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I think this article is basically ZDNet trolling again. After all, the more "controversial" the article, the more hits they get = more ad revenue.

So today's developers will use one of three languages: Java, C# or VB.Net.

Strange, a lot of projects I'm familiar with don't use any one of those languages. I think it depends who you talk to.

I think the author believes in two common fallacies:

1. C++ has some plus signs after it, so it must be a replacement for C
2. All problems in systems programming are trivial and have already been solved, and will never need solved again, so there's no need for really low-level languages.

I'm sure the argument is a lot more valid for big corporations, but they've always been bastions of VB and "4GL's" (even when 4GL was just a marketing term). Basically, /. has been trolled again.

Below are four links - three are of interest to most people here, one probably is not. Try going through the list and ONLY following the links you like (repeat until you can do it almost every time), have fun!

1. Slashdot
2. [H]ard|OCP
3. G0atse Guy
4. Kernel.org

How did you do? Just keep practicing with this list, and you'll be able to enjoy slashdot to the fullest in no time at all!

I'm not compiling until this patch is available for 2.4.18. It combines Ingo's O(1) scheduler with RML's preemptible kernel code patch.

IT'S CALLED KNOWLEDGE. It's nice to be able to read a quick reply that tells me w/o going to an archive whether or not I am going to use the kernel on the servers. Especially when the following link is omitted from the article.

Kernel 2.4.18 Changlog

It'd be nice if they linked to the actual patch instead of some massive CGI output...

Look here for a pre-emptible kernel patch which works with ingo's O(1). Read it's name, act appropriately.

Wrong!

From the ChangleLog

Supported arches on 2.4: ARM, i386, and SH
Supported arches on 2.5: i386 and SPARC64

I wondered too (I also have a 7200), and found this answer in the changelog:

<rml@tech9.net>:
[PATCH] Re: [PATCH] Preemptible Kernel for 2.5

On Sat, 2002-02-09...<snip>

Again, this is a minimal i386-only patch. I have other arches, documentation, etc. Patch against 2.5.4-pre5. Enjoy,

Robert Love

Robert Love has another patch that I'm hoping to see make it into the kernel. For systems in headless situations with large entropy reqs, this is pretty much make or break.

http://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/people/rml/ netdev-random/README-netdev-random

describes what it is all about

For one, the new model includes some features that Linux/UNIX don't readily support - and has some features that are very interesting. Basically, the ACL's are still around - which is nice and all. But most interestingly applications are run with permissions - and not just in the sense of the running as a user. Specific fine-grained controls are possible (though I am unclear as to if they are currently implemented.. I haven't found them yet!) that detail which resources the application has permissions to access - regardless of user context.

This is not quite correct. See for instance here or look up capabilites and unix and posix in google (you may have to search a bit). Or surf here to learn that linux also has capabilities. This is also NAMI (not a microsoft innovation).

I suggest the Feds put the database on Oracle running on a Beowulf cluster of Linux machines, running the newest kernel.

Then Slashdot would LOVE it.

;)

• 7 go to the internet looking. (3 go to a commercial source)
• Of those 7...
  • 2 find what they need the first time. Their money is *poof* gone. They've made the move. They'll do this again.
  • 2 find what they need, but it doesn't work quite right. They want free so badly, they'll screw with it till it works.
  • 1 finds something close, but it doesn't quite work. This one hires a consultant to tell them how to do it... they'd rather pay a human than buy software.
  • 2 don't find it, and buy software.

mirrors.kernel.org isn't the mirror page. It's a list of other sites mirrored by kernel.org. The correct URL is http://www.kernel.org/mirrors.

• Please, people, use the mirrors! It's only polite, don't /. the main server! (+5 Informative)
  
• Please, people, download patches to save bandwidth! I'm so smart and cool! (+5 Informative)
  
• Please, people, don't use developmental kernels in production environments. These are only for testing! (+5 Interesting)
  
• Since when is /. about software updates? That's what freshmeat is for! I hate slashdot! (+5 Insightful)
  
• You assholes that complain about software update stories on /. piss me off. DON'T CLICK ON THE FUCKING LINK, AND DON'T POST TO THE DISCUSSION! (+5 Insightful)
  

Note:

mirrors.kernel.org is NOT the list of mirrors of the kernel, it's the list of mirrors of other sites.

For the kernel, you want www.kernel.org/mirrors/ to find your local mirror of kernel.org (which is usually www.COUNTRYCODE.kernel.org).

Note:

mirrors.kernel.org is NOT the list of mirrors of the kernel, it's the list of mirrors of other sites.

For the kernel, you want www.kernel.org/mirrors/ to find your local mirror of kernel.org (which is usually www.COUNTRYCODE.kernel.org).

Yeah, but not the list of sites that kernel.org mirrors themselves as they currently are.

http://kernel.org/mirrors/

Yeah, but not the list of sites that kernel.org mirrors themselves as they currently are.

http://kernel.org/mirrors/

I think it was somewhere in the list of patches from the -mjc tree (see here) that there was a patch for the entire kernel for linux. Basically it let the system save it's state, and then restore it if it detects that it was shut down at that point. I'm not sure if this is what you want (and I couldn't get it working), but it's certainly a step in the right direction to what you're looking for.

Just found it here, it's the 'swsusp' patch.

Apparently, if you'd believe the Linux community, you'd be hard-pressed upon where to place the blame. You see, the Linuxist Manifesto's number one rule is to lie to protect the best interests of Linux. No self-respectable Linux zealot would insult or place blame upon AMD, because AMD's philosophy centers around tackling American Corporations with their Asian sweatshops, selling their chips at bargain-basement prices like the Red Menace Commies do with their Wal-Mart shit.

So, right about now, you're probably thinking that the zealots are clearly in a dilemma. Who are they going to blame? If you have a prediction before I tell you, the poll is on the right. Or maybe the left. Either way, take your pick.

You'd think that the parasitic community would place blame upon Microsoft, right? Alas, Microsoft has had the bug patched since September 2000. Not only that, Windows XP , the latest in the suite of high-powered, stable operating systems from Microsoft Corp., has this patch built in. That's right, built in. Keep in mind that Windows XP was released in October 2001, over three months ago. Meanwhile, no one knows what the hell Alan Cocks has been doing since then, since he hides under the cloak of secrecy. nVidia has been informing users via tech support, even to the Linux community, how to fix the problem for months now. Clearly the blame is upon Alan Cocks's shoulder, but to place the blame where it is rightfully justified is inexcusable in the Linux community. The drones are in disarray.

The actual bug occurs when Linux users contract the Tux Racer virus via KEmail. When first run, Tux Racer enables a feature in your third-world sweatshop AMD processor called "extended paging." Now, I know you're probably thinking that this sounds like some sort of Nokia feature. Well, you're wrong. It's yet another feature that AMD illegally hacked from Intel. It allows your browser to seamlessly view pages up to 4Mb in size. Before its introduction in the early days of the Intel Pentium processor, web pages were broken up into 4K segments, because any pages larger would freeze the computer. That's why Microsoft didn't invent Javascript until after the Pentium, every time they went to use it, their pages exceeded 4K, and henceforth froze the computer. Intel came to the rescue with the Pentium line of chips, and, as usual, AMD got out their super high tech Asian hacking tools and "reverse-engineered" (code-name for 'illegally hacked') Intel's technology. Thus, users of the inferior AMD Cyrix Kx86-2 Now! processor could also view large web pages without crashing. So why did no one notice that pages larger than 4K would crash AMD processors? Well, Microsoft has had a fix for 16 months, like we mentioned earlier. But why did no one from the Linux community notice? Well, apparently, there does not exist a page devoted to Linux that is more than 4K in size. Since most of the Linux installations out there denounce color as 'feature bloat,' all Linux pages follow an unwritten oath to suck. Believe me, they all do.

So, for the good of Linux, you may now disperse. Head off to various tech sites and continue blaming Microsoft for not telling you sooner. Your community will thank you.

Apparently, if you'd believe the Linux community, you'd be hard-pressed upon where to place the blame. You see, the Linuxist Manifesto's number one rule is to lie to protect the best interests of Linux. No self-respectable Linux zealot would insult or place blame upon AMD, because AMD's philosophy centers around tackling American Corporations with their Asian sweatshops, selling their chips at bargain-basement prices like the Red Menace Commies do with their Wal-Mart shit.

So, right about now, you're probably thinking that the zealots are clearly in a dilemma. Who are they going to blame? If you have a prediction before I tell you, the poll is on the right. Or maybe the left. Either way, take your pick.

You'd think that the parasitic community would place blame upon Microsoft, right? Alas, Microsoft has had the bug patched since September 2000. Not only that, Windows XP , the latest in the suite of high-powered, stable operating systems from Microsoft Corp., has this patch built in. That's right, built in. Keep in mind that Windows XP was released in October 2001, over three months ago. Meanwhile, no one knows what the hell Alan Cocks has been doing since then, since he hides under the cloak of secrecy. nVidia has been informing users via tech support, even to the Linux community, how to fix the problem for months now. Clearly the blame is upon Alan Cocks's shoulder, but to place the blame where it is rightfully justified is inexcusable in the Linux community. The drones are in disarray.

The actual bug occurs when Linux users contract the Tux Racer virus via KEmail. When first run, Tux Racer enables a feature in your third-world sweatshop AMD processor called "extended paging." Now, I know you're probably thinking that this sounds like some sort of Nokia feature. Well, you're wrong. It's yet another feature that AMD illegally hacked from Intel. It allows your browser to seamlessly view pages up to 4Mb in size. Before its introduction in the early days of the Intel Pentium processor, web pages were broken up into 4K segments, because any pages larger would freeze the computer. That's why Microsoft didn't invent Javascript until after the Pentium, every time they went to use it, their pages exceeded 4K, and henceforth froze the computer. Intel came to the rescue with the Pentium line of chips, and, as usual, AMD got out their super high tech Asian hacking tools and "reverse-engineered" (code-name for 'illegally hacked') Intel's technology. Thus, users of the inferior AMD Cyrix Kx86-2 Now! processor could also view large web pages without crashing. So why did no one notice that pages larger than 4K would crash AMD processors? Well, Microsoft has had a fix for 16 months, like we mentioned earlier. But why did no one from the Linux community notice? Well, apparently, there does not exist a page devoted to Linux that is more than 4K in size. Since most of the Linux installations out there denounce color as 'feature bloat,' all Linux pages follow an unwritten oath to suck. Believe me, they all do.

So, for the good of Linux, you may now disperse. Head off to various tech sites and continue blaming Microsoft for not telling you sooner. Your community will thank you.

well, they do have massive filesystem corruption bugs.

no, wait- the stable series has that as well.

US mirror of kernel.org

Unfortunatly (as of 2:00 pm EST), it's seemed that kernel.org has been dead most of the day.

:-(

First stop for a total newbie is download an early kernel (try 0.01!): _much_ less intimidating than the current monster. This should help start you in the right direction. KernelNewbies channel and site are both useful

If you go over to kernel.org, and browse through their repository here you will notice they are working on the 2.2.21 kernel. And in pre-1, the First thing they fixed: o Fix alpha build (Kim Heino) Could go get pre-2 and use it on your systems.

I don't think it's in the kernel

According to the change log ingo's scheduler changes _are_ integrated.

my operating system's been releasing patches about once a month since i started using it, and it doesn't look like they're about to stop!

There's ever-increasing evidence that linux is not an OS, but a virus! They even say so on kernel.org!

A number of people have written us reporting that (...) the Linux kernel tar file contains a virus.

Boy, am I glad I only use Microsoft software!

Well, by that reasoning: closed-source programs don't incorporate GPL'd shared libraries (like libc), they just talk to it.

For one thing, libc is Lesser GPL'd. For another, the Linux kernel is under a license similar to that of Guile: GPL with specific exceptions.

NOTE! This copyright does *not* cover user programs that use kernel services by normal system calls - this is merely considered normal use of the kernel, and does *not* fall under the heading of "derived work". Also note that the GPL below is copyrighted by the Free Software Foundation, but the instance of code that it refers to (the linux kernel) is copyrighted by me and others who actually wrote it.

Linus Torvalds

Cool!

Quakeforge, a project improving the original quake, already has the quake2 source in CVS.. you can find them in #quakeforge on OPN.

I did some work on quakeforge a while back, did some cool things.. but I've moved on, however.. myself and others have come back, although I may or may not make any changes.. as I am busy with some other small project at the moment.

Alan's changelogs of the -ac kernel tree have always been quite detailed. But Linus' changelogs were really bad. A lot of code that came from Alan's tree only had changelog entries like "merge with Alan".

Don't forget to use the mirrors.

Actually, there is a final 2.4.17 patch, but it's not on the page linked to. Go to
http://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/people/rm l/ preempt-kernel/v2.4/ and grab it from there (or use a mirror).

-Todd

There's this great game, let me run down how it works.

I run make menuconfig.
I run makedep, make modules, make modules_install, make bzImage.
I copy the image into /boot
I boot.
I swear
Then repeat.

I do so untill my usb cd burner has support, along with everything else. It's great enjoyment for all, and I learn something new as a result. Here's where you can download the game kernel.org

It's easy to play the devil's advocate, but I think there's more poewr for enthusiasm than downplaying here.

The harder half is 6 or 12 videoprojectors (or more!), the mirrors and the (back) projection surfaces for the CAVE. Add in the tracking hardware (cost and complexity (ie EM interference))

Their source is GPL'd; it could be modified to use standard or flat monitors in a downsized setting.

you'll still need a team of grad students, builders and time.

Same goes for developing operating systems.

How many /. readers are grad students and builders, I leave as an exercise for the reader to wonder.

you need a *big* room for one of these

Unless you downsize it. How many of us have spare space for wondrous technical projects...

The electronic (wall)paper is being developed at least by IBM and, err, was it HP (my memory fails me here and I'm too lazy to check /.'s comprehensive archives on all the stories of this subject). Say it will hit market 5 yrs from now; you'd still have 5 years to make a product out of this to get it to market by my wildly suggested deadline of ten yrs from now.

All that is needed for this breakthrough is all that work to create the usable content, just like DVD's need movies to sell.

I am sure some of us are willing to put together the effort in small groups of friends interested in this achievement. Just for the fun of it!

Folks, the kernel mirrors are not at mirrors.kernel.org.

The proper site for mirrors of the Linux Kernel is here.

Here's a quick link to those of you looking for US-based mirrors.

-dan
into unix and punk? check out unixpunx.org

Folks, the kernel mirrors are not at mirrors.kernel.org.

The proper site for mirrors of the Linux Kernel is here.

Here's a quick link to those of you looking for US-based mirrors.

-dan
into unix and punk? check out unixpunx.org

It's there, all right (not 0.02, but 0.01, 0.11, 0.12, and many 0.9x releases, in various subdirectories): http://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/Historic/

here, looks like the oldest available is 0.10

Don't you get it? They're afraid because these pirate-types are now paying the same amount for Windows XP as they are for that joint finnish/british operation to take over the world. And as with everything else, the worth of software *must* be measured by the amount you pay for it.

Only in 2.4.15pre1aa1: 10_vm-13

Latest vm updates. Most important if we take a swapin on
an exclusive swap cache that is getting swapped out (so
locked) we don't need to lock_page or to do_wp_page, we
can takeover the swapcache despite it's locked, if it's
exclusive. This is possible because we can learn if it's exlcusive
without the need of taking the page lock thanks to latest Linus's saner
locking recent changes. So this update still delivers non blocking minor
swapin faults, _but_ without wasteful cows.

Wow.. ya know, it's just a shame I run Linux[debian] and spend my time kernel hacking[ko]. I could be playing lots of Windows games. They have such neat features, like accelerated T+L, patches for bugs once every 2 hours, delayed release dates, MMORPGs that act like giant Troll-o-matics[eq], massive resource requirements, memory leaks, and - you guessed it - pathetic sequels... I don't know what's wrong with the Linux gaming scene nowadays... You just can't seem to get that same good old homegrown unreliability and monthly credit expenses. I'm green... no no, I forgot, the SOD is blue... with envy

The reason Redhat is using ext3 as its new default FS is simple, there is no valid alternative. Ext3 is the *only* new Linux FS which is included in the newest kernel release, it is mature and fully tested. There however are alternatives on the way. Such as XFS and ReiserFS.

The reason Redhat is using ext3 as its new default FS is simple, there is no valid alternative. Ext3 is the *only* new Linux FS which is included in the newest kernel release, it is mature and fully tested. There however are alternatives on the way. Such as XFS and ReiserFS.

Simple, Download yourself a decent Linux distribution or maybe one for beginners and start using a stable system for a change.

I started poking around, and at http://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/crypto/v2.4 /README.WARNING there was a url listed for "more recent patches. Going there revealed stuff for 2.4.6, 2.4.8, 2.4.10. 2.4.15, and 2.5.0... I plan to check it out myself when I get some free time.

I started poking around, and at http://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/crypto/v2.4 /README.WARNING there was a url listed for "more recent patches. Going there revealed stuff for 2.4.6, 2.4.8, 2.4.10. 2.4.15, and 2.5.0... I plan to check it out myself when I get some free time.