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Firefox only runs on W98 and above. K-Meleon can run on W95. What could be geekier than updating software on a W95 box?

Alright I take that back. There are extensions but not Adblock or Web Developer yet.

No it is not a plugin. It is a control (widget in Linux land) to allow your OWN APPLICATION to use the gecko rendering engine. IE the browser is really just a wrapper application around MSHTML the engine that does all the work. The same for Mozilla/Firefox. They are the GUI and gecko is the main engine that does all the displaying of content. With the gecko ActiveX control, you can program your _own_ web browser using gecko similar to KMeleon which is a light weight MS Windows browser that uses gecko. You can also do this in Linux such as Galeon and Epiphany, though they obviously do not use an ActiveX control.

If these machines are running windows, try K-Meleon. It's basedon Gecko from Mozilla, but runs much much faster on windows than Mozilla or Firefox because it has a native UI.

There are people working on this. Currently, Phoenix is the brower only app. It's lean, quick, and efficient. Bugs are still being worked out, but it's very usable right now. Also, K-Meleon is a browser that uses the Gecko rendering engine, but not the Mozilla XUL interface.

As for email/news clients, there are two, I believe. Thunderbird and Minotaur. Neither are out at all yet to use.

Um, like K-Meleon, Galeon, and Q.BATi?

While using tabbed browser, visiting a page which calls the window.close() method of JavaScript, the entire window will close, as opposed to the tab which contained the code.

A new button on the Windows start menu, titled "set program access and defaults," allows users to choose between four default options: computer manufacturer choice; Microsoft only software; non-Microsoft software; and customized settings, which is the default choice.

k-meleon is the windows version of galeon. it is solely a browser and uses the gecko rendering engine.

Oops, that should be KMeleon.org.

One of the authors also created a Mozilla-based opensource Win32 browser: K-Meleon

Maybe you're looking for K-Meleon, which call itself "the Windows answer to galeon"?

One of the cool things about Mozilla (and its Linux and Windows derivatives) is the opportunity to only accept cookies from the current page. I'm sure that when Mozilla is released and starts to take chunks out of IE's dominance, people will start to use this feature and web bugs will become less useful.

Oh, and I'm using Opera to post this, which is also an excellent browser for Windows - always fast and usually stable. Its main advantage to all other browsers is its killer UI with mouse gesture recognition, lots of hotkeys, excellent bookmark management etc.

Also, if you filter JavaScripts and animated GIFs using a local proxy like Proxomitron, even Netscape 4.7 becomes rock stable (I can use it for days without a single crash). Really, if you don't want to use IE, don't use it.

Everyone should have a look at K-Meleon it is the Windows 'Galeon'; a light browser built around the gecko rendering engine from mozilla.

I use it on all my Windows systems - its quite capable. And you can config it to report MSIE5 to this UK Gov. site.... but it dosnt work with "MSIE5". Does anyone know the *exact string* that IE reports as 'browser type'?

there is no hyphen in K-meleon domain name

If they'd just done a simple, Windows-only, WWW-only program, what incentive would there be for people to use it, when IE is already there?

Because it is a better WWW-only program?

No, the true value of Mozilla (and the Communicator suite which preceded it)

Value?!?! Communicator sucked because of all its "features". You would think they would have learned from their mistake.

Netscape knows that trying to compete with Microsoft on the Windows platform is suicide due to Microsoft's bundle-opoly.

So Mozilla decided to create their own "bundle-opoly" by making you use only the internal Mozilla tools for accessing the web.

Microsoft had no bundle-opoly on the Mac Platform. How come Microsoft defeated Netscape there?

The Mozilla project is still meaningful, and I believe it is one of perhaps three or four programs whose continued existence are absolutely crucial to the preservation of a world in which Microsoft does not have 100 percent market share of all three major sectors (desktop, server, and embedded).

Mozilla existence will do nothing to preventing Microsoft from taking 100 percent of the market as long and it insists on being bloatware. Browsers like kmeleon(0.4 is out) and Opera will.

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Not for myself really...just a nifty little browser called K-Meleon, a lightweight browser that uses the M18 basecode for Windows. They're currently up to version .3, so it tends to eat up visual memory (has it's own graphical widgets (scroll bars, ect)), and has some trouble copying and pasting. You can now set your own home page (defualted to the Kmeleon website in previous versions), and change "skins" (somewhat). It's definatly faster than IE on a dialup modem, not to mention light-weight (2.9 or 3.0 megs), and is completely independent of IE (to the best of my knowledge...there may be IP stacks shared or somthing.

and yes, there's a "linux port", Gecko, for the uninformed. Actually, Kmeleon was ported from Galeon's Gecko engine, hence the similarity in lizard names. Both are nifty, although I believe Galeon has more features (Kmeleon is about as bare bones as you get before downgrading to Mosaic).

You can download Window's Kmeleon here, and find the main page for Galeon here.

Not for myself really...just a nifty little browser called K-Meleon, a lightweight browser that uses the M18 basecode for Windows. They're currently up to version .3, so it tends to eat up visual memory (has it's own graphical widgets (scroll bars, ect)), and has some trouble copying and pasting. You can now set your own home page (defualted to the Kmeleon website in previous versions), and change "skins" (somewhat). It's definatly faster than IE on a dialup modem, not to mention light-weight (2.9 or 3.0 megs), and is completely independent of IE (to the best of my knowledge...there may be IP stacks shared or somthing.

and yes, there's a "linux port", Gecko, for the uninformed. Actually, Kmeleon was ported from Galeon's Gecko engine, hence the similarity in lizard names. Both are nifty, although I believe Galeon has more features (Kmeleon is about as bare bones as you get before downgrading to Mosaic).

You can download Window's Kmeleon here, and find the main page for Galeon here.

I may use and love Konqueror, but I still cheer for the Mozilla people because they're just a teeny bit more ambitious; as in, Mozilla runs on Unix, Windows, Mac, BeOS, and others. I still use Netscape 4.7x under Windows because I still prefer its "feel" over IE (Dear Microsoft: Fix the ****ing mouse wheel scolling!!), but it's getting outdated quickly, and I'm going to need something better for Windows. Mozilla and its derivatives (like K-meleon) are pretty much the only runners from the free software/open source community right now. I don't like the idea of Microsoft embracing and extending the web and convincing web designers that getting 90-95% of the potential market is good enough. We need a browser that runs on all platforms and is the most standards-compliant of all of them. That's why I can't help but cheer Mozilla on.

have W3C standards ever meant that I can get solid cross-platform, cross-browser compatibility on my (correctly coded) web pages, six months, a year, two years down the line?

The major fifth-generation web browsers (Mozilla, IE 5.x, Konqueror, Opera, etc.) support most of CSS1 and CSS2. If a page crashes 4.x browsers, that's the fault of the 4.x browser user for not installing a 5.x browser. 5.x browsers don't use that much more resources than 4.x browsers; see also Galeon and K-Meleon.

If people use shitty browsers, that's their problem.

Also, there's a tradeoff between supporting older machines and implementing an application with better features.

Make it like Mozilla, where you can compile out the "features" you don't want (also on windows) and get down to the one feature that matters: fast conforming browsing, leaving the bloat for those former AOLers who don't give a fig. Apps written in a modular fashion (where dead code can be removed in the install-linker) have only those features that you want. Who here still runs the standard Slack/RH/Debian "kernel with everything"?

Try Galeon. Or kmeleon. Each is a 'lite' browser based on the gecko rendering engine, i.e. the one in Mozilla. They might not be exactly what you have in mind (you may want all of Mozilla's browsing features, for example), but one of them might be what you want.

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The correct url should be http://kmeleon.org.

Get it here

Lose the Java support, and you've got a fantastic browser in Opera in just over a 2MB download, which seems to support just about everything you described. If you want Java, it's closer to 10.

I don't think it could get much smaller, because of the complexities involved in the increasing scope of the HTML standards, JavaScript, CSS and the like, plus the fact that they seem to be writing the code to be reasonably portable.

If you really want to get insane, I'm sure somebody COULD write a browser in hand-coded assembler to be extremely small, but the benefits would be outweighed by the sheer difficulty in maintaining this code and loss in portability.

Want a lightweight Mozilla for Windows? Try Kmeleon. Stripped down, but is fast and small (about 3MB), as well as free, and seems reasonably stable too. I use this and am pleased with it, but I prefer Opera still because it's been in development longer and seems to be more consistent in its rendering capabilities.

The Windows equivalent of Galeon (i.e. a stripped-down web browser using the Gecko engine from Mozilla) is k-meleon (no, despite the K, it has nothing to do with KDE).

Depends on what OS you have. Try here for Linux and here for Windows. Both are tiny browsers based around the Gecko rendering engine.

Kmeleon has dissapeared? I think not. Version .2 just came out on November 27, 2000.

Kmeleon has dissapeared? I think not. Version .2 just came out on November 27, 2000.

Netscape 6, or Mozilla, is not built for anything in particular. Mozilla was specifically designed to be very cross-platform, and so it isn't actually native to any operating system. I know there there already is a Mac port, but since it uses a cross-platform toolkit, it won't use Aqua like a native Max OS X app. If you really need pretty widgets, I'm sure sooner or later someone will write a native frontend for the Mozilla browser, such as Galeon for Gnome and K-Meleon for Windows.

Of course, one could argue that hey, this is an OpenSource project, it's the platonic ideal of software development, we the hackers can have whatever we want. Well, yes. Go ahead and check out a mozilla build and roll your own. You can do that. The thing is, the people who actually ARE contributing to mozilla are still strongly tied to netscape (okay not all of 'em), and they have wide acceptance as a goal. Which means it needs all that stuff. I don't think they made a poor decision by including it.

1. Opera
2. gecko
3. icab

P.S.: anybody knows why k-meleon 0.1 wants to act as a server?

K-Meleon is a nice, free browser for Win32 that uses the Gecko rendering engine. Worth a try...

Alfredo was dead-on: a review of 'independant' browsers with a mere three browsers reviewed is like a review of the year's new cars including only Ford, Lotus, and Chevy. Of course, the playing field would have been severly limited if CNet had chosen to define 'independant' as specifying a browser that did not require NS and particularly IE as a backbone. However, the inclusion of Neoplanet should have opened the competition to some other notable browsers, namely, Netcaptor, Power Browser, and K-Meleon. My personal favorite, excepting Opera, is Netcaptor: Captorgroups and tabs are invaluable, and the author is very responsive to users. Power Browser is tabbed, and has a handy little feature that allows notes to be added to a a web page. K-Meleon, while still in it's infancy, should have at least been mentioned as perhaps the only alternative interface app for Netscape in the Windows world.

I was bored on sunday so i played a little with Gecko as we want to use it into wa3. Note that it will only use Gecko if you have Mozilla installed, we don't want to add 18 megs to the distribution :)

So here is the result : K-Meleon. A tiny, fast web browser using the Gecko engine.

It seems the plans are to include K-Meleon in Winamp 3 as a replacement for the current minibrowser, which is embedded IE. Makes sense, given that AOL owns Nullsoft.