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  1. Cool! by proxima · · Score: 1 · on Ladies And Gentlemen, Linux 2.4

    I write this about an hour and a half after Linus wrote his letter. To my slight dissapointment I couldn't easily find new news stories about it to post. However, I was pleased to find out that kernel.org was updated. Not surprisingly their FTP and HTTP servers are running a bit slow, but here are direct links nonetheless - HTTP, and FTP

    I'd like to congratulate everyone who worked on this kernel, by coding, testing or otherwise. I look forward to using it.

  2. Cool! by proxima · · Score: 1 · on Ladies And Gentlemen, Linux 2.4

    I write this about an hour and a half after Linus wrote his letter. To my slight dissapointment I couldn't easily find new news stories about it to post. However, I was pleased to find out that kernel.org was updated. Not surprisingly their FTP and HTTP servers are running a bit slow, but here are direct links nonetheless - HTTP, and FTP

    I'd like to congratulate everyone who worked on this kernel, by coding, testing or otherwise. I look forward to using it.

  3. Cool! by proxima · · Score: 1 · on Ladies And Gentlemen, Linux 2.4

    I write this about an hour and a half after Linus wrote his letter. To my slight dissapointment I couldn't easily find new news stories about it to post. However, I was pleased to find out that kernel.org was updated. Not surprisingly their FTP and HTTP servers are running a bit slow, but here are direct links nonetheless - HTTP, and FTP

    I'd like to congratulate everyone who worked on this kernel, by coding, testing or otherwise. I look forward to using it.

  4. Download by MAXOMENOS · · Score: 4 · on Ladies And Gentlemen, Linux 2.4
    Download from here

    You can also find a list of US mirrors here, or search here for mirrors for your country. Last I checked the new kernel hadn't been mirrored yet, FYI.

    ObJectBridge (GPL'd Java ODMG) needs volunteers.

  5. Download by MAXOMENOS · · Score: 4 · on Ladies And Gentlemen, Linux 2.4
    Download from here

    You can also find a list of US mirrors here, or search here for mirrors for your country. Last I checked the new kernel hadn't been mirrored yet, FYI.

    ObJectBridge (GPL'd Java ODMG) needs volunteers.

  6. Download here by DaSyonic · · Score: 4 · on Ladies And Gentlemen, Linux 2.4

    As you may of noticed, there is not a release of it noticable. Its only available right now as a diff in
    ftp://ftp.kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/testing/prer elease-diff
    So as of right now, you need the pre-release source. Hope that helps youll get this new kernel, mine is already compiling - wanted to try and help the world get their's going too Enjoy

  7. Patch location by metaphor · · Score: 2 · on Ladies And Gentlemen, Linux 2.4

    You can download a patch for 2.4.0-prerelease from http://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/testing/pre release-diff.

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  8. The masses have money. by roystgnr · · Score: 5 · on Making Linux Booting Pretty

    Why is everyone so convinced that Linux has to be prettied up, promoted, and made palatable to the masses?

    Because the masses have money. Companies like money. Companies that see the prospect of money in Linux on the desktop are more likely to publish Linux ports of their video games, write Linux drivers for their hardware, and offer Linux-compatible ISP services and online media.

    I like Linux game, Linux drivers, and Linux compatibility. Any more questions?

    There are many more reasons why even the most hardcore, non-gaming, free-software-only Linux user still benefits by "Linux for the masses", though. You may complain that Red Hat is aiming for a Linux distribution a 3 year old can use... but they're not taking away our Perl interpreters and ssh daemons to do it, and eventually that 3 year old may grow up and spend a little time playing around with the compiler himself.

    The other thing that's "vital for desktop acceptance" is an office suite of the caliber of MS Office 2000, which isn't going to happen unless they decide to port it.

    Of course it isn't. Free software developers could never produce any sort of useful desktop software on their own, certainly not any office programs. That stuff is just too complicated for a bunch of hackers. Why, where would they even start?

  9. Wired: The Enquirer for Geeks by iJosh · · Score: 1 · on Linux 2.4 Wins 4th Place ... in Vaporware

    I just think Wired is completely trash, spreading rumors as fact. Might as well change their name to "Weekly World Wired". Anyway, below is the mail I just wrote them after seeing some of the crap in that article.


    Subject: Vaporware 2000: Missing Inaction
    Date: Wed, 27 Dec 2000 13:33:08 -0600
    From: Josh emailaddresschangedtoprotecttheinnocent
    To: newsfeedback@wired.com

    Vapor, perhaps you need to define what you mean as vaporware... two of the "top ten" are in beta release. Linux 2.4 test kernels have been around for at least the last 3-4 months. Several Linux distribution houses have shipped 2.4 test kernels with their latest releases. Heck, if you guys have a linux box sitting around or one of your staff go download one, if not from the distributions website, then from http://www.kernel.org .

    Next is MacOS X, With a few developer previews seeded out, and the public beta that you can order right off of Apple's online store http://store.apple.com yeah I'd call this a vapor, if I were a ghostbuster!

    This is completely what I'd expect from your organization. Completely baseless information. Loved that cover of the Apple logo bound with barbed wire, predicting the downfall of Apple computer how long has that been? Wired, the supermarket trash news magazine for geeks!

    Don't take my word for it, get a book, check it out.

  10. Quote and answer by MAXOMENOS · · Score: 2 · on Linux 2.4 Wins 4th Place ... in Vaporware
    "The biggest Vaporware of 2000 has to be the 2.4 kernel," wrote Shawn Wallbridge. "As much as I like Linux, they have been saying 'soon, soon' for a really long time." "Where is it?" asked Niels Hansen.

    Well, did you try looking here?

    Sheesh.



    ObJectBridge (GPL'd Java ODMG) needs volunteers.
  11. Re:Prefer something that works the first time by edgrale · · Score: 2 · on Linux 2.4 Wins 4th Place ... in Vaporware

    "One list of 2.4 issues is available here, for the curious."

    Please note, that list was: "Last modified: [tytso:20001112.1433EST]" (test11pre3) which is out of date, big time.
    For a list of changes since then, check the Changelog-test11 for test11, Changelog-test12 for test12 and Changelog-test13 for test13


    Linux - Vaporware as it's finest ;-)

  12. Re:Prefer something that works the first time by edgrale · · Score: 2 · on Linux 2.4 Wins 4th Place ... in Vaporware

    "One list of 2.4 issues is available here, for the curious."

    Please note, that list was: "Last modified: [tytso:20001112.1433EST]" (test11pre3) which is out of date, big time.
    For a list of changes since then, check the Changelog-test11 for test11, Changelog-test12 for test12 and Changelog-test13 for test13


    Linux - Vaporware as it's finest ;-)

  13. Re:Prefer something that works the first time by edgrale · · Score: 2 · on Linux 2.4 Wins 4th Place ... in Vaporware

    "One list of 2.4 issues is available here, for the curious."

    Please note, that list was: "Last modified: [tytso:20001112.1433EST]" (test11pre3) which is out of date, big time.
    For a list of changes since then, check the Changelog-test11 for test11, Changelog-test12 for test12 and Changelog-test13 for test13


    Linux - Vaporware as it's finest ;-)

  14. Linux 2.2.18 rocks ! by mirko · · Score: 2 · on Didn't Get That Linux Laptop for Xmas?

    > My wish is that power management under Linux
    > would be fully supported.
    > Getting four hours battery life under Windows
    > and two hours under Linux is disappointing.
    I use a Gericom Overdose 2 laptop and I had 3 hours with Linux, BeOS 4, Win2k and Win98.
    I therefore have to say I had a wonderful surprise when I switched between kernel 2.2.17 to 2.2.18.
    This is more a matter of stability (no more crash during blanking) than of durability.
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  15. Re:Why not Open Source AmigaOS? by cezarg · · Score: 1 · on AmigaOS 3.9 Released At World of Amiga Show

    This mantra is really beginning to get on my nerves. The in-house software written by the majority of "software developers" is usually boring crap (database front ends et al.). The coolest jobs are ususally in the consumer market writing fun stuff such as OSes and web browsers. If companies like Opera, Be Inc or Amiga go out of business the only jobs left will be in doing frigging servlets for some deluded moron who's trying to cash in on the "New Economy". Then we'll be able to go home and with whatever little time we've left after 14hr shifts we'll have the dubious pleasure of coding unusable apps for a mediocre unix clone which has nothing going for it apart from being politically correct in the eyes of a handful of commie zealots. Get lost.

  16. Re:Wow - I'm quick by Alan · · Score: 1 · on Linux 2.2.18 Released

    Agreed, I have my servers chugging on the compile now..... Thank you for a canadian mirror :)

  17. (OT)Cuter link. by yerricde · · Score: 1 · on Linux 2.2.18 Released

    'mirrors' points right to www.kernel.org!

    That's because Kernel.org is the Linux kernel mirror system.

    Now, for a cute link, try here. Or here. (Ness looks so precious.) Or here.

    (it's a lot cuter than goatse.cx...)
  18. Is Napster's "centralized" model really that bad? by yerricde · · Score: 3 · on New P2P tool Using... IRC? [UPDATED]

    "Unlike Napster, which is becoming subscription-based, Scour, which has succumbed to legal pressures, and Gnutella, which suffers from scalability issues, BitHive relies on no central servers or corporations to run."

    Neither does Napster. With Napigator, users can connect to OpenNap directory servers and share their files without needing some big corporation's help (unless you count VA Linux's SourceForge, which hosts the OpenNap website). And this To demonstrate the legitimacy of OpenNap, simply make a Linux kernel tarball available on one of the servers, and run an OpenNap segment on your local network to ease the bandwidth problem. With that kind of cred[?], RIAA won't be able to touch it.

  19. Re:Just get 2.2.18 by Majix · · Score: 5 · on Most Linux Distros Won't Run on Pentium 4

    P4 owners only need to download 2.2.18 which should be out any day now

    ... and mere moments after posting, Linux 2.2.18 was released :)

  20. PIV CPUID was fixed in 2.2.18pre20 by gordzilla · · Score: 3 · on Most Linux Distros Won't Run on Pentium 4

    Just browsing the 2.2.18 kernel changes log and came accross this: 2.2.18pre20 o Report PIV in proc as family 15 and uname as model 6 as discussed Check it out here

  21. Napster centralized? Yes and no. by yerricde · · Score: 2 · on The Fight For End-To-End: Part One

    Every user on the Napster Network connects to the same central server. However, there are other central servers that run the Napster protocol (and allow formats other than MPEG Layer 3 Audio; use it for mirroring the Linux kernel tarballs?), and you can run your own on a nix box or winbox. The lawyers may shut the lawyers shut the Napster Network down, but the success of one big red H shows that the game of whack-a-mole is a surprisingly weak form of resistance. Resistance is futile.

  22. Re:original Unix by Mr.+Piccolo · · Score: 2 · on Surround Sound Quickies

    Bogus.

    You can download Linux v0.01 here.

    You can still download Unix V5, V6, and V7, along with a PDP-11 simulator to run them on, here. Hope you know ed though...

    And who would WANT to run anything else on that page anyway? Never mind the legality of it all.

  23. I guess we're moving to space... by the+real+jeezus · · Score: 1 · on On Asteroid Mining

    This planet's already been fscked up as a result of our last century of spiting it.

    So now we can mine asteroids and it's too expensive to bring the goodies back to Terra. Next logical extension, let's move to space.

    We can do all the dirty work there in the giant vacuum, and let the ecosystems of Terra begin to heal. Maybe we'll learn some respect for life in the thousands of years we'll have to spend in exile...

    We'll have to be careful with asteroid mining though, changing the mass and trajectory of objects in such a wonderfully stable orbital system. If we use an unstable O/S, we might end up crashing Terra into Io or something worse. Keep working on that kernel!



    In 1999, marijuana killed 0 Americans...

  24. LS120 anyone? by Eg0r · · Score: 3 · on Alternatives To The Floppy Disk?
    Check it out. It's an IDE floppy that holds 120Mb per media AND reads normal floppies at the same time. Also, it reads its media 5x as fast as a normal floppy

    Sony have a similar product, HiFD. Apparently it's faster than LS120, holds 200Mb and of course, is not compatible.

    While the LS120 is slower than a zip, it's main advantage is that it completly replaces the floppy drive. Yes you can boot from it on new motherboards, and linux recognises it just fine (/dev/hd ). Also, with syslinux you can boot small distros, such as LRP and get the same advantage as with a normal floppy: You can write-protect the media, easily.
    It's just the thing you need for backing-up your data... if it weren't so expensive (both the drive and its media)

    Just on a side note, I've read the new superdisk drives will let you format normal floppies to up to 32Mb, but can't find the reference to this anywhere... any link?

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  25. Moderators! Ease off the crack! by Tim · · Score: 2 · on Excite@Home Claims Broadband 'Safe'

    Who the heck moderated this thing up as Informative? It has one link!! To a well-known OS's website, no less!

    Here, I'll be more informative:

    Linux.com
    Linux Kernel
    Computer Emergency Response Team (CERT)
    Securityfocus.com

    Woo-hoo! Now I'll just kick back, relax, and watch the karma roll in...

  26. Re:A brief summary by Fluffy+the+Cat · · Score: 2 · on Merits Of The Different Journaling Filesystems?

    Yes you can. As pointed out, you can boot ReiserFS as long as your kernel containing partition is mounted with notails, and you can boot off a kernel floppy or with loadlin in any case. EXT3 will work fine - see the documentation. LILO pretty much works by reading a bunch of blocks off the drive and assembling them into a kernel, so is pretty filesystem agnostic providing the filesystem doesn't do strange things like tie together the tails of multiple files into a single block in order to save space (such as ReiserFS, hence the notails option for /boot). I don't know enough about the on-disk layout of JFS or XFS, but personally I'm not inclined to use either of them for my root filesystem yet :)

  27. Inaccuracy in parent comment by lazarusL · · Score: 1 · on FreeBSD 4.1.1 Includes RSA

    Go look at The US-based kernel mirrors and tell us what you see there.

  28. Re:Where exactly does it say it's GPL by RPoet · · Score: 1 · on Possible GPL Violation from Compaq UPDATED

    Try here.
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  29. Re:I'm sure you intended to type . . by Money__ · · Score: 1 · on How Do Linux and Windows 2000 Compare?
    .."The kernel in my system was 2.2.14 (Yes, call me a Linux nerd, I know my kernel version by heart). Sure, Linus has been hinting at a 2.4 kernel, but as far as I've found out, 2.2.16 is the latest stablebuild."

    The latest kernel is 2.4 test7

  30. Re:I'm sure you intended to type . . by Money__ · · Score: 1 · on How Do Linux and Windows 2000 Compare?
    .."The kernel in my system was 2.2.14 (Yes, call me a Linux nerd, I know my kernel version by heart). Sure, Linus has been hinting at a 2.4 kernel, but as far as I've found out, 2.2.16 is the latest stablebuild."

    The latest kernel is 2.4 test7

  31. 2.4 still in development by xdc · · Score: 1 · on Visual Map of Unix history
    Oh, but he's missing kernel 2.4.
    Linux 2.4 was probably not included because a stable version does not yet exist.

    This is a great chart, though. Very interesting.

  32. Re:Wow. I like it... by barracg8 · · Score: 2 · on Visual Map of Unix history
    Pretty, isn't it.
    • It interesting to see how Linux progresses as compared to, say, Irix. Linux progresses, and each branch (from kernel 2.0 to 2.1) is the "new" Linux, with the old branch dying off, while Irix runs in a straight, continuous line.
    It'll be interesting to see how they continue - It looks like chunk by chunk Irix will be opensourced, and absorbed into Linux.

    You have to wonder whether IBM are ultimately planning the same fate for AIX.

    Oh, but he's missing kernel 2.4.

    cheers,
    G

  33. Re:Article was fluff by Frater+219 · · Score: 2 · on A Praise To Unix
    Hmmm.....he claims Linux is the most open project out there. FreeBSD is even more open. I don't have to wait to grab a kernel that Linus/Alan deem worthy of public comsumption.
    On the contrary. The mode by which you access the code (CVS or FTP) does not make the project more or less open. Please feel free to download a development-tree kernel whenever you like. (Note: The link is to the v2.4-test kernels, which are not mirrored on all the kernel mirrors.)
  34. For the link-impoverished: by Chyeburashka · · Score: 4 · on Red Hat 7.0 Beta Is Out
    From the redhat-announce email:

    With the support of volunteers ftp site administrators, Pinstripe is available from several mirrors. The following have complete copies of Pinstripe, please use a mirror close to you:

    North Carolina, USA:
    ftp://metalab. unc.edu/pub/Linux/distributions/redhat/beta/pinstr ipe/
    http://metala b.unc.edu/pub/Linux/distributions/redhat/beta/pins tripe/

    California, USA:
    ftp://ftp.sourc eforge.net/pub/mirrors/redhat/redhat/beta/pinstrip e/
    http://ftp.sou rceforge.net/pub/mirrors/redhat/redhat/beta/pinstr ipe/

    California, USA:
    ftp://ftp.kernel.org /pub/mirrors/redhat/redhat/beta/pinstripe/
    http://www.kernel.o rg/pub/mirrors/redhat/redhat/beta/pinstripe/

    Connecticut, USA:
    ftp://ftp.uselinux.org/pub/redhat /beta/pinstripe/

    Indiana, USA:
    ftp://csociety-ftp.ecn .purdue.edu/pub/redhat/beta/pinstripe/
    http://csociety-ftp.e cn.purdue.edu/pub/redhat/beta/pinstripe/

    Michigan, USA: ftp://mrhankey.bizserve.com/pub/linux/redhat/ftp.r edhat.com/redhat/beta/pinstripe/

    New York, USA: ftp://ftp.ee.cornell.edu/p ub/linux/redhat/beta/pinstripe

    Pennsylvania, USA: ftp ://carroll.cac.psu.edu/pub/linux/distributions/red hat/redhat/beta/pinstripe/

    Pennsylvania, USA: ftp://cronus.res. cmu.edu/pub/linux/ftp.redhat.com/beta/pinstripe/

    Tennessee, USA: ftp://sunsite.utk.edu /pub/linux/redhat/redhat/beta/pinstripe/
    http://sunsite.u tk.edu/ftp/pub/linux/redhat/redhat/beta/pinstripe/

    Australia: ftp://mirror.aarnet.edu.au/pu b/redhat/beta/pinstripe/
    http://mirror.aarnet.edu.au/ pub/redhat/beta/pinstripe/

    Germany: ftp://ftp.gmd.de/mirrors /redhat.com/redhat/beta/pinstripe/

    Germany:
    ftp://ftp.uni-bayreuth.d e/pub/linux/redhat/beta/pinstripe/
    http://ftp.uni-bayreuth .de/pub/linux/redhat/beta/pinstripe/

    Norway: (ISO images only) ftp ://carroll.cac.psu.edu/pub/linux/distributions/red hat/redhat/beta/pinstripe/

    Peru: ftp://sajino.terra.com.p e/pub/linux/redhat/beta/pinstripe/

    Japan: ftp://ftp.kddl abs.co.jp/Linux/packages/RedHat/redhat/beta/pinstr ipe/

  35. For the link-impoverished: by Chyeburashka · · Score: 4 · on Red Hat 7.0 Beta Is Out
    From the redhat-announce email:

    With the support of volunteers ftp site administrators, Pinstripe is available from several mirrors. The following have complete copies of Pinstripe, please use a mirror close to you:

    North Carolina, USA:
    ftp://metalab. unc.edu/pub/Linux/distributions/redhat/beta/pinstr ipe/
    http://metala b.unc.edu/pub/Linux/distributions/redhat/beta/pins tripe/

    California, USA:
    ftp://ftp.sourc eforge.net/pub/mirrors/redhat/redhat/beta/pinstrip e/
    http://ftp.sou rceforge.net/pub/mirrors/redhat/redhat/beta/pinstr ipe/

    California, USA:
    ftp://ftp.kernel.org /pub/mirrors/redhat/redhat/beta/pinstripe/
    http://www.kernel.o rg/pub/mirrors/redhat/redhat/beta/pinstripe/

    Connecticut, USA:
    ftp://ftp.uselinux.org/pub/redhat /beta/pinstripe/

    Indiana, USA:
    ftp://csociety-ftp.ecn .purdue.edu/pub/redhat/beta/pinstripe/
    http://csociety-ftp.e cn.purdue.edu/pub/redhat/beta/pinstripe/

    Michigan, USA: ftp://mrhankey.bizserve.com/pub/linux/redhat/ftp.r edhat.com/redhat/beta/pinstripe/

    New York, USA: ftp://ftp.ee.cornell.edu/p ub/linux/redhat/beta/pinstripe

    Pennsylvania, USA: ftp ://carroll.cac.psu.edu/pub/linux/distributions/red hat/redhat/beta/pinstripe/

    Pennsylvania, USA: ftp://cronus.res. cmu.edu/pub/linux/ftp.redhat.com/beta/pinstripe/

    Tennessee, USA: ftp://sunsite.utk.edu /pub/linux/redhat/redhat/beta/pinstripe/
    http://sunsite.u tk.edu/ftp/pub/linux/redhat/redhat/beta/pinstripe/

    Australia: ftp://mirror.aarnet.edu.au/pu b/redhat/beta/pinstripe/
    http://mirror.aarnet.edu.au/ pub/redhat/beta/pinstripe/

    Germany: ftp://ftp.gmd.de/mirrors /redhat.com/redhat/beta/pinstripe/

    Germany:
    ftp://ftp.uni-bayreuth.d e/pub/linux/redhat/beta/pinstripe/
    http://ftp.uni-bayreuth .de/pub/linux/redhat/beta/pinstripe/

    Norway: (ISO images only) ftp ://carroll.cac.psu.edu/pub/linux/distributions/red hat/redhat/beta/pinstripe/

    Peru: ftp://sajino.terra.com.p e/pub/linux/redhat/beta/pinstripe/

    Japan: ftp://ftp.kddl abs.co.jp/Linux/packages/RedHat/redhat/beta/pinstr ipe/

  36. Re:So Hemos and Kadtz, time to deliver. by Guy+Harris · · Score: 2 · on FreeBSD 4.1 Released
    I believe IP should be free.

    Cool. Here's some free IP, and here's some more free IP, and here's some more free IP.

    This page also lets you get at some free IP, although you have to go to one of the subdirectories, download and unpack the tarball, and get it from the appropriate directory (kernel/net/ipv4).

  37. Re:Some minor problems to look out for... by matthead · · Score: 1 · on 30+ GB Databases On Unix?

    With respect to journalling filesystems...

    At my site, we've been using ext3 on production NFS servers for almost a month now, with no trouble in terms of stability. Disk I/O has suffered a big performance hit (less than 1/2 previous performance), but for the better filesystem reliability, it's worth it.

    The 2GB file size limit is your biggest problem. If you're going to go with Linux for sure, look into DEC- I mean, Compaq- Alpha hardware. It's a 64-bit architecture, so that limit shouldn't exist there. I haven't ever actually used Linux on Alpha though, so I cannot guarantee that.

    As far as the software RAID bit...

    The ext3 patch is against kernel 2.2.17-pre9, so we're sticking with that for now. No development kernels for us, here. Once Steven Tweedie's ported it to a moderately stable 2.4-test, I'll look at giving that a shot. From what I understand NFS performance has increased significantly there. Don't know about RAID. Don't know about databases, either, but if that will put a moderate load on your computer, you ought to look at hardware RAID in any case- you'll get better performance by far, if you take the RAID load off the main CPU.

  38. This may not be so good. by john_boy · · Score: 2 · on nVidia Strikes Deal With Apple

    The support for ATI hardware in the various PowerPC Linux distributions is quite good. The older Mach64 and the newer RAGE 128 cards work great even with the stable kernel.

    I hope nVidia is free and open with the necessary information so that X acceleration for the new OEM Mac video will be as easy to set up as the current stuff.

    John

  39. Re:Um... by fluxrad · · Score: 1 · on Oil Slick Threatens African Penguins

    Linus Takes a Poop - Slashdot Posts
    posted by CmdrTaco
    Joe The Trollbaby writes:"Linus torvalds took a poop. Since this has something to do with linux, being that linus developed the linux kernel - it must be slashdot news-worthy." - note: linus has taken poops before. check here for more.


    FluX
    After 16 years, MTV has finally completed its deevolution into the shiny things network

  40. Re:Herring? by Mr+Z · · Score: 1 · on Linux 2.4.0 Test2 Almost Ready for Prime Time

    No, he was speaking in Swedish.

    --Joe
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  41. The Mirrors page by commanderfoxtrot · · Score: 1 · on Linux 2.4.0 Test2 Almost Ready for Prime Time

    Just to save ten seconds, here is the list of mirrors, from the site: http://www.kernel.org/mirrors/

    Does anybody actually know when we can expect a proper (mostly) stable release? And then again, much as I'm sure 2.4 is jolly handy for some, when will we see the fruit of more useful products for the average consumer such as the KDE/Gnome Office replacements?

  42. Re:Okay, it worked in the past... by drivers · · Score: 2 · on Salon's Free Software Project (Part 2)

    big business can innovate and often does a damn better job than what comes out of somebody's garage

    Yes, Bill Gates put it best:

    "The royalty paid to us, the manual, the tape and the overhead make it a break-even operation. One thing you do do is prevent good software from being written. Who can afford to do professional work for nothing? What hobbyist can put 3-man years into programming, finding all bugs, documenting his product and distribute for free? The fact is, no one besides us has invested a lot of money in hobby software. We have written 6800 BASIC, and are writing 8080 APL and 6800 APL, but there is very little incentive to make this software available to hobbyists. Most directly, the thing you do is theft."

    After all, who would spend THREE WHOLE MAN YEARS developing software. Free software could never put that much work into programming, bug finding, or documenting, and distributing for free hobbyist (free) software.

  43. a good way by theseum · · Score: 1 · on Writing Protected Mode x86 OSes?

    a great way to code a new kernel is to look at other, open-source kernels. Also, learn assembly if you don't know it already. It is a low-level language so you get a feel for the architecture, and the concepts in assembly are definitely needed in kernel development.

  44. Interesting Stuff by brank · · Score: 2 · on Writing Protected Mode x86 OSes?
    These are some books that I found relevent. I didn't include anythin specifically about asm, since the question seemed to ask about OS design more than the language.

    The FreeDOS Kernel is a book about the way the GNU FreeDOS Kernel is designed.

    Of course, you can just skip the book and look at code. You can get a free Unix source license for some older stuff at SCO (not x86) or just download a Linux kernel (for the x86)

    One of my favourite books about OS design: Inside the IBM PC, by Peter Norton. It's been through many, many editions, and some of the older ones are very detailed about the inner workings of DOS.

    Just in general, look at used book stores or the library. You can find some very interesting old books. I seem to remember an old book put out by MS Press, Inside OS/2 or some such, that was pretty good.

  45. Re:serious question... by GeZ117 · · Score: 1 · on KDE 2.0 Beta 2 "Kleopatra" Now Available

    Have you ever heard of a thing known as "kernel" and that is needed by Lilo, Grub, Loadlin or whatever to boot a computer ? Btw, do you know what Linux really is ? A kernel. Just a kernel. What we call Linux is in fact the Linux kernel, plus the GNU tools, plus everything that you you want and can run on it, like KDE for example.

    A word of advice: if you have enough room on your harddrive, let KDE and GNOME together. They can cohabit peacefully, and this way, if you want to use a KApplication under GNOME, or vice-versa, you can, because you have all required library.
    Better to have something we don't need than to need something we don't have.

  46. Respect the mirrors please! by stab · · Score: 5 · on 2.2.16 Kernel Released - Fixes Security Hole

    Why does Slashdot link directly to the main kernel.org server, and circumvent the absolutely massive set of mirrors that they have setup around the world to save bandwidth and time for everyone?

    Go to http://www.kernel.org/mirrors/ and get the new kernel from there ...

    Hrm, a multiplexor like the CPAN one would be quite cool for kernel.org as well ...

  47. Not a problem!! by Dr+Caleb · · Score: 4 · on Microsoft's Watered-down Version Of DOJ Remedy
    They can view the source code of their competitor here!

    I suppose you can't blame MS for trying. Like a condemed man shouting "But I'm innocent!!" on his way to the gallows.

  48. Re:Cool!! But where is it? by radar+bunny · · Score: 1 · on Linux 2.4.0-test1 Released

    the tarball is here

    ftp://ftp.kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/v2. 4/

  49. Re:Alan's Todo list by bornholtz · · Score: 2 · on Linux 2.4.0-test1 Released

    Get this thing fixed already 2.3.x is very much faster than 2.2 and im sick of using buggy software
    If you are sick of bugy software why are you using test kernels? Switch back to a stable version. To quote from www.kernel.org "The latest stable version of the Linux kernel is: 2.2.15 "
    Or better yet, how many patches have you submitted? Thats how open source is supposed to work. If you don't like it, fix it yourself or shut up and wait. I'm sure everyone would appreciate it being done sooner, but you to come here and bitch about it not being stable should not be tolerated.
    For the record, I've never submitted a patch to the kernetl, but I've never bitched that the "test" kernels were buggy!

  50. Wrapster and 2.4 by yerricde · · Score: 3 · on RIAA Claims Initial Legal Win vs. Napster

    The problem is that Napster only has one use, transfering MP3 files. ... A more general system such as gnutella does not have these kind of problems.

    But with the Wrapster archiver, an MP3 file need not contain an MPEG audio layer 3 stream to be sent using the Napster software. Wrapster is your typical tar(1)-like archiver, but it makes archives (*.wrapster.mp3) that Napster can shoot over the Internet. To put it another way: <whore>you can use Wrapster and Napster to distribute the latest version of a certain OS kernel so that the official servers don't get slashdotted when 2.4 is released</whore>, especially if you napigate to an opennap server.