leaders economic decisions, might or might not matter to there foreign policy decisions, but sooner or later there going to matter to domestic law and public funding. Things like stem cell research policy, abortion, gay marriage, are definitely going to depend on a leaders religious views.

    26. Re:Ron Paul and the war by Grishnakh · · Score: 1

      Perhaps a better (but more radical) proposal would be to create a third tier of government at a regional level to better bridge the gap between state and federal governments.

      That sounds good to me. Either that, or start making some states merge together. Here in the West, states are pretty large, but on the East, you have some ridiculously small states. Rhode Island, for instance, has no business being a separate state. I could walk across the whole state in a day. It should merge with Connecticut, and maybe with Massachusetts too. Vermont, New Hampshire, and Maine should also merge together into a single state. But New York is the opposite: it should split into New York the state, and NYC as a separate city-state. Chicago/Illinois should do the same.

      A third tier of government could be created to manage regional affairs, for instance one regional government for the southwest, one for the southeast, etc.

      Still, I don't think that the states are in *ANY* condition to begin managing their own affairs. Ron Paul's vision for America *WILL* result in another civil war at some point down the line.

      Why should there ever be a war? War implies that one group of people is trying to force their will on another group of people. This is exactly what happened in the Civil War, and it was Wrong. If the States have the ability to choose to join the Union, they should have the right to choose to leave the Union too, no matter the consequences. Forcing them to stay was wrong, and resulted in countless deaths. They should have been allowed to leave, though it probably would have resulted in the South's economy crashing shortly after.

      If, down the line, States just can't get along, then maybe the country should be separated. What's so wrong with that?

    27. Re:Ron Paul and the war by Dr.Merkwurdigeliebe · · Score: 1
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    28. Re:Ron Paul and the war by Cerebus · · Score: 1

      For a guy so opposed to putting people into groups, he sure likes to put people opposed to his political ideas into groups.

      Funny, that.

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    29. Re:Ron Paul and the war by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      C'mon you know better than that. Both those smears have been investigated and retracted by the New York Times.

      http://themedium.blogs.nytimes.com/2007/12/26/editors-note-the-ron-paul-vid-lash/

      I may not see eye to eye with Ron Paul on many things, but a racist he is not.

    30. Re:Ron Paul and the war by ketilwaa · · Score: 1

      Second point: Ron Paul being a creationist is completely irrelevant to his ability to be a good president. Religious views have no bearing on one's ability to run the country.
      Ron Paul was one of the people raising their hand to agree that they did not believe in evolution. Some would argue that not believing in evolution is a sign that one might be less likely to trust science over dogma in other cases. That should maybe be at least a little worrying?
    31. Re:Ron Paul and the war by argoff · · Score: 1

      I hate to tell you this, but you're the one drinking the koolaid. It is the Ron Paul opposition that treats the government as an omnipotent being that must be involved in education, health, environment, retirement, and most other aspects of peoples lives ranter that as a servant that must constantly be restrained, limited, and disciplined. Speaking about koolaid, what about that myth that the Federal Reserve is there to provide "flexibility" in the economy and "cool down" the economy when it's "too hot", and "stimulate" the economy when it's too slow. It's simply amazing that people still believe that crap in the 21st century, I truly feel sorry for them, when house of cards collapses they will get nailed up the back-end so hard they won't know what hit them.

    32. Re:Ron Paul and the war by jav1231 · · Score: 1

      I dunno...60% of Iraqis voted in their first election. I don't know if we've ever done that in the US.

    33. Re:Ron Paul and the war by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The war was necessary. It should have been done differently (ala de-nazification and possible map redrawing) but damnit you can't retreat until the Iraqi military is ready to take control.

      Iraq is much better now, but I still feel they should really try dividing the country up in semi-independant (like Quebec's relation to Canada, or Nunavik to Quebec) states, one for each culture/religion.

      Afghanistan and Pakhistan are where bricks are being shat. Hopefully things will calm down, but knowing how the generalissimo has been acting (blind-eye) towards "terrorist" groups, I really doubt any good will come from there.

      The entire region has always been delicate. What were you expecting? No country is safe from terrorists, and it's the duty of the strongest military in the world to help clear out areas where they bastards group up.

    34. Re:Ron Paul and the war by russotto · · Score: 1

      ...and the Puritans came here to escape what? Oh, yes, the religious tyranny they were subjected to.
      Yeah, they wanted to (and did) set up their OWN religious tyranny, which is where Rhode Island comes in.
    35. Re:Ron Paul and the war by russotto · · Score: 1

      And as Ron Paul also said, "I think we can safely assume that 95% of the black males in [Los Angeles] are semi-criminal or entirely criminal."
      Just trying to see if anyone checks these things out? Your source -- which gets it from a posting on talk.politics.misc by a white supremicist, so it's not particularly reliable -- claims that Paul said that about black males in the District of Columbia, not Los Angeles.
    36. Re:Ron Paul and the war by tmosley · · Score: 1

      You should dig a little deeper. Those comments weren't written by him, but were posted under his name, without his permission.

      For more detailed rebuttal of Ron Paul's alleged white supremacist ties, read here: http://www.nolanchart.com/article607.html

    37. Re:Ron Paul and the war by nacturation · · Score: 1

      Who said anything about bringing liberty to anyone? The only thing I heard GW talk about was exporting democracy. Isn't this conflict's official name Operation Iraqi Freedom for which they have a Camp Liberty? There's no Camp Democracy over there.
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    38. Re:Ron Paul and the war by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Ron Paul Ron Paul Ron Paul..

      had nothing to do with that, fuck off.

      The ease at which this fraud has wrapped so many of you around his finger... I'd say we are doomed, except he can't possibly win, and we are doomed anyway, as all other choices suck as well.

      Begin flaming.

    39. Re:Ron Paul and the war by Jeremi · · Score: 4, Insightful
      Ron Paul being a creationist is completely irrelevant to his ability to be a good president.


      Really? To me it says something very relevant about his ability to reason from facts.


      Religious views have no bearing on one's ability to run the country.


      But creationism isn't just a religious belief, it's also a (fallacious) scientific position. How can a president deal rationally with issues such as biotechnology or global warming when he can't bring himself to accept evolution? It's like hiring an accountant who doesn't believe in negative numbers, and expecting him to do your taxes correctly. Not going to happen.

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    40. Re:Ron Paul and the war by Jeremi · · Score: 1
      I dunno...60% of Iraqis voted in their first election. I don't know if we've ever done that in the US.


      Hell, that's nothing... before the fall of Saddam, nearly 100% of Iraqis voted in their elections. Furthermore, exit polling showed near-unanimous support for the incumbent, with the nearest competitor, "bullet to the head", languishing at less than 1%.

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    41. Re:Ron Paul and the war by The+One+and+Only · · Score: 4, Informative

      First point: secularism is no guarantee of liberty. Religion is no guarantee of tyranny... I remind you that this country was first settled by Puritans.

      Your point is valid, but your example is not. Plymouth was the second successful colony settled by the British--the first was Jamestown, Virginia. Jamestown was settled by migrant Englishmen looking to simply settle and conquer the New World. And if "this country" includes Florida, then the Spanish colony at St. Augustine, Florida predates both by half a century. But in a purely geographic sense, "this country" was settled by Native Americans centuries before any white man set foot upon it.

      Furthermore, the Puritans were tyrannical--which is why Roger Williams, Anne Hutchinson, and other people who fell out of favor with the Puritans settled Rhode Island. In fact, the Puritans were the perpetrators of the witch hunts.

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    42. Re:Ron Paul and the war by Colin+Smith · · Score: 1

      The Neo-cons have a rather odd view of the world and of the nature of power. They are the political equivalents of the economists of the 1920s; both essentially asserting that the old rules don't apply. In the 1920s everyone assumed that the Capitalist boom-bust cycle was over for good, that it was going to party days forever. Mises disagreed.
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    43. Re:Ron Paul and the war by Colin+Smith · · Score: 1

      How can a president deal rationally with issues such as biotechnology or global warming when he can't bring himself to accept evolution? He can say something like "Pfft. This really has nothing to do with the presidency or the government. Look to your own moral judgement."

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    44. Re:Ron Paul and the war by The+One+and+Only · · Score: 1

      Things like stem cell research policy, abortion, gay marriage, are definitely going to depend on a leaders religious views.

      Really? Someone should tell all those Catholic Democrats to stop being so pro-choice, etc.

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    45. Re:Ron Paul and the war by MightyMartian · · Score: 1

      It's rather sad that the Pilgrim Myth doesn't include the whole story, about how the Noncomformists really were a fanatical band of pains in the asses back in England. Read about Cromwell and the Roundheads, who chopped off a king's head and make England such an oh-so-delightful place to live.

      It's probably the best thing that ever happened to England, getting rid of a bunch joyless, humorless religious nuts.

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    46. Re:Ron Paul and the war by ceoyoyo · · Score: 1

      Aren't you only supposed to export things when you have more than enough of them?

    47. Re:Ron Paul and the war by Colin+Smith · · Score: 1

      Welcome to the world of propaganda. Take a look around you, see who your peers are. Then ask yourself if you really want to be a member of that group.

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    48. Re:Ron Paul and the war by Latinhypercube · · Score: 1

      If you needed Ron Paul to figure that out, you need help.

    49. Re:Ron Paul and the war by Wooloomooloo · · Score: 1

      Examine a map of iraqi oilfields, then a map of religious/ethnic groups. Splitting the country using only the second map as a guideline is a recipe for [more] disaster.

    50. Re:Ron Paul and the war by stewbacca · · Score: 1

      Well Ron Paul would push to repeal the woman's right to have an abortion. So much for being the "libertarian" Republican that the slasdot crowd seems to think he is. Oh yeah, and he's also staunchly anti-gay. I guess civil liberties aren't important to the Ron Paul crowd either.

    51. Re:Ron Paul and the war by dcam · · Score: 1

      Or the short version: Neocons don't read history.

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    52. Re:Ron Paul and the war by MadUndergrad · · Score: 1

      Truly, the US is the Utah of the world.

    53. Re:Ron Paul and the war by bigstrat2003 · · Score: 1

      Not really. A sensible person looks at each case individually. Obviously Ron Paul doesn't feel that the evidence for evolution is enough to support it, but that doesn't mean he'll come to the same conclusion in other cases. Of course, this depends on the assumption that Dr. Paul is a sensible person who evaluates each issue on its own merits, but I try to give people the benefit of the doubt.

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    54. Re:Ron Paul and the war by svunt · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Perhaps (no, definitely) off topic, but I've really been wanting to ask the /. crowd...I know Ron Paul votes consistently, and is a constitutionally based voter, etc, and after eight years of Bush, integrity is very important, but how did a far-right dude who doesn't believe in evolution, and wants to cut ALL federal funding for the sciences get so damn popular with nerds? I'm in Australia, so I hope he wins, because I want to see the US go back to looking after its own problems rather than creating them elsewhere, but if I were in the US, I'd be terrified of this guy.

    55. Re:Ron Paul and the war by shlashdot · · Score: 1

      Most people in the US are terrified of him too. They might lose their government job/grant/benefits/contract. Relax.

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    56. Re:Ron Paul and the war by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "It's like hiring an accountant who doesn't believe in negative numbers, and expecting him to do your taxes correctly."

      Renaissance time Italianos did bookkeeping just fine without negative numbers (which are just axiomatic constructions).

    57. Re:Ron Paul and the war by aichpvee · · Score: 0, Troll

      secularism is no guarantee of liberty.

      No, nothing is. But it's a damn good start. You'll notice that the United States was founded by secularists, many (most?) of them to one degree or another were religious themselves. While I'm all for the complete elimination of religion, it's the secular ideals of the Enlightenment that gave rise to any liberty we have managed to achieve in the United States.

      Religion is no guarantee of tyranny

      No, but it certainly is a good start.

      Ron Paul being a creationist is completely irrelevant to his ability to be a good president.

      This is complete bullshit. If he can't accept facts based on evidence when it is the most solid any human has ever witnessed how can anyone expect him to rationally handle situations where the facts are less certain and the evidence more nuanced? Being a creationist should bar anyone from becoming president. Not because it is their religion but because it is profoundly stupid.

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    58. Re:Ron Paul and the war by aichpvee · · Score: 0, Troll

      Not really. A sensible person looks at each case individually. Obviously Ron Paul doesn't feel that the evidence for evolution is enough to support it, but that doesn't mean he'll come to the same conclusion in other cases. Of course, this depends on the assumption that Dr. Paul is a sensible person who evaluates each issue on its own merits, but I try to give people the benefit of the doubt.

      Then he is a complete and total idiot. If you look at his other positions you'll see that clearly he doesn't have a lot of sense and that he's "right" on the war (possibly his only correct position) probably for the wrong reasons, much like Pat Buchanan.

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    59. Re:Ron Paul and the war by Geoff-with-a-G · · Score: 1

      I was always sympathetic to the idea of bringing liberty to those overseas, but it is clear now that the source of liberty is individual choices not government ones.

      Yes, clearly those jews who made individual choices to walk into concentration camps should not have been troubled by the nasty government choices of Britain, Russia, Canada, and the USA. Who were we to wield our government power on that nation of self-governing Germans, thinking we'd be greeted as liberators?

      Okay, I'll ease off the sarcasm now. I'm not defending this latest Iraq war in particular, nor attacking Ron Paul (I may yet vote for him, we'll see). But just because the current example is a mess, don't assume that we can turn it into a simple shining universal statement of isolationism - "the source of liberty is individual choices not government ones"

      If a truly democratic country elects someone who enacts policies we hate, then yes, it is foolish to send in troops to remove that leader. This will lead to lots of terrible war and killing, and will likely just piss off the citizens of that country more, causing them to elect a leader who opposes us even more.

      On the other hand, there are cases where the people of a country are being oppressed by a dictatorship; where their "individual choices" are not being represented. In such a case, external military assistance and liberation is truly a good thing. In addition to the big obvious example of Hitler, see also the French assistance to the British colonists who didn't feel King George III was representing their interests. Maybe Iraq wasn't one of those cases, but it's foolish to claim that those cases never happen, and that "the source of liberty is individual choices not government ones"

    60. Re:Ron Paul and the war by aevans · · Score: 1

      Ok, what's the flaw in creationism? We all know Evolution's flaws, but instead of tossing out the conclusion we're supposed to wait with bated breath for stopgap theories to plug the holes that keep getting bigger. Not believing in evolution doesn't mean believing in creationism. Keppler proved Copernicus wrong, but Heliocentrism still prevailed. You won't be able to learn anything if you refuse to admit Darwin might be wrong too.

    61. Re:Ron Paul and the war by aevans · · Score: 1

      That's what we need, a bunch of small nation states and more world wars!

    62. Re:Ron Paul and the war by aichpvee · · Score: 0

      Not believing in evolution doesn't mean believing in creationism.

      Yes, it does. You're a fucking moron and just like Ron Paul have no idea what you're talking about. Go back to your Ron Paul cult and leave the sane people alone.

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    63. Re:Ron Paul and the war by Risen888 · · Score: 1

      Ron Paul being a creationist is completely irrelevant to his ability to be a good president. Religious views have no bearing on one's ability to run the country.

      You can still believe that after the last eight years?

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    64. Re:Ron Paul and the war by Risen888 · · Score: 1

      What you're talking about is someone letting their religious views dictate how they run the country, which is a very bad quality, but is separate from their religious views.

      No, it is not. Religion (or even its lack, in the case of for instance secular humanism) by its very nature is the absolute center of people's lives, moralities, and social beliefs. There's no such thing as keeping one's religious views separate. My religion (Nordic Paganism) infuses every single thing I do throughout my day. Every interaction I have. Every social stance I take. Sometimes it's not exactly a direct correlation, but if you trace pretty much any idea back far enough, it ends up at "God said so." That's not just George Bush, that's not just me, that's everybody. Atheists, Christians, Muslims, Wiccans. Everybody.

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    65. Re:Ron Paul and the war by jahudabudy · · Score: 1

      Likewise, the articles of confederation (enacted before the US constitution, which gave the states an extremely high degree of autonomy) proved to be a complete and total failure. Most US states are simply too small to effectively handle their own affairs,

      I would simply like to point out that the conclusion in your second sentence does not necessarily follow from the example in your first sentence. Most of the individual states today are as large, if not larger, than the entire US at the time of the civil war (population & economy wise). Of course, the whole world is also much larger, so your conclusion may still be correct.

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    66. Re:Ron Paul and the war by Jeremi · · Score: 1
      Ok, what's the flaw in creationism?


      1. It doesn't explain anything. If you respond to any question you can't answer by saying "God did it", all you are doing is using the word "God" instead of admitting you don't know the answer.
      2. It's not supported by any evidence. From DNA to the fossil record to disease outbreaks, there is overwhelming evidence everywhere that natural selection is happening all the time, and that over time it leads to speciation and evolution. You can walk into any hospital and watch new species of bacteria evolve every week. You can compare DNA of various creatures over time and actually see where and when the changes occurred. The only evidence for creationism, on the other hand, is what? A book? If that's the only criteria, then there is equally "valid" evidence that humans are haunted by the ghosts of ancient deceased aliens. So clearly relying solely on ancient books and "because some guy said so" is an insufficient standard of evidence.

      We all know Evolution's flaws


      We do? The only "flaws" I'm aware of is that evolution isn't an intuitive concept to people who aren't used to thinking on geological timescales, and that it contradicts the fairy stories that their religious traditions tell them, which angers those who still think those stories should be taken literally.


      Not believing in evolution doesn't mean believing in creationism.


      True. Are you now arguing that Huckabee is not a creationist? If you are, say so... if not, the point is irrelevant.


      You won't be able to learn anything if you refuse to admit Darwin might be wrong too.


      Certainly, it's conceivable that the entire basis of modern biology is wrong. It's conceivable that the framework that led to the discovery of many of the vaccines and medicines that keep you and I alive from day to day is completely off-base, and that the resulting medicines and vaccines only work because of an incredible coincidence. I certainly can't prove otherwise. But then it's also conceivable that the entire world was created 5 seconds ago out of whole cloth, complete with fake implanted memories of my childhood and what I ate for breakfast this morning. I can't rule that out either.


      But I can make a considered judgement about which is more likely, and my judgement is that the consensus scientific view is overwhelmingly likely to be the correct one, and the people who reject evolution are doing so mainly because they feel it contradicts their intuition and/or religious superstitions, and not on any rational grounds. People can quibble about the details, but to anyone with an open mind, the facts are plain.

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    67. Re:Ron Paul and the war by tmosley · · Score: 1

      You can say "anti-gay" if you want to (it has no basis in fact), but he has stated on national television that he is for gay marriage. I dare you to find a front runner that has publicly confronted such a divisive issue. While he may or may not think that homosexuality is immoral, he defends their right to do what they want. He keeps his personal beliefs separate from his political actions.

      There's a saying: "I may not agree with what you are saying, but I will fight to the death for your right to say it." That sums up this apparent incongruity between his personal beliefs and his voting record. Honestly, the only real civil rights problem that he has is the abortion issue, and he wouldn't really have any control over that as president. I wouldn't expect it to be a litmus test issue for his appointments either, as he has more pressing issues to take care of, and he knows it.

    68. Re:Ron Paul and the war by stewbacca · · Score: 1

      Well, I'm off to check the accuracy of your claims. Perhaps I misconstrued his comments as being anti-gay, and his voting record is quite different. I fully understand the idea of not agreeing with something, but supporting the right for disagreement. Even if he isn't anti-gay, I still can't support anyone who thinks States should determine civil liberties such as abortion rights. God help us all if that were the case, or, God help everyone living in the more ingorant parts of the country I should say. (Cough, slavery, cough).

    69. Re:Ron Paul and the war by Grishnakh · · Score: 1

      This seems pretty stupid if you ask me. After all, Europe is composed of many small nation states, and it hasn't had a war since they formed a loose union (EU); in fact, it's helped them become much more cooperative, while still maintaining their independence on matters other than currency and trade.

      In addition, there's many, many other small countries out there that have never had a war with anyone. Where do you get the idea that you need huge countries in order to avoid wars? If you go back to WWI and WWII, the wars were between the large countries, not the small ones. Germany and Britain were large countries at the time; maybe not so much geographically, but in terms of population, wealth, and power they were leading the world. The US didn't become a world leader until after WWII. On the other hand, tiny countries like Switzerland, Iceland, Luxembourg, and various other small and not-so-powerful republics never started any wars at all.

    70. Re:Ron Paul and the war by Grishnakh · · Score: 1

      Most US states are simply too small to effectively handle their own affairs,

      Where do you get this ridiculous idea from? There's tons of independent nations out there with less population than our least-populous state, Wyoming (pop. approx. 500,000). Iceland, for instance, has around 250,000 people. Countries like that are perfectly able to handle their own affairs, and have been doing so for centuries.

      The idea that a state with a population of ~2-5 million can't manage its own affairs is just asinine.

    71. Re:Ron Paul and the war by JavaRob · · Score: 2, Interesting

      First point: secularism is no guarantee of liberty. Religion is no guarantee of tyranny... I remind you that this country was first settled by Puritans. Other posts are already discussing the Puritan thing, but I might also point out that it's very interesting to note the level of religiosity among the "founding fathers" who had so much influence on what made America successful. Remember, this was still decades before Darwin was even born (so the other option to "God made the creatures" was basically "dunno"), in a country including a whole lot of people who were more or less driven to the US because of their die-hard religious views.

      Lotta those weird "deist" types in there, somehow.

      Ron Paul being a creationist is completely irrelevant to his ability to be a good president. Religious views have no bearing on one's ability to run the country. It's not the *only* thing to check when making a political decision, but it's still extremely relevant.
      Have you noticed how um, nonexistent GWB's rational thought processes are? Easy decisions, sure -- go with the gut! And it works. Hard decisions... uh, pray? And then go with the gut? Or just listen to my buddies?

      I don't know how sophisticated Ron Paul's critical thinking is, but honestly -- any creationist has to have a serious disconnect with the real world. This is the guy we want dealing with the many science-heavy issues we have to deal with? This is the guy we want leading the US foreign policy (dealing with lots of other countries full of, holy shit, heathens and infidels)?

      Sorry, but no. When he blogs about "churches serving as vital institutions that would eclipse the state in importance", that sounds like his religion might affect his politics.

      And it's slim pickings for rational candidates nowadays, but it'd be pretty hard to convince me the Creationist is the bright spark among them.
    72. Re:Ron Paul and the war by bakes · · Score: 1

      How can a president deal rationally with issues such as biotechnology or global warming when he can't bring himself to accept evolution? Perhaps he takes the view that evolution was the tool that God used to create life on Earth. Many scientists also confess to Christian beliefs, I expect that they take a similar position.
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    73. Re:Ron Paul and the war by Jeremi · · Score: 1
      Perhaps he takes the view that evolution was the tool that God used to create life on Earth.


      Except that he says he doesn't believe in evolution. The view you suggest is one that does believe in evolution.

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    74. Re:Ron Paul and the war by Actually,+I+do+RTFA · · Score: 1

      As Ron Paul once said, if we want wars all over the planet and want the government babying people from cradle to grave - then we must have an IRS and massive debt. But if we want freedom and liberty, then yes we can get rid of them.

      I cannot speak about the economics of wars in an educated fashion, but I can say that the government babying people is cheaper than the alternative. Leave aside the fact that the government will step in later, at the nine stitches mark, instead of earlier, at the stitch in time mark. The government babying people is really a derogertory way to talk about the government assuming risk. Centralizing and sharing risk decreases costs.

      But what else can you expect from someone who wants to get back onto the gold standard?

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    75. Re:Ron Paul and the war by Evil+Pete · · Score: 1

      Don't take the following as an attack. This is just something that has always mystified me.

      As an outsider I used to wonder why Americans seem so different. At least the way they often interact on the world stage. Then I realised, only quite recently, that some/many have adopted Democracy as a religion and become zealots. Democracy is good, sure. Preferable. But some societies may not be ready. When your political system is viewed like a religion I think it corrodes your common sense. And when you start to form a sphere of influence (Empire is tempting but not quite the same), then unpleasant unintended things happen. OK. That's enough, I only want to express an opinion about what I see.

      I was re-viewing the DVDs of "The Civil War" recently, and I was struck by the difference in temper of the people in their own words then as compared to now. Still not sure about that, but wouldn't be surprised if others have noticed as well. I understood those people, I'm not sure I understand modern America.

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  6. Ron Paul by kihjin · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    Before 2007, I was doubtful about whether this country had any hope for change. Whether or not he wins, he represents what this country needs.

    If you don't already know about him, his website is helpful: http://ronpaul2008.com/

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    1. Re:Ron Paul by halivar · · Score: 0, Offtopic

      I think argoff (in the comment above) did a better job contriving contextual relevance for his Ron Paul (!!!!11!1!!one!!) advertisement. Your approach was a little more ham-fisted.

    2. Re:Ron Paul by kihjin · · Score: 1

      You're right. An actual advertisement might have been more convincing, rather than seeming like a misplaced answer to a question no one asked...

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    3. Re:Ron Paul by poopdeville · · Score: 1

      I dislike Ron Paul, so I'm going to support him just like you.

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    4. Re:Ron Paul by Fantastic+Lad · · Score: 2, Interesting
      I like Ron in that he's honest and earnest. You don't see very much of that in politics these days. However, I don't care for his conservative take on healthcare. That doesn't make sense to me.

      The way I see it, one of three things can happen. . .

      1. He'll be elected, and it'll be some form of, "Meet the new boss".

      2. He'll be another also-ran, soon to be forgotten.

      3. He'll board a small plane.


      -FL

    5. Re:Ron Paul by sqrt(2) · · Score: 1

      If no Democrat is able to be elected, I'd rather have ANY other Republican as President. A Ron Paul America would be very good for a small amount of people in the short term and completely disastrous for the rest of the country (You may know them as the poor and middle class). And in the long run, we'd have complete economic meltdown, environmental protection would the thrown to the wind, national defense would be gone, and even basic things like infrastructure and education would be either literally non-existent or economically out of reach for the average person--which amounts to the same thing. You'd have his "free market" capitalist anarchy to thank for all of that. Absent any form of government responsible to, and run by, THE PEOPLE the power vacuum would be filled by conglomerate corporations beholden only to the dollar, and their shareholders.

      Luckily for America he has no chance of winning, or even being nominated. The man sure can raise money though, I'll give him that.

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    6. Re:Ron Paul by dangitman · · Score: 1

      I like Ron in that he's honest and earnest.

      I don't think honesty matters that much when you're talking about a crazy person. I think we should expect more from our politicians - like being honest and sane.

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    7. Re:Ron Paul by Fantastic+Lad · · Score: 2, Interesting
      I think we should expect more from our politicians - like being honest and sane.

      Agreed. His up-front position on health care and indeed, his belief in a totally mercantilist approach to running a country is crazy. I've visited a number of states which allow the spirit of competition to dictate even simple things like zoning laws, and I must say having seen chemical factories leaking across the street from kindergartens and gun shops in largely residential areas offered just about the most intensely insane experience I've ever had the misfortune of living through. --And the people living there for the most part didn't even have the perspective to realize that the reason the levels of fear and anxiety, (which were right through the roof by contrast to where I live in the Great White North), were directly related to this sort of misguided belief in some kind of half-baked Darwinism. The reason we don't live in the jungle anymore is that we have evolved the ability to make rational decisions and to set order in places of chaos. If people refuse to use their ability to do this, then maybe they deserve to revert to living like savages in a kill-or-be-killed jungle environment which ruthlessly punishes everybody but that very small percentage occupying the top rung of the food chain. --And people wonder why there are such high rates of violent crime in the U.S. Seemed pretty obvious to me. I was glad to get out of there.

      If somebody grafted Ron Paul and Michael Moore into one politician, then maybe there would be some hope for the U.S., but as it stands, it's just heartbreaking to see Ron Paul as the one guy in the running who is sparking real hope in so many people.


      -FL

    8. Re:Ron Paul by jc42 · · Score: 1

      I think we should expect more from our politicians - like being honest and sane.

      Except that one of the "bugs" in a democratic system is that it rewards politicians for dishonesty. The people tend to vote for the candidate that claims to support things that the people want. But a completely honest candidate has a disadvantage to a good liar who studies the people and tells them what they want to hear.

      Historically, the main tool against such dishonesty has been a free press. When we had good investigative journalists, the candidates' actual action were often exposed. At other times, the media was in bed with the leading candidates, deceptive campaign claims went unreported, and people were suckered into voting for the dishonest candidates.

      I'll let other fill in the names in the above over-simplified historical analysis. Well, maybe one good example might be far enough in the past that few people have an emotional reaction now: In 1964, we in the US saw the Johnson and Goldwater campaigns. A big part of Johnson's campaign ads were built on the idea that Goldwater was a warmonger, who among other things would lead us into a war in Vietnam. You can still find the infamous daisy/atomic-bomb ad online. Johnson won, of course - and he promptly started ramping up US forces in Vietnam. If you can dig up the old media coverage, you'll find here and there some of the evidence that this was Johnson's real intent. But the mass media mostly broadcast Johnson's ads uncritically, and the general population saw him as a peacemaker. Four years later, of course, this no longer worked, and Johnson lost to Nixon (who talked about ending the war, and then promptly escalated it once he was in office).

      I'll avoid continuing the story with the 2000 election.

      But it could be useful to find a good, permanent solution to the problem of the advantage to dishonesty in democratic elections.

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  7. I married! by bogaboga · · Score: 1, Offtopic

    In a simple ceremony I married my sweet heart with whom we'd been together for 8 years. That was an achievement I guess.

    1. Re:I married! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      In a simple ceremony I married my sweet heart with whom we'd been together for 8 years. Okay, and to keep this on topic, you've now changed your mind? Well, happy new year :)
    2. Re:I married! by caluml · · Score: 2, Funny

      That sounds like you and someone else had been together with your sweetheart for 8 years. What does the 3rd person think about your marriage?

    3. Re:I married! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      He , I'm getting a divorce, after 10 years of marriage .. Good luck for you :)
      AC (for obvious reasons)

    4. Re:I married! by rednip · · Score: 1

      Okay, and to keep this on topic, you've now changed your mind? Well, it looks to me that he changed his mind about being single, this year he can change his mind about being married.
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    5. Re:I married! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "with whom we'd been together"

      Now really. Whom is correct but why use "we'd"?

    6. Re:I married! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You must be from Utah.

    7. Re:I married! by Blakey+Rat · · Score: 1

      So you changed your mind on having frequent sex?

    8. Re:I married! by jav1231 · · Score: 1

      I've changed my mind about my marriage and we're splitting. Think of it as me canceling your vote.

    9. Re:I married! by SeaFox · · Score: 1

      In a simple ceremony I married my sweet heart with whom we'd been together for 8 years.

      So you changed your mind about government's place in your personal relationships?

      The eight years of love you shared wasn't enough, and you now needed a clergyman, or at least a state bureaucrat, to declare the two of you were truly "together".
  8. The price of oil is still too cheap by Ranger · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I know everyone is complaining that oil and gas is way too expensive. They are wrong. I used to think the same way. I saw a nice chart showing gasoline prices adjusted for inflation over a period of about eighty years. You know what? It really hasn't changed that much. It was still higher in 1981 than it is now. What has changed is a decrease in our earning power.

    Proof that gasoline is still too cheap: I still see tons of Hummers, Expeditions, Navigators, Armadas, Sequoias and other mondo SUVs (aka Urban Assault Vehicles) on the road.

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    1. Re:The price of oil is still too cheap by Browzer · · Score: 1

      (If you live in the US) Have you ever been out of the country in the last 15 years?

    2. Re:The price of oil is still too cheap by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

      You may have changed your mind but it seems that you didn't learn your lesson (to look things up instead of assuming). Earning power has steadily increased for at least fifty years.

    3. Re:The price of oil is still too cheap by bmartin · · Score: 4, Interesting

      To expound on how correct you are, we're not really looking for alternative fuels in the US. It's sad; Europe (as a whole) is a much more agile entity than we are. For some reason, a dozen countries are making economic and social progress faster than a single one that has been an economic powerhouse for the past couple hundred years.

      If gasoline were a more appropriate price (e.g., $6/gal), we'd see alternatives popping up. Europe has been paying that much for gas for several years now. At this rate, the US will continue to produce/consume SUV's and trucks until gasoline becomes so expensive that it makes economic sense to switch over to something else. That aside, the US gov't is promoting patent law bullshit instead of realizing that it hinders our economic progress and ties up our courts, just like the war on drugs.

      The incentives for the US to stop sucking eggs aren't in place. It feels like there's nothing we can do to stop idiots like Ted Stevens from getting elected. Congress doesn't enact laws that are in our best interests and the president's a moron.

      I changed my mind about wanting to live in the US in 2007. It seems worth seriously considering a move to another country or even another continent. I'm thinking about vacationing in London. Canada and the UK don't seem like bad ideas right now. There's more wrong with this country than its president.

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    4. Re:The price of oil is still too cheap by Harmonious+Botch · · Score: 1

      I predict it will hit 5/gal by the end of 2008.

      There are 4 reasons for this:
      1) The middles east is stll unstable 2) Sweet crude was recently added to the strategic pertoleum reserves 3) Nigerian production has dropped 4) China and India are using more ( and to improve its pre-olympic green image, China will buy more of the sweet crude )

    5. Re:The price of oil is still too cheap by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

      What has changed is a decrease in our earning power.... I still see tons of Hummers, Expeditions, Navigators, Armadas....

      What has changed also is income disparity. A huge change. $10 million/yr CEOs of public companies didn't exist 20 years ago; shareholders wouldn't have put up with it. The CEO or even the $500K physician isn't going to give a damn about fuel prices, even at $100/gal, and if they want a Hummer they'll get a Hummer (unless they are sensitive to being perceived as crass and politically incorrect, but most aren't - they feel their money entitles them to waste 100x more earth resources than the average person). The market for multi-million dollar mansions is hotter than ever, in constrast to the housing and mortgage collapse that the rest of us are in the middle of. Meanwhile, even computer programmers are barely eking out what used to be considered a lower-middle-class existence in terms of the current value of the dollar.

    6. Re:The price of oil is still too cheap by whereiswaldo · · Score: 1

      Proof that gasoline is still too cheap: I still see tons of Hummers, Expeditions, Navigators, Armadas, Sequoias and other mondo SUVs (aka Urban Assault Vehicles) on the road.

      That could just as easily prove that rich people and drug dealers like big vehicles.

    7. Re:The price of oil is still too cheap by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Go look at that list again, look at the medians instead of the mean, get some remedial statistical knowledge from somewhere and try again....

    8. Re:The price of oil is still too cheap by AhtirTano · · Score: 4, Insightful
      A couple interesting observations about those charts.
      1. From 1947-1977 (the first half covered) the mean household income (adjusted for inflation) goes from $26,322 to $51,925. That's almost double the household income. From 1978-2005 (the second half), it goes from $54,764 to $73,304. That's a little more than a 1/3 increase. So the rate at which our income is increasing has dropped drastically.
      2. The further back along the time-line you go, the fewer two income households there are. So the doubling of earning power in the first 30 years of the chart was decreasingly accomplished by single individuals making more. The lesser increase in earning power in the second half is increasingly accomplished by pairs.
    9. Re:The price of oil is still too cheap by CNeb96 · · Score: 1

      >What has changed is a decrease in our earning power.
      >Proof that gasoline is still too cheap: I still see tons of Hummers, Expeditions, Navigators, Armadas, Sequoias and other mondo SUVs (aka Urban Assault Vehicles) on the road.

      This hints at what I learned this year, while a free market will always self adjust ie more expensive gas will force car makers to make cheaper more fuel efficient cars the true cost of delay between the changes will be felt most by the lower middle class and poor. The "letting the market fix its own problems, in its own time" mentality is a real bummer to those who don't have much to start with.

      But government interference with the free market usually has long term consequences because it produces at best sub optimial results, at worst it moves it in the wrong direction and creates dependence.

      I'm not sure of the solution, but seeing that there is a problem is a start.

    10. Re:The price of oil is still too cheap by Bill,+Shooter+of+Bul · · Score: 1

      Bingo, give the man a cigar. You are not ever going to raise the price of gas so high that you wont see luxary SUV's. The more exclusive they would become as the price of gas goes up, the more the appeal of their exclusivity and their value as status symbols go up. Its all about income disparity. And this is where I don't see Ron Paul's platform's solution. I don't see how cutting taxes, and reducing the size and reach of the government is going to make up for this income disparity. And there will be further consequnces besides owning luxury SUV's. At some point, access to Government backed Student loans will be restricted as Tuition goes sky high and the earning power of a degree continues to slide resulting in massive student loan defaults.

      Well that's enough rose cheeked optimism for one day. I think I'll go back to watching analog static before they take *that* away from us too.

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    11. Re:The price of oil is still too cheap by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I did look at the medians. I didn't examine the means at all. Could you be more specific as to my failings in this regard? Since your only specific criticism is something I didn't actually do, it would be nice to have more details.

    12. Re:The price of oil is still too cheap by Tablizer · · Score: 1

      Not sure I could trust info from a website with such fucked-up DHTML (covers the graph with half-floating ads in Firefox unless hi-res is used.)

    13. Re:The price of oil is still too cheap by Ranger · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I predict it will hit 5/gal by the end of 2008.

      I've been wrong almost every time in guessing how much gasoline will rise. I think the prices will depend on the political situation going into November. Did you notice how gas prices stabilized and remained relatively low during the 2006 election? I know people say the prices weren't manipulated, but it sure seemed to me the oil companies did what they could to help the Republicans win in 06. It didn't help. So unless there is some kind of major disruption I suspect we may see a repeat of the Fall 2006 pricing.

      I've no doubt it'll hit $5 USD/gal at some point in the future, but I don't think it'll be 2008. Supply and availability are going to be the real determining factors. Until there are shortages and long lines people will grumble but they won't be up in arms.

      I predict gasoline will eventually be sold per liter as prices go up and that car mileage will be listed in kilometers per gallon. It won't change anything but it'll be an attempt to obfuscate the real costs.

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    14. Re:The price of oil is still too cheap by Tablizer · · Score: 1

      Some economists trace this slowdown in income improvement to free trade (or at least lopsided trade). The slowdown corresponds with the dropping of tariffs starting in the early 60's.

    15. Re:The price of oil is still too cheap by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I wouldn't say its a solution anymore, but illegal immigrant workers are a tool to force income disparity. I honestly don't know (or particularly care) what Ron Pauls stance is on illegal immigration, but that would be what you should look in to to find what will happen to income disparity.

      End Game by Alex Jones briefly touches on this.

    16. Re:The price of oil is still too cheap by Beyond_GoodandEvil · · Score: 1

      Proof that gasoline is still too cheap: I still see tons of Hummers, Expeditions, Navigators, Armadas, Sequoias and other mondo SUVs (aka Urban Assault Vehicles) on the road.
      Using that poor logic I could say that despite increases in prices, college education is too cheap since enrollment rates at colleges are still at an all time high.

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    17. Re:The price of oil is still too cheap by Bill,+Shooter+of+Bul · · Score: 1

      illegal imigration is a red herring. A scape goat. Its like cold medicine fighting the sypmtoms instead of the virus causing them. One of the functions of sypmtoms is to allow you to know there is an underlying disease. Its not that only the wealthy must look at how they spend their money, all of us must do the same. Look at all of the debt, those of us in the United States have. If were maxing out our plastic to buy 54 inch plasmas, how can we expect sympathy from anyone? We need to use less, not just because we have less, but because what little we have needs to be used more wisely.

      I guess I was wrong for attacking Ron Paul on this subject, because I'm not sure any government's policies could solve this societies problems. What we need is something on the order of the Government's advocacy programs supporting wise financial decisions. We really need Plato's philosopher king to take the temperature of the countries problems and advise us on how best to solve them on a local level. So anyone want to dig up Socrates and fire up the cloning device? Or maybe not as nobody listened to him when he was alive and forced him to kill himself.

      ah well, thanks for the further provocation. I'll get back to my free static while it lasts. Maybe I should record it? Will it still be around when they auction off that spectrum? Will it be the same comforting white noise? Anyone know? Anyone else care?

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    18. Re:The price of oil is still too cheap by Grishnakh · · Score: 1

      I changed my mind about wanting to live in the US in 2007. It seems worth seriously considering a move to another country or even another continent. I'm thinking about vacationing in London. Canada and the UK don't seem like bad ideas right now. There's more wrong with this country than its president.

      Well if you go to the UK, esp. London, just watch out for all the street crime there. You're very likely to be mugged. We don't have that problem very much here in the USA unless you live in the ghetto. The US has a lot of problems, yes, but don't fool yourself about other countries; they have their own problems too.

      Other parts of Europe have serious problems with their Muslim immigrants. You've probably heard about all the riots in Paris, and maybe the gang-raping of Swedish girls by Muslims. Another problem we don't really have in the US.

      Canada is a pretty nice place, however. Vancouver in particular is a very nice city to visit. If I had to live outside the US, that's probably one of the first places I'd pick.

    19. Re:The price of oil is still too cheap by Grishnakh · · Score: 1

      I predict gasoline will eventually be sold per liter as prices go up and that car mileage will be listed in kilometers per gallon. It won't change anything but it'll be an attempt to obfuscate the real costs.

      I think they tried that back in the 70s and it really pissed everyone off, so they went back to gallons.

    20. Re:The price of oil is still too cheap by Grishnakh · · Score: 1

      Not sure I could trust info from a website with such fucked-up DHTML (covers the graph with half-floating ads in Firefox unless hi-res is used.)

      What are you talking about? It looks fine to me. Are you using AdBlock Plus?

    21. Re:The price of oil is still too cheap by stewbacca · · Score: 1

      Dude, I make less than 100,000 year combined with my wife and I don't give a damn about $3.25/gallon price either. It doesn't take someone making 500k to care. Gas in the UK is roughly $8/gallon (current exchange rate). Considering I lived there the past few years, I'll take $3.15/gallon gas every day of the week.

    22. Re:The price of oil is still too cheap by stewbacca · · Score: 1

      The problem with your logic is that people who buy luxury SUVs are often those who can least afford to do so.

    23. Re:The price of oil is still too cheap by chadyo · · Score: 1

      You have to also realize we're also paying for oil/gas through federal taxes. I've seen figures stating that with all the oil subsidies the federal government pays, the "real" price of gas for US consumers is about $10 a gallon. I'm not sure if we're paying more oil subsidies now then in 1981 but it wouldn't surprise me.

      We need to get rid of the subsidies and let alternative energy fairly compete.

    24. Re:The price of oil is still too cheap by TrekkieGod · · Score: 1

      From 1947-1977 (the first half covered) the mean household income (adjusted for inflation) goes from $26,322 to $51,925. That's almost double the household income. From 1978-2005 (the second half), it goes from $54,764 to $73,304. That's a little more than a 1/3 increase. So the rate at which our income is increasing has dropped drastically.

      Household income? I think that has a lot more to do with the increase of women entering the workforce in that period, rather than the income per person doubling.

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    25. Re:The price of oil is still too cheap by Bertie · · Score: 1

      Oh, please. There's only one place I know of in Europe where I'd say you're "very likely to be mugged", and that's Barcelona. It's easily counteracted by walking around with your hands in your pockets.

      As for your other "points", I won't dignify them with a response.

      London's got a hell of a lot wrong with it - it's overpriced, overcrowded, dirty, and dysfunctional - but it's not unsafe, unless you do stupid things, and you could say that of any major city.

    26. Re:The price of oil is still too cheap by maeka · · Score: 1
      Regarding household income, you said:

      The further back along the time-line you go, the fewer two income households there are. So the doubling of earning power in the first 30 years of the chart was decreasingly accomplished by single individuals making more. The lesser increase in earning power in the second half is increasingly accomplished by pairs.


      You're such a pessimist.
      I see this as solid factual evidence that a second wife is needed in my household!

    27. Re:The price of oil is still too cheap by Bill,+Shooter+of+Bul · · Score: 1

      Well, that is a *part* of it, but thats mainly confined to the non luxury suv market which is taking a hit now due to the increase in gas prices. It used to be a machisimo thing at the factory I worked at for a summer. Who had the biggest SUV. None of them could really afford the payments, if they were also saving for retirement and their kids college funds. But I think most of the people who are still buying the Mercedes, porche, and Lexus SUV's can afford them and the gas. I think the recent reversal inortune for the Detroit automakers reflects that. The big decline has been in durangoes,expiditions, and silverados.

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    28. Re:The price of oil is still too cheap by Profound · · Score: 1

      If gasoline were a more appropriate price (e.g., $6/gal), we'd see alternatives popping up.

      There are no alternatives anywhere near as cheap, easy and energy dense as fossil fuels. It's a 1 off free energy bonanza of millions of years of sunlight captured from the dinosaur age. Everything else requires much more effort and far lower energy return on energy invested. Price rises would simply cause reduced usage (not a bad thing).

      Have you heard the joke about two economists who were locked in a basement? They didn't worry because they were certain that with their increasing demand the market would cause sandwiches to appear.

      That is the gist of the "technology will solve the energy crisis" arguments - economics and capitalism don't trump physics and geology.

    29. Re:The price of oil is still too cheap by stewbacca · · Score: 1

      The big decline has been in durangoes,expiditions, and silverados.
      Thank God. It's a start! Now if we could just start making a dent into those stupid full-sized trucks that these Texas housewives use as a status symbol when they go shopping. Seriously, who uses a freakin' WORK vehicle as a status symbol??? Maybe I'll start a trend and get me a white panel van...
    30. Re:The price of oil is still too cheap by argStyopa · · Score: 2, Interesting

      "I changed my mind about wanting to live in the US in 2007. It seems worth seriously considering a move to another country or even another continent. I'm thinking about vacationing in London. Canada and the UK don't seem like bad ideas right now. There's more wrong with this country than its president."

      Meh; talk is cheap. Let me know when you actually move.

      I used to think like you do, about how much is farking wrong with this place and how other countries seem to 'get it' better than we do on so many issues. But then working for an international megacorp, I *do* have the fortunate opportunity for extended stays in other countries from Sweden and Germany to the Far East.

      Now, with a little more maturity, I'll continue to insist that very, very many things in the US are messed up, but I'd still rather live nowhere else. I own a 3400 sq ft, 5 bedroom home (roughly 340 sqm for you Continentals) for which I paid (in 1993) $105k, on the edge of a major metro area. Everything I could possibly want - from clear, drinkably clean fishing lakes, to ample farmer's markets with locally-grown produce (4-5 months of the year anyway), major sports, drama, and commercial venues are all within 1 hours' drive (sadly, no mountains tho). Within 4 hours drive I can be in a wilderness where I have camped without seeing another person or even a contrail of an aircraft for more than a week.

      And yes, our government's screwed up. But there aren't any places in the world that I can think of where a government is MORE restrained from accomplishing anything than here, and the longer I live, the more I see that is a great thing.

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    31. Re:The price of oil is still too cheap by wannabe-retiree · · Score: 1

      While I agree with your sentiments about seeing real change if gas gets more expensive, I think you're incorrect about the US not looking for alternative fuels. If you know anyone in a top MBA program, I guarantee they'll tell you how VC's are pouring money into alternative energy and many of their classmates are seeking jobs in that field. While it's not happening as fast as I'd like, right now we have alot of smart, ambitious, and environmentally conscious people focused on this issue. I would bet the next 2 years are going to see alot of new developments in alternative energy.

      As for your issues with politicians sucking in the US... here's a secret: they suck everywhere.

    32. Re:The price of oil is still too cheap by naasking · · Score: 1

      Indeed, or perhaps, due to women and other minorities becoming more socially viable employees, the workforce supply outstripped the demand, so the wage per employee dropped.

    33. Re:The price of oil is still too cheap by Grishnakh · · Score: 0, Troll

      So what about all the reports of people getting their iPods stolen in London?

      Sorry, I'll believe actual news reports before I believe some random person on Slashdot.

    34. Re:The price of oil is still too cheap by Nexx · · Score: 1

      So what about all the reports of people getting their iPods stolen in London?

      That's been a problem in NYC too, until they started putting more police presence in subways and on the streets. All cities have their issues; you just have to be smart about avoiding them the best you can.

    35. Re:The price of oil is still too cheap by Copid · · Score: 1

      I changed my mind about wanting to live in the US in 2007. It seems worth seriously considering a move to another country or even another continent.
      I don't know about anybody else, but being a victim of our sometimes confused domestic policy seems a lot safer than being a victim of our nutbar foreign policy. I'll stick around here.
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  9. Linux by calebt3 · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I switched from XP to openSuSE in March, and decided it was too hard to work with, to the point that I pined for Window's familiarity. Temporarily lacking an XP CD, I downloaded Ubuntu as a stopgap. And decided I didn't need that XP CD after all.

    1. Re:Linux by LingNoi · · Score: 1

      I bet after a few years of using Ubuntu you'll find openSuSE much easier. I am guessing the reason you and many others find it so hard is that you can not immediately do the things you normally would have done in Windows, at which point it becomes frustrating. Would I be correct in this?

    2. Re:Linux by Space_Soldier · · Score: 1

      I concur. Though, as a blind fly bumping into walls, I have taken a rather indirect approach.

      I have switched from XP to Vista, which made my life miserable. Then from Vista to Ubuntu 7.10. Then Fedora 8. Then back to Ubuntu.

      I only planned to run it on one computer (my laptop). But, one morning I turned on my desktop XP machine and it gave a billion errors about how SVCHOST.exe could not write to a memory address. I also noticed that firefox was never being updated since 99% of the time it ran under a limited account, and unlike Vista, there is no UAC to prompt for an admin user/password.

      After that fuss, all the computers in my house run Ubuntu.

    3. Re:Linux by calebt3 · · Score: 1

      Yes. Mainly I had encountered issues with upgrading. Novell's OOo was two versions behind the vanilla release (as was Firefox and Battle for Wesnoth), requiring me to install manually (which left a mess in the menus), and Battle for Wesnoth wouldn't update at all (dependency hell). It was all very confusing back then. I probably would find it easier now, but I am not confident that they keep their versions up-to-date.

    4. Re:Linux by calebt3 · · Score: 2, Funny

      One more thing: forums kept mentioning the terminal, and I didn't have a clue what they meant by that.

    5. Re:Linux by Grishnakh · · Score: 1

      No. I've used SUSE since 1999, and I converted to Kubuntu last year, finally. Updating software is SO much easier: apt-get install . SUSE just doesn't have it; I was constantly dealing with dependency hell, especially when I tried to update to newer versions of KDE. Updating in Ubuntu is terribly easy, and they release new versions every 6 months so you're never too far behind the times. Plus, the repositories have just about every piece of software imaginable, unlike SUSE's repositories.

      Also, SUSE's yast tool used to be nice, like in 1999, but these days it's just old and obsolete, and horrifically slow.

      I just wish Ubuntu would switch to KDE as its favored desktop environment, instead of GNOME. While SUSE is definitely a KDE distro, it does a real disservice to KDE with how lackluster it is in everything else.

      And on top of all that, SUSE is owned by Novell, which signed a patent deal with Microsoft, which is simply unacceptable. That was the last straw for me.

    6. Re:Linux by carpe_noctem · · Score: 1, Flamebait

      Funny... 2007 was the year that I basically turned my back on open source software and the linux movement. Granted, there are a few OSS communities out there that I still really support (SVN, for starters), but the whole thing has started to leave a bitter aftertaste in my mouth.

      Why, you ask?

      Quite simple, really... quality vs. philosophy. As I've moved into the pro audio industry, where linux has essentially no foothold at all, the claims of people spouting that OSS is the solution for "everything" have made me realize how absurd the argument is. There are, of course, good examples of OSS software out there, but the problem lies in the fact that it comes down to a big moral battlefield for people, and they forget that a lot of the software that they so vigorously defend just plain sucks. The idea that the source code of a program can be made available to others at no extra cost is a powerful one. However, the idea that distributing one's software in a big 'ol tarball to be compiled by the user is simply idiotic, and I do not miss the hours of fighting to get package X to compile correctly with library Y with configuration Z. Even binary distribution in linux sucks, and inevitably, users that wonder off the beaten path end up having to build the software that they need by hand.

      The irony is, in the computer audio industry, there are those who spend more time and money on new digital toys than actually making music. Likewise, it seems that the OSS community is flooded with too many opinionated geeks, and not enough developers. The result is, expectably, crap.

      Anyways, sorry for the rant; feel free to flame on. At the end of the day, I am a better and more productive programmer and musician, most of that due to my subconscious switch away from OSS and to other tools that actually do what I need, even if they cost me a bit of dough.

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    7. Re:Linux by K.+S.+Kyosuke · · Score: 1

      Well, you have never tried zypper? Yes, it's new, but zypper install (or maybe even zypper shell) seem to be really handy to me. I must admit that some less-than-inteligent design decisions were made concerning the internals (and I hope our guys will make it better soon), but from the user perspective, zypper is quite fine.

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    8. Re:Linux by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      hey that's offtopic!
      you can't talk about your OS in a debate about politics!
      just look at the ti-
      wait,
      crap.

  10. Windows XP by m50d · · Score: 5, Funny

    it's not *all* that bad, actually

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    1. Re:Windows XP by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      You must have tried Vista?

    2. Re:Windows XP by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      A couple hours of using Vista made me like XP.

  11. Flying cars by Harmonious+Botch · · Score: 4, Funny

    I finally realized that I was never going to have a flying car.

    1. Re:Flying cars by calebt3 · · Score: 1
    2. Re:Flying cars by nick.ian.k · · Score: 1

      Obviously you didn't score one of *these* babies.

    3. Re:Flying cars by FoolsGold · · Score: 1

      What? How could you possibly have skipped out on getting the flying car?

      I've got one right here. Sure I had to lose a foot and allow a mad German scientist and his friends have their way with me, but man... it's the FLYING CAR!!!

  12. Slashdot is not what it used to be! by Browzer · · Score: 1

    That is... "News for Nerds. Stuff that matters"

  13. Slashdot by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I realized it isn't really about stuff that matters.

  14. The government isn't out to get me by pembo13 · · Score: 1

    They are just out to control us all.

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  15. scientist?! by callmetheraven · · Score: 1, Flamebait

    Calling David Brin a scientist is like calling Josef Stalin a humanitarian.
    Brin is the King of Hacks.

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    1. Re:scientist?! by headkase · · Score: 1

      Actually, he is a physicist in addition to being a damn fine SF writer (IMHO). Scientists usually are all logical and stuff but even the best of them can use a bit of imagination (SF) to prod them in their explorations.

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  16. Nothing by nurb432 · · Score: 1

    I changed my mind about absolutely nothing. As I'm always confidant with what i want to believe/feel the first time.

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    1. Re:Nothing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The day will come when you'll change your mind about that.

    2. Re:Nothing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Absolutely! Stay the course, Mr. President.

    3. Re:Nothing by nurb432 · · Score: 1

      Not sticking with your decisions is a sign of weakness. So no, i wont be changing my mind.

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  17. Am I the only one.. by jx100 · · Score: 1

    ..who saw Sacha Baron-Cohen instead of Simon Baron-Cohen?

    1. Re:Am I the only one.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Nope. How about a Borat tag? :D

    2. Re:Am I the only one.. by damburger · · Score: 2, Informative

      They are in fact cousins.

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  18. Weed by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The biggest thing that I changed my mind about was drugs. After smoking bud, it opened my world up to wonderful things like E and acid and such.

    1. Re:Weed by shawn443 · · Score: 0, Flamebait

      Wow, just 4 years after you decided girls didn't have cooties. Congratulations on your 16th birthday. This same post in 2020, you decide you no longer like drugs because your wife won't let you.

  19. That's easy. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Blue. No yel-- Auuuuuuuugh!

  20. Politics by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I thought the Democrats would run things better than Bush in 2007. Turns out they were worse. Quite a feat given what a numbskull Bush is. At least they took the challenge seriously.

    1. Re:Politics by Grishnakh · · Score: 1

      I thought the Democrats would at least attempt to do what they were elected to do by all the Americans who surprisingly voted for them, causing a Democratic takeover of Congress: end the Iraq War. But instead, the Dumbocrats haven't done anything of the sort, and have gone along with every funding request by Bush so far, and have done nothing to hold him accountable for human rights abuses (waterboarding/torture), or for unconstitutional things like domestic surveillance. In short, the Dumbocrats have shown that they and the Bush-controlled Republicans are really just two sides of the same, pro-war party.

      The only solution is to elect Ron Paul. If we elect anyone else, there's going to be an invasion of Iran at best, or nuking of Iran at worst.

    2. Re:Politics by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It was the Republicans in congress dragging their feet, stalling, and fighting tooth and nail against everything the Democrats were trying to do that kept change from happening. The Democrats may have technically had a majority but you need 2/3 to get a lot of things done, and neither party is 100% coherent on every issue. It was a brilliant move by the conservatives though, they succeeded in making the Dems look just as incompetent as they are, even though the Democrats were actually trying to get things done that the American people wanted instead of just passing Bush's legislation without debate or change. I have no idea how the tactic of calling the Democrats unpatriotic by not "funding the troops" (he really means funding the war) when THE PRESIDENT was the one threating to veto the spending bill because it called for actual progress to be made, instead of just handing him a blank check with no responsibility to use that money to END THE WAR.

    3. Re:Politics by Grishnakh · · Score: 1

      Again, I fail to see how the Democrats aren't to blame for this. To stop the war, all Congress has to do is pull the funding. This doesn't require a 2/3 vote; this only requires not passing a new spending bill! (Someone correct me if I'm wrong.) So all the Dems had to do was deadlock all action in Congress, and bring the government to a halt, instead of trying to "work with" the Republicans to get things done. The American People didn't want anything to get done; they wanted the war stopped.

      Moreover, the Democrats now have the power to push for impeachment of Bush and Cheney, and Kucinich is trying to do this, but the rest of the Dems (particularly those at the top, like Pelosi) aren't helping out here at all; instead they're at Bush's beck and call.

      So as far as I'm concerned, the Democrats have utterly failed in the mission they were given by the American people when they were elected into Congress in '06.

  21. Google by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I still think it is an awesome company, just now I think it is a little TOO awesome. They're starting to scare me.

    I have to post this anonymously because my employer does not like me talking about them.

  22. another year, another loss. the usual... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I realized that thanks to /. the love of my life (as far as i know) will never reciprocate, thus leaving me single. yet again.

  23. Republicans and Democrats by DoofusOfDeath · · Score: 1

    I've traditionally voted Republican because I'm a social conservative. In 2007, Bush and the Congressional Republicans behaved so irresponsibly that I wanted them out.

    So I leaned Democrat. Until I saw that the Democratic Congress rolled over for Bush just as much as the Republicans did.

    Now I don't know how to lean. Now I just despair.

    1. Re:Republicans and Democrats by argent · · Score: 1

      Vote for a democrat president and a republican congress?

    2. Re:Republicans and Democrats by nacturation · · Score: 1

      Now I don't know how to lean. Now I just despair. Ask your tailor -- I'm sure he knows which way you lean.
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    3. Re:Republicans and Democrats by WhiplashII · · Score: 1

      If you are a social liberal and a fiscal conservative, shouldn't it be the other way around? Congress can at least recommend social laws, while the President has no power to cause social change - he can only approve or veto whatever Congress gives him. Of course, Congress also passes the budget, but at least that starts with the President writing it - and recently the President seems to have an astonishing amount of power in that area.

      Are you really socially conservative and fiscally liberal? Honestly, I have never met someone like that... so what do you base your division of power on?

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    4. Re:Republicans and Democrats by argent · · Score: 1

      If you are a social liberal and a fiscal conservative, shouldn't it be the other way around?

      OP said he was a social conservative and not happy with the other way around.

  24. That politicians / legislative bodies ... by HW_Hack · · Score: 4, Insightful

    can effect any type of meaningful change.

    Healthcare reform, acting on global warming, tax reform, ending a meaningless war, supporting the middle class, fighting terrorism at its roots ( in the Madrases ) and local Muslim populations (versus invading random countries like Iraq or Iran), energy independence ........ on and on

    Since a teenager I've been at least tuned into the issues / politics - and would get wrapped up with one candidate or another .... now in my 50's I see that this just a bunch of horse-shit. I'll still vote (as I have since I turned 18) .... but to invest any time, money, or emotion in the political process ----- fuck that shit.

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    1. Re:That politicians / legislative bodies ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's not politicians. Politicians are people. The people in charge are baby boomers. The people electing them are baby boomers. I think that they have been a disappointment as a generation. They talked about peace, love, freedom, decrying the affects of money. Instead they've been the ones to start wars, eliminate freedoms, strengthen capitalism, and be one of the most strangely hateful, disrespectful, uncaring generations. Once we start leveling off there, we'll see if this theory is correct.

  25. Republicans by christurkel · · Score: 0, Troll

    The more I see of the Presidential candidates on the Republican side, The more I see fascists running for Dictator in Chief, that a Gulliani presidency will mean a police state, a Huckabee presidency will will bring a theocracy and only the Republican who isn't bone chilling frightening is Ron Paul. When did the Republicans becomes Fascists?

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    1. Re:Republicans by CheeseTroll · · Score: 1

      Just because a candidate is somewhat religious, doesn't mean that they will impose their beliefs on everyone else, or whore out their religion to gain power. That is the difference between Obama and Huckabee.

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    2. Re:Republicans by Oligonicella · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Same time the Democrats did.

    3. Re:Republicans by sethstorm · · Score: 1

      When did the Republicans becomes Fascists? Right after Ronald Reagan took office (for the set of ones you know of now). The Nixon presidency was only training.

      a Huckabee presidency will will bring a theocracy You're forgetting that the Club for Growth will become "Club for Huckabashing" moreso than it already is.
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    4. Re:Republicans by meringuoid · · Score: 4, Funny
      Barack's a Muslim

      No he isn't. A quick search reveals that he is a member of something called the United Church of Christ. This does not appear to be a Muslim denomination: the clue's in the word 'Christ'.

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    5. Re:Republicans by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    6. Re:Republicans by jjohnson · · Score: 1

      Obama's not a Muslim--not now, never was. But thanks for getting in early on the 2008 Swiftboating.

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    7. Re:Republicans by MightyMartian · · Score: 1

      If you don't think Ron Paul isn't bone chilling, then you haven't been listening. He's probably the most frightening of them all.

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    8. Re:Republicans by R2.0 · · Score: 1

      "But thanks for getting in early on the 2008 Swiftboating."

      Wrong terminology:

      When Republicans do it to Democrats, it's called swiftboating.
      When Democrats do it to Republicans, it's called borking.
      When Democrats do it to fellow Democrats, like Hillary's campaign is doing to Obama, it's called taking off the kid gloves.

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    9. Re:Republicans by R2.0 · · Score: 1

      "But it is nice to get a front-row seat to the new line in Republican FUD. Thanks!"

      Funny, I thought it was the Clinton campaign that "disciplined" staffers for getting caught forwarding those emails.

      Oh, I forgot - only Republicans use dirty tricks in elections. My bad.

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    10. Re:Republicans by chis101 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I'm still confused as to why him being a Muslim would be such a bad thing if it were true?...

    11. Re:Republicans by CodyRazor · · Score: 0

      Its bad the same way being a christian is bad, or being religious and therefore irrational in any sense. I suppose you could argue its slightly worse than being a christian but it doesn't really matter.

      "The lesser of two evils is still evil, and the enemy of my enemy is not my friend." - Penn Jilette

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    12. Re:Republicans by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Barack's a Muslim
      Sounds like a religious debate on IRC. /me Hector's a Hindu
    13. Re:Republicans by eggoeater · · Score: 1

      When Democrats do it to fellow Democrats, like Hillary's campaign is doing to Obama, it's called taking off the kid gloves. You really believe that this was coordinated from inside Hillary's campaign??
      ...remember the saying...you don't need a conspiracy when incompetency will suffice.
      All that happened was a few volunteers (I think it was three different people in separate instances) in Iowa were DUMB ENOUGH to forward a hoax email.
      Its crunch time for the candidates in Iowa and they'll take pretty much any idiot off the street as a volunteer.
      I'm surprised stuff like this doesn't happen more often.

    14. Re:Republicans by blackpaw · · Score: 2, Insightful
      Barack's a Muslim

      Um - no he's not. But even if he was - so what?

    15. Re:Republicans by try_anything · · Score: 1

      I didn't not think he wasn't, but then again, it's been awhile since I haven't not completely failed to ignore the race, and his campaign hasn't exactly been the least unsuccessful at not being not covered in the media.

    16. Re:Republicans by Grishnakh · · Score: 1

      Ron Paul bone chilling? Only if you're dumb enough to support the Iraq War, or you're some loony leftist who thinks the answer to our governmental problems is an even bigger, more intrusive Federal government which gets us involved in even more foreign wars.

    17. Re:Republicans by Grishnakh · · Score: 1

      and only the Republican who isn't bone chilling frightening is Ron Paul. When did the Republicans becomes Fascists?

      Here's a hint: Ron Paul isn't really a Republican (at least not a modern Republican). He's really a Libertarian disguising himself as a Republican, because it's a lot easier to get votes when you claim to be in one of the two mainstream parties, even if your platform is completely different. For instance, the Green Party candidates would probably win a lot more elections if they just decided to call themselves Democrats instead, and attempted to take over the Democratic party, rather than trying to be a separate party.

    18. Re:Republicans by MightyMartian · · Score: 1

      Or if your someone who knows that Ron Paul's America was wiped out by Lincoln, mainly because it was unsustainable.

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    19. Re:Republicans by Grishnakh · · Score: 1

      Why was it "unsustainable"? It's working just fine in Europe right now.

      I'm sorry, but if you think that smaller countries/states with more power, and weaker federal governments can't work, and that we need powerful, centralized governments, then it logically follows that you must also believe that we ultimately need a single, powerful, global government. I and most other Americans, I think, will absolutely reject that notion.

    20. Re:Republicans by MightyMartian · · Score: 1

      Nothing like a strawman. Par for the course for Ron Paul cultists.

      It didn't work because, when it came up against a major issue like slavery, where on the one side you had a technically correct Constitutional position put forward by the slave states against the states that refused slavery, and clauses like Interstate Commerce came into play (ever heard of a little ol' case called Dred Scott), the Federal government could come to no conclusion that actually worked.

      To be sure Lincoln certainly violated basic precepts that the Founding Fathers had put into play, but the only other choice was to see the dissolution of the Union.

      In short, it worked only because no one had the balls to either overthrow States Rights on a key issue or to simply accept that the Federal government had little or nothing to say on the matter.

      Lincoln killed Ron Paul's vision of America. I mean, the very idea of occupying the defeated Confederate states most assuredly would have had Jefferson and Madison rolling their graves. They saw the US much as Paul does.

      And what the hell does the EU have to do with this? Even its theorists, proponents and critics are realizing that you really can't have a super-state that isn't centralized. It is, in fact, a cause of major grief for those who object to the growing power of the EU.

      Open up a newspaper once in a while, and put down the religious tracts that the Ron Paulite Squad puts out. Libertarianism is a failed ideology. No one would stand for it.

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    21. Re:Republicans by jc42 · · Score: 1

      I'm still confused as to why him being a Muslim would be such a bad thing if it were true?

      Because he's running for president, and to a large part of the American population, all Muslims are jihadists, suicide bombers, and generally evil.

      Funny thing is that there's a minority population that has reacted to the events of September 2001 rather differently. One change over the past couple decades has been the accessibility via the Internet of information that wasn't easily available earlier. I remember looking for information on Islam back in the 80s, out of general historical curiosity, and finding that very little was easily available. There was almost nothing in local libraries or bookstores, even here in Boston with its flock of universities. Now, it only takes seconds or minutes to locate more expert information online than you could read in a lifetime. It's easy to find detailed data on any Muslim sect you can name (and also all the misinformation about them ;-). News from Muslim countries is easily available online, from local sources. They almost all publish in English and French as well as their local language. And, at least for now, the big companies and the government have stopped their attempts to block access to sites like aljazeera.com (or aljazeera.net, which has their elegant logo ;-).

      My wife and I are your typical American mongrels, with families from all over. Her family has a few Arabic-sounding names several generations back, and in Sept 2001, she decided it was time to tackle learning Arabic. She hadn't bothered earlier, because it had been just too difficult. But she quickly found good online sites, and is now routinely reading a number of Middle-Eastern news sources in Arabic rather than English. Some of her friends have been puzzled by this (especially as she claims to be an atheist ;-). But it's interesting that they tend to listen now when she goes into excruciating detail about how the local people see various news stories. And she'd be much more likely to vote for a moderate Muslim candidate than someone like Romney or Huckabee.

      I know a lot of people with similar attitudes. But, of course, they aren't typical of the majority of Americans, who do mostly view Muslims as evil. Those "Obama's a Muslim" claims are aimed at that sort of ignorance. People who are knowledgeable on the topic wouldn't be effected, of course, because they'd consider it irrelevant as long as he's the Kennedy type who wouldn't try to impose his religion on the rest of us.

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    22. Re:Republicans by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ...being religious and therefore irrational in any sense. Perhaps being UNreligious is proof of irrationality.
    23. Re:Republicans by David+Gould · · Score: 1

      When did the Republicans becomes Fascists? When did you start paying attention?
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    24. Re:Republicans by CodyRazor · · Score: 0

      ...noooo...

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    25. Re:Republicans by Grishnakh · · Score: 1

      To be sure Lincoln certainly violated basic precepts that the Founding Fathers had put into play, but the only other choice was to see the dissolution of the Union.

      And why is this a problem? How is it in any way acceptable to have a war and kill people just because they don't want to be governed by you? I'm sorry, but I can't think of any case where this is ever acceptable. Otherwise, it should be OK for me to come to your house, demand "protection" money, and shoot your children when you refuse.

      Lincoln killed Ron Paul's vision of America. I mean, the very idea of occupying the defeated Confederate states most assuredly would have had Jefferson and Madison rolling their graves. They saw the US much as Paul does.

      And their vision was the correct one.

      And what the hell does the EU have to do with this?

      Simple: the EU resembles the original USA's union far more closely than the current state of the USA does. It's a league of separate nations who have formed an economic union where they share the same currency, and have free trade between member nations, but otherwise are sovereign and separate. With NATO, they're somewhat united in military matters as well, for mutual self-defense.

      Even its theorists, proponents and critics are realizing that you really can't have a super-state that isn't centralized.

      You state this as if it's a fact, but you give nothing whatsoever to support your position. I reject this notion that you can't have a super-state that isn't centralized. You simply can't have a government that's responsive to local needs and concerns when it's located thousands of miles away in a different place where the people are different and the culture is different; people need to govern themselves: this is something called democracy that most claim to support. You can't have democracy if you're being governed by other people, from other places.

      Tell me, are you in favor of a North American union? Why not? How's that different from having a huge American federal government? If it's OK to have a huge Federal government, and being in a union is so important, why not include the Canadians and Mexicans in that union? Most Unionists seem to balk when I bring up the idea of uniting with Mexico for some reason. How about we unite with the rest of Central and South America too? After all, what's wrong with giving Castro and Chavez a say in the new "American_(continent)" government?

      Open up a newspaper once in a while, and put down the religious tracts that the Ron Paulite Squad puts out. Libertarianism is a failed ideology. No one would stand for it.

      More ridiculous assertions with nothing to back them up whatsoever. No one would stand for it? So no one wants liberty? Because that's what libertarianism is all about. If you're not in favor of it, it seems to follow that you're in favor of curtailing peoples' liberty. Are you in favor of Bush's new violations of civil liberties, such as the suspension of Habeus Corpus? What other liberties do we currently have that you think we don't really need?

    26. Re:Republicans by foreverdisillusioned · · Score: 1

      FYI, Muslims believe that Christ (Isa) was a prophet, that he was the promised messiah, and that he will return again in the final days. I know absolutely nothing about mosque naming conventions, but given all that, it wouldn't be TOO surprising to see one named in Isa's honor.

      Of course, Muhammad is revered above him and it's a sin to say that Jesus is the son of God, but it's still worth pointing out that there's a lot of overlap between the two religions there. If Judaism was a video game, Christianity and Islam would be mere expansion packs--not sequels.

    27. Re:Republicans by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If Judaism was a video game, Christianity and Islam would be mere expansion packs--not sequels.
      While I agree that there's a lot of overlap between the three Abrahamic religions, I can't agree with this claim. Christianity's underlying Bible engine involves about twice as much code as the version used to drive Judaism, and Islam's Koran engine is almost a complete rewrite. The graphics are redone from scratch each time, with very little reused content, each religion has a completely unique soundtrack.

      So, in fact, they are very like sequels in gaming terms: they're all set in the same universe, but they're distinct games rather than expansion packs, and Islam involves quite a bit of retconning too.
  26. realization! by HartDev · · Score: 1

    I realized that all the really smart people around are not that smart. They know some stuff but will not/cannnot apply it and so they squander their intelligence...

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  27. Link to the bloody index, idiots! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

    Nowhere in the summary did any of the links point to the bloody index!

    Isn't it still generally accepted to start at the beginning when reading, or has digg finally removed all semblance of intelligence from the general public?

  28. Offshoring is a non-solution to a non-problem. by sethstorm · · Score: 4, Insightful

    An additional benefit is that it has a rather sobering effect on local know-it-all's when they see that their work is in fact inferior to what we can get from a third world sourcing partner. Exception, not rule. The locals will end up cleaning after the large amounts of mistakes.

    It has a disciplining effect on the entire organization since the punishment for immaturity is harsh and tangible.

    After this sort of ego bruising they are more ready to accept modern and mature practices. Play $DEITY somewhere else, not with workers. If one has to add fear (by offshoring) over their heads to drive a point, something is terribly wrong.

    You're part of what makes people hate offshoring, you use it for fear, and not productivity.
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    1. Re:Offshoring is a non-solution to a non-problem. by nido · · Score: 3, Informative

      If one has to add fear (by offshoring) over their heads to drive a point, something is terribly wrong.

      You're more likely to get shot as well. Someone here once recommended Going Postal to me, and it covers such intentional marginalization of the working class, iirc.

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    2. Re:Offshoring is a non-solution to a non-problem. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > Exception, not rule. The locals will end up cleaning after the large amounts of mistakes.

      Evidence?

      From what I've seen, Indian workers are generally *better* educated than their American counterparts and produce work of a superior quality. Of course, there are exceptions to that, but as a general rule, the usa is NOT known for producing high quality work. Go almost anywhere in the world and ask what they think of American products, and generally the answer is going to be "shoddy".

    3. Re:Offshoring is a non-solution to a non-problem. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well first of all Indians are not used as much anymore due to they are too expensive. Working as a Windows Sysadmin I have spent many a nights working because I got a call because my overseas counter parts could not complete basic tasks like restarting services and patching.

    4. Re:Offshoring is a non-solution to a non-problem. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's easy to find people who can 'restart services and patch' - you can teach a bright chimp to do it. It's much harder to find good qualified engineers, who have any ring 0 experience, for example, or know anything about chip design. Americans can generally do the easy stuff, but for the complex and theoretical work, or anything needing advanced maths, Indians and Chinese are usually more qualified.

    5. Re:Offshoring is a non-solution to a non-problem. by The+One+and+Only · · Score: 1

      The funny thing is, your post makes just as much sense if you removed the capitalization and link from "Going Postal".

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    6. Re:Offshoring is a non-solution to a non-problem. by scsirob · · Score: 1

      Exception, not rule. The locals will end up cleaning after the large amounts of mistakes. That is no different from what happens if you have your project done locally. Locals will end up having to clean the gap between 'design' and requirements at one time or another.

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  29. And of course.. theyre also willing to accept.. by plasmacutter · · Score: 5, Insightful

    well, not willing to, more like "forced to" accept triple the workload they used to, resulting in fatigue around which an entire industry of pharmaceuticals arose to keep them up with stims rather than labor regulations to keep offshoring down so they can live healthy lives which involve rest and the possibility of actually speaking with and raising their kids.

    and of course they have to accept the erosion of their middle class status to the point they will never ever retire and can't ever afford a house.. "as the rents go up, and job opportunities go down"

    yes i'm sure our descent into third world status will "only" harm the "immature"

    and where do you get off declaring what is and is not mature? did it ever occur to you that you may be the one who isn't mature. Usually the ones who believe themselves far enough above others to pronounce judgment are themselves the fools.

    But yeah, go ahead and support the destruction of the middle class for your twisted sense of self righteousness regarding other people's maturity.

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    1. Re:And of course.. theyre also willing to accept.. by maeka · · Score: 4, Insightful

      But yeah, go ahead and support the destruction of the middle class for your twisted sense of self righteousness regarding other people's maturity.

      I would argue it is not destroying the middle class, so much as moving the middle class.
      Welcome to the global economy.
      There is going to be a painful transition period while the former third world achieves what they have not had for so long.
      Blame the old status-quo on imperialism, blame it on racism, blame it on whatever you want. Regardless, the world is becoming an increasingly level playing field - finally.

    2. Re:And of course.. theyre also willing to accept.. by plasmacutter · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I don't call the shipping of jobs to nations with no standards for labor or human rights a "movement" of the middle class.

      It is right to call it the destruction of the middle class.

      They dont gain our standard of living, but we lose our standard of living.

      Painful transition my arse, it's called corporations raping our nation and leaving us for dead while spineless politicians let them.

      It's called the renewal of the gilded age because spineless politicians let them.

      It has nothing to do with labor competition either. Studies show again and again that the education of so called "skilled labor" in other nations is not nearly the quality those in industrialized nations receive. They are not nearly as competent as workers, all they are is cheap labor to be exploited both for their work and to leverage americans into gilded age poverty.

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    3. Re:And of course.. theyre also willing to accept.. by maeka · · Score: 3, Insightful

      They might not gain "our standard of living" but they (as a whole, I'm not going to argue individual cases) a better standard of living.
      Without an influx of money and the growth of leisure, there never will be political reform, IMHO.

    4. Re:And of course.. theyre also willing to accept.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      forgot the word "gain"

    5. Re:And of course.. theyre also willing to accept.. by plasmacutter · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I have no compassion for their "growth of leisure" when we have none.

      We are at the point where we have our "leisure" from ages 1-18 and after that we never see any extended periods of "me time" again.

      compare this with 50 years ago when people could come home and kick back, now we are expected to work 18 hour days, 6 of them off the clock thanks to obscene deadlines and quotas.

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    6. Re:And of course.. theyre also willing to accept.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There is going to be a painful transition period while the former third world achieves what they have not had for so long.

      If you mean the Third World is going to become more like the First, forget it. The world's resources are overstretched as it is. Sure, it's only fair that the rich get poorer and the poor get richer -- but that's not what's happening. What is happening is labor arbitrage: some poor people in the Third World get thrown a bone in the form of sweatshop labor, the First World's middle class gets squeezed out of existence, and the First World's rich rake in ever more obscene profits.

      The First World's middle class should not be punished for the Third World's failure to get serious about population growth, education, and industrialization. The fact that the Third World is a train wreck is because people there were too busy reproducing as fast as they could, and fighting pointless wars. The result is disastrous overpopulation and poverty -- and now WE are supposed to compete with these people in a race to the bottom? No thanks, let's have a little more socialism and protectionism back in Western politics. How do you think the East Asian "tiger" economies got started?

    7. Re:And of course.. theyre also willing to accept.. by Jah-Wren+Ryel · · Score: 1

      I would argue it is not destroying the middle class, so much as moving the middle class. ...
      Regardless, the world is becoming an increasingly level playing field - finally. Except, it isn't. The assumption behind your belief is that the money flowing to the third world by way of outsourcing will stay there - be invested in the development of local businesses and infrastructure and ultimately generate more wealth in those local economies. In other words - as the labor supply increases so will the supply of capital.

      But, it has not worked out that way. Labor has increased, capital has not. A lot of the problem is because local 3rd world capitalists don't invest in local businesses, they take their earnings and invest it back into the 1st world (mostly the USA). So, in effect labor has been devalued and capital has increased in value.

      So, while small numbers of people have improved their economic status - e.g. indian software developers, filipino call-enter workers, etc. Those are just a small drop in the bucket of the populations of their countries.

      It does stand to reason that if things keep going the way they are, eventually the status quo will change. The Invisible Hand can not be denied forever. But that day may be a long way off and the longer it takes, the more dramatic and painful the transition will be due to the pent up imbalances.
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    8. Re:And of course.. theyre also willing to accept.. by maeka · · Score: 1

      There is no magic wand which converts currency.
      Wages paid in Indian Rupees must be spent (eventually) in India.
      It might be inefficiently moved around, it might be hoarded by "fat cats", but the fact remains: outsourced jobs create real economic growth in the countries in which the labor is performed.
      How to reform those economies so that the "have-nots" see more and the "haves" see less is exercise #2. First there must be money in the economy before you can distribute it equitably.

    9. Re:And of course.. theyre also willing to accept.. by GodfatherofSoul · · Score: 1

      It was our country's investment in its people and infrastructure that created our markets. For Corporate America to turn around and outsource the jobs, that only exist because of the marketplace created by our economy, is NOT what I call leveling the playing field. The issue with outsourcing is that Corporate America wants the benefits and protections afforded by the United States AND the cheap labor of the Third World to sell products INSIDE the United States.

      More power to Third World countries that develop their own economies to create goods and services to sell abroad. That's not the issue.

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    10. Re:And of course.. theyre also willing to accept.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Someone with nearly 2000 comments on a newer (900,000) era /. account is claiming they don't have any leisure time?

    11. Re:And of course.. theyre also willing to accept.. by prichardson · · Score: 1, Informative

      No, income disparity is rising, not falling. The rich keep getting richer and the poor keep getting poorer.

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    12. Re:And of course.. theyre also willing to accept.. by andy314159pi · · Score: 1

      Regardless, the world is becoming an increasingly level playing field - finally.
      Currency markets are failing in some cases, which is not allowing an actual level playing field. In the case of the yuan, the currency value is kept low by policy which is contributing to the dominance of China in the manufacturing sectors. In other cases, people invest their cash savings in denominations that feel stable to them and this ends up affecting the exchange rates. The economies that are moving forward the fastest are the ones that have exchange rates that promote export.
      The other salient point to keep in mind is that the American economy could function without importing anything from abroad with the exception of petroleum. If a populist political movement actually worked and started to close our economy to the world, then the standard of living would trend to where it was before globalization went into full swing. Poverty abroad is not and has never been imposed by the needs of our economy, with a couple of notable exceptions, all of which are specific to Latin America. So the idea that the new "open and fair trade" is going to fix India or any other nation is erroneous. Endemic poverty in many nations exists independently of decisions of the developed world, with occasional exceptions.
    13. Re:And of course.. theyre also willing to accept.. by sortius_nod · · Score: 1

      You sir are an idiot.

      After watching my father work for the last 20 years in under-developed nations (there is no such thing as this "third world" you fools speak of), attitudes like this are why people are forced to work in basically interment camps. They do not have what they've not had for so long, they do this because they need to earn MORE MONEY NOW due to rising costs in faltering economies.

      This is not the "global economy" this is global exploitation.

      The whole globalisation thing is imperialism, it is racism, it is exploitation. Just because you've stuck a new name on an old idea does not mean it makes things better, I would challenge ANYONE to go to these workers who we exploit in under-developed nations and say "what we're doing is GOOD for you and GOOD for your country".

    14. Re:And of course.. theyre also willing to accept.. by R2.0 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      "compare this with 50 years ago when people could come home and kick back, now we are expected to work 18 hour days, 6 of them off the clock thanks to obscene deadlines and quotas."

      No, SOME people could comehome and kick back - the upper-middle and upper class. Lower middle and lower class folks have ALWAYS had to work their asses off, mainly at shit jobs, for long hours and low pay.

      You are pissed because jobs that USED to produce an upper-middle class lifestyle don't do that anymore. Guess what - that kind of stuff happens all the time. Everyone here rails against the **AA's for not recognizing a failing business model, but somehow thinks individuals should be immune from those same rules. Why?

      IT jobs used to be a good path to the upper middle class; now they are not. Same with factory jobs. Welcome to reality.

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    15. Re:And of course.. theyre also willing to accept.. by Seumas · · Score: 3, Insightful

      The original parent says that part of the effect of outsourcing is that it sobers employees up so they'll be more malleable and pliable to executive whim instead of demanding unreasonable things like (at least) cost of living increases.

      Coming from a company that has had more layoffs than I can remember since 2000 (each taking about three to ten thousand people with it), I can tell you the changes I have witnessed in the local employees.

      The change is that many are no longer excited, hard-working, enthusiastic, imaginative employees who love their job and their employer and feel pride in supporting their brand (as if it were a sports team, even) and look forward to their daily work and how it progresses them toward their own personal dreams as well as their professional aspirations to climb the ladder internally.

      Instead, I find many who have been around for a very long time and feel demoralized, devalued and are in constant fear that they are going to be axed in the next round. Especially since there has often been little rhyme or reason to the people chosen to be dismissed. Most seem certain that THEY are next. And if not NEXT, then not soon after. And if it is inevitable, then why bother putting 110% of your energy and effort into it? I've seen formerly enthusiastic, extremely hard working, very intelligent, creative, productive, fantastic people become shells of themselves that mirror what I see when I'm standing in line at Carl's Junior and peeking into the back with the defeated fry-cook who feels he's just an automated process passing the minutes until he can clock out and go home.

      If that's the sort of sobering result you want, may the fates have mercy on whatever company *you* (the original poster) run.

    16. Re:And of course.. theyre also willing to accept.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > Everyone here rails against the **AA's for not recognizing a failing business model, but somehow thinks individuals should be immune from those same rules. Why?

      Because people think economic realities only apply to OTHER people, not to THEM. "Information wants to be free... except when its MY information". "It's not my fault you picked a failing business model... but don't YOU dare do anything that would cause MY business model to break down".

      It's always the same here. And if you don't agree with the group-think, you'll get modded into oblivion.

      Face it: it's a global marketplace now, and if a 3rd world engineer is willing to do your job for 1/10th the cost, HE deserves that job, you don't. Period. You are NOT more important just because you were born in a rich nation. This fact is going to come as a very rude surprise to many people in the next decade.

    17. Re:And of course.. theyre also willing to accept.. by plasmacutter · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Everyone here rails against the **AA's for not recognizing a failing business model, but somehow thinks individuals should be immune from those same rules. Why?


      There is a key difference in your fallacious comparison.

      The **AA is a failing business model, not a way of life.
      This implies another business model can take the place of the **AA

      This is not the case with offshoring.

      The middle class is not a business model pal, it is the american dream.

      IT jobs used to be a good path to the upper middle class; now they are not. Same with factory jobs. Welcome to reality.


      This is different from normal "structural unemployment" usually seen with advances in technology disrupting the normal order and giving rise to a new one.
      In such a case people can retrain and reasonably expect to regain their investment in that training.
      Offshoring doesn't work that way. They take one sector, people retrain for another, and then that one is pulled from under them before they can recoup the training costs, and the cycle goes on and on until people say #$@ it.

      So..
      years of college education no longer get you into the middle class
      factory jobs no longer get you into the middle class
      and.. theyre even offshoring Ph.D. level R&D to places like china

      so.. if no education, considerable education, and extremely high education all get you nowhere, exactly where is anyone's motivation to do anything?
      Exactly how is the american dream to survive without government officials putting their foot down?
      This isn't about simply being selfish either. Without a middle class consumption goes down, company sales drop, the US gdp drops. Maybe some other nation picks up the slack, but not before massive depression which impacts all other nations tied heavily to our economy. And of course, it all ends with the US as a third world nation.
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    18. Re:And of course.. theyre also willing to accept.. by plasmacutter · · Score: 1

      says anonymous coward.

      have something to hide do we?

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    19. Re:And of course.. theyre also willing to accept.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This is the unfortunate reality of the Adam Smith economy. Products start at a very high quality, and a premium when they're protected by temporary monopoly status (see: intellectual property rights, patents); then products gradually shift down in quality and price until they hit rock bottom.
      Rock bottom in this case being the point at which they maximize profit from low prices, high sales, and maximized margins (given the minimized prices).

      This is "good" according to economists.

      Economists aren't engineers. This is _bad_. Especially when those products are responsible for life (see: cars). Fortunately in some of those markets we simply have lots of regulations, and media (which is doing less and less every year in the U.S.A.).

      Scarcity is a reality. And a products real value (the cost to make it) is very real. You can only decrease it by failing to make it properly. Which is often done when you have products that are so complicated no consumer can understand them (see: cars, and lemon laws); we have regulations for this in some industries.

      Now I'm not suggesting regulating software, I'm very against it. But I see the problem creeping up in internal software. It's of insanely low quality, and there's millions of dollars in excuses developed for why when the real reason is: The company won't put out for decent software that would save incredible levels of pain and anguish for their employees who use said software. The pain and anguish is very real, sometimes minor and sometimes probably not so minor.

      Contrary to modern economic theory (see: people who failed out of mathematics and switched to economics in undergraduate school) money does not grow from faith: It's just a way to represent man hours, energy, raw materials, and anything else needed to PRODUCE things to CONSUME.
      But why believe in reality (a.k.a. scarcity) when you can believe quick fix economists desperate to make a name for themselves, sell books, and get political appointments.

      This is why we have outsourcing issues. It's because we (consumers, corporations, and anyone else who consumes a product of any form including work) buy CHEAP CRAP. We're spending most of our effort rewarding mediocrity at best, and gross negligence at worst.

    20. Re:And of course.. theyre also willing to accept.. by WrongMonkey · · Score: 2, Informative
      50 years ago the middle class household had:

      ~900 square foot home

      1 car

      1 small TV

      a refrigerator and a couple small appliances

      No computer, no video games, no cell phones, no cable TV

      If you are willing to accept all those conditions, I'm sure you can afford some more free time. If you want more material wealth than 50 years ago, then don't complain that you have to work harder than 50 years ago.

    21. Re:And of course.. theyre also willing to accept.. by BerntB · · Score: 1

      There is going to be a painful transition period while the former third world achieves what they have not had for so long.
      Blame the old status-quo on imperialism, blame it on racism, blame it on whatever you want. Regardless, the world is becoming an increasingly level playing field - finally.

      "Blame"? How about saying "thank you, West!"? No part of the world had it good before the west invented industrialization. Before, everyone had e.g. 20-30% child mortality, horrible diseases, lack of resources to educate people and hunger from periodical bad harvests.

      The best part is that in the end, the sh.tholes neighbors (Pakistan and Bangladesh) will have to copy the Indian recipe and become better places. It will be their only chance to keep the population happy.

      And all large social/industrial changes will get people caught in the middle; it is a fact of life. This time, it happens to be lots of us westerners. Let us just hope that the advances for humanity won't be squandered on wars or some other waste.

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    22. Re:And of course.. theyre also willing to accept.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You're advocating using our current power to artificially enforce the rich/poor gap in the world, denying people in other countries opportunities and forcing them to do work that you consider below your dignity. This is a kind of slavery, and someday your grandchildren will be ashamed of you.

      So..

      > years of college education no longer get you into the middle class

      Yeah, turns out you actually have to learn, improve yourself, find ways to get practical experience while in college. Drinking beer and chasing sorority girls, or even passing easy tests with grade inflation is not enough to be guaranteed a well-paying job. Guess what: if you have a B-average or below, you probably didn't learn as much as you should have. College gives you an opportunity to learn, not a guarantee of success.

      > factory jobs no longer get you into the middle class

      Neither do farming jobs. The world is changing, which skills are valuable is also changing. It's called progress, adapt or die. Any attempt to "preserve your way of life" by erecting artificial barriers will result in tragedies like the farm bill (which you can thank for the obesity and immigration problems, and more).

      > and.. theyre even offshoring Ph.D. level R&D to places like china

      No intelligent, hard-working Ph.D. in a science/engineering field is hurting for work opportunities in the US, as long as they're willing to move for jobs. We have to import them from other countries because not enough people can meet the bar here. The culture of entitlement that you defend is responsible both for reducing the requirements for graduation and the students' motivation (why work harder when you'll get a degree in 6 years anyway).

      > The middle class is not a business model pal, it is the american dream.

      The American Dream is that hard work is rewarded, and everyone has the chance to succeed if they work hard. It's a wonderful ideal, and it's even more wonderful that it's growing to encompass the entire world. And yes, if the entire world is a meritocracy, you have to work as hard as someone in India to achieve the same level of success. That's a good thing, and if they can work for lower wages you have more opportunities to develop your skills. If you can't figure out how to be useful in this economy, tough shit.

    23. Re:And of course.. theyre also willing to accept.. by R2.0 · · Score: 1

      "This is different from normal "structural unemployment" usually seen with advances in technology disrupting the normal order and giving rise to a new one.
      In such a case people can retrain and reasonably expect to regain their investment in that training.
      Offshoring doesn't work that way. They take one sector, people retrain for another, and then that one is pulled from under them before they can recoup the training costs, and the cycle goes on and on until people say #$@ it."

      You are drawing a distinction where there is none. Factory workers were the FIRST to be affected by "offshoring", only then it was called "foreign imports". And by and large they DIDN'T retrain for another high paying job. Some survived better than others, but a great most didn't do it by "retraining".

      And it is "advances in technology" that are disrupting the IT trade. The ability to communicate vast quantities of information over long distances in a short time - you know, the internet - is what has made offshoring IT jobs possible.

      As for a depression turning us into a 3rd world country? What a laugh. The US will probably lose it's importance as the largest economic force in the world. How that turns into begging for handouts from the IMF I'm not sure.

      As for the American dream, you missed my point in my original post - it never really existed! at least for most. There has always been a huge underclass, mainly working in low wage jobs, so that a few could live a good life. The "American Dream" is a myth perpetrated by advertising men to convince folks that their life is somehow incomplete, but wouldn't be if they only bought Product X. It's an historical accident that the US went through a period where the ratio of peons:priviledged got closer to equity. That's going away.

      You're a peon. Do something to get yourself out of it - other than flapping your gums about "Exactly how is the american dream to survive without government officials putting their foot down?"

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      "As God is my witness, I thought turkeys could fly." A. Carlson
    24. Re:And of course.. theyre also willing to accept.. by kklein · · Score: 4, Interesting

      I'm an academic, and the single biggest reason is that I'm a workaholic and if the place didn't almost shut down for 4 months of the year, I'd work myself to an early grave. As it is now, though, I work my ass off 8 months of the year, and 4 months of the year I'm blessed and cursed to be able to get almost nothing done (well, nothing that requires the organization). It's been very good for my health and mental well-being, if not necessarily for my wallet.

      Over the last summer break, I spent about a week staying with my friends who work at a major IT company as developers. I saw their lives, and was envious. They make a lot more money, they come home earlier, and it is virtually impossible for them to work at home, so they don't. "Damn," I thought, "I really did pick the wrong career." But then I noticed something: I was staying at their house in a different country from where I live for a week, and that was just one week out of about 7 or 8 in a row that I didn't have to report to work. I was still getting some things done on the laptop, but that had much more to do with my workaholic nature than necessity. "Damn," I thought, "maybe I picked the right career after all."

      The point I'm trying to make is that you are ultimately in control of your time. You are. Really. It's your time. Your life. If you feel that you are losing it to a company, and the money isn't worth it, you need to change gears. It's not their fault. It's your fault for doing it.

      Now, this decision will most certainly result in a decrease in income. It may mean you aren't buying a house (if you're in the US, this is a terrible time to buy anyway--wait for the market to really crash first--and if you already bought, you have my sympathy), it may mean that vacation is usually spent on the couch instead of on the beach. It may mean you will be hanging on to your old car and just keeping it going until it dies. It means you don't get the "American Dream" kind of life people in my generation seem to somehow feel is necessary. BUT, you will get your life back.

      Depending on who you are as a person--whether you value money or time more--this may or may not be a viable lifestyle choice. But the choice is there.

      Finally, however, I want to address this idea that we work harder than our elders. I think that is really only the case on Leave it to Beaver. In talking to my parents, both of their parents worked. Mom got home earlier than Dad (schoolteachers in both cases), but Dad (a lawyer on one side and a shopkeeper on the other) got home late. Anecdotal evidence, I know, but I really think that we have too rosy a view of our elders' lives. In my own parents' case, they run a business that is attached to the house, so they were around a lot, but were also usually working. When my dad had to go out, which was/is almost every day, he didn't come home until late (8-9). He also gets called out to truck wrecks (independent insurance adjuster specializing in the hard stuff that companies hire a third party to handle) in the middle of the night fairly regularly, and might not come shuffling back home for 18 hours, after dealing with cops, insurance companies, grief-ridden truck drivers, and the survivors of the family they just killed. That being said, there are down periods with little work and no money, and I grew up being pulled out of school during those periods to drive around the country and learn things. My parents basically made the same choice I did. Time is more important than money.

      Further, think of the Depression generation! They didn't work because there wasn't any. Lots of time, but absolutely no money. If they did work, it was long hours in a dusty field. And before that? The agriculture- and manufacturing-based economy. The ag business is still crazy hours (grew up in a little town--had lots of friends who were farm kids and grew up working), and the only reason manufacturing went to 8 hours a day is that in the 20s factories were literally working people to deat

    25. Re:And of course.. theyre also willing to accept.. by TapeCutter · · Score: 1

      I'm special, the world owes me a living, it's all the governments fault, waaa, waaa, waaa! - Insightfull?

      --
      And did you exchange a walk on part in the war for a lead role in a cage? - Pink Floyd.
    26. Re:And of course.. theyre also willing to accept.. by Bertie · · Score: 1

      So we can afford more stuff. Great.

      Think about this (by the way, I'm from the UK, so things are a bit different, but I suppose the pattern's the same). My parents got married and bought themselves a three-bedroom semi-detached house with gardens front and back in a fairly nice area of town. My dad was 22 and worked in a factory which built industrial machinery, my mother was 18 and a pretty lowly office admin type. We were never well-off when I was growing up, but we never really struggled either - we had a car, we went on holiday every year, and so on.

      Go back a generation further and my grandparents had that modern British middle-class dream and mainstay of daytime TV, a little holiday cottage in the countryside. And they really weren't well-off - my grandmother was a cleaner, for goodness' sake.

      I'm older now than my parents were when they got married, and in a pretty good job, and adjusted for inflation I'd bet I'm earning somewhere near twice as much as the two of them put together, and yet I couldn't dream of affording a house like the one they bought right after they got married. Hell, I can't even get together a deposit to buy a one-bedroom shithole.

      And I don't know about you, but when I was a kid, quite a lot of mothers didn't work, and the father's wages were enough to support the whole family. Nowadays nobody seems to be able to afford to do this (although childcare's so astronomically expensive sometimes I think they'd have more money if mother stayed at home, to say nothing of the benefits it would bring for the children, but I digress).

      And they call it progress.

      So what if we're able to afford more gadgets, when we can't afford the fundamentals of a half-decent standard of living, even when we're ostensibly far more prosperous? It's all bread and circuses, distracting us from the fact that, actually, modern life is rubbish.

    27. Re:And of course.. theyre also willing to accept.. by Ignis+Flatus · · Score: 1

      Face it: it's a global marketplace now, and if a 3rd world engineer is willing to do your job for 1/10th the cost, HE deserves that job, you don't. Period. You are NOT more important just because you were born in a rich nation. This fact is going to come as a very rude surprise to many people in the next decade.
      i think you're missing out on something important, though, and that is a sense of community. for any nation to be successful, it's important that the people all have a sense of belonging to the same 'tribe'. and with any tribe, your success in life isn't simply dependent on your individual success, but the success of the tribe as a whole. i don't know about you, but the nation i live in did not become the largest economy in the world on the basis of just a few individuals, it was a group effort. and if we intend to maintain that level of success, then it's important that people have loyalty to the other members of their tribe that made their success possible.

      now, a few people have had success far beyond the expectations of the average Joe. and maybe they've decided that they are now a citizen of the world and would like to move their asses and assets offshore, say to the Bahamas or Dubai. well, more power to them, and good riddance. but when it becomes time to defend yourselves from invaders, i won't be there. which, incidentally, is also the reason you want to maintain a robust engineering force domestically. you will need them one day.

      now, i'm sure some libertarian out there will preach economics to me. but i must remind you that your Rand Objectivism is not simply about economics, but self-interest. and, whether you realize it or not, your self-interest is at stake here.
    28. Re:And of course.. theyre also willing to accept.. by MorePower · · Score: 1

      So, somehow knock 180 square feet off my condo, sell my Wii and my cell phone (my laptop and car technically belong to my company, I don't have cable and my small old TV is only to play the Wii on anyway) and I can live a life of leisure? Where do I sign up?

      No part time job could possibly make my mortgage payment, which accounts for nearly 60% of my expenditures, and once working full time the handful of material goods I do bother with are peanuts.

      I do like my job well enough, as jobs go, but it doesn't allow for any sort of outside-of-work life, and I'm saving just as fast as I possibly can for retirement, which can't come soon enough.

    29. Re:And of course.. theyre also willing to accept.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Do you? you never responded to his remark.

    30. Re:And of course.. theyre also willing to accept.. by MarkWatson · · Score: 1

      I wish that I had mod points to give you - very well said!

      I wrote about this last week: http://markwatson.com/blog/2007/12/consulting-and-working-at-home-when.html

      The really important thing is to understand yourself and your own priorities. Except for travel, my wife and I have always chosen a less ritzy life style in return for a lot more free time. In the last 25 years, I have probably averaged about 30 hours per week (not counting my writing 14 books, which I enjoy a lot and do not really count as taking up free time).

    31. Re:And of course.. theyre also willing to accept.. by R2.0 · · Score: 1

      "The other salient point to keep in mind is that the American economy could function without importing anything from abroad with the exception of petroleum. If a populist political movement actually worked and started to close our economy to the world, then the standard of living would trend to where it was before globalization went into full swing. "

      Dude, that's like saying that a human being can survive without consuming anything they don't make themselves, except air. The US needs oil like babies need milk, and yes, we need to grow up, but we're not there yet.

      But let's enter the oil free fairyland. You propose turning back the clock, which has never been done, and pretending we are in the late 60's/early 70's. Hmmm...stagflation, price controls, shitty industrial and consumer product that don't last more than a few years. Yeah, I wanna go back...not.

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      "As God is my witness, I thought turkeys could fly." A. Carlson
    32. Re:And of course.. theyre also willing to accept.. by R2.0 · · Score: 0, Troll

      Chairman Mao called - he wants his rhetoric back, and also to correct your spelling in interNment.

      Of course, if your upbringing includes 20 years as the child of a westerner working in "under-developed nations" - aka shitholes - we can't really expect you to have a remotely realistic outlook on reality. Are we talking social worker with an NGO, UN official, diplomat? It really doesn't matter - you've been fed a 20 year line of socialist bullshit and told it was foi gras. Eat up - maybe one day it will be relevant to someone other than college student who takes "protest vacations" on Daddy's dime.

      (Although if your Dad was a mercenary, I'd pay more attention to you, but that's impossible, because mercenaries know better than to bring their familites to the places they are hired)

      --
      "As God is my witness, I thought turkeys could fly." A. Carlson
    33. Re:And of course.. theyre also willing to accept.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Those posts weren't written in anyone's free time.

      What do you think people do at work? Work? Hah!

    34. Re:And of course.. theyre also willing to accept.. by Jah-Wren+Ryel · · Score: 1

      Wages paid in Indian Rupees must be spent (eventually) in India. Don't be silly. I am not talking about wages. I am talking about the profits of the businesses. The businesses are paid in US dollars, for the most part those dollars have been re-invested in the US financial markets. Wages are only a small part of the picture.
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      When information is power, privacy is freedom.
    35. Re:And of course.. theyre also willing to accept.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Unlike you, of course, who is nothing but open on the Internet. Speaking of which, plasmacutter is an odd real, legal name... is it Dutch?

    36. Re:And of course.. theyre also willing to accept.. by phantomcircuit · · Score: 2, Insightful

      The real problem is that there isn't a real middle class; there are the rich, the poor, and the well off poor. To say that the well off poor are the "middle" class is grossly overstating the amount of money they have.

    37. Re:And of course.. theyre also willing to accept.. by wall0159 · · Score: 1

      while I agree with you, it potentially means a cut to our standard of living (particularly when things like global warming are considered). Also, the wealthiest people see this as an opportunity to increase their wealth, power and influence - they have no intention of becoming "less wealthy" for the global good.

      I think we need to change our priorities. We need meaningful lives, not a new TV and car every 12 months.

    38. Re:And of course.. theyre also willing to accept.. by srussia · · Score: 1



      Think about this (by the way, I'm from the UK, so things are a bit different, but I suppose the pattern's the samee)... Go back a generation further and my grandparents had that modern British middle-class dream and mainstay of daytime TV, a little holiday cottage in the countryside.

      The pattern is the same but the timing is different. Your grandparants were still enjoying the privileges of empire... and control of the world's reserve currency. Go East young man.
      --
      Set your phasers on "funky"!
    39. Re:And of course.. theyre also willing to accept.. by aevans · · Score: 1

      So if education isn't getting you what you want, try something else--like maybe work, or honesty, or kindness, or humility, or learning. By "education" what you realy mean is either birth into privilege and a certificate from a institution of the privileged to prove it, or government funded institutions that declare everyone "educated" by fiat, when all they've really done is learn to parrot some nonsense and drink beer.

    40. Re:And of course.. theyre also willing to accept.. by aevans · · Score: 1

      Why should the "haves" see less?

    41. Re:And of course.. theyre also willing to accept.. by Firethorn · · Score: 1

      You are drawing a distinction where there is none. Factory workers were the FIRST to be affected by "offshoring", only then it was called "foreign imports". And by and large they DIDN'T retrain for another high paying job. Some survived better than others, but a great most didn't do it by "retraining".

      By and large though, our manufacturing sector still builds an amazing array of items, thus factory workers would end up having to find another factory job, learning by OJT their new duties.

      Our unemployment isn't high enough to say that they're still unemployed.

      As for the American dream, you missed my point in my original post - it never really existed! at least for most.

      I'd argue that the 'american dream' is a stereotype. Some people are happier living in an apartment(no maintenance to worry about!), living close enough to great restraunts and services that they don't need a car, etc...

      Even so, home ownership is at a all time high, even with the current situation with the housing market we aren't likely to lose much ground there.

      As for disruptions - get used to it. It's always occured in some form or another. At least today such disruptions don't generally result in fatalities. Nobody weeps for the buggy whip makers, after all.

      --
      I don't read AC A human right
    42. Re:And of course.. theyre also willing to accept.. by Firethorn · · Score: 1

      although childcare's so astronomically expensive sometimes I think they'd have more money if mother stayed at home, to say nothing of the benefits it would bring for the children, but I digress.

      You are not incorrect. My mother is an accountant, and occasionally does financial reviews of people's household finances and budgets. Call it a personallized financial management session.

      More than once her advice has been for the mother to quit - by the time you added up the cost of work clothes, commuting&vehicle cost, daycare, additional income taxes, etc... It often costs more money for the mother to be working than not working. Part of the reason that I normally object to government subsidized daycare - it doesn't make financial sense. In one case she recommended the father quit to take care of the kids. In other cases, such as when the kids are in school, a part time job can make sense - drop kids off at school, go to work, pick up kids on way home.

      As for your housing situation - part of the problem is increased population levels. From what I've read, the UK is in a serious housing shortage - which will lead to the increased prices you describe. That and a similar 'values always go up!' attitude much like what prevailed in the USA for such a long time.

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      I don't read AC A human right
    43. Re:And of course.. theyre also willing to accept.. by Firethorn · · Score: 1

      I'd argue that finding a 'middle class' is rather easy, with the caveat that people's perception of that 'class' can vary widely.

      If nothing else, toss people in the top third of income into 'rich', the bottom third into 'poor' and the rest into 'middle class'.

      But there's still the confusion between wealth and income - I could have ten million stuffed under my mattress and be considered below the poverty line because I have no income, or make a million dollars a year and still being 'poor' because between my gambling addiction, seven ex wives and 14 children I have to pay child support for I have none of it left and live in a old station wagon. Extreme examples to make a point.

      For example, though I'm hardly rich I made about a month's income off my investments last year due to simple demands and good financial management. I'm not hurting for money, so I'd consider myself middle class. I could have that big HDTV if I wanted, but I don't feel like spending the money. I don't have to strictly budget either.

      --
      I don't read AC A human right
    44. Re:And of course.. theyre also willing to accept.. by cellocgw · · Score: 1

      50 years ago the middle class household had:

      ~900 square foot home

      1 car

      1 small TV

      a refrigerator and a couple small appliances


      Yeh, except that a nice TV now costs about 5% (in inflation-adjusted dollars) of what one (of similar screen size) cost in 1958. Plus it's got a remote and a far better color reproduction scheme.

      The reason we have 2 cars now is that we have two income-earners.
      The relative maintenance cost (including heat/AC) does not scale anything like linearly with the square footage. And a 1958 house had little or no insulation to begin with.

      So there :-)

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    45. Re:And of course.. theyre also willing to accept.. by Copid · · Score: 1

      Contrary to modern economic theory (see: people who failed out of mathematics and switched to economics in undergraduate school) money does not grow from faith: It's just a way to represent man hours, energy, raw materials, and anything else needed to PRODUCE things to CONSUME. But why believe in reality (a.k.a. scarcity) when you can believe quick fix economists desperate to make a name for themselves, sell books, and get political appointments.
      I agree with your points on software, but I seriously doubt that you'll find many economists who disagree with this paragraph (except for the implied part about economists being dumbasses). Maybe you didn't totally understand the points your economics professors were trying to impress upon you? Remember: The economics experts on television are to real economists what the computer experts on television are to real computer experts.
      --
      An interesting anagram of "BANACH TARSKI" is "BANACH TARSKI BANACH TARSKI"
    46. Re:And of course.. theyre also willing to accept.. by s20451 · · Score: 1

      I've often wondered why we in the west feel so entitled to our middle-class lifestyle that we are willing to demand legislation that would guarantee continued poverty in the developing world. People in India and China have as much right to prosperity as we do; it's rather crass and tribalist to argue otherwise.

      --
      Toronto-area transit rider? Rate your ride.
    47. Re:And of course.. theyre also willing to accept.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0


      You nailed it on the head when you said "It is the american dream". It was a [i]dream[/i] and it is now over. Snap. USA is too big for its britches and the world economy will wake you up soon, because the dream is over and it was never viable on a long term scale in the first place.

      Funny thing is, most Americans will not understand why they are wrong when they feel like they are being disenfranchised by the movement of the world economy. Ah well.

    48. Re:And of course.. theyre also willing to accept.. by Arterion · · Score: 1

      I think if you compare all the job fields, you'll find that many of them have lost their earning power, while few of them have gained earning power. What you're saying is definitely true, but I don't think it's the point some of the other posters are trying to make. It's not just IT paying less, it's everything. And where is the money going? I know it's not going to low-wage jobs, because those still don't pay enough to live on.

      All I can guess is that the ultra-wealthy are becoming even wealthier (short-term) at the expensive of the middle class. That hypothesis would also correspond nicely to the plummeting value of the dollar. By and large, yes, politicians are to blame. They more often than not represent the aforementioned ultra-wealthy, because that's the class they came from, or because they are bribed into submission under the guise of "campaign funding".

      --
      "That which does not kill us makes us stranger." -Trevor Goodchild
    49. Re:And of course.. theyre also willing to accept.. by Kelbear · · Score: 1

      It's not all that difficult to see why western citizens feel entitled to their elected officials to serve the west.

      There's no such thing as an innate right. Rights are just another way of establishing "Things that we are going to have whether you like it or not because otherwise we'll have it by force."

      American rights are setup through law, the whole system of government, protest, etc. Sovereign governments via military... It's all quite tribal. Being tribal or not is pretty moot when you get right down to it. It's "Us" or "Them". Nobody really gives a shit about what they don't know or understand, I won't worry about an african baby that died yesterday(I can pretty much guarentee there was one), I won't worry about an insect I stepped on. I will worry when something happens to me and those I actually do care about. I'll take care of them /first/ and worry about the rest later on. I'm not going to ignore those close at hand in favor of those far away.

      Disapprove all you like, but it's your opinion against mine.

    50. Re:And of course.. theyre also willing to accept.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      >There is going to be a painful transition period while the former
      >third world achieves what they have not had for so long.

      Huh? Are the entitled to it? Hardly.

      To the victor go the spoils! Long may we stay the victor!

      I wish you a painful transition into deeper dispair!

  30. religion by wizardforce · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I changed my mind about religion, ironically it was because I started going back to church that I realized I didn't believe any of it.

    --
    Sigs are too short to say anything truly profound so read the above post instead.
    1. Re:religion by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And why don't you change your mind about being a troll? When you went back to church in the first place, you were already questioning. Otherwise you would have never left.

    2. Re:religion by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      See #4
      (Note:Although I do disagree with the general sentiment, this is not directed to the parent poster, just those who modded)

    3. Re:religion by GWBasic · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I changed my mind about religion, ironically it was because I started going back to church that I realized I didn't believe any of it.

      I realized that a large group of people like getting up on Sunday mornings to sing songs and look at each other's fancy clothes. I realized that religion is more of a social thing then a belief.

      I realized that people fear things like the earth being round, or the earth orbiting the sun, or evolution, because they're afraid that such knowledge will destroy their ability to get up on Sunday mornings and sing songs.

      I realized that far too many people let emotion get in the way of logic.

    4. Re:religion by InvisblePinkUnicorn · · Score: 2, Insightful

      "I realized that far too many people let emotion get in the way of logic."

      Your emotional urge to follow logic no matter where it goes is something you should examine more closely.

      -- A fellow atheist.

    5. Re:religion by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Take a listen to this, religion is not an answer...

      http://www.livingwaters.com/learn/hellsbestkeptsecret.htm

      it will take 1 hour of your life, and is well worth it

    6. Re:religion by pablodiazgutierrez · · Score: 1

      Interesting. I've also changed my view on religion. Or lack of it, really. I used to be an agnostic, or at least I thought I was. You know, being impossible to prove that a god doesn't exist and all that. But reading The God Delusion was mind boggling to me. I loved its treatment of the god hypothesis as a scientifically testable phenomenon. Why should we remain agnostic towards the idea of a supernatural being anymore than we are about an orbiting teapot, too distant to be observed? Now I'm openly atheist.

    7. Re:religion by srussia · · Score: 1

      I realized that far too many people let emotion get in the way of logic.

      Turn in your geek card, everybody knows "emotional" Capt. Kirk always ended up being right over "logical" Dr. Spock.
      --
      Set your phasers on "funky"!
    8. Re:religion by Spudds · · Score: 1

      And why exactly would you postulate that the GP's urge to follow logic is emotional rather than rational?

      The contrary seems more likely to me.

      -- Yet another Fellow Atheist

    9. Re:religion by InvisblePinkUnicorn · · Score: 1

      Following reason is just like a religion, except it's backed up by evidence and rationale. Reason provides the explanation for why it is probable that doing X will result in Y, but for a person to actually act on this rationale requires a leap. This is just a restatement of Hume's is-ought problem.

    10. Re:religion by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I also changed my mind about religion - After reading Dawkins "The God Delusion" I started going to church again and found, somewhat to my surprise, that I do believe in it after all.

    11. Re:religion by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      everybody knows "emotional" Capt. Kirk always ended up being right over "logical" Dr. Spock.
      sleeping with the alien queen to stop a war doesn't count.
  31. Changed my mind about the future of the US. by lcoscare · · Score: 0, Troll

    I changed my opinion about the future of the United States and Capitalism. I was completely pesimisstic and was predicting complete economic and social collapse. But, thanks to Ron Paul, I realized that it was possible to go back to what made America great, and away from this welfare/warfare fascist/socialist mess that will eventually bankrupt the country. Thanks to Ron Paul, I also changed my mind about the Federal Bank. I always realized that the bank was the reason for the housing and dot com bubbles, but I always assumed that the bank was necessary, but Ron Paul made me realize that a better system is possible.

    1. Re:Changed my mind about the future of the US. by damburger · · Score: 4, Informative

      Ron Paul is a dangerous fad. He does not believe in evolution and he wants to scrap what little healthcare the poor in the US have access to (bear in mind that the US already has lower life expectancy and higher infant mortality than European countries that spend less per capita on healthcare). His platform is yanking away what little social protections exist in the US so that the middle classes can pay less tax, and considering that the US isn't nearly as far from mass famine as you would think a developed country would be - http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/in_depth/7148880.stm - its a recipe for a Katrina-like failure on a far bigger scale.

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    2. Re:Changed my mind about the future of the US. by schnikies79 · · Score: 1

      The less social "protections" we have, the better. Life expectancy is a personal choice, no amount of health care will fix someone eating crap.

      Mass famine? We grow enough food to feed the world, let alone ourselves. Get real.

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    3. Re:Changed my mind about the future of the US. by damburger · · Score: 1

      You obviously don't know what you are talking about. The world produces enough to feed everyone but around 25,000 a day starve to death - its a distribution problem. And if you had troubled yourself to read the article I posted you would know there are millions who are food insecure across America.

      The idea that life expectancy is a personal choice is one that could only be entertained by someone coddled by a privileged existence and having no concept of life outside such an upbringing. I notice you didn't have the nerve to mention the infant mortality I mentioned, so perhaps there is some hope for you taking off your middle-class blinkers and relating to the real world.

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    4. Re:Changed my mind about the future of the US. by schnikies79 · · Score: 1

      Mainly because I don't know anything about infant mortality, but I do know life expectancy.

      Life expectancy in the US is mainly a choice. The leading cause of death is heart disease, which is commonly caused by obesity. Obesity is mostly a choice.

      I am (and was) talking about the US. Are there hungry people in the US? Of course. Will it will anything like Africa? Not in my lifetime.

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    5. Re:Changed my mind about the future of the US. by MightyMartian · · Score: 1

      It must be fascinating beliving an ideology so removed from reality. The only that keeps civilization going is the bread and the circuses. The Romans understood that, having experienced more than a few riots. Ron Paul is an idiot, a historical ignoramus who simply doesn't understand what civilization is and why it works. He's your standard over-the-top libertarian.

      Fortunately he has absolutely no chance of becoming President.

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    6. Re:Changed my mind about the future of the US. by lcoscare · · Score: 1, Insightful

      Which part is removed from reality? His talking about free markets? Minimal government? Austrian economics??? He has written a dozen books, many about foreign policy and economic history, and he was good friends with Milton Friedman, so I don't understand how you can call him a historical ignoramus.

    7. Re:Changed my mind about the future of the US. by FiloEleven · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Ron Paul is a dangerous fad. He does not believe in evolution So what? His beliefs also prevent him from trying to force others to follow them.

      and he wants to scrap what little healthcare the poor in the US have access to (bear in mind that the US already has lower life expectancy and higher infant mortality than European countries that spend less per capita on healthcare) Point taken.

      His platform is yanking away what little social protections exist in the US so that the middle classes can pay less tax Wrong - his platform is personal liberty, one of the ideals that this country was founded upon. I happen to be a Ron Paul supporter, though I'm not convinced that all of his ideas will work as he thinks they will. Here's the thing though: I would rather have him championing my freedom, scaling back our massive government, and causing some problems with health care than have the same old shit go another round. We're not in great shape as a country, as any liberty-minded person will tell you. If Ron Paul can succeed only in tearing down a lot of what's been built up, leaving the possibly more difficult job of finding a better solution to someone else, I'm satisfied with that because something will finally be getting done.
    8. Re:Changed my mind about the future of the US. by damburger · · Score: 1

      Wrong - his platform is personal liberty, one of the ideals that this country was founded upon. I happen to be a Ron Paul supporter, though I'm not convinced that all of his ideas will work as he thinks they will. Here's the thing though: I would rather have him championing my freedom, scaling back our massive government, and causing some problems with health care than have the same old shit go another round. We're not in great shape as a country, as any liberty-minded person will tell you. If Ron Paul can succeed only in tearing down a lot of what's been built up, leaving the possibly more difficult job of finding a better solution to someone else, I'm satisfied with that because something will finally be getting done.

      The question that is rarely asked of self-proclaimed advocates of personal liberty, is what persons they want liberty for. The poor are so because they are forcibly denied access to material goods, by the institution of property. Why should they accept such a system? Many don't and millions of them are dragged through the 'justice' system because of it. So you create a social safety net, so that those who for whatever reason can't make it on their own, and thus treated more fairly the poor and needy are more likely to accept the system. Note the comparatively minuscule prison populations in Europe.

      But libertarians like Ron Paul don't agree. They want to tear up this social contract because there is a financial cost to it, and this cost is being paid in taxes by wealthier members of society. Their liberty is being infringed a little, I grant you - but doing so provides greater liberty for the more numerous poor in that they are not forced to occupy all their time working to survive and queuing for food. Libertarians only support liberty for people who are rich or at least comfortable (as they invariably are).

      Total free markets have been tried before - and they resulting in horrific poverty, famine and economic collapse.

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    9. Re:Changed my mind about the future of the US. by 75th+Trombone · · Score: 2, Insightful

      he wants to scrap what little healthcare the poor in the US have access to (bear in mind that the US already has lower life expectancy and higher infant mortality than European countries that spend less per capita on healthcare)

      So if they spend less on socialized healthcare than we do, yet they're doing better, then obviously the amount we're spending is not the problem, and perhaps if we spent less and changed some things at the same time, maybe our situation would get better.

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    10. Re:Changed my mind about the future of the US. by damburger · · Score: 1

      I wasn't advocating spending more, I was advocating the US joining the great mass of civilised countries in providing free healthcare at the point of delivery. My personal experience of the NHS (as a patient and a worker) and the experiences of my friends and family at the hands of the US healthcare system back up the assessment.

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    11. Re:Changed my mind about the future of the US. by MightyMartian · · Score: 1

      Because he fantasizes about the essentially Madisonian-Jeffersonian state, which was, as a little thing called the Civil War, demonstrated.

      I suspect that Ron Paul is among that group of absolute historical fools who actually believes the Civil War was about slavery.

      And as to books. Van Daniken wrote lots of those too. It's the quality of the ideas that counts.

      What is it with you Ron Paul cultists anyways?

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    12. Re:Changed my mind about the future of the US. by istewart · · Score: 1

      Your stance against property ensures that your philosophy will have limited applicability towards meaningful change. Even after the US is humbled by the developing financial crisis, the vast majority of people will still want to be sure that they can call their junk theirs. That is why capitalism endures: even though it visibly sucks, the common man believes it to be the only system under which there are guaranteed provisions for individual rights and private property. If you want true social change in America, you cannot put collectivism forward as the only, or even the best, alternative to capitalism. That is why I embrace the Ron Paul campaign, warts and all. Most of his supporter base will probably never progress beyond Objectivist bullcrap or the Mises Institute's party line, but there will be people left over with a genuine interest in developing individualism as a rigorous social theory. In fact, there are already people out there thinking along these lines, but they don't get much exposure because they're diametrically opposed to capitalists and state-socialists both. For instance, I recommend this book by an ex-World Bank speechwriter named David Ellerman: http://ellerman.org/Davids-Stuff/Books/p&c.htm

      Along the same lines, the "social contract" is not a very good metaphor. Could you show me this contract? What are the terms? Who drafted it? Who signed it? Why doesn't everybody carry around a wallet-sized copy for reference purposes? Of course, the standard Ron Paul supporter answer would be that the Constitution is the only social contract we have, and in terms of legal documents, they'd be right. Social contract ideology muddles the definition of the word "contract" in an attempt to counter capitalist rhetoric, but it falls flat with the people it's trying to convert. If you wish to present poverty and inequality as inevitable consequences of capitalism, you're far better off doing so in a deliberative, logical fashion; even if the average American does have the attention span of a newt. The "social contract" is a woeful attempt to package all that logic into a sound bite, and just like sound bites in popular politics, it lowers the overall level of debate.

    13. Re:Changed my mind about the future of the US. by MightyMartian · · Score: 1

      But libertarians like Ron Paul don't agree. They want to tear up this social contract because there is a financial cost to it, and this cost is being paid in taxes by wealthier members of society. Their liberty is being infringed a little, I grant you - but doing so provides greater liberty for the more numerous poor in that they are not forced to occupy all their time working to survive and queuing for food. Libertarians only support liberty for people who are rich or at least comfortable (as they invariably are).


      What liberty is being infringed upon by the rich paying more taxes? They have a representative government. They can certainly afford to buy candidates, giving them much more real influence than Joe Average.

      The alternative is what caused so many horrible revolutions in Europe starting with the French Revolution; wealth and power concentrated in an elitist aristocracy that was completely out of touch with the working classes, and whole bunches of them lost their heads, or at least their homelands.

      That's what made all those European leaders during the mid-19th century take notice; start creating constitutional governments, formalized various poor laws and began setting up early social safety nets. They weren't doing it out of the goodness of their hearts. The alternative was further revolutions.

      What is scary about guys like Ron Paul and their swirley-eyed supporters is that they are fanatical about their ideologies, which is precisely the lesson that history should have taught us not to be. Don't be so fiscal a conservative that you don't realize that giving government assistance to the destitute doesn't at least stabilize the underbelly of society. Don't be so much a socialist that you disregard the necessity of largely free markets.

      As to Libertarians, they're just a pack of "me-first" greedy sonsofbitches who reject the social contract, despise civilization, and make up a self-serving ideology in the hopes that enough people are blind enough not see them for what they truly are.
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    14. Re:Changed my mind about the future of the US. by schnikies79 · · Score: 1

      There is no cult involved. It's very simple.

      I don't believe the government should have the power to regulate the economy, nor do I believe that it is capable of regulating it correctly given the chance.

      The government should PROMOTE the general welfare, never PROVIDE.

      My destiny should be in my hands, not in the hands of elected officials.

      Let local governments do their job and get the federal government out of the way.

      The United States is based on our constitution; follow it.

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    15. Re:Changed my mind about the future of the US. by damburger · · Score: 1

      Soundbite? Yeah, I'm sure thats what Jean-Jaques Rousseau was thinking when he came up with the phrase in the 18th century. You can't throw around the term 'collectivism' at anybody who doesn't see private property as an institution ordained by nature itself, and at the same time condemn your fellow Paulists as being stuck on 'Objectivist bullshit'. You seem quite fluent yourself.

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    16. Re:Changed my mind about the future of the US. by MightyMartian · · Score: 1

      I do hope you realize you're pretty much aping the very core beliefs of the Confederacy. That was their defense for everything, that they were following the true intent of the Founding Fathers and that the Yankee abolitionists and their political supporters were violating the very core of the Constitution by doing something so ghastly as working towards a *Federal* ban on slavery.

      The sheer ignorance of history that you and the rest of the Ron Paul cultists exhibit is breathtaking.

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    17. Re:Changed my mind about the future of the US. by schnikies79 · · Score: 1

      Sheer ignorance? I can guarantee that I know more about the civil war than 95% of the population. That is not the point though as social issues are way down on my list of political interest. I have a minor in economics (my major was chemistry), so that is where my interest lie. I also have a firm belief that many (not all, but many) social issues will fix themselves in a correctly functioning economy.

      Some things should be handled by the federal government, slavery being one of them. Most things shouldn't be. Back to the economy, the federal government doesn't have the ability to correctly control the economy, no matter how much anyone wants them to. Adam Smith was a genius.

      Just because the South was completely wrong on one issue (slavery) does not mean everything that believed was wrong. Of course even suggesting that the Confederacy had one good idea is non-P.C. and can't be tolerated.

      Ron Paul isn't right on everything by any means, but anyone who is willing to give the power back to the people and follow the constitution is golden in my book. Individualism is all we have, without that, what is the point?

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    18. Re:Changed my mind about the future of the US. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Ron Paul is a dangerous fad.

      Liberty and constitutionality are neither dangerous nor a fad.

    19. Re:Changed my mind about the future of the US. by lcoscare · · Score: 1

      You suspect? you mean you are making these conclusions about him without any knowledge of his beliefs except that he's a libertarian/constitutionalist. The reason for these "cultists" is that people are tired with politicians who are pushing their own agendas. Everyone knows where Ron Paul stands and his beliefs are firmly rooted, unlike any other politician. He is very intelligent, and a true student of economics and history. I'm not going to try to convince you, all I can recommend is to do your own research. There is a reason that his message is so popular.

    20. Re:Changed my mind about the future of the US. by fast+penguin · · Score: 1

      I suspect that Ron Paul is among that group of absolute historical fools who actually believes the Civil War was about slavery.

      You might have fun watching this interview.

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    21. Re:Changed my mind about the future of the US. by dangitman · · Score: 1

      Wrong - his platform is personal liberty, one of the ideals that this country was founded upon.

      You can't have liberty when you're dead... or up to your armpits in sick people. Healthcare is a pretty damn good supporter of freedom. As is education. The result of Ron Paul's policies would be virtual slavery to the wealthy, not personal liberty (unless you're a millionaire).

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    22. Re:Changed my mind about the future of the US. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The dangerous fad of Ron Paul is he is a leader that tells the truth.
      But people don't want to hear that anymore, they don't want leadership, they want great marketing.
      Vote for the guy who will let you have your cake and eat it too.
      Cause you can, though your children will pay/die for it.

      USA does not have little social protections, it has a lot of them.
      Majority are at the federal level. Granting the government more power to interfere in our lives while bankrupting the future.

      People can no longer comprehend social services existing without a huge federal government.
      Katrina is a perfect example because so many people have it wrong.
      The Katrina disaster was the fault of LOCAL GOVERNMENT. All FEMA is supposed to do is come in and write a relief check.
      But everyone wants to blame the federal government and bush like it is their job to micro manage the country.
      It's not, i referrer you to one 'goddamn piece of paper': the constitution.

    23. Re:Changed my mind about the future of the US. by MightyMartian · · Score: 1

      Some things should be handled by the federal government, slavery being one of them. Most things shouldn't be. Back to the economy, the federal government doesn't have the ability to correctly control the economy, no matter how much anyone wants them to. Adam Smith was a genius.


      I'm curious here. Go back to the Constitution and tell me why slavery is some sort of a special case? I would dearly love to know this answer, because, well, ya know, that was kind of the problem at the time, and the South in all its states-rights-libertarian flutter, certainly seemed to be on the right side Constitutionally.

      And yes, I know you probably believe that the market is some magic place where only good comes until the evil ol' government interferes. Fortunately, for most of us, we watched Enron scam the good people of California, and realize that the government very much has a job in the economy. Of course, 1929 ought to have been enough to demonstrate that, but Libertarians tend to be so ignorant and so ideological that facts like that are conveniently dispensed with.
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    24. Re:Changed my mind about the future of the US. by MightyMartian · · Score: 1

      And look, the Ron Paul worshipping cultists come out again. Ron Paul supports a version of the United States that tore itself to pieces by the middle of the 19th century.

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    25. Re:Changed my mind about the future of the US. by Abcd1234 · · Score: 1

      then obviously the amount we're spending is not the problem

      Did anyone say that was the problem? No. That's flat out ridiculous. How could spending more money inherently be the problem? No, the amount of money spent relative to the health of the people is merely a symptom of systemic failure. It's evidence that, despite the magic "free market" mantra being touted, the resultant system is far *less* efficient (as measured by dollars spent versus overall population health) than a centralized system.

      And sure, you could try and somehow fix the system. Although, how you'll magically remove all the overhead and profiteering, not to mention alter an insurance industry actively encouraged by the invisible hand to withhold treatment, I don't know. I suppose you could deregulate further and see what happens... hardcore capitalists seem to enjoy such experiments (though they love to ignore the Enron-style failures).

      Alternatively, you could choose a system that's proven to work the world over: centralized, government-administered healthcare (possibily privately delivered).

      'course, I'm not so deluded as to ever believe the US ever would, or could, implement such a thing... there simply isn't the political will (after all, the people most negatively affected by the current system are the same people who are deeply neglected in US politics: the poor). Of course, the situation isn't helped by a medical-industrial complex that's heavily invested in keeping the status quo.

    26. Re:Changed my mind about the future of the US. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And on the other hand, he may be just what this country needs. This is a guy that votes no on almost every piece of legislation that he comes across. So he may in fact veto a lot of legislation, but it may just make those demo-republi-tards in congress realize they should be working together instead of fighting each other at every turn.

    27. Re:Changed my mind about the future of the US. by Abcd1234 · · Score: 1

      Life expectancy in the US is mainly a choice. The leading cause of death is heart disease, which is commonly caused by obesity. Obesity is mostly a choice.

      Obesity is also a function of food quality. And when the only food cheap enough to afford is of low quality, surprise surprise, the poor will ultimately end up in poorer health. And guess what the cheapest food is? Yup, fast food junk. And don't get me started on the function of education (which itself is a function of income) in dietary choice.

      No, I think the GP has it right. You really are "someone coddled by a privileged existence and having no concept of life outside such an upbringing." Seriously, try looking past your own limited horizon, you might learn something.

    28. Re:Changed my mind about the future of the US. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hey chicken little, the sky is calling you. Scared that the fat pig of the Federal Government may not be able to suckle you if people that believe in state rights gets into office? Is it scary that people that don't want to support your lazy ass every day? Who's Fica and who said he could take my money? Be self sufficient or die, neo-lib.

    29. Re:Changed my mind about the future of the US. by jc42 · · Score: 1

      Mass famine? We grow enough food to feed the world, let alone ourselves. Get real.

      A good number of historians have point out that, according to all their evidence, this is true and has always been true. In studying the historical food shortages and famines, the conclusion seems to be that there was always plenty of food, but people starved because they couldn't get the food. This was sometimes due to poor distribution technology, but it was mostly due to the effects of the powerful people who controlled the distribution system. That is, people starve to death due to the actions of other people, not because there's no food.

      One of the best-documented textbook cases was the Irish "potato famine" in the middle 1800s. There is copious historic documentation showing that during this time, Ireland exported a lot of food to England. But the Irish peasants who grew the food couldn't afford to buy it themselves. This was entirely due to the social order that kept them effectively in a state of slavery to the landowners. Similar situations have been documented in many other parts of the world, especially China and India. And, of course, the Soviet Union back in the 1930s when Stalin starved the Ukranian population into submission, and somewhere around 10 million of them died.

      An interesting side issue has come up here in a couple of the OLPC discussions. Inevitably, people say that the poor parts of the world don't need laptops; they need food. Other people have pointed out that this has always been a problem, and food aid programs haven't done much good. The problem really is that the local power structure is keeping those people poor and starving. One approach that just may work is to break this stranglehold via education and communication, which is what the OLPC project is trying to supply. It's a lot harder to oppress educated people.

      But this is just one experimental approach which may or may not work. In some areas, the power structure will probably wise up and block such attempts to end their control. And people will remain poor, ignorant and starving in a world of plenty. This might be part of what's going on in Nigeria right now with the LANCOR story.

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    30. Re:Changed my mind about the future of the US. by volpe · · Score: 1

      US already has lower life expectancy [...]

      That's a tribute to our productivity. We can complete a lifetime in far less time than those european slackers.

  32. I changed my mind about the music business by illectro · · Score: 2, Interesting

    At the start of the year I still thought the big labels hadn't figured out to work with the internet and were going to litigate my favourite websites into submission, but they've finally got it and made deals instead of suing potential business partners. At the start of the year I was steadfast in my opinion that music labels were going to collapse, by the end of the year I've got the feeling that they might just make it through.

    1. Re:I changed my mind about the music business by Grishnakh · · Score: 1

      No, I still think it's too late for them. Even if they have online distribution, the product they're distributing is still utter crap.

      They might survive, but in a very diminished form.

  33. The housing market by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    A year ago I thought the housing market was great.

    Now I changed my mind.

  34. Impeachment. by Hamster+Lover · · Score: 3, Interesting

    At the start of 2007 and after a Democratically controlled Congress was sworn into office I was of the opinion that impeachment should be off the table while Congress got down to some real business with a President that recognized the winds of change. I couldn't have been more wrong.

    1. Re:Impeachment. by Grishnakh · · Score: 1

      And further into 2007, after a Democratically controlled Congress did almost nothing to push impeachment, and instead just gave Bush everything he asked for, I realized I shouldn't have wasted my time voting for them hoping they'd do something to end this stupid war and stand up to this criminal President.

  35. Hope for a good President by ZonkerWilliam · · Score: 1

    When Steven Colbert wasn't elected to the Republican ticket!

  36. I changed my mind about canada by plasmacutter · · Score: 1, Interesting

    In the next 5-10 years it will be the place to live.

    global warming will soften some of the colder months.

    the CAD is already worth more than the USD

    Canada is actually tech friendly, and looks like it will remain so for the forseeable future, so it will attract the talent the US has been crushing to death under IP laws.

    Canada, land of the free, home of people with a spine, the future of north America.

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    1. Re:I changed my mind about canada by 0racle · · Score: 1

      Actually global warming would make Canada's winters colder where they would get the coldest (Alberta, Sask, Manitoba) as often as it made them milder.

      Canada is no more tech friendly/unfriendly then the US as it's laws are more often then not simply modeled after laws in the US.

      I've lived in several places in Canada, been to several places in the States and currently live in the US. Guess what, the people are all the same. Daily life is no different. If you're moving to Canada just because it's some wonderful happy place to get away from the evil US, well, have fun wasting your money. You might as well move across the street from where you are now as it would be essentially solve the problem in the same way.

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    2. Re:I changed my mind about canada by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No hippies please.

      Otherwise, welcome!

    3. Re:I changed my mind about canada by ConanG · · Score: 1

      Ah Canada! The Maple Leaf state....

    4. Re:I changed my mind about canada by jc42 · · Score: 1

      Some time back the National Lampoon ran a fun article by O'Rourke that was a list of insulting descriptions of various ethnic groups. One group was Canadians, who were described as being "like white Americans, but even more boring".

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  37. Third Party by iknownuttin · · Score: 3, Interesting
    Now I don't know how to lean.

    Why not third party?

    I'm a Government conservative and a social liberal (I think we should stop violating the Constitution, get rid of the IRS, stop these stupid wars, religion doesn't belong in Government, I don't give a rat's ass who you sleep with, and I don't see why gays can't get married). I vote third party and if there's not third party candidate, I abstain with the naive hope that the politicians will notice somehow.

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    1. Re:Third Party by Reziac · · Score: 1

      But which third party? they all seem to lean too far one way or another. Is there no balance??!

      My views are fairly similar to yours, and I doubt we're truly unique. But no present party seems to cover our viewpoint.

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    2. Re:Third Party by pjt33 · · Score: 1

      The best way to change a party is from the inside. If you want a party which closely represents your viewpoint then either find some like-minded people and start a new one or, probably better, pick the one which is closest to your viewpoint, join it, and lobby candidates for party leadership.

    3. Re:Third Party by GoofyBoy · · Score: 1

      It doesn't matter.

      1. Party A gets elected.
      2. Party A does something that upsets the people so they elect for Party B.
      3. Party B does something to upset the people.

      In a dual party system
      Now Party A knows that people can only vote for A or B. Now its Party A turn to get elected, they just needed to wait a little while. In fact, it knew this ever since before 1. ("Hate Party B? You must love Party A!" there is no "Hate both A and B")

      In a multi party system
      Party A doesn't know if its in or not because they have upsetted electorate recently and Party C may get elected. In fact, Party A has known this since before 1. so they may be a little more sensitive to the people. In fact, seeing how many votes Party C, Party D and that crazy-way-out-there Party Z gets will change the way Party A and B acts since these are the votes they want.

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    4. Re:Third Party by WhiplashII · · Score: 1

      Actually, it's more complicated than that...

      In a dual party system what you say is true as long as votes are "against the opposition" rather than "for the better party". But at least some votes are not "anyone but him" votes - and in order to get the most possible of these votes, the parties are forced towards the center of the country in questions politics. To wit, the US elections are normally decided by the uncommitted voters - so neither party can stray too far from the center.

      In a multi party system, at least all the ones I am familiar with, you no longer need the center to get elected. Instead, power is pushed to the fringes, to the single issue voters. You find a group that cares about X, and that is sufficient to get elected to office. Once elected, you join a coalition in order to have a functioning government. That coalition of single issue parties by definition takes an extreme stance on almost every issue.

      So in the dual party system (US), the systems leans towards statis (classical conservative). In multiparty systems (most of the rest of the world), the bias is towards radicalism.

      Think about it this way: What percentage of the population needs to want a law in order to get it passed? Dual party "working right", 50%. Multiparty "working right", a tiny fraction - they just need to promise to vote with others for their favorite issue in order to get what they want.

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    5. Re:Third Party by Grishnakh · · Score: 1

      Think about it this way: What percentage of the population needs to want a law in order to get it passed? Dual party "working right", 50%. Multiparty "working right", a tiny fraction - they just need to promise to vote with others for their favorite issue in order to get what they want.

      The key words here are "working right". In reality, it seems that the governments in Europe are working far better than the one in the USA, as far as doing what the people want. I don't know of any other highly industrialized democratic country where the government is so disliked by the people, and this fact is well-known outside that country.

    6. Re:Third Party by WhiplashII · · Score: 1

      It seems that way, certainly. I attribute that to two factors:

      1) The extremists are the loudest - pleasing them makes it quieter, so it seems like you have done more than you actually have.
      2) The US is the most closely watched political sphere, and has the most "airing of dirty laundry".

      Personally, I think the US is much better at representing the average person than the UK. The UK is much better at representing the single issue voters, like I said.

      But you're right - the key is "Are they working right?"

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    7. Re:Third Party by Abcd1234 · · Score: 1

      I call bullshit on your base premise.

      A dual party system *requires* wedge issues in order to sway a vote. The US system is clear demonstration of this. And wedge issues are, by their nature, radical and polarizing. Why do you think abortion, stem cell research, global warming, etc, etc, inevitably become the focus of US elections? Because it's those issues that will sway the centrist voters one way or another, while solidifying the party base.

      In a multi-party system, you either have a single party with broad support winning out, which by it's nature can't be terribly radical, or you end up with a multi-party coalition that's forced to compromise in order to get anything done. Thus, no radical agenda can win, because no member of the coalition will want to alienate their voters by supporting an agenda which runs counter to their party philosphy.

      And I speak from experience, as Canada has been functioning under a minority government for some two years now (or is it just a year? Time, it keeps on slipping slipping...)

    8. Re:Third Party by Grishnakh · · Score: 1

      I think there's another problem too:

      In the two-party system we have in the USA, it's almost impossible to have politicians who actually believe the things they say. After all, as you say, the parties have to move closer to the center to get elected, which means politicians basically say things just to get elected, not because they believe them. That's why we have so much "flip-flopping", and so few politicians with consistent voting records. Personally, I don't like the idea of electing someone who flip-flops, and who doesn't really believe in anything (or worse, does, but lies before the election and goes against that after he's in). This probably has something to do with how little people like politicians.

      In a multi-party system, it's no longer a requirement for successful politicians to be liars. They can be honest, for a change, and still get elected by their supporters.

      I think this is one big reason Ron Paul is so popular right now: he's actually honest, and has an extremely consistent voting record. Lots of people I've talked to don't agree with him on everything, but like him anyway because they see him as an honest person who says what he believes, rather than what will get him votes. In general, this trait is not usually rewarded in the two-party system.

    9. Re:Third Party by WhiplashII · · Score: 1

      Very true - although my mind boggles somewhat at the idea of an honest politician. And of course, what would be best (from my perspective) for the public would be honest politicians in a two party system - because you would end up with real centrist politics.

      In reality, though, we're not talking about honesty - we are talking about values. So a two party system rewards politicians that change their values whenever the public has different values from them. Not necessarily a bad thing, as long as they keep the fear of the public in them. (Not so good in a lame duck President, for example)

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    10. Re:Third Party by Reziac · · Score: 1

      "So in the dual party system (US), the systems leans towards statis (classical conservative). In multiparty systems (most of the rest of the world), the bias is towards radicalism."

      I've observed this too (thanks for putting it in a nutshell). Coalitions of minor parties, all of them with radical agendas, can beat out a major party with moderate policies, simply because 10 nuts voting as a block can outvote 5 moderates voting as a block. I don't find tyrannies of minorities to be progress over tyranny of the majority.

      I think the real problem is that democracy doesn't scale. Maybe we need smaller countries. :/

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    11. Re:Third Party by WhiplashII · · Score: 1

      The problem is with this statement:

      "a multi-party coalition that's forced to compromise in order to get anything done."

      Picture this:

      party A - which 100% of the public agrees with on all issues except for two issues
      party B - single issue X party, 30% of the public wants this (so 70% of public is against this issue)
      party C - single issue Y party, 30% of the public wants this (so 70% of public is against this issue)

      The votes come out as 30% B, 30% C, and 40% A. B and C form a coalition - so they get X and Y, even though 70% of the population is against those measures. Democracy has failed.

      This simple example requires 30% of the voters to want the outcome - but with more parties, the required voters can be made arbitrarily small. So, you could easily see 1-2% of the population deciding a single issue, even when everyone else disagrees with them - the more parties, the worse it is.

      One reason you would not notice this in your own country is that the radical 1% is also the loudest - so you would assume that more people agree with them than actually do. I actually heard a Democratic Senator canonize this, saying something to the effect of "a small group of vocal people should count more than a large group of quiet ones."

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    12. Re:Third Party by Abcd1234 · · Score: 1

      The votes come out as 30% B, 30% C, and 40% A. B and C form a coalition - so they get X and Y, even though 70% of the population is against those measures. Democracy has failed.

      Err, no, you wouldn't get X and Y. You said it yourself, in the case of those issues, 70% of the base of A don't want them in (yeah, it's a different 70%, but the point stands). And A isn't going to take the risk of alienating their base by allowing those issues to pass unchallenged. So, instead, A will negotiate with B and C, probably by passing compromise legislation that allows B and C to claim they've moved on the issue, while satisfying the opposing 70% of A's base. And so the system works as best it can, by negotiation and compromise.

      Again, I've seen this work in practice. You clearly haven't.

    13. Re:Third Party by Abcd1234 · · Score: 1

      So a two party system rewards politicians that change their values whenever the public has different values from them. Not necessarily a bad thing, as long as they keep the fear of the public in them.

      What? The US system is a republic. As such, people elect representatives, who are then tasked with making decisions in government. These people should *not* be held to every whim and fancy of the public. That's the entire point. Otherwise, you just have a weak form of direct democracy, and it's pretty clear that *doesn't* scale.

      Of course, the people should always have recourse (aside from elections, such as impeachment) should it turn out that a representative grossly misrepresented themselves, or is otherwise unfit or incompetant to govern. However, such measures should require drastic action to execute, in contrast to the current system where politicians bend to the slightest popular breeze that happens to be flowing.

    14. Re:Third Party by WhiplashII · · Score: 1

      You don't seem to get the point - B and C separately have 30% of the power of parliment, but together have 60%. They ignore A, because A doesn't offer them anything that they want. Yes, A feels bad, but A has to make concessions, not B or C. That is the point.

      I have lived in many countries in my life, and have studied this at close range. You apparently live in Canada, which is apparently perfect. That's great for Canadians (and yes, Canada seems to have a working government) - but it has no bearing on the difference between dual party and multi party systems.

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  38. The iPhone by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I thought the iPhone was just a phone only a pretentious dickwad would buy and that it was incredibly crippled as a phone (lacking basic MMS support, video recording, customizable ringtones, Bluetooth (tethering/object transfer), replaceable batteries, 3G speeds, standard mini-USB charging port, 3rd party applications (Java or otherwise), GPS, memory card slot, etc., all things my current phone had). I fell in love with the slow Edge web browsing and the e-mail client though so I decided to become a pretentious dickwad and bought one. Unlike the Apple commercials with the Guido guy though, I really still need two phones... one for e-mail and web browsing, and one to act as a regular phone to do everything else. I wish it was easier to swap the SIM card back and forth between the iPhone and my old phone or have two identical SIM cards so I could use either phone at the same time.

  39. Aactivley refute Religious fundamentalism by canadian_right · · Score: 1

    I am by nature a very tolerant person, but it is time for all good people to actively refute the ideas of the intolerant fundamentalists of all stripes. I am appalled that there are politicians in the USA who think it is OK to condemn people due to their religious beliefs, or lack of belief. For example, Bush isn't sure atheists are citizens. Some politicians think they should be able to tell you what you do in the privacy of your own home. But these guys are pikers compared to Religious fundamentalists. Even peaceful, tolerant Canada had to deal with this, Teen killed by father, and if we scoot over to Afghanistan we have the Taliban executing people who dare to try to educate girls.

    Peaceful discourse is our best weapon.

    Happy New year.

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    1. Re:Aactivley refute Religious fundamentalism by meringuoid · · Score: 1
      For example, Bush isn't sure atheists are citizens.

      Careful there: that was Bush the Elder, who was also of the ludicrous opinion that invading and occupying Iraq and deposing Saddam Hussein would be a monumentally bad move. Bush the Younger hasn't said anything similar about atheists as far as I'm aware.

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  40. The gold standard by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Or fractional reserves or other commodity-based or scheme that allows competetive currencies to compete internally against the greenback. Anything that prevents the fed printing whatever they want whenever they want without the market being able to fight by fleeing to something that might hold value.

    I thought this was one of Paul's most esoteric or kooky ideas, but it seems more clear that the fed plus congress have every interest in printing dollars for handouts, good intentioned programs, pork, and world building. They have little intention in preserving the buying power of the dollar. Dollar deflation really hits savers and people that live paycheck to paycheck.

    The world situation is really what dooms the fiat dollar. We now have competetive world currencies that holders can trust. And if the monopolies in using dollars to purchase oil for OPEC ever end, the shit could hit the fan.

    As things stand now, we have already hurt ourselves, as we now have to compromise our policies to the Chinese, Saudis, or others that help prop up our dollars, lest we offend.

  41. Environmentalist and VideoGame Nuts and Linux Fans by Hercules+Peanut · · Score: 4, Insightful

    1. O.K. I believe in global warming now. I heard a lot of dissenting evidence but it appears to be tainted.

    2. Video Games do affect behavior in many children. Studies and family members in the field of education with years of observational experience have made me switch my opinion. I'm still not a big fan of government intervention on the subject, though.

    3. Linux is ready for the desktop thanks to the EeePC. In fact, much of open source appears to be ready to eliminate the needs or even desire for a commercial alternative. Linux, OpenOffice, Firefox. I no longer feel like I'm having to settle for second rate in order to save money. I'd actually choose them even if the alternatives were free.

    4. Slashdot is moderated largely by hypocritical children who will mod up popular opinion and mod down unpopular posts regardless of accuracy. I predict the slow demise of Slashdot as the comments area, a once fertile land of discussion and intelligent observation becomes a members only arena linux/mac fanboys and video gamers who can't envision anyone else's opinion being right other than theirs. It will be a place where where speaking ill of religion, republicans or windows will be given an automatic +2 informative while speaking ill social web sites, video games, or modding practices will be an auto -2 troll.

    All four are great discoveries and lifestyle changes for me.

    Happy New Year.

  42. Sugar by SlappyBastard · · Score: 1

    Just trying to be honest. I've almost completely cut sugar out of my diet, and I feel better to show for it.

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    1. Re:Sugar by Dun+Malg · · Score: 1

      Just trying to be honest. I've almost completely cut sugar out of my diet, and I feel better to show for it. Intriguing. I've done the opposite. I've replaced much of my candy intake and all of my starchy snack food intake with maltodextrin (available freakin' cheap as "Carbo Gain"). 50g added to a quart of Gatorade a day and I no longer desire all that nasty candy and snack food. I'm a firm believer in long-chain polysaccharides now. Then again, I don't work at a desk, I actually do things all day.
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    2. Re:Sugar by SlappyBastard · · Score: 1

      Diet's a lot less of an issue if your work burns stuff off. I used to do roofing and remodeling between HS and college, and I could get away anything I wanted. The idea of scheduling exercise and watching my diet didn't make much sense at the time. Actually took me a couple years after settling into an office environment before I realized I had to do something.

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    3. Re:Sugar by britneys+9th+husband · · Score: 1

      I have too. Not that I was trying or anything -- they just took all the sugar out of junk food and soda pop and replaced it with high fructose corn syrup.

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    4. Re:Sugar by SlappyBastard · · Score: 1

      This is very true. Not too many people actually drink real sugar anymore.

      I quit drinking pop ages ago. I might drink two cans a year if somebody offers it. Mostly cook for myself (lifelong habit). Might eat some Doritos once a month or so.

      I can't say I've seen impressive physical results, but I wasn't really shooting for that. I just wanted to get off the junk before I got to an age where health isn't as easily reversible.

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    5. Re:Sugar by ivan256 · · Score: 1

      Consuming maltodextrin will give many people explosive diarrhea.

  43. Ubuntu by Bender_ · · Score: 1

    Ubuntu 7.1 finally made me realize that it is actually possible to use Linux as a Desktop OS. For at least 10 years Linux had been the ugly OS I only accessed via SSH on my server.

    1. Re:Ubuntu by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Actually it is 7.10, not 7.1; they number their releases after the release date. Meaning, 7.10 = 2007 October.

  44. Doublethink by aldheorte · · Score: 2, Funny

    I didn't change my mind, I just rewrote my past comments.

    1. Re:Doublethink by TehZorroness · · Score: 1

      no you didn't. It's always been that way.

  45. What is war good for? by Scrameustache · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I was always sympathetic to the idea of bringing liberty to those overseas Which is why that emotionally potent oversimplification was used.
    Not because it applied, but because it would make you agree.

    Why are they killing people? For liberty! We like liberty, so it makes it okay to kill people: it's for something we like!
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    1. Re:What is war good for? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If you look at countries the US has actually brought liberty to, like Germany and Japan, you can see that killing huge numbers of people is pretty much a necessity. We totally kicked the ass of both of those countries, bombed their population centers indiscriminately, killed an inconceivable number of their able-bodied men in battle, wiped out most infrastructure and manufacturing capability, used nuclear weapons on one of them, and basically moved in with overwhelming force and destroyed stuff at will. Not too long after surrendering to our righteous wrath, both countries were relatively successful, stable democracies.

      This is not to say that we should be doing this in Iraq. Quite the opposite: bringing liberty to a place pretty much requires killing its men, flattening its cities, and destroying its ability to fight in any way. It is too high a price to pay just for that. The bringing of liberty to Germany and Japan was a side-effect of the greater war, not our intention from the start. If you truly wanted to liberate Iraq then it should have been flattened and defeated so decisively that nobody left would have either the will nor the ability to continue the fight. Forget about this business of failing to protect museums and trying not to disturb archaeological sites; those museums would have been leveled, and those archaeological sites barely distinguishable from the mounds of fresh rubble piled on top of them. Instead we went in there half-assed, trying to hurt as few people as possible, and end up killing lots and lots of them while not doing any real good.

      The only real liberty gained is liberty earned. By all means we should support resistance and opposition movements in despotic countries but trying to walk in there and force it on them without first wiping the slate clean is ridiculously stupid.

    2. Re:What is war good for? by deets · · Score: 1

      Yeah, because nobody was getting killed By Saddam! Your problem is that you are too far removed from the deaths that brought you the freedom you take advantage of everyday.

    3. Re:What is war good for? by Scrameustache · · Score: 1

      Yeah, because nobody was getting killed By Saddam! So killing MORE is ok then? Because someone else killed people, that means you are entitled to kill even more people now?

      It was NEVER about Iraqi freedom, that's just the marketing of the war: CPA Order 17 is a law passed by the Coalition Provisional Authority in Iraq reducing the power of the Iraqi government to pursue legal action against foreigners working with the CPA. Depending on interpretation, it either takes power away from the Iraqi government, giving it to the CPA, or it takes power from the Iraqi government and gives it to individuals claiming to work in the interest of the CPA.
      CPA Order 17 stipulated that "Contractors shall be immune from Iraqi legal process with respect to acts performed by them pursuant to the terms and conditions of a Contract or any sub-contract thereto"

      Get it? They are ruled by foreigners, foreigners and those working for them are above the law, they just can't be prosecuted by the government.
      You call that freedom?
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    4. Re:What is war good for? by foreverdisillusioned · · Score: 1

      No... LESS people were killed (on a yearly basis) by Saddam than are (both purposely and inadvertently) killed by the USA and the new Iraqi government. Many, many, many less people, actually. You speak of freedom--what of the freedom of the Sunnis to escape the persecution from the now-in-power Shiites? What of the freedom to walk down the fucking street without worrying about insurrection bombings (which are largely a direct result of said persecution)?

      Goddamn man, I WISH the world was as black and white as you apologists keep insisting, but it isn't. There is killing perpetrated by ALL involved. No ones' hands are clean.. and, at the end of the day, the streets are still redder than they were under Saddam. Give it a few more years, and I'd wager the civil rights laws are a good deal more oppressive, too (Saddam, for all his murdering and assholery, did maintain a relatively SECULAR government. What makes you think the long-oppressed Shiites are going to pass up this opportunity to pass a bunch of Shiite-inspired religious laws?)

  46. I changed my mind on Ron Paul... by rthille · · Score: 5, Insightful


    In early 2007 I thought I might be able to vote for Ron Paul against certain Democrats if it came down to that (unlikely).
    After learning more about Dr. Paul: that he hasn't felt the need to educate himself about the scientific facts about evolution and rejects it, though wasn't willing to raise his hand during the televised debate where the candidates were asked that question; that he calls abortion "Murder"; and, most critically, that he wants to remove the ability of the federal government to intervene in violations of chuch/state separation.
    If the founding fathers got nothing else right with our country, they got the separation of church and state right. Integrating religion and state power is a sure path to tyranny.

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    1. Re:I changed my mind on Ron Paul... by jeremiahbell · · Score: 4, Informative

      In Ron Paul's system of philosophy the federal government has no authority over education so he is no threat to the acceptance of Evolution. He also believes that abortion should be decided by the states because he rightly states that the federal government does not have the authority. He will do nothing to stop abortion, all he will do is follow the the tenth amendment ("The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.").

      If you believe the federal government should be involved in abortion law and education then amend the Constitution.

      Also, on the separation of church and state, read the first amendment, it addresses congress. My state Constitution has provisions for separation of church and state, and a state violation should be dealt with at the state level. If I wanted the federal government to have the authority to address a state level violation of separation of church and state I would, and if you wanted you should, ask for an amendment to the Constitution to allow such.

      P.S.--I'm an atheist.

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    2. Re:I changed my mind on Ron Paul... by Sigismundo · · Score: 2, Informative

      Another thing that bothers me about him is the support he is getting from the white nationalist community.

    3. Re:I changed my mind on Ron Paul... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      If you believe the federal government should be involved in abortion law and education then amend the Constitution.

      Maybe you should tell that to Ron Paul, who has repeatedly sponsored bills to ban abortion on the federal level, despite his hypocritical rhetoric otherwise.

    4. Re:I changed my mind on Ron Paul... by Lord+Ender · · Score: 3, Insightful

      No educated person could ever vote for Ron Paul, and his knowledge of biology is an embarrassment to all those who hold the title "Doctor." A medical doctor who doesn't understand the most fundamental principle of biology is a shame on his school.

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    5. Re:I changed my mind on Ron Paul... by 75th+Trombone · · Score: 2, Insightful

      What the crap does it matter whether a doctor understands evolution? Doctors deal with the way people's bodies work today, and I couldn't care less what they think about how they worked millennia ago or how they got here.

      Evolution may be the fundamental principle of biological history, but that's only one facet of biology as a whole.

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    6. Re:I changed my mind on Ron Paul... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      I too am disappointed with Ron Paul's opinions on evolution. The body of evidence (from biology, genetics, mathematics, etc.) supporting evolution is truly staggering, and for a doctor like Ron Paul to discount it it's disheartening. Nevertheless, what attracted me originally to him as a presidential candidate was his positions regarding government's role in our lives. Positions which I agree with, and which have been more-or-less consistent throughout his political career (which too me prove him genuine).

      I would not vote Ron Paul for "Biology Leader", but, in the arena of government, he matches best the direction I would like to see the U.S. head towards.

    7. Re:I changed my mind on Ron Paul... by General+Wesc · · Score: 2

      You apparently don't understand what evolution is. It does effect us every day, especially in medicine. Any doctor who doesn't understand and accept how bacteria evolves is not qualified to take care of his own health, let alone anyone else's.

    8. Re:I changed my mind on Ron Paul... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Evolution is the single unifying and explanatory theory of biology, just like plate tectonics is for geology. Would you trust a geologist who didn't believe in plate tectonics, even though it's not directly applicable to the work he does today?

    9. Re:I changed my mind on Ron Paul... by stewbacca · · Score: 1

      In the same way politians don't need to understand history, doctors don't need to understand evolution? You've lost me.

    10. Re:I changed my mind on Ron Paul... by stewbacca · · Score: 2

      He wouldn't do anything to stop abortion? He's fully on record stating he'd do everything in his power to eliminate abortion. I guess voting him President would be the best thing we Texans could do then, to assure he loses his right to legislate abortion in his home state.

    11. Re:I changed my mind on Ron Paul... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Evolution may be the fundamental principle of biological history, but that's only one facet of biology as a whole. That doesn't matter; some people need silly reasons to hold themselves as superior to other people, so they have to whine about how stupid people who don't believe in that one facet are in order to feel better about themselves. Smart doctor? Well, he doesn't believe in evolution, so I'm smarter than him, and he shouldn't qualified to do anything. Simple as that. To paraphrase a certain well known source, using logic and reason isn't enough. You have to be a dick to everyone who doesn't think like you.
    12. Re:I changed my mind on Ron Paul... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not believing in evolution means that a person places superstition above logic, and therefore is a completely justifiable reason for thinking that this person is mentally inferior.

    13. Re:I changed my mind on Ron Paul... by rthille · · Score: 1


      The evolution thing is minor, though it goes to his willingness to educate himself about a controversial issue and learn the facts and think critically. His willingness to combine religion with state authority (the very antithesis of the founding of this country) and his rejection of the 14th amendment (which guarantees the bill of rights and other restrictions on government power apply to the state and lower governments as well as the federal government) are the main reasons I reject Ron Paul.

      I don't worry too much that he'll be a spoiler, and I worry very little he'd be President, but I still feel it is important that the people who support him for his small government views (which is what drew me to him and caused me to learn more about him) learn more about his more problematic views. And those are the ones that most people say make him a 'wacko': abolish the IRS and much of the govt.

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    14. Re:I changed my mind on Ron Paul... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The founding fathers orginally wrote about the state should not be involved in the matters of the church. But did not believe that the church nor church members should not be involved with the state. The phrase "separation of church and state" oversimplifies the Bills of Rights. There is a difference.

    15. Re:I changed my mind on Ron Paul... by Trogre · · Score: 1

      Who ever said he didn't understand the most fundamental principle of biology?

      He, like a whole lot of other doctors, medical and otherwise, said that he doesn't buy into the theory of biological evolution. That has no bearing whatsoever on his ability to make informed predictions or decisions in his field of work.

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    16. Re:I changed my mind on Ron Paul... by Trogre · · Score: 1

      I see some rather large leaps in logic in your statement, and assumptions of mutual exclusivity. Care to fill in the gaps a bit?

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    17. Re:I changed my mind on Ron Paul... by 75th+Trombone · · Score: 1

      Congratulations! You've just done the sleaziest, dirtiest, basest thing you can do in a creation/evolution discussion! You've heard someone say "I don't believe in evolution," where it's obvious they mean that humans evolved from single-celled life forms, and then responded as though they were saying they don't believe in the evolution we observe today!

      You have done a very nice job identifying yourself as an ignorant slimeball who will deliberately misinterpret his opponents in an effort to defeat them. Well done!

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    18. Re:I changed my mind on Ron Paul... by Lord+Ender · · Score: 1

      I have never met a creationist who was capable of explaining evolutionary theory.

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    19. Re:I changed my mind on Ron Paul... by nomadic · · Score: 2

      You've heard someone say "I don't believe in evolution," where it's obvious they mean that humans evolved from single-celled life forms, and then responded as though they were saying they don't believe in the evolution we observe today!

      It's the same evolution.

    20. Re:I changed my mind on Ron Paul... by Deliveranc3 · · Score: 1

      Well crap too bad we can't elect a ROCKET SCIENTIST AGAIN!

      I'm outside the U.S. I don't get to vote, but I think the best ticket for the U.S. in 2008 is Obama vice president Paul. Obama seems to be a traditional liberal (which scares me because Washington seems to pervert them recently) while Paul suggests that he'll listen to the people about minimalism, the states about new programs, and advisors on things where he disagrees with the nation.

      If paul wants to lie to Americans that he has a fuzzy stance on evolution to win an election more power to him, there are worse lies than exploiting ignorance. The Republicans have been lying to the poor telling them that lower taxes make their life better for decades, even if Paul doesn't believe in Evolution that's his right, and he promises not to use that flawed belief to influence American ideology.

      Paul is fantastic not because of his specific stances on issues but his commitment to actually look for issues that will make a diffrence to something other than his popularity and bottom line.

      I hope the democrats win, but if Hilary or the Consaclones win it will be another case of everyone pleading with the U.S. to show some sanity and them listening to ABC, Fox, CNN and media figures rather than thinking critically.

    21. Re:I changed my mind on Ron Paul... by Copid · · Score: 1

      What the crap does it matter whether a doctor understands evolution? Doctors deal with the way people's bodies work today, and I couldn't care less what they think about how they worked millennia ago or how they got here.
      An electrical engineer can do his work without understanding basic Newtonian physics, but I would seriously question the intelligence of one who went through engineering school without managing to pick it up in the process. I don't think that a doctor not understanding one of the fundamental tenants of biology is any different. Sure, he may do an acceptable job, but there's clearly something wrong.
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    22. Re:I changed my mind on Ron Paul... by General+Wesc · · Score: 1

      Yes, yes, micro-evolution and macro-evolution are completely distinct theories. And macroscopic objects to not have to conform to the rules of quantum mechanics because they're not actually made up of sub-atomic parts, right? I ignored the distinction because it's a load of bull. It's one theory.

      If you want to say 'Evolution is true, but our one species was magicked up the way the way we are now', fine, but I've never heard the distinction made that way. All I hear is 'Micro-evolution exists but somehow this doesn't result in macro-evolution/speciation at all', and that is pure nonsense.

      If you can't accept someone disagreeing with you without declaring them utter sleaze bags and ignorant slimeballs, don't involve yourself in debates. You can avoid us ignorant slimeballs by becoming a bitter recluse. (Bitter recluses are cool. Trolls aren't. You like Ron Paul, right? How about Thoreau? Yay for Thoreau, everybody's favourite bitter recluse!)

    23. Re:I changed my mind on Ron Paul... by cow+ninja · · Score: 1

      All the President can really do to stop abortion is appoint judges who are against it. The President has no real power to stop it.

    24. Re:I changed my mind on Ron Paul... by stewbacca · · Score: 1

      Agreed, but that doesn't make Mr. Paul's ideology any less offensive to semi-intelligent citizens like myself.

    25. Re:I changed my mind on Ron Paul... by cow+ninja · · Score: 1

      So anyone who disagrees with your ideology on abortion is not intelligent?

    26. Re:I changed my mind on Ron Paul... by stewbacca · · Score: 1

      Err...not exactly what I was trying to get across. I meant to infer that Mr. Paul is more intelligent than meager little me, yet holds an odd position on abortion that insults my intelligence. Poorly worded on my behalf. I would temper my comment to say that I'm surprised that a highly intelligent person like Mr. Paul would be so eager to erode certain civil liberties. It doesn't seem to jive with his libertarian slant. I guess you could say it does, because he would leave it up to the States (that's his official stance) but he is also on record on a personal level to do whatever he can to eliminate abortion.

    27. Re:I changed my mind on Ron Paul... by Actually,+I+do+RTFA · · Score: 1

      It's the same evolution.

      No its not. To my knowledge, macroevolution, that is, an exclusively breeding new species developing, has never been observed. Microevolution on the other hand has been observed.

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  47. Government! by schnikies79 · · Score: 1

    No party should EVER control both the legislative and executive branch at the same time. Not the repub party, not the dem party, not the green party, not the communist party, not the toga party.

    The more gridlock, the less that gets done. The less that gets done, the less we get screwed.

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    1. Re:Government! by flydpnkrtn · · Score: 1

      Wow... crazy. So you believe that the "goal" of voting should be to support the ideal "different parties in the legislative and executive branch"?

      That's crazy man. Doesn't that sound like an extremely broken machine to you? Wouldn't it make more sense to try to fix the machine?

    2. Re:Government! by schnikies79 · · Score: 1

      I'm not saying that is a goal of mine, I'm just saying that no party can be trusted to hold power in both branches.

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    3. Re:Government! by Chowderbags · · Score: 1

      The broken machine can't possibly work against you.

    4. Re:Government! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      > That's crazy man. Doesn't that sound like an extremely broken machine to you? Wouldn't it make more sense to try to fix the machine?

      Most of the time, when people try to "fix the broken machine" of their corrupt and autocratic governments, the people get slaughtered en masse, not by the oppressive autocracy they overthrew, but by the even more oppressive autocracy they create to replace it.

      Consider the track record of "trying to fix the machine" over the past few centuries. England? Too many Catholic/Protestant massacres to count. France? French revolution started out OK, but ended with the Reign of Terror. 13 Colonies? USA. Czarist Russia? Lenin and Stalin. Germany? Godwin-Filter-Invoked. China? Mao. Cambodia? Pol Pot. Soviet Russia? Boris Yeltsin. Post-Soviet Russia? Vladimir Putin. Venezuela? Hugo Chavez.

      One of these things was not like the other. One of these things did not belong. One of those things didn't result in massacres. But look at all the other fuckups - 100,000,000 dead in the 20th century alone thanks to "strong leaders who'd fix the broken machinery of the old regime"!

      I'm not arguing for American exceptionalism. I'm arguing that the American Revolution was a historical aberration. The USA didn't turn out well because we're somehow better than the rest of those fucked-up countries. We turned out well because we were really fucking lucky.

      We may not be proud of the fact that we lived under 12 years of Bush I (8 as VP, 4 as President), 8 years of Clinton I, 8 years of Bush II, and probably 8 more of Clinton II... but given the choice between extending the dynasty from 28 years to 36 under Clinton II -- and the miseries (food and gas riots under the Greens, religious pogroms under the Jesusmentalists, food riots from the welfare classes under the Libertarians) that await us with the alternatives, Her Highness doesn't sound all that bad.

      Which brings us back to the original poster: Things didn't get that bad until Bush II, and that was largely because one of the ruling families had control over all three branches of government. He's mellowed out considerably since 2006. (Notice how, with a divided government, Bush II has had to mellow out, but none of the Dems' really expensive campaign promises are getting passed either? Nothing's getting done, which is fine for our politicians -- they're still gorging themselves on lobbyist dollars as they always were -- but from this peasant's perspective, at least they're too busy fighting each other to really fuck the rest of us over as hard as they'd originally planned.)

    5. Re:Government! by geekoid · · Score: 1

      A machine generally has one primary purpose. Your mistake is in assuming everybody has the same goal as you. There is no 'politician vs. Us'
      There is no 'Good V Bad', only a hell of a lot of people with different goals.

      I would say we have too few politicians. The more representatives a state has, the more diverse it becomes.

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  48. This morning, about 12:01 AM... by LynnwoodRooster · · Score: 2, Funny

    I finally changed my mind that 2007 will be the Year of Linux on the Desktop...

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  49. That Slashdot was still a technology site... by Nova+Express · · Score: 0, Flamebait
    ...rather than an endless Bush-bashing, liberal circle-jerk where any anti-Bush conspiracy theory, no matter how ridiculous, gets modded up and any dissenting opinion gets modded down. There's just no way to avoid the fact that Slashdot is now the latter, which is a very sad development for long time Slashdotters like myself.

    You may now commence modding me down...

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    1. Re:That Slashdot was still a technology site... by Wonko+the+Sane · · Score: 1

      Nova Express (100383)
      "long time" is relative. There's someone around here who still posts regularly with a 4-digit UID.
    2. Re:That Slashdot was still a technology site... by Fantastic+Lad · · Score: 1
      You may now commence modding me down...

      That's the thing about the growth of awareness. You either get with it, or you get left behind.


      -FL

    3. Re:That Slashdot was still a technology site... by tomhath · · Score: 1

      Sadly, this is history repeating. Back in the early 80's I was a member of ACM (Association for Computing Machinery for you youngsters). It was a great resource for technical information then. But it was taken over by a crowd who used it as a platform for their political views. Within a couple of years ACM membership tanked and it never really recovered.

  50. I changed my mind about myself by gr8dude · · Score: 2, Insightful

    It happened so that 2007 was a year in which many things went wrong, and I was really upset with my [lack of] performance. However, on December the 31st I concluded that everything can also be interpreted as good news, because after analyzing the failed projects, I noticed that the bottleneck was in me, and not in my colleagues, friends, or the environment.

    In other words, things are [relatively] simple now, because I only have to focus on myself (there is no need to "change other people" or "alter my environment", etc). Of course, this may also be nothing but lying to myself and trying to excuse the poor results of 2007 :-) 2008 will tell.

    1. Re:I changed my mind about myself by nevillethedevil · · Score: 1

      Ok I admit to being hungover so can someone please explain why this is modded troll? (ooh I bet I'm next)

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    2. Re:I changed my mind about myself by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      At first it was +1 insightful, but then they changed their mind about it.

  51. Emotion by otomo_1001 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    This will probably be out of place here amongst the /. crowd. But I met the absolutely most beautiful woman on the planet, inside much more so than outside this year. And the whole experience changed me and my mind on the value of emotion in general. I am still dealing with the fallout from realizing I have been an emotional equivalent to a black hole up until now.

    It used to be hard to say stuff like that, even to myself. But not any more, personal growth is always a good thing to achieve. And no she wasn't a girlfriend or anything like that either before anyone asks.

    Oh and tv. It is now almost entirely out of my life, to be replaced by real life things like skydiving and adrenaline rushes. :)

    1. Re:Emotion by kentrel · · Score: 1

      I agree. If you're not growing, you're dying.

    2. Re:Emotion by Fantastic+Lad · · Score: 3, Interesting
      I am still dealing with the fallout from realizing I have been an emotional equivalent to a black hole up until now.

      This is happening to a lot of people these days, men in particular. --My own version of it, (and I always thought I had a solid connection with my emotional side), happened during the Katrina disaster. I was utterly and unexpectedly overwhelmed with emotion for several days to the point of not being able to function socially at all; it was like I could feel the fear and pain of all those people all at once. --In the past, I would easily have been able to observe such a massive tragedy with detached interest. I was really stunned by the whole episode. Something was blasted open inside me, and it took most of six months to figure out how to live with the new awareness. I don't doubt that it was a good thing, but it was a very difficult process to go through!


      -FL

    3. Re:Emotion by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I met the absolutely most beautiful woman on the planet ... Oh and tv. It is now almost entirely out of my life

      Congratulations! Now that you met a real woman, transvestites are out of your life! But why almost entirely? Aren't you 100% convinced?
    4. Re:Emotion by Stele · · Score: 1

      This will probably be out of place here amongst the /. crowd. But I met the absolutely most beautiful woman on the planet.

      Really? When did you meet my wife?

    5. Re:Emotion by Tablizer · · Score: 1

      And the whole experience changed me and my mind on the value of emotion in general. I am still dealing with the fallout from realizing I have been an emotional equivalent to a black hole up until now.

      Welcome to Slashdot, Mr. Gates.

    6. Re:Emotion by neolith · · Score: 1

      I've been through a similar journey, I found these books insightful.

      I Don't Want to Talk About It -- A good primer on depression in Men, what causes it, how to break the cycle
      Nothing's Wrong -- This follows up and shows how men can integrate their feelings into their lives and communicate them with those they love.
      No More Mister Nice Guy -- This last one helps a few years down the line when you've got in touch with your feelings but maybe feel disconnected to your own masculinity or have trouble integrating things in personal relationships.

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    7. Re:Emotion by stewbacca · · Score: 1

      Some guy meets a hot chick, posts to slashdot, gets moded "5, Insightful". This is a sad, sad commentary on slashdot users in general :-p

    8. Re:Emotion by ArcadeX · · Score: 1

      empathy, it's not just for breakfast anymore. good news is that with work, you can build new walls and reinforce the emotional black hole, or if you are really lucky, can actually find a happy medium.

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  52. Re:Outsourcing actually isn't too bad by johnjaydk · · Score: 2, Informative
    It may not have been obvious in my original post but there are two parties who needs to wise up. The ones who gets punished harshly (and quite visibly) is management. They get into a lot of hot water when cost and schedule spirals out of control due to their dick'ing around. The sourcing partner makes this stuff painfully visible.

    That the local developers gets 'inspired' a bit is a secondary effect. It's not like their job is in danger since we're hiring like crazy. It's mostly management who's in hot water now and needs to wise up fast. This is poetic since they were the ones who started this outsourcing business.

    I might be pompous but I sure as hell can spot both immature practices (by the organization) and developers who needs to get out of the 80's. I get solid CMMI 5 stuff from the sourcing partner. Some of our own stuff looks pretty pathetic in comparison.

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  53. Interesting... by joe+155 · · Score: 1

    I read the interview-type-thing they had going on with Baron-Cohen (mainly because I've read some of his stuff, and his cousin is really funny). I worry about his attitude to equality though; perhaps this is just something which comes with age... he said;

    "I still believe in it some aspects of the idea of equality, but I can no longer accept the whole package. The question is, is it worth holding on to some elements of the idea if you've given up other elements? Does it make sense to have a partial belief in equality? Do you have to either believe in all of it, or none of it? My mind has been changed from my youthful starting point where I might have hoped that equality could be followed in all areas of life, but I still see value in holding on to some aspects of the principle. Striving to give people equality of social opportunity is still a value system worth defending, even if in the realm of biology, we have to accept equality has no place."

    It might be true that under his conception of biology equality has not place, but I think equality has more of a role to play that he seems to be allowing it. Firstly he could easily accept moral equality; that fits with his equality of social opportunity but also seems to fit nicely into a conception of "biological" equality. I also think if you take a commitment to equality of social opportunity then you'll probably have to bring in a great whack of economic equality because otherwise social situations just end up layered with complex social inequalities based on pride/respect people attach to themselves and others. Equality completely could still be achieved though through some kind of idea like Van-Parijs's "undominated diversity" could work (an idea, stated very basically, of "how much would we have to pay you to swap places with that person including all their physical defects") that way you have equality between complete endowments, even if not directly between each individual element.

    But then again, I guess some people think other values are more important than equality - liberty seems to be a popular one (and in extremes they seem to me to be pretty opposed...), but I'm sure there are other principles as well people like; fraternity/community?

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  54. Few will actually remember by kasperd · · Score: 1

    I think everybody have changed their mind about multiple things, but don't actually remember what they thought about it a year ago. There may even be areas where we would be choked to find out what we were thinking a year ago. Sometimes experience can change your opinion faster than you would have thought possible without even noticing the change.

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  55. Harris vs. nature by charlesbakerharris · · Score: 1, Troll

    Whether or not nature is our friend, Sam Harris is still a divisive, cherrypicking, spitemongering tool.

  56. Acid. by Max+Threshold · · Score: 1

    Yes.

  57. Where's my Wii! by __aaclcg7560 · · Score: 1

    I definitely gave up on trying to find a Wii in a store in 2007. I'm hoping 2008 will be better. ;)

  58. the most interesting mind-change by DreadfulGrape · · Score: 1
    Most interesting, and potentially the most useful, if you are of the male-gender-persuasion, is the one at the top of page 12, "Female Sexual Psychology".

    http://www.edge.org/q2008/q08_12.html#buss

    I seem to be changing my mind about that one on a constant basis.

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  59. Health Care by TheUglyAmerican · · Score: 1

    I've decided that health care insurance should be purchased (or not) by individuals or families like any other insurance. There is nothing ethically intrinsic to health care that would mandate it as an entitlement either from our employers or the government. It certainly isn't the most basic need - food and housing seem more important to me.

    We've grown accustom to having it provided to use but that is just a historical artifact. (Employers started providing health care benefits after WW2 when they were limited in their ability to offer higher salaries.)

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  60. Sure you will... by plasmacutter · · Score: 1

    just start saving now, mr hiller has a flying car model in actual production for a couple mil.

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  61. Re:Environmentalist and VideoGame Nuts and Linux F by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0


    "a once fertile land of discussion and intelligent observation"

    Really? When was that?

  62. Re:Environmentalist and VideoGame Nuts and Linux F by diablovision · · Score: 5, Funny

    Happy New Year 2002!

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  63. Question by el_munkie · · Score: 1

    Can you name one realistic contender in this election cycle that doesn't profess belief in the great sky wizard?

  64. no cake by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I no longer believe there will be cake.

  65. there's still time to change/free yOUR minds by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    the alternatives are untenable. mother nature IS yOUR friend, fauxking murderous greed/fear/ego based glowbull warmongering spiritdead control freaks are not.

    http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20071229/ap_on_sc/ye_climate_records;_ylt=A0WTcVgednZHP2gB9wms0NUE

    http://www.nytimes.com/2007/12/31/opinion/31mon1.html?em&ex=1199336400&en=c4b5414371631707&ei=5087%0A

    is it time to get real yet? A LOT of energy is being squandered in attempts to keep US in the dark. in the end (give or take a few 1000 years), the creators will prevail (world without end, etc...), as it has always been. the process of gaining yOUR release from the current hostage situation may not be what you might think it is. butt of course, most of US don't know, or care what a precarious/fatal situation we're in.

    for example; the insidious attempts by the felonious corepirate nazi execrable to block the suns' light, interfering with a requirement (sunlight) for us to stay healthy/alive. it's likely not good for yOUR health/memories 'else they'd be bragging about it?

    we're intending for the whoreabully deceptive (they'll do ANYTHING for a bit more monIE/power) felons to give up/fail even further, in attempting to control the 'weather', as well as a # of other things/events.

    http://video.google.com/videosearch?hl=en&q=video+cloud+spraying

    dictator style micro management has never worked (for very long). it's an illness. tie that with life0cidal aggression & softwar gangster style bullying, & what do we have? a greed/fear/ego based recipe for disaster.

    meanwhile, you can help to stop the bleeding (loss of life & limb);
    http://www.cnn.com/2007/POLITICS/12/28/vermont.banning.bush.ap/index.html

    the bleeding must be stopped before any healing can begin. jailing a couple of corepirate nazi hired goons would send a clear message to the rest of the world from US. any truthful look at the 'scorecard' would reveal that we are a society in decline/deep doo-doo, despite all of the scriptdead pr ?firm? generated drum beating & flag waving propaganda that we are constantly bombarded with. is it time to get real yet? please consider carefully ALL of yOUR other 'options'.

    the creators will prevail. as it has always been.

    corepirate nazi execrable costs outweigh benefits
    (Score:-)mynuts won, the king is a fink)
    by ourselves on everyday 24/7

    as there are no benefits, just more&more death/debt & disruption. fortunately there's an 'army' of light bringers, coming yOUR way.

    the little ones/innocents must/will be protected. after the big flash, ALL of yOUR imaginary 'borders' may blur a bit? for each of the creators' innocents harmed in any way, there is a debt that must/will be repaid by you/us, as the perpetrators/minions of unprecedented evile, will not be available. 'vote' with (what's left in) yOUR wallet, & by your behaviors. help bring an end to unprecedented evile's manifestation through yOUR owned felonious corepirate nazi glowbull warmongering execrable. some of US should consider ourselves somewhat fortunate to be among those scheduled to survive after the big flash/implementation of the creators' wwwildly popular planet/population rescue initiative/mandate. it's right in the manual, 'world without end', etc....

    as we all ?know?, change is inevitable, & denying/ignoring gravity, logic, morality, etc..., is only possible, on a temporary basis. concern about the course of events that will occur should the life0cidal execrable fail to be intervened upon is in order. 'do not be dismayed' (also from the manual). however, it's ok/reco

  66. Recycling is not necessarily better.... by KPexEA · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Penn & Teller's Bullshit! was very eye opening in regards to their episode on Recycling. Up until that point I thought that recycling was actually doing some good but after watching the show it looks like a lot of it is worse for the environment. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bullshit!

    1. Re:Recycling is not necessarily better.... by Ajaxamander · · Score: 1

      Except that 'recycling behavior' is important -- landfills WILL fill up, and recycling methods WILL improve in efficacy over time. If people are in the habit of separating their trash into refuse and recyclables, it's better for the environment. P&T are assholes for airing that episode without going into that.

    2. Re:Recycling is not necessarily better.... by Dr.+Zim · · Score: 1

      I'm ready for some flames on this one, but I'm inclined to agree.

      Recycling by itself is NOT the answer. It's a part of the three R's... Reduce, Reuse, Recycle... the last part. If you're going to pick one to focus on, pick Reduction... not only do you not use the resources to begin with, but you're not spending anything on the Recycling effort (which often consumes some pretty heavy resources).

      The 'Reuse' just seems to me like a compromise between the two.

      Back on topic, I'm changing my mind about cats. /z

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  67. My opinion on this annual list DIDN'T change. by operagost · · Score: 1

    Every year, it sounds like a collection of trolls interspersed with a few insightful individuals. Some of these trolls use this annual interview as a platform for their beliefs, usually anti-faith. Yes, we realize that most scientists and "thinkers" are agnostics or atheists, and they are every year. How is this a change? We have David Bodanis calling the Bible "inane" based on an belief about the city of Jericho that is actually still subject to debate. We have Patrick Bateson begging questions about alleged biblical inconsistencies. And what is Alan Alda doing in there? I suppose they wanted a celebrity affirmation of their attitudes. It really doesn't make any sense; as the only person that doesn't seem to know that Alan Alda is, has been, and probably always will be agnostic, is Alan Alda. This isn't news.

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  68. Re:Environmentalist and VideoGame Nuts and Linux F by lymond01 · · Score: 1

    1. O.K. I believe in global warming now. I heard a lot of dissenting evidence but it appears to be tainted.

    Glad to hear it. Now we need to figure out if we can stop it, slow it, or survive it. If the latter, it won't be superstorms and tsunamis that destroy the human race, it'll be lack of water and changing environmental landscapes that countries fight over that'll end humanity.

    2. Video Games do affect behavior in many children. Studies and family members in the field of education with years of observational experience have made me switch my opinion. I'm still not a big fan of government intervention on the subject, though.

    I'm just glad that also instilled in us is the restraint to not harm other people. TV and video games make us consider more "solutions" to problems than we might otherwise -- both violent or reasonable.

    3. Linux is ready for the desktop thanks to the EeePC. In fact, much of open source appears to be ready to eliminate the needs or even desire for a commercial alternative. Linux, OpenOffice, Firefox. I no longer feel like I'm having to settle for second rate in order to save money. I'd actually choose them even if the alternatives were free.

    I'm thinking it's the web browser that is making Linux more palatable. Many families don't care about XP/Linux/Mac so much as Gmail/Shutterfly/Online News. Now that applications aren't OS specific, as long as your OS has a browser and isn't ticking you off detecting devices, it's all good.

    4. Slashdot is moderated largely by hypocritical children who will mod up popular opinion and mod down unpopular posts regardless of accuracy. I predict the slow demise of Slashdot as the comments area, a once fertile land of discussion and intelligent observation becomes a members only arena linux/mac fanboys and video gamers who can't envision anyone else's opinion being right other than theirs. It will be a place where where speaking ill of religion, republicans or windows will be given an automatic +2 informative while speaking ill social web sites, video games, or modding practices will be an auto -2 troll.

    I think you're confusing Slashdot with the Internet in general. More people, more variety. Certain personalities wise up once they get a username and start getting called out for continuously trolling or being a jerk (as viewed in historical posts). Others...well, there's always the antagonizers.

    Happy New Year!

  69. Windows Vista by Peet42 · · Score: 1

    For the last couple of years I had been quite excited about the upcoming "Longhorn" with its journaling file system et. al.; when "Vista" was finally released with all the good bits stripped out at a bewildering range of prices that all boiled down to "Pay the highest price you see or when you install it you'll find some random features disabled" I was hugely disappointed. I'm now a confirmed Linux user.

  70. Life of Happiness vs. Life of Meaning by chocolatetrumpet · · Score: 1

    My entire life I have been seeking happiness by default. In 2007, I made the choice to seek a more meaningful life, in spite of whatever happiness or misery it may bring.

    This is a rewarding but challenging way to live.

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    1. Re:Life of Happiness vs. Life of Meaning by srussia · · Score: 1

      This is a rewarding but challenging way to live. So I get that you are happier now?
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  71. Utter Rubbish by Khomar · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Ron Paul has repeatedly said that some of his personal heroes are Martin Luther King Jr and Ghandi -- very odd choices for a white supremacist. He also said in an interview that he would consider someone like Walter Williams, a black economist, as his running mate.

    The article posted has long since been dismissed as the writing of a ghost writer that was subsequently removed from his staff. His public life of service has shown no other evidence of any racism beyond this single article from the early nineties as was covered in Free Market News

    From that article is the following quote by Ron Paul:

    The true antidote to racism is liberty. Liberty means having a limited, constitutional government devoted to the protection of individual rights rather than group claims. Liberty means free-market capitalism, which rewards individual achievement and competence, not skin color, gender, or ethnicity. In a free market, businesses that discriminate lose customers, goodwill, and valuable employees - while rational businesses flourish by choosing the most qualified employees and selling to all willing buyers. More importantly, in a free society every citizen gains a sense of himself as an individual, rather than developing a group or victim mentality. This leads to a sense of individual responsibility and personal pride, making skin color irrelevant. Rather than looking to government to correct what is essentially a sin of the heart, we should understand that reducing racism requires a shift from group thinking to an emphasis on individualism.

    It really is amazing that in 10 terms in congress and being in the public spotlight for 30 years, this is the only thing that the media can dig up against Ron Paul.

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    I believe in de-evolution. God made the world perfect, man fell, and its been going downhill ever since!

    1. Re:Utter Rubbish by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      you'd think a retraction would have been in order, wouldn't you? yet none was written. as you'd expect from someone who takes poltical contributions from neo-nazis.

  72. A few items. . . by Fantastic+Lad · · Score: 1
    Discovered that Star Trek DS9 was actually pretty good. (I wound up with some time on my hands and a weird desire to review a bunch of old sci-fi.)

    Also, that physical chemistry in love isn't something to be avoided. --I'd come to mistrust 'chemistry', considering it a type of trap designed to stick you with partners who were hell-bent on destroying you, and opted instead for people who I could be friends with. My humbling lesson of 2007 was that unless you have both chemistry and friendship, a relationship can't work very well, and that women who are out to destroy you are there because you seek them out. As always, internal work is the thing to focus on.

    Also realized that it's not just okay to bear feelings of love for somebody society may not deem them appropriate for you to love, (affection for another man's wife/girlfriend, or somebody who isn't your parter etc.), but that it's a million times easier and less destructive than trying to deny those feelings. Instead you can say openly to all involved, "Hey, I love this woman!" and the world isn't going to end. Being in love doesn't mean you have to seek a relationship or even deepen the emotional ties, and just being open about it relieves all kinds of tensions. Everybody knows everything on some level anyway. I and several other people around me went through these tough lessons in 2007 to discover more about how it all works.

    Also decided that brie is actually pretty great when you have it on bread.


    -FL

  73. UCC by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

    United Church of Christ (UCC) is a mainline protestant denomination, tends to be somewhat Calvinistic in it's viewpoint, which makes it a close relative to Presbyterianism.

    That generally makes them socially tolerant, if not socially active.

    Theologically, Calvinist churches tend to be philosophical about spirituality, and are not generally on a mission to convert you to their particular denomination; in general, such attempts are considered somewhat out of character.

    If Obama grew up in this tradition, he is likely to be Christian, but very tolerant of other people's beliefs, even if at odds with his own.

  74. I Learned to Stop Worrying and Love the Bomb by infonography · · Score: 1

    I guess you could call that changing my mind.

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  75. lifehacker by mjs_ud · · Score: 1

    From the RSS feed, I thought this was lifehacker for a minute.

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  76. Microsoft by Tablizer · · Score: 1

    I've decided to like Microsoft.

    NOT!

  77. OT: Pinker and Evolution by argent · · Score: 1
    Pinker writes:

    New results from the labs of Jonathan Pritchard, Robert Moyzis, Pardis Sabeti, and others have suggested that thousands of genes, perhaps as much as ten percent of the human genome, have been under strong recent selection, and the selection may even have accelerated during the past several thousand years. The numbers are comparable to those for maize, which has been artificially selected beyond recognition during the past few millennia.

    This shouldn't be surprising, even though it is. When you think about the human environment a little it suddenly seems inevitable.

    Some decades ago, during the period where dolphin intelligence appeared to be an active topic in biology, at least from the point of view of a non-biologist, I recall reading an argument that the biggest force driving the evolution of the dolphin brain was other dolphins. That their society had become a feedback loop encouraging further changes.

    What struck me at the time was that this was even more true for humans, that the biggest impact on the evolution of humans is other humans, especially since humans had these effective and efficient mechanisms for transmitting beliefs about other humans around... in words and later in writing. And they act on these beliefs in ways that impose heavy selection pressure on themselves and each other, through wars, religions, technology, and so on.

    In fact a common metaphor for all these beliefs is that of "memes", mental genes. That these beliefs act *like* genetically transmitted material, that they compete and evolve. What this information is saying, to me at least, is that not only do they do that... but they also have an effect on genes as well. Now I'm not saying that memes are carried genetically... some memes even seem to have the effect of reducing the reproductive fitness of their carriers... but that their existence as a *common* selection mechanism for large groups of people is acting as a selection pressure for people who have the ability to survive and flourish in the presence of these memes. As memes change, then, the pressure changes, and other genetic factors become selected for.

    The biggest force driving the evolution of the human species right now is other humans.

    The transmission mechanism for this force is memes.
  78. Fair Tax by eric76 · · Score: 1

    I went from being pro Fair Tax to being skeptical. There are a few questions I'd need to see satisfactorily answered to become pro Fair Tax again.

    My biggest concern is that it would push American buyers of certain goods overseas and destroy our manufacturing capabilities in those areas. In the early 1990s, we had a luxury tax on new cars, boats, and jewelry over a certain value. Estimates were that we would raise something like six billion dollars in the first year. What really happened is that people quit buying those items in the United States and we only raised a few million in taxes on the items while gutting those industries. I think it especially hit the boat building industries hard. We certainly don't need to accelerate the rate at which we export our manufacturing overseas.

    Another concern is that people will change their purchasing habits dramatically and the revenue raised will be far less than what is forecast. The result will be an escalating tax rate. The assumption that we won't change our purchasing behavior doesn't seem to be very likely.

    Finally, of course, I think that it will push more and more of the taxes onto the middle and upper middle class. If you make ten million a year, and spend a million, you'd be paying about $300,000 in taxes for an effective tax rate on income is 3%. If you make a hundred thousand and spend seventy thousand on goods and services, you're going to be paying about $21,000 in taxes and the effective tax rate on income is 21%.

    Even before this change, I considered a flat tax with NO exemptions the better method. I think that even more now.

    1. Re:Fair Tax by geekoid · · Score: 1

      The flat tax places a heavier burden on the poor.

      Our tax method is actually pretty good. Yes, there are some places I would like to see fixed, but it's not really mad.

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    2. Re:Fair Tax by eric76 · · Score: 1

      Typically, the tax is on all income over a certain level. The poor wouldn't be hit at all with it.

      For example, an article on flat taxes a year or two ago in The Economist magazine mentioned a flat tax plan advocated by a professor at Duke where the cutoff was something like $100,000.

  79. I became an atheist. by Diordna · · Score: 1

    Not much more to say than that.

  80. I wasnt trolling... by wizardforce · · Score: 1

    you making the assumption that the only way that you can believe is by going to church every sunday. that's not really true, a major reason for going to church is to worship with others and strengthen your faith. I did go to church when I was very young but to tell you the truth it never really did anything for me, it felt like a chore- like everyone went because they felt they needed to rather than wanting to srengthen their faith. it felt hollow to me and I choose to believe my own way, to read the bible myself rather than having everything dictated to me by someone else. years later, I went to college and met new friends, many of which were very religious and I decided to go with them to church again. I thought it would be different this time but it wasn't. going to church and worshipping with them made me re-evaluate what I believed and why I believed it. It was out of a curiousity and respect for religion that I attempted to strengthen my beliefs in church which ironically lead me to reject the entire faith. the church its self really wasn't the problem, it just lead me to examine what I believed in greater detail.

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  81. Changing Minds? by Kipper+the+Llama · · Score: 3, Informative

    The following are my personal notes on the article, written and organized as I read it:

    This is a really good article, though like past years, you can know the general lean (political, philosophical and scientific) of the participants before you begin. However, there are always answers that go up against the grain, and these are the ones I find most interesting. Some of the answers are pretty fascinating, like this one from Joseph Ledoux:

    Like many scientists in the field of memory, I used to think that a memory is something stored in the brain and then accessed when used. Then, in 2000, a researcher in my lab, Karim Nader, did an experiment that convinced me, and many others, that our usual way of thinking was wrong. In a nutshell, what Karim showed was that each time a memory is used, it has to be restored as a new memory in order to be accessible later. The old memory is either not there or is inaccessible. In short, your memory about something is only as good as your last memory about it. This is why people who witness crimes testify about what they read in the paper rather than what they witnessed.

    What's so fascinating about this answer to me is that it is something that's been clear to me, upon reflection, for many years. I have a clear "memory" of my second birthday, even though this is a time from which most persons don't have memories. Now, it's known that that being able to form sentences early (which I was able to do) helps in the creation of memory; being able to "narrate" thought allows us to construct some sort of record of events better. However, around the age of 11 or so, I began to realize that I was not remembering the event so much as my prior recollection of it. This meant I began to be very careful about my use of memory and how much I trusted my own mind, which I know to play tricks on me at times. It's known that, even for a mentally well person, a long-held falsehood can become true for the person simply because they create a memory of the false event. Also, philosophy has been aware of the importance of this sort of trick of the mind for some time. It's interesting to see science just now approach it, and it is instructive in how scientific paradigm (e.g., that memory functions like a hard drive) can override the obvious conclusions of self-reflection.

    A lot of the answers touch on classic issues in the philosophy of science, a field some scientists love (most geologists, theoretical physicists) and others hate (most biologists). Karl Sabbagh's answer about expertise is right and wrong in equally interesting measures (yes, one should not trust experts unguarded, but, no, your judgement is not as good as an expert's in an area of their expertise, per se). Piet Hut's answer about explanations is sort of trivial for anyone who knows philosophy of science, but a good example of the problem (or explanation--hah!) for the neophyte. Colin Tudge's answer about the limits of science is simillarly instructive and worth repeating (in part):

    I have changed my mind about the omniscience and omnipotence of science. I now realize that science is strictly limited, and that it is extremely dangerous not to appreciate this.

    Science proceeds in general by being reductionist. This term is used in different ways in different contexts but here I take it to mean that scientists begin by observing a world that seems infinitely complex and inchoate, and in order to make sense of it they first "reduce" it to a series of bite-sized problems, each of which can then be made the subject of testable hypotheses which, as far as possible, take mathematical form.

    Fair enough. The approach is obviously powerful, and it is hard to see how solid progress of a factual kind could be made in any other way. It produces answers of the kind known as "robust". "Robust" does not of course mean "unequivocally true" and still less does it meet the lawyers' criteria -- "the whole truth, and nothing but the truth". But robustness is pretty good;

  82. my (ex) wife by passthecrackpipe · · Score: 2, Funny

    got my divorce sorted out on christmas day. about time as well. crazy bitch was getting on my nerves

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    People who think they know everything are a great annoyance to those of us who do.
    1. Re:my (ex) wife by geekoid · · Score: 1

      Got a gun for christmas?

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  83. That ALSA is good by wertigon · · Score: 1

    Seriously. ALSA is a mistake and should be treated as such. Get OSS4 instead.

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  84. The real question . . . by cashman73 · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    is how many times did John Kerry flip-flop in 2007? ;-)

  85. you are quite ill infomed by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Troll

    Not flaming, just going to correct you before you believe and therefore spread more erroneous FUD. Just FYI, back before medicare and medicaid, health care insurance-or just simply paying for it out of pocket-was *much* cheaper(as a percentage of joe working class raw median take home pay). This is from personal "been there" experience, I am old enough to comment on this, not out of a book or anything. The feds jumping in and controlling it caused instant huge price increases and it has never even gotten close to being a deal like it used to be. It was so freaking cheap guys used to go door to door selling policies.

    In other words, stop drinking the new age welfare state koolaid without some historical perspective. Was it perfect? No it was not, but for joe regular worker right down to sub one dollar an hour range (when I started full time working it was still well under a buck an hour), health care coverage or direct hospital/medical bills were just not that bad, they just weren't for the most part. Right now, it is WAY more expensive, inflation adjusted or not, just way more expensive. Same with education. The feds being involved with education has doubled the cost and reduced actual knowledge transferred. Again, went to school before the department of education was around as an official cabinet level deal. sorry, education since 1980 is not any better and in a lot of ways it is worse. That entire department is not needed whatsoever for any purpose other than to coordinate mass children brainwashing. That is the number one goal of the department and always has been, to convert over younger generations to be big brother/corporate drones.

    I am sort of surprised the europeans fell for it hook line and sinker, given they saw in their own backyards how this whole scam with brainwashing children worked out with hitler and stalins regime, but so it goes, they fell for it and are now so hooked on it it has reached cult like behavior. Oh well...some people just refuse to admit they have been long term conned so they defend being conned/exploited/taken advantage of. There's a term for it, it is called "stockholm syndrome".

    The feds screw up all the time, some is necessary, most is not, and at best they add a huge layer of bloated bureaucracy who exist solely to shuffle paperwork around.

    1. Re:you are quite ill infomed by damburger · · Score: 2, Informative

      I am just stunned someone who compared the NHS with the Nazi party got modded 'Insightful'.

      Now its my turn to correct your laughably misguided information. I live in the UK, and I have been both a patient and an admin worker for the NHS. I thus have in depth knowledge of one of the largest 'socialised' healthcare systems in the world.

      It works fine. When it does fuck up, its normally because they've been forced to use an outside contractor for something (MRSA wasn't really a problem until some genius in Whitehall suggested we get private contractors to clean hospitals). It hasn't ruined our economy or spawned a fascist regime as your inherited republican wisdom would suggest.

      May I kindly suggest that until you can educate yourself beyond the editorial section of Soldier of Fortune you quit posting on slashdot and go back to sitting on your porch, cleaning your guns and chewing tobacco.

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    2. Re:you are quite ill infomed by WhiplashII · · Score: 1

      Really, the whole issue of health care in the US is a big mess:

      1. We want a capitalist system (at least we say so), so government health care is looked at as "bad" by most people (thats why we don't have it). Capitalist health care can be shown to provide better services, and provide faster technological growth. At the very least this is taken as truth for everything outside of healthcare, and so presumably would apply.

      2. We don't have a capitalist system:
          a) Most people have "insurance", at least partially paid for by employers. The end user never faces the supply/demand curve when getting medical services.
          b) For the obvious reason, it is illegal for a hospital to turn someone away due to inability to pay. So hospitals have to provide free service for the poor anyway, but have no ability to tax others to pay for this care.
          c) Medical "Insurance" is not insurance. It is fraud to buy insurance that you expect to use! What we really have are opt-in tax plans, where you opt-in to have some amount deducted from your paycheck (or work for slightly less, whatever) - in return, you get socialized medicine within certain parameters. Many people choose not to buy insurance, for many reasons (including "it costs too much")

      Because of this situation, costs are obviously going to spiral up. Think about it - your personal out of pocket doesn't change no matter what is done. Obviously, you choose to have the most expensive (and therefor presumably best) procedures. If your current doctor doesn't recommend it, then you find one that does!

      In a capitalist system, this doesn't happen because you pay your expected costs, and use insurance only to pay for unexpected stuff. In a socialist system, this doesn't happen because the doctors do not answer to the patient - so if they say no ultrasound, it's no ultrasound.

      Ways to fix it: Either go full capitalist (with options for state-provided unexpected care, if desired), or go full socailist (with a parrallel capitalist system, if desired). But this current half-socialist stuff just doesn't work...

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  86. Best answer is from Dr. Leon Lederman by Zott+and+Brock · · Score: 1

    The Obligations and Responsibilities of The Scientist:
    http://www.edge.org/q2008/q08_3.html#lederman

    Dr. Lederman is the Nobel laureate who was interviewed on Slashdot several years ago. If you haven't read that interview, you owe it to yourself to do so now.

    Link: http://slashdot.org/interviews/00/01/14/0948201.shtml

  87. Re:Environmentalist and VideoGame Nuts and Linux F by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Certain personalities wise up once they get a username and start getting called out for continuously trolling or being a jerk

    Others just make multiple accounts.

  88. Vista by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I thought it was going to be a version of windows that I could finally tolerate, and would finally have something that vaugley resembled security.

    Ah well, at least I never actually put down money for it.

  89. Great collection of mini essays - worth a peek. by 6350' · · Score: 1

    Wow, I gotta admit - that is a very large collection of what amounts to mini essays by a very very large number of people, from a very diverse range of disciplines and backrounds. I really recommend randomly clicking through large number of pages they have, all filled with thoughts and essays from a whole wodge of people in, and in orbit around, science. I accidentally blew through an hour on that list.

  90. I became a cynic by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Whereas before I tried to hang on to some shred of my humanity.

    Now I have let go and am in freefall.

    Until I cease to exist.

  91. Virtualization by metachimp · · Score: 1

    Up until this year, I regarded virtualization asjust another buzzword, and a cheap and easy way to avoid having to think through and develop good IT policies and get good admins and other support people.

    After having worked with someone who really knew their stuff as far as virtualization was concerned, I now realize that I was wrong, and that virtualization is a powerful and very useful tool to have in one's arsenal.

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    The system has failed you, don't fail yourself. --Billy Bragg
  92. Disappointed by democrat leadership by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I was elated when the Democrats took the House and Senate...I thought that in 2007 they would stick it to bu$h and expedite the process of getting our troops home from Iraq and undo other of his stupid policies. Unfortunately, they did not deliver, and have had nothing but failure after failure. All they do is whine that they're being obstructed by this or that, and roll over for bush half the time! That's not the kind of leadership I want to follow. I think I'll vote independent this year.

    1. Re:Disappointed by democrat leadership by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Give them a full majority in 2009 then.

  93. ambient noise by bassling · · Score: 1

    The aeolian harp in my backyard: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ko4rBbMc59M
    I finally got it: the richness of the harmonics, the music in its cycles and the feeling of being bathed in low frequencies. Everyone should have one, it's like a radio that trains you to hear pop music in the drone of the fridge or the ceiling fan.

  94. I actually read TFA by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    All 20 pages, believe it or not. Lots of ego trips and self-congratulatory fluff, why is it that humility is in such short supply with science nerds?

    Among the exceptions, some guy named Kevin Kelly:

    Much of what I believed about human nature, and the nature of knowledge, has been upended by the Wikipedia. http://www.edge.org/q2008/q08_6.html
    1. Re:I actually read TFA by Kipper+the+Llama · · Score: 1

      If you had RTFA, you'd know that not all 20 pages are online, yet. So you really read all 16 pages. ;)

    2. Re:I actually read TFA by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Nope, all 20. How quickly I will not say, but I read the banners of the empty pages very carefully :)

      In fact, I started reading from the last page backward. When it comes to long boring reads I have this paranoid belief that the most valuable information is intentionally shoved at the end. It wasn't worth the trouble anyway, mostly self-promotional blogs of academics and social climbers looking for exposure.

  95. Compiler Warnings by Mike610544 · · Score: 1

    I used to ignore them ... let them slowly accumulate until new ones weren't noticeable.

    This year I realized that GCC wasn't trying to annoy me. It was trying to help.

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  96. Ebert changes a rating: the whole shootin match by arbitraryaardvark · · Score: 1

    In 1980, film critic Roger Ebert http://rogerebert.suntimes.com/ rated "The Whole Shootin' Match" three stars. In 2007, after the indy film's creator Eagle Pennell had died of being a drunk, Ebert added a star. The film was the inspiration for Robert Redford's sundance festival and for Richard Linklater's (dazed and confused, slacker) becoming a filmmaker.

  97. Overstatement? by pablodiazgutierrez · · Score: 1

    Perhaps the most beautiful girl in the room. And depending on the street, probably top three.

  98. I don't agree by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0


    with your choice of the word 'root' as a metaphor for origin like that. For me that analogy is really
    supposed to mean 'why?' as:

    You said:

    fighting terrorism at its roots ( in the Madrases ) and local Muslim populations

    It's 'Why to plants grow? Because they have roots.'
    Not 'the root cause of that leaf growing is because it's on a branch.'

    As long as you remember to ask 'why' when discussing root problems, then you truly are going along down, to the roots.
    Why was the leaf black? Because it was on a bad branch. Why was the branch bad? Because it was on a bad trunk.
    Why was the trunk bad? Because the tree had bad roots?

    What are the roots of terrorism. Who knows? But I can tell you it's not as simple as "fixing" Muslim communities
    in America.

    In Chinese philosophy, evil and good are seen as little more than opposing energies. Yin and Yang

    It's not accepting evil, it's respecting it. When you grow that tree, you have to respect that it will face adversity,
    from bugs, animals etc. Once you respect it, you can moderate it better.

    Irespect that if the powers that be in this world anger minority populations - just because of the way they run things, and the deccadence they show when doing so - then we need to change those powers that be to something that can better represent us all.

    And so that will be my wish for 2008. Governments moving to satisfy all ethnic communities, by pledging to tackle the root causes of their anger/alienation/frustration etc.

    I do aree with you on Iraq though and I think we are of the same oppinion essentially. You understand the futility of Iraq. I just want to make sure you understand there are truer alternatives when tackling the root cause of our problems.

  99. What did I change my mind on? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I changed my mind on the way I influence things:

    I am lving in a foreign Asian country. Whether from my upbringing or my natural principles, I believed in being very passive
    in terms of how I influence a foreign culture. My original point of view was that I should fully respect ALL
    of the foreign culture as a macro entity, and never complain about or try to change things at a micro level. This is very important IMO. You should not take yourself too seriously in life. We are all tiny grains in this universe. But, we should remember that we are part of mankind ( a sligtly bigger grain in the universe) and that our everyday decisions and influences do add up each day. Collectively if something changes, it is often as a result of the efforts of many people - not just one person. I believe in people power so long as we are not all sheep. We should be able to lead ourselves. My point is that we have to be careful with our influennces and desire for change:

    My original point of view was that 'If I change things at a micro level, then maybe I will affect the whole macro entity.'

    My point of view has changed a little. I still believe it's wrong to try and influence or change someone elses culture,
    but you should complain or influence things a little. This is because if we don't, we deny our human spirit.

    It's natural for a spirit to want to participate, and be involved in the society they live in as a minority.

    So, I am a minority resident in S. Korea. Now, I use my voice a little more.

  100. More interesting commentary here by Jugalator · · Score: 1

    There's some more interesting (scientific) commentary on this on the Cosmic Variance blog:
    http://cosmicvariance.com/2008/01/01/what-have-you-changed-your-mind-about/

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  101. Mod parent stupid by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You're confusing an investment (college education) with a consumption good (gas).

  102. Patents and copyright. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Well, I used to think that some balance of interests was possible in copyright and patent law. The events of 2007 convinced me otherwise - we have a stark choice, their abolition or continued tyranny. There is no real in-between that can be maintained for any length of time. If you look at the history of technological innovation, you realise it's been shaped by the patent system. Like a chinese bound foot is shaped. It's ultimately disgusting and needs to stop.

  103. A: Open Source by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The answer to the title question, what I changed my mind about, is open source. In particular, I've decided that I dislike the concept of what could only be best described as communism in its purest form, the idea that I as a developer am somehow obligated to give my hard work away for all to scrutinize, criticize, and quite likely plagiarize in some fashion. Do auto manufacturers give their cars away (or even sell them at manufacturing costs, turning no profits)? Do workers at a meat-packing plant slave away for free? Do software developers invest large amounts of personal time and possibly even financial resources to produce solutions to problems, only to give the results away to anybody who comes asking for it?

    Unfortunately, in the above scenarios, common sense dictates the outcome of only two of the three presented. There are in fact people who sacrifice themselves for the public, out of some misguided sense of altruism or pride, but many of those who benefit from that gift of code are probably laughing themselves to sleep in amazement that somebody would feel any obligation to show gratitude. Personally, I use open source software, and quite shamelessly, because it's there to use. I'll use it, and I'll never thank the people that wrote it, nor will I give them money or praise or anything else, simply because they're begging to be exploited.

    I, for one, will continue to exploit the hard work of the developers of grep, sed, and all kinds of fun tools. After all, thanks to the communist movement, I own that software just as much as the original developers do...

  104. Linux Distros - from a Linux newbie by Whiteox · · Score: 1

    Yep. After paying for PClinuxOS, installing it (after reading glowing reports), then deciding it looked to much like Windows, reverted back to Ubuntu.
    Why?
    Well if a desktop looks too similar to your standard XP gui, you half expect to get property sheets and other info. The gui is made to look like XP, but doesn't react the same. Windows is always there in the back of your head when your operating PC/OS.
    Ubuntu's gui on the other hand is different enough that you have to learn the way the gui operates. Its easier to do that than learn an XP variant.
    Maybe it's the difference between KDE and Gnome?

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  105. I, for one... by dangitman · · Score: 1

    ... welcome our Ron Paul overlords.

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  106. Engineers have lost control of the IT departments by shanec · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Engineers have lost control of their IT departments. In truth, this might have happened long ago, but as the topic suggests, I've just come to that conclusion this (now past) year.

    For a long time now MBA's, and management types in general have struggled to understand, cut costs, and in general quantify something that is not quantifiable. After all, if a system administrator does their job correctly, you never know they're doing their job at all.

    So the management types end up coming up with obtuse questions for which they expect hard answers. How many trouble tickets a day should a system administrator be able to close? Why didn't you have a "satisfactory" response from the end user when you closed the ticket? What justifies "spending extra time" on a problem? Why wasn't something done to prevent the problem?

    These are all arbitrary questions that can't be answered with simple solutions. More importantly, these are all arbitrary questions that can't be quantified. They don't fit well into a spreadsheet. They don't take into account being woken up in the middle of the night, and prodded for an answer. They don't take into account carrying a pager 24/7. They don't take into account someone saying something to you in a hall way, and expecting you to remember it like your life depends on it. And they certainly don't take into account the basic fact that computer administration is an art, not a science.

    So the MBA's of the world have started "laying down the law." Everyone must start work at 8AM, no exceptions (we don't care when you were paged). You must track all of your time spent through out the day (no potty breaks for you!). You must close X amount of tickets a day. You must carry on doing the work of the department, even though we have cut half the positions in an attempt to bolster the management bonuses. You must keep abreast of all current changes in technology, in your personal time. You will be expected to be able to answer about any new technical matter, but you can not spend work time learning about it, unless it was approved in writing first.

    System administration in the way that I know it, having grown up in Bell Labs (literally), will go the way of the computer operator. There will be set shifts. There will be a union. There will be no creativity. Everything will be done in an organized fashion, and signed in triplicate.

    No exceptions.

  107. Re:What did I change my mind on? by Wordsmith · · Score: 2, Interesting

    People tend to treat culture as if it's some holy system deserving of respect. Culture is a label slapped on the status quo of an arbitrarily defined subset of people at any given point - and is constantly in flux. If your own sense of logic and decency say something's right, then try and convince others - those others are people to, and as such are capable of deciding whether they want to incorporate your ideas into their lives. Don't worry so much about contamination. It's really a non-issue.

    That being said, there's nothing wrong with respecting the existence of traditions and subjective preferences - but there's also nothing wrong with introducing your own previously foreign experience into the mix.

    Of course, it sounds like you're beginning to come around to that view. Don't be afraid to go all-out with it.

  108. Re:What did I change my mind on? by powerpants · · Score: 1

    I agree with your sentiment overall, but don't you worry that some quieter traditions will die out if they're not protected? Certain memes are insidiously catchy, but not necessarily beneficial.

    In other words, how ya gonna keep 'em down on the farm once they've seen Karl Hungus?

  109. Some Math by plasmacutter · · Score: 1

    I made the account in fall 03 if memory serves me correctly.

    4 years at 365 days a year = 1460 days.

    This means 1.36 posts a day on average.

    that's sure a lot of leisure time!

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  110. Re:What did I change my mind on? by Eivind · · Score: 1

    That is a really REALLY silly point of view.

    It assumes that culture is something static, external to us, that we at best leave alone, lest we inadvertently damage it somehow.

    Nothing could be further from the truth. Culture is what we do and why we do it. If everyone acted like you -- careful not to work for change, then we'd still be living in caves and still perform whatever cultural rituals our ancestors did back then, in the caves.

    No, a living culture needs the oposite: People who are creative. People who are passionate. People who figth for what they believe in. People who create something NEW. People who critisize old habits that they find faults with. People who use their voice.

    The fact that you're living as a minority makes no difference whatsoever, cultures where *always* formed in no small part trough influences from travellers and immigrants. More variation, new impulses, a fresh look on things is a strong -plus- for a culture, not a minus. Even though yes it often leads to increased friction in the short term. (all change comes with friction so this is non-surprising).

    It's hardly an accident that so much new art, new music, new literary works, new architecture, new religions, whatever sprang up exactly where diverse people-groups rubbed up against eachother. It's no -accident- that islam, judaism and christianity arose where they did, to take one random example -- that *IS* where Africa, Asia and Europe rubs into eachother.

  111. I changed my mind about... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I changed my mind about Macs. That is, I realised Vista was actually a steaming pile of poo for something that took so many years of development and switched. I haven't looked back since.

  112. Potassium by 16Chapel · · Score: 1

    Has everyone noticed that Simon Baron-Cohen is in fact the cousin of Sacha?

    Though I'm sure he's done plenty of important work of his own...

  113. Richard Dawkins by sherriw · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I love Dawkins' point about the difference in how we view politicians vs scientists who change their minds. I never did understand why some people criticize politicians for changing direction- that should be a virtue.

  114. Simon Baron-Cohen? by Lisandro · · Score: 1

    Am i the only one who misread that and was eager for a comment? I need more coffee these mornings...

    1. Re:Simon Baron-Cohen? by adavies42 · · Score: 1

      I dunno about you, but I read it as Sacha Baron Cohen.

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  115. The American Dream by alexhmit01 · · Score: 1

    As for the American dream, you missed my point in my original post - it never really existed! at least for most. There has always been a huge underclass, mainly working in low wage jobs, so that a few could live a good life. The "American Dream" is a myth perpetrated by advertising men to convince folks that their life is somehow incomplete, but wouldn't be if they only bought Product X. It's an historical accident that the US went through a period where the ratio of peons:priviledged got closer to equity. That's going away.

    The American Dream, pre-marketing myth, was that anyone could come to America, no matter how poor, how little they understand English, whatever their religion, etc., and try to succeed and keep the fruits of their labor. The American Dream was that if you worked hard, you could succeed to the best of your ability.

    In America, any Native Son could grow up and become the President of the United States. The Head of State COULD be anyone. In Europe, to be Head of State, the best solution was for your father to be Head of State, and be the oldest son. Any other path involved being related to the Head of State, and the right people dying off. You can joke all you want about Bush being President because his father was, but only TWO Presidents are the son's of other Presidents in the US... what percentage of Monarchs are related to the previous Monarch? :)

    Before the New Deal and the "New American Dream," there was no IRS, INS, W-2, W-4, 1099, I-9, SSA, etc. You wanted work, you got up early and looked for work. Some jobs lasted a day, some a week, some months, but whatever your wages were, you kept them. The Media loves to mock the "Mexican Day Laborer" that stands around at Home Depot looking for work for a day... my grandfather was telling me that during the Great Depression, that's how his father got work essentially. There was no "employment law," you went and got work.

    This was in contrast to Europe (particularly England) where all national wealth either theoretically belonged to the Crown or was owned by a small class of aristocrats. In the US, not everyone owned land, but everyone COULD own land. Sure they might not be able to afford it, but you could legally buy land. You didn't have to be the Heir to the the current Heir to the old Feudal Lord that owned the land and just rented it out to the people.

    After WWII, the suburbs were created because massive numbers of men ages 18-30 showed back up, got married, and wanted houses quickly. The rest of the country felt that nothing was too good for the men returning victorious, and numerous benefits were created for Vets (and a desire to keep them from immediately flooding the labor market and causing massive unemployment, so the Gov't got some to go to college, etc.). America had unprecedented wealth, both because WWII R&D translated into massive improvements in manufacturing creating massive wealth, and as a percentage of global wealth, America exploded because it hadn't just had its cities leveled for the second time in 30 years. This resulted in massive money for conveniences (kitchen appliances that we take for granted generally date to the 1950s through 1970s), freeing up leisure time.

    The middle class as a concept, spoiled, pampered, wealthy, was founded in this time frame. Wealth exploded, and the "Greatest Generation" happened to be in the position to move up with it. They gave their children unprecedented advantages, and the Baby Boomers became the first generation to define education as lasting through age 22. Public education started with 1-8, then 1-10, 1-12 and K-12, and now Pre-K:16. What happens as things become standard, they stop attracting a premium. A high school diploma received a premium wage when most people went through 8th grade, college did as the diploma was normal.

    The fact is, unless you "NEED" the education (technical, specialized education), the ever increasing baseline of education to signal "I'm

    1. Re:The American Dream by Firethorn · · Score: 1

      I have to agree with you.

      Especially on the education angle. Education is good, but we have far too many 4 year college graduates being shift supervisor at McD's(or their competitor's equivalents). That can be handled by a good HS graduate or 2 year degreed individual.

      I think that we need to re-emphasize technical schools, and go back towards teaching practical skills in HS, not have HS be almost universally college prep.

      It might sound odd, but many plumbers and electricians today make more money than degreed computer science workers.

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  116. Re:Environmentalist and VideoGame Nuts and Linux F by wannabe-retiree · · Score: 1

    4. Slashdot is moderated largely by hypocritical children who will mod up popular opinion and mod down unpopular posts regardless of accuracy. I predict the slow demise of Slashdot as the comments area, a once fertile land of discussion and intelligent observation becomes a members only arena linux/mac fanboys and video gamers who can't envision anyone else's opinion being right other than theirs. It will be a place where where speaking ill of religion, republicans or windows will be given an automatic +2 informative while speaking ill social web sites, video games, or modding practices will be an auto -2 troll.
    My biggest realization is related to this as well. 2007 was the year where I realized that I will not adapt and have no desire to engage with "the next generation" who is now online. I personally can't stand seeing online discussions filled with nothing but people chiming in without anything to say. I don't know if it's self absorption, arrogance, or something else entirely, but why post comments that only say LOL, OMG, QFT, FTMFW, etc? I used to love reading message boards for the variety of ideas and arguments. While there have always been trolls and garbage to sift through, you could still get to decent content. Now I've stopped reading a number of sites I used to enjoy because all I see are people who post their acronymed reactions and insults that they think are arguments. Slashdot has held up so far, but you can certainly notice a shift towards this trend in both the comments and the moderating. I'm hoping the trend doesn't continue, but it probably will unless adjustments are made to the moderating system.
    2007 was the year that I decided that I'm an Online Curmudgeon. Now get off my lawn.
  117. Re:Environmentalist and VideoGame Nuts and Linux F by Geoff-with-a-G · · Score: 1

    Slashdot is moderated largely by hypocritical children who will mod up popular opinion and mod down unpopular posts regardless of accuracy. I predict the slow demise of Slashdot as the comments area, a once fertile land of discussion and intelligent observation becomes a members only arena linux/mac fanboys and video gamers who can't envision anyone else's opinion being right other than theirs. It will be a place where where speaking ill of religion, republicans or windows will be given an automatic +2 informative while speaking ill social web sites, video games, or modding practices will be an auto -2 troll.

    You decided this last year? Seriously? I felt this way five years ago. Maybe more. I finally just realized that it's Sturgeon's Law at work: 90% of the comments will be crap (mostly of the varieties you describe) but 10% of them are genuinely interesting, informative, or insightful. So when I've got time to spare, I'll wade through the 90% to get to the 10%. Other times, it's just not worth it. But I don't think slashdot itself has changed that much in this past year, or even the past five.

  118. Sometimes good ol' stuff is great. by wcrowe · · Score: 1

    There's at least one area where good ol' stuff doesn't suck, which many people discovered during the big ice storm last month. An acquaintance related how the power went out at her office building. They had a generator, but it only powered the phones and the computers, which left them trying to work in the dark. But that wasn't the problem. A disaster of a sorts quickly became apparent as they discovered that their automatic, electrically-operated flush toilets no longer functioned.

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  119. Re:Environmentalist and VideoGame Nuts and Linux F by Hillgiant · · Score: 1
    Alterslash.org

    It (fairly reliably) sifts out the good 10% (or at least the top 5).

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  120. Blah, blah,blah. Blah. by jotaeleemeese · · Score: 1

    I have worked in many countries, in different continents (more than a couple of days, mind you) and never ever in all my years had worked more than 7 or 8 hours a day regularly. I also visited many offices (US included) and while there was the typical workaholic plenty of people left the office at 17:00 or 18:00 sharp every day.

    There is the odd day everything goes bananas, but that is a very rare exception, not the rule.

    If you are not able to put limits and to enter into a fair relationship with your employer, don't blame the world economy, blame is closer to home. No, actually it lives with you. Stop feeding it.

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  121. Not to mention the BAD old stuff...! by grikdog · · Score: 1

    I was struck by Terrence Sejnowski's observation that cortical neurons (in humans) are "more capable" than we ever thought, an observation drawn from fly neurons orders of magnitude less numerous than ours, yet just as able for their assigned tasks.

    If we've learned anything from computers, it's that B. F. Skinner's reflexology is not only bunk, but trivial, uninteresting bunk. Look what a dragonfly, e.g., does: Its "brain" is in its eyes, and scarcely anywhere else, and yet it can patrol an area larger than Kansas City (relative to itself), seek, acquire and target an object which is taking evasive action, pursue and kill (or pursue and mate with) it, eat, seek a reed tip to refuel, clean and maintain itself, then relaunch and do the same thing again, exceeding Department of Defense mean times to failure by a factor of ten or a hundred thousands. Also, a dragonfly can compensate for external conditions -- a barn swallow attack, e.g. -- without ever being programmed for it. Dragonflies were shaped by 300 million years of evolution to fill a particular niche, and anyone who comments blithely about "instinct" is simply not aware of what the beastie is doing.

    When it comes to Skinner and his pigeon boxes, the best that can be said is that the man achieved tenure in his milieau with a laughably inappropriate and minimalist appreciation of reality. Bad old stuff sucks, for sure. The best of the oldschool behaviorists, such as Karl von Frisch and Konrad Lorenz, were at least looking in the right direction.

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  122. Don't be so crass just to make a point. by spun · · Score: 1

    Where did you see anything about a clergyman or a bureaucrat? Marriage is a ceremony where you and a partner confirm and celebrate your love, possibly in front of friends. If a clergyman was involved, that was a personal choice to put the celebration in a religious context. No one said the clergyman was there to sanctify their togetherness, if he was there it was because the two people involved already have religious feelings and likely most of their friends and family do too. If this was a state sanctified marriage, more than likely the bureaucrat was there to sanctify the tax write off, not their love.

    In short, you are trying to make some silly point about individualism by pissing all over something that obviously made this guy happy. That's a really crass and disrespectful thing to do.

    By the way, are you single?

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    1. Re:Don't be so crass just to make a point. by SeaFox · · Score: 1

      Where did you see anything about a clergyman or a bureaucrat? Marriage is a ceremony where you and a partner confirm and celebrate your love, possibly in front of friends.

      The accepted definition of "getting married" in western society involves a marriage license and the two parties entering what is essentially a legal agreement. It's a little more than just two people exchanging vows. Otherwise I would ask what the difference is in their relationship before and after they got married.


      In short, you are trying to make some silly point about individualism by pissing all over something that obviously made this guy happy.

      No, actually I was playing along with the "and how is this a change of mind?" joke queue, and pointing out the absurdity that the institute of marriage has become when so many people rush into something they are rarely that committed too, and are then forced to go to great effort and expense to get out of. When half of all marriages end in divorce, and no-fault divorce being a ready route, it makes the whole notion of being married, and the commitment it was meant to imply, rather watered down. The question is why third parties are needed to pass judgment on personal feelings.


      That's a really crass and disrespectful thing to do.

      Your opinion is noted.


      By the way, are you single?

      Yes. Not that I see it as having any bearing on this. I do know a few people who are/were involved in unhealthy marriages, and are seemingly stuck in them for one reason or another. I can't help but note how much easier they could escape if they hadn't set everything into a government and traditional foundation that locks you into the relationship.
  123. Re:What did I change my mind on? by Wordsmith · · Score: 1

    Traditions die off all the time. Sometimes, there's really a loss; sometimes nostalgia just makes it feel as though there is. But that's life. Society doesn't stand still - it never has, and never will.

  124. American Dream? Give me a brake. by jotaeleemeese · · Score: 1

    Jobs are an economic commodity, not the base of dreamy prospectus about how life should be.

    You ignore that at your own peril.

    In any case, what you describe as thee American Dream was built in ferocious militarism and enforced economic inequality.

    It could not last and in general terms the ending of it will be seen as a good riddance, even by US historians in the future (honestly pal, do you think it is ethical that every time you have nothing to do with your military industry you go and kill hundreds of thousands of people so you can enjoy an unsustainable level of comfort?)

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  125. Bullshit.. by jotaeleemeese · · Score: 1

    Many people in rich countries do not know what poverty is, even people considered poor there.

    I will tell you what it is: having to bury you mother in a communal grave because you don't have money.

    Think about that before repeating such idiotic asseverations.

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    1. Re:Bullshit.. by phantomcircuit · · Score: 1

      My point is not that there are no poor people, on the contrary I am saying that there are many more people in the poor class than those who are below the poverty line.

      My point is that the difference between the rich and the poor is to great that the middle class is not in the middle. They are truly the well off poor.

      I do not mean to belittle the struggles that poor people go though. I merely am pointing out that the difference between the middle class and the poor is substantially smaller than the difference between the middle class and the rich.

  126. I changed my mind about Social News/Digg by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I used to think Digg was a good resource for technology news or to get a pulse on what's going on in geekdom. My opinion has changed as of 2007.

    Digg swithed from being technical news, to general news. Unfortunately, it might as well just have switched from a Technology site to a Politics site.

    The more sensational the story, the more popular. Accuracy holds a distant fourth behind: How bad it makes readers chosen social opponents look or how funny the article is.

    Attempts to "filter out" politics from Digg (and other social news sites) are futile because the zealots will intentionally mis-categorize stories to screw those who filter. The likelihood of an article being buried due to the submitter using the wrong category decreases significantly if the article a video of some entertainer saying something negative about President Bush or Ann Coulter. Opinions of these characters aside, BUCK FUSH OMGLOL stories are getting old. And who the hell cares about Ann Coulter? She's a worthless nobody who wrote a few books consisting mostly of angry-at-lefty slime.

    Digg/social news sites carry articles that skew toward one of the following: College Students (18-24) and their oh-so-important opinions about *everything*, fanboys of Apple, or Gaming Console X, Conspiracy nuts, Gossip addicts, or people who think they can make lots of money if they just get their blog on the front page. There are very few sites that I actually feel dumber after having visited their "comments" section. There's a whole World Wide Web out there and these are the top 10 stories of the day?!.

    Finally, I'm really tired of the icon trash. Every article on the web looks like it crapped 35 small square pictures just after it was done being written. Do we, as users, need the opportunity to opine on everything we read to 35 different sites? Lets get some more sites. Hell, screw the article, just put up a bunch of pages with little square icons. I don't want to Digg, Slash, StumbleUpon, Netscape, or Delic.io.us it. I want to read it. It's nitpicking, but it really is distracting.

    Maybe there's a Social News site out there that doesn't fall prey to these 5 items, but I've yet to see it.

  127. 2007 was my first full year as an atheist. I had been Christian for 25 years.

  128. Re:Environmentalist and VideoGame Nuts and Linux F by oldhack · · Score: 1

    4. Slashdot is moderated largely by hypocritical children who will mod up popular opinion and mod down unpopular posts regardless of accuracy. I predict the slow demise of Slashdot as the comments area, a once fertile land of discussion and intelligent observation becomes a members only arena linux/mac fanboys and video gamers who can't envision anyone else's opinion being right other than theirs. It will be a place where where speaking ill of religion, republicans or windows will be given an automatic +2 informative while speaking ill social web sites, video games, or modding practices will be an auto -2 troll.
    I actually think the comments have gotten better and reflect the widening of the reader base. Seems there are more people from different fields (lawyers, doctors, scientists of various sorts, Starbuck's "barista" (sp?), basement dwellers) than just buncha sysadmins and programmers. As for biases, it's been always like that from what I can remember. If you were to comment arguing for unpopular opinion, but do it with some intelligence, you may even win a convert or two. Like this: Larry Wall ate too much acid - witness the Perl the burnout.
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  129. Mod parent up, used "effect" as a verb correctly! by adavies42 · · Score: 1

    To affect is to effect an effect.

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  130. dark, but accurate by mckwant · · Score: 1

    For me, two things died over the last couple of years:

    1) The ability to agree to disagree. You can't discuss politics in a group of anything but your closest friends. Not only is $MYSIDE correct, it's the only one that makes any sense whatsoever. Dissenting opinions need not apply. That's not healthy.

    2) Any faith that the government, at any level, can do anything effectively. Katrina wasn't just a Federal failure, and one can argue there are even worse issues looming (mortgage bailout is S&Ls all over again, horrible problems in public schools and services, overweighted health insurance, I can keep going).

    I think Zappa said that "government is the entertainment division of big business." It's beyond me how anybody can continue to believe the government is capable of anything beyond further screwing things up.

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  131. Are you serious? by tacokill · · Score: 1

    You link to a BBC article about "possible" mass famine on a world-wide scale....and then suggest the US would be susceptible to somekind of famine?

    I have to ask: are you serious?

    Say what you want about Ron Paul but your statement can't stand. The US - with all of those middle states (great for ag, btw) - and you insinuate we are going to starve to death? Seriously. There is almost zero chance of that happening. Why? I am glad you asked. ;)

    If there is one thing the US has plenty of - it's farmland. Land to grow things on. Land that, right now, the government pays you NOT to farm. Yes, you read that correctly...the US government still has the CRP Program And it's not some small program. Each state has their own version but the premise is basically the same: govt pays you not to farm your land. We have this program for a lot of different reasons but that's not the point. The point is, if you opened up the spigots and started growing as much as you could, we'd be up to our eyeballs in food. There is that much land in the USA. The question is: will you have a society in place that can deliver it to people?

    Methinks you also need to read some US History and understand one of the things we've always been great at: Agriculture. Ever hear of John Deere? Or George Archer and John Daniels (Archer-Daniels Midland)? How about Texas Agriculture and Mechanical University (TX A&M)? The US are experts at producing food. We will be the last ones to starve in a worldwide famine of anykind.

  132. Re:What did I change my mind on? by DoctorFrog · · Score: 1

    I am lving in a foreign Asian country.
    All Asian countries are foreign... unless, of course, you're living in one.

  133. Ted Stevens by volpe · · Score: 2, Interesting

    It feels like there's nothing we can do to stop idiots like Ted Stevens from getting elected.

    Did I miss something about Stevens? Did he say something outrageous like like propose logging every packet in order to help fight terrorism? I mean, it can't just be the "series of tubes" thing, right? Look, I like Jon Stewart as much as the next guy, probably more so, but continuing to make fun of him like that just seems to make it apparent that there really wasn't all that much to make fun of. I mean, the guy uses a perfectly reasonable analogy to convey the point that the Internet itself is merely a conduit of information, and is not responsible for the "dump-trucks" full of crap that are congesting it, and all of a sudden he becomes the poster-boy for elderly computer illiteracy? I don't get it.

    Does anyone here really think Stevens was under the mistaken impression that the Internet is physically implmemented in the form of hollow cylindrical tubes through which we push little capsules containing IP packets written on paper, like at the drive-thru teller at the bank? Can I get a show of hands? Anybody?

    Please, please, please tell me it's not just the tubes thing.

  134. MOD PARENT UP by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It's partly a waste of time, because even if the creationist idiot reads it he won't understand, but it's worth saying for the sake of the people who are still learning their 8th grade science and are still on the fence.

    Worth saying again and again and again, unfortunately.
    And again.