Slashdot Mirror

http://local.live.com/ has a "birds eye view" feature that blows away any satellite imagery I have seen to date. Multiple angles and super sharp resolution. It is not available everywhere and the images are not contiguous but it is still a great feature.

Just when M$ was going to release the same stuff but with more features ... http://ideas.live.com/programpage.aspx?versionId=1 1b1081d-cfb0-4511-acb5-55db6b49f7de ... woohoo i love google

Great now I need to get a DS. Son of a...

use this with something like

http://www.google.com/ig
http://www.live.com/
http://www.eskobo.com/

if they work with the DS version of Opera that would make the DS absolutly KILLER

Netvibes, Protopage, Pageflakes, Live.com, and a bonus Google Personalized

Ah hypertext links. What wonders have Tim Burners Lee wrought. And look, I'm anonymous so no karma whoring.

>This is not only original (as far as major players are concerned) as far as I can see, but seems like a great ide.

As somebody else pointed out, M$ already has it in beta, and, unlike Google, it's an open beta.

http://domains.live.com/

You moron, MS has been offering such a service for a few months now... http://domains.live.com/

http://domains.live.com/

Microsoft is already offering this. It's been around for about a month, I think.

Interesting that nobody posted when MSN/Hotmail started offering the same service recently.

Google vs Microsoft.. Allways the same deal.


Get a look on :
Microsoft Live Custom Domains http://ideas.live.com/programpage.aspx?versionId=1 1b1081d-cfb0-4511-acb5-55db6b49f7de
And
Microsoft Office Live http://www.microsoft.com/office/officelive/default .mspx

Let's go for a new battle..
Round 1
Fight!

tssss

https://domains.live.com/

I think so =)

That one of the neat features http://domains.live.com/ provides.
I absolutely don't need setup a copy to a hotmail or a msn account with Live.com

I have been using http://domains.live.com/ along with a Live.com mail account.
I love the ease of use and the featuresets live.com provides.
I am going to give gmail a spin too.
But I believe Live.com custom domains will be hard to beat.

Sounds a whole lot like Windows Live Domains (http://domains.live.com/) to me. What's the big deal?

I've used this ( http://safety.live.com/site/en-US/default.htm ) before, and it's free and seemingly from Microsoft. Are they just going to start charging for it?

For references, these are the enumeration names and where to go to make sure you have the latest anti-virus signature. Remember, this variant will uninstall and delete most anti-virus software so it's important to recognize it before it goes active tomorrow. Most virus definition software refers to it as CME-24. This is important since this worm has many different names including Nyxem.E, BlackWorm, Grew and Mywife.E.

More on the worm and its permutations and statistics on spreading.

A very detailed analysis with all types of files that may be affected.

And, if it's worth anything to you, the Microsoft advisory which seems to tout that Windows Live Safety Center Beta can protect against it. If you're in charge of computer security at your workplace, I would send out an e-mail instructing everyone to verify that they have the correct anti-virus definitions and to scan their computers before leaving tonight. Luckily, that's not my job where I work.

Both services mentioned that remove the worm for you are FREE. http://safety.live.com/

Perhaps its a FireFox only problem, but....

http://safety.live.com/site/en-US/default.htm?jgms uid=true

Gives me:

"Firefox has detected that the server is redirecting the request for this address in a way that will never complete."

I guess my Powerbook is gonna get nuked on Friday, huh?

Both the company's free online security service, Windows Live Safety, and its in-beta OneCare Live software, however, will disinfect compromised computers, Microsoft said.

Try this: It's the Windows Live Mail. http://ideas.live.com/

Seriously, I think anyone who discounts Microsoft or doesn't fear them at this point, or who says "their star seems to be fading" needs to look around again. For some time now, there have been some saying that Microsoft is becoming increasingly irrelevant, now that we have companies like Google.

But to anyone thinks this way, I warn you: some people once thought Netscape and the World Wide Web might make Microsoft irrelevant. Others once thought Java might make Microsoft irrelevant. Some once thought Apple might dethrone Microsoft. Some once thought the Playstation would kill Microsoft. I am willing to concede that the verdict may not be in on the last two points yet, but the XBox 360 is sure making headway in that market, and the iPod, though still the most popular MP3 player, is clearly by NO means secure in its position at this point, as competing music stores AND players are continually nipping at Apple's heels.

But my point is simply this: In EVERY case but the last two, Microsoft successfully thwarted or killed those technologies, sometimes only after quite a while of making blunders. Though it may have taken a couple years, Internet Explorer ultimately killed Netscape. Java, though still widely used, appears to be stagnating, not growing, as .NET slowly but surely keeps gaining more and more momentum. And Apple, though they may currently have the dominant MP3 player, are still slowly getting nipped at their heels by competitors, and it is beginning to look like their dominance may begin to fade at any moment... And the Macintosh continues to face shrinking market share, to the point where there are now more Linux machines than Macintosh machines out there.

And to anyone who thinks Firefox is dethroning Internet Explorer, check again: last time I checked, Internet Explorer still has AT LEAST more than 60% market share, even according to some of the most Firefox-dominant survey samples out there, like the audience who visits W3Schools. And for all the talk about ActiveX and its security flaws, that doesn't seem to have put much of a dent in its use--there are STILL quite a lot of applications out there on the web that depend heavily on ActiveX, particularly at places like banks and corporate intranets. It's all very well to say Firefox is right not to support ActiveX because of its insecurities, but for anyone who is stuck with a bank or a corporate intranet that requires ActiveX, there is basically no real alternative to Internet Explorer.

I doubt ANYONE in their right mind could seriously say the Apple, Sun, or Netscape are going to dethrone Microsoft anytime soon. Do *NOT* discount Microsoft. They might be down on this one round, but they are by *NO* means out. Last time I checked, they are STILL the dominant desktop OS, with over 90% market share, and the prospects for a successful Vista launch seem to keep getting better all the time. From the looks of it, Win Vista, whether we like it or not, is very likely to wow many people, and help Microsoft reclaim whatever ground they have lost to Apple, Google, Linux, etc.

I also warn you: Microsoft is clearing planning to move all of their MSN properties into Windows Live. The next version of Hotmail will be called Windows Live Mail, in keeping with this. Their plan is to integrate Windows Live (formerly MSN) heavily with the Windows operating system, and to market it and position it as *THE* web portal, Web 2.0 widget center (upon which other web applications will be built), and THE gateway to the Internet. By integrating Windows Live into Windows and making it platform-dependent, Microsoft still has a trump card here that Google can only DREAM of having.

Do NOT discount Microsoft--they are STILL a force to be reckoned with, they are STILL in a VERY strong position, and they are STILL very dangerous... Do NOT be lulled into a sense of complacency.

AV-ClamWin, Watchdog (works in conjunctions w/ ClamWin, Foxit PDFreader. But in the scheme of things this is really just a reaction to Microsoft's http://ideas.live.com/ Take a look. The OneCare app is an inbound/outbound firewall to replace the built in xp inbound firewall/virus scanner, etc. The http://start.com/ - the testing site and http://live.com/ - their production site even started using Gadgets http://microsoftgadgets.com/, just as Yahoo bought Konfabulator http://widgets.yahoo.com/ & has widgets now. Google just made some more API's available and brought out Google modules http://www.google.com/ig/directory Microsoft is working on a new messenger program, a primitive mapping program (that they've had for a long time), the whole live site is basic white even. Every one is getting the minimalist sites and all-in-one package deals. If you check the big browsers they are all competing for a desktop/browser setup. Personnally, I don't like when my browsers take their crap onto my desktop and make apps out of them. Anything that indexes my desktop seems like a security risk and a definite performance hog. If I wanted gadgets/widgets/modules... well I don't. And I really don't need a toolbar. I'm not surprised this was Google's next step but I try not to download the stuff I don't need. I'm a Windows OS fan but *nix ported apps are the best in my mind.

AV-ClamWin, Watchdog (works in conjunctions w/ ClamWin, Foxit PDFreader. But in the scheme of things this is really just a reaction to Microsoft's http://ideas.live.com/ Take a look. The OneCare app is an inbound/outbound firewall to replace the built in xp inbound firewall/virus scanner, etc. The http://start.com/ - the testing site and http://live.com/ - their production site even started using Gadgets http://microsoftgadgets.com/, just as Yahoo bought Konfabulator http://widgets.yahoo.com/ & has widgets now. Google just made some more API's available and brought out Google modules http://www.google.com/ig/directory Microsoft is working on a new messenger program, a primitive mapping program (that they've had for a long time), the whole live site is basic white even. Every one is getting the minimalist sites and all-in-one package deals. If you check the big browsers they are all competing for a desktop/browser setup. Personnally, I don't like when my browsers take their crap onto my desktop and make apps out of them. Anything that indexes my desktop seems like a security risk and a definite performance hog. If I wanted gadgets/widgets/modules... well I don't. And I really don't need a toolbar. I'm not surprised this was Google's next step but I try not to download the stuff I don't need. I'm a Windows OS fan but *nix ported apps are the best in my mind.

Nobody has mentioned Live Local. Look at the FBI. It's a shame really; the Capitol and the White House are beautiful buildings.

Google is hardly innovating in the AJAX-space. Except for their Google Maps image load feature, there's not all that much that's interesting. Gmail has gone in a dissapointing direction - RSS newsfeeds (??), no real AJAX innovation with drag/drop or right-click or anything. Oh, and Microsoft's Birds-eye view totally kicked the pants off the standalone Google Earth. However, I fail to see the whole excitement in creating an AJAX portal...talk about a has-been concept with some new window-dressing. Why either MS or Google are wasting their time on that is still rather unclear...unless if they take it to the next level somehow.

At the risk of sounding like a troll, I have to say that the sycophantic reaction of the posters to Google's API is hilarious. http://www.live.com/ has had this around for a while now, but I dont see any of the "Google's copied Microsoft" whines like I saw when live.com was released (of course, the whining was the other way around). I wonder how long the honeymoon between google and slashdot will last...

You can view your hotmail on Microsoft's Windows Live beta, displayed pretty similarly to the way that Gmail is displayed on your personalized Google homepage. Not quite the same as Google Desktop's version, but not bad, and much nicer than the bloated, ugly, and badly organized Hotmail.com web page.

"and (I assume) Microsoft."

Not only do you assume correctly, Microsoft is going to allow their widgets to work both online (live.com - gadgets, and start.com - startlets, more (microsoftgadgets.com gadgets here) but on the user's desktop as well once Vista is released. Perhaps these gadgets will even share the same code and can live on both the desktop and live.com simultaneously.

http://www.live.com/
http://www.start.com/3/

MS did this months and months ago with both start.com and Live. Google doing this now is kinda' just sad...

Nothing to see here, folks.

Viable alternative for what part of google?

Want to replace G-Mail? Try Yahoo
Want to replace Google Maps? Try MSN's http://local.live.com/
Replace Google Search? Try MSN live.com

MSN has been really trying to make up for lost ground recently, especially in relation to Google's services.

There are lots of alternatives to Google, it's just that Google has become the 800lb gorilla and nobody really wants to 'make the switch' away from something they're comfortable with. Kinda like the whole Windows vs Mac/linux thing.

P.S. Hotmail still sucks in comparison to Yahoo/Gmail. I only keep it around because I've had the same address for at least 8~10+ years.

Check Microsoft's answer to Google Earth. The brid's eye view is amazing. It will pose a big challenge to Google.

Check out Microsoft's come back.

We just recently reported on the small developer's advantage in this area of the industry, so no surprise here at EA's move.


Jamdat's offices are huge, they got at least 2 floors of a large building just off the 405 freeway in LA, just south of THQ. The are a large enough occupier that they have the sole name on a 12 story office building(not visable in the link.) Also if this is the largest purchase by EA, how is Jamdat small? Perhaps this needed to be better written.

For users outside of the US and UK Live Local is the better one.

I live in Australia, and Google Maps zooms in close enough to just see my house and car. With Windows Live I can barely see my city. They are using different map services, so I guess it just depends where you live.

Your URL comparison isn't completely fair. The local.live.com URL is encoding more information - in particular your exact view as well as a pushpin you created.

Here's a more fair comparison - I adjusted the position of the google map and I took out your pushpin from the live local map:

http://local.google.com/maps?q=hospitals+near+stoc kton,+ca&ll=37.969779,-121.296444&spn=0.065694,0.1 17906&hl=en
http://local.live.com/default.aspx?v=2&ss=hospital s&cp=37.953792~-121.290691&style=h&lvl=11&scene=37 01012

Microsoft's has pulled that trick often, but they haven't been doing it's "sister" site, live.com. When it was first came out it worked like crap in FF but included a note saying "coming soon for Firefox". Now it works great in Firefox, and in my opinion its even better than the Google offering it competes with. I doubt they've abandoned Embrace and Extend, but this is probably Microsoft acknowlodging that Firefox is too big to ignore (or maybe that IE's suckiness is too great to ignore).

Part of the intent of the Microsoft "live" offerings is to get back it's legitmacy with a demographic that uses non-IE browsers almost exclusively. They simply can't accomplish that goal without coding for Firefox.

My guess is that they will eventually work out the kinks so that it works equally well in Firefox if not better. Of course, who's to say that it isn't part of a secret, much-more-cunning "Embrace" phase - whereby they woo the firefox users away from google apps, and then start offering windows-only firefox extensions. I wouldn't put it past 'em.

OK, why would I use this instead of Google again?

Let's compare a basic query from Google to MSN Lives.

http://local.google.com/maps?q=hospitals+near+stoc kton,+ca&hl=en
http://local.live.com/default.aspx?v=2&ss=hospital s&cp=37.953792~-121.290691&style=h&lvl=11&sp=aN.34 .143119_-77.915445_road%20lake..%20make%20up%20you r%20mind_

First off, Google's URL is MUCH shorter for permalink.

But the real guts to this query is in the results.

As you can see Google returns much cleaner, relative results and has more results too. Not to mention a COLORED MAP that is UP TO DATE.

Live doesn't even have my house built on their map and that was back in 1996.

This data is especially meaningful to me because a few weeks ago I got a call from a nurse that my Mom had had a heartattack and the hospital was St. something but thanks to Cingulars wonderful reception I couldn't make out what the lady said.

Luckily, I had Google Local and it returned the right hospital almost instantly and allowed me to get in contact with the nurse again to find out that she was going to be alright.

Now, looking for the nearest Pizza Hut isn't that big of a deal but when somebodies life is involved, I wouldn't trust any other search provider.

I love this one.. http://local.live.com/?v=2&sp=aN.34.143119_-77.915 445_road%20lake..%20make%20up%20your%20mind_ witch to areial view and zoom out till you can see the pic...

Bill Gate's huge pad. Neet.

One aside, I don't like how so much information is embedded into the "permalink" - why is it relevant to embed my SEARCH HISTORY into the link? Here's an example. I searched "Central Avenue, Cheyenne, WY" then "6103 State Rt 44, Canfield, OH" (which it didn't recognize). Then I searched 125 Broad St, NY, NY. Here is the resulting permalink:
http://local.live.com/default.aspx?v=2&cp=40.70274 4~-74.011397&style=r&lvl=15&sp=adr.Central%20Ave%2 C%20Cheyenne%2C%20WY%2082001~adr.6103%20SR-44%2C%2 0Louisville%2C%20OH%2044641~adr.125%20Broad%20St%2 C%20New%20York%2C%20NY%2010004

One aside, I don't like how so much information is embedded into the "permalink" - why is it relevant to embed my SEARCH HISTORY into the link? Here's an example. I searched "Central Avenue, Cheyenne, WY" then "6103 State Rt 44, Canfield, OH" (which it didn't recognize). Then I searched 125 Broad St, NY, NY. Here is the resulting permalink:
http://local.live.com/default.aspx?v=2&cp=40.70274 4~-74.011397&style=r&lvl=15&sp=adr.Central%20Ave%2 C%20Cheyenne%2C%20WY%2082001~adr.6103%20SR-44%2C%2 0Louisville%2C%20OH%2044641~adr.125%20Broad%20St%2 C%20New%20York%2C%20NY%2010004

This is probably an obvious answer to /.ers, but what on earth does http://local.live.com/ have to do with Windows (other than the o/s the service runs on?) This appears to be just another web app, with the windows adjective thrown in for no other reason than brand recognition.

And maybe it's also a sneaky effort on MS's part to convince internet users that dynamic DHTML+JS web pages are somehow related to their operating system... NOT. Kind of surprised it's not "MSN Local Live", or "MSN Live Local" or something... maybe that says something about where the MSN brand is going...

If you do bird's eye view for my office , there are tons of people in the street on 5th avenue. It's too disorganized to be a parade, and Madison has traffic on it, so it wasn't the blackout. There are also two circles of people in the northern part of the image. Anyone know what gives?

1. Dragging feels unnatural and gets stuck. I feel like I have to drag a little, let go, and then drag some more. Don't see what's wrong with the way Google and Yahoo do it.
2. While I can understand why you can't just drag around forever since perspective of the adjancent edges are all different, it would be great if they could make dragging between photos easier so I don't have to scroll up to the upper left to move up or down. Any thoughts on how this could be done more smoothly.
3. There address parsing isn't as good as Google Maps.
4. Even if it wouldn't be seamless, it seems they could still offer the option of scrolling around multiple photos in a mosaic format. Maybe they don't want to break the illusion that you are in this space by allowing you to have a mosaic view of all photos available in an area. Maybe someone can create this (though Microsoft will probably shut it down like Google shut down the Google Maps poster maker).
5. And obviously greater coverage would be much appreciated.

It's doubtfull it will scan "through" your firewall; rather it will require you to locally install an ActiveX app that will update its signature files before launching and scanning "locally." See the above posts on Trend Micro's version, McAfee's version, and now Microsoft's version.

Me too! And the url is http://ideas.live.com/ErrorPage.aspx?ErrorCode=5

From the MS site: http://ideas.live.com/programpage.aspx?versionId=b 78afccd-47f0-460e-b09b-33c2d53ac53b

"The beta version of Windows OneCare Live is free, though the final service will be a paid subscription."

So now they make money off their own bugs. Genius!

Windows Live Ideas Error Page: "Wow, we must have really messed up and are currently down. Please come back later. "

That's Windows Live, not Xbox Live. And all it is is a Personalised Homepage thing...just like Google and Yahoo!'s offerings. See it here - http://www.live.com/ Yeah, similar names - but not similar enough that you should really get confused.

Try a visit here, and do the works.. http://safety.live.com/

Why do I need a seperate program to view this type of content? Doesn't it make more sense to implement such an implementation in a browser? Personally, I have been using Bloglines for a long time (and more recently netvibes). Google and Microsoft also seem to be going this way.

Of course, as long as an application supports the importing and exporting of OPML it doesn't matter what you use, because switching is easy. However, I can't really justify running a whole seperate application that seems to do little other than launching Firefox anyway.