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``The DVDCA's Central Complaint is Fraudulent''I wish a little less fawning would occur when describing this gentleman, as lately, repeatedly in various publications he's described as brilliant. That may well be, but, lets be a little less sycophantic, you're coming across as starry-eyed/teeny-bopper-love struck.
BTW, what a brief piece, from the buildup in the description I was expecting a meaty sized dialog.
* Be that as it may, I did notice that perhaps the most salient point in the DeCSS discussion is missing: The movie industry has shifted the real discussion away from the fact that DeCSS is not presently needed for copying DVDs! Bit-for-bit copying is doable now. *
Perhaps this point was mentioned as a story here in /., however, I came across it in LWN.net; it is a 4 month old piece. ESR makes the relevant point succinctly, incisively. Here's a quote from that LWN piece:The real story here, though, is that the DVDCA's central complaint is fraudulent. DVD encryption does nothing to prevent content piracy. A pirate doesn't have to know how to decode DVDs to make bit-for-bit copies of them by the thousands. And no DVD player can distinguish between a legally distributed original and a pirated bit-for-bit copy. The amount of protection content producers get from DVD is exactly zero.
Note: There are counterpoints to the above,We have gotten some mail contesting Eric's claim that it is not necessary to decrypt DVDs to be able to make illegal copies. In fact, as documented in this IEEE Spectrum article, a number of steps have been taken to make bit-for-bit copying of DVDs hard - including prerecording sections of blank disks so that the encryption key can not be copied onto them.
and counters to that as well,None of that changes the fundamental point, though: pirates determined to make illegal DVD copies will be able to do so without any need for the DeCSS software. Subverting a (hardware or software) player to get a clear bit stream, or finding a source of non-prerecorded disks are both entirely viable approaches. Trying to protect bits that are in the hands of users is a losing battle.
As the 2nd quote mentions, that rebuttal quotes IEEE docs.
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``The DVDCA's Central Complaint is Fraudulent''I wish a little less fawning would occur when describing this gentleman, as lately, repeatedly in various publications he's described as brilliant. That may well be, but, lets be a little less sycophantic, you're coming across as starry-eyed/teeny-bopper-love struck.
BTW, what a brief piece, from the buildup in the description I was expecting a meaty sized dialog.
* Be that as it may, I did notice that perhaps the most salient point in the DeCSS discussion is missing: The movie industry has shifted the real discussion away from the fact that DeCSS is not presently needed for copying DVDs! Bit-for-bit copying is doable now. *
Perhaps this point was mentioned as a story here in /., however, I came across it in LWN.net; it is a 4 month old piece. ESR makes the relevant point succinctly, incisively. Here's a quote from that LWN piece:The real story here, though, is that the DVDCA's central complaint is fraudulent. DVD encryption does nothing to prevent content piracy. A pirate doesn't have to know how to decode DVDs to make bit-for-bit copies of them by the thousands. And no DVD player can distinguish between a legally distributed original and a pirated bit-for-bit copy. The amount of protection content producers get from DVD is exactly zero.
Note: There are counterpoints to the above,We have gotten some mail contesting Eric's claim that it is not necessary to decrypt DVDs to be able to make illegal copies. In fact, as documented in this IEEE Spectrum article, a number of steps have been taken to make bit-for-bit copying of DVDs hard - including prerecording sections of blank disks so that the encryption key can not be copied onto them.
and counters to that as well,None of that changes the fundamental point, though: pirates determined to make illegal DVD copies will be able to do so without any need for the DeCSS software. Subverting a (hardware or software) player to get a clear bit stream, or finding a source of non-prerecorded disks are both entirely viable approaches. Trying to protect bits that are in the hands of users is a losing battle.
As the 2nd quote mentions, that rebuttal quotes IEEE docs.
Thanks -
``The DVDCA's Central Complaint is Fraudulent''I wish a little less fawning would occur when describing this gentleman, as lately, repeatedly in various publications he's described as brilliant. That may well be, but, lets be a little less sycophantic, you're coming across as starry-eyed/teeny-bopper-love struck.
BTW, what a brief piece, from the buildup in the description I was expecting a meaty sized dialog.
* Be that as it may, I did notice that perhaps the most salient point in the DeCSS discussion is missing: The movie industry has shifted the real discussion away from the fact that DeCSS is not presently needed for copying DVDs! Bit-for-bit copying is doable now. *
Perhaps this point was mentioned as a story here in /., however, I came across it in LWN.net; it is a 4 month old piece. ESR makes the relevant point succinctly, incisively. Here's a quote from that LWN piece:The real story here, though, is that the DVDCA's central complaint is fraudulent. DVD encryption does nothing to prevent content piracy. A pirate doesn't have to know how to decode DVDs to make bit-for-bit copies of them by the thousands. And no DVD player can distinguish between a legally distributed original and a pirated bit-for-bit copy. The amount of protection content producers get from DVD is exactly zero.
Note: There are counterpoints to the above,We have gotten some mail contesting Eric's claim that it is not necessary to decrypt DVDs to be able to make illegal copies. In fact, as documented in this IEEE Spectrum article, a number of steps have been taken to make bit-for-bit copying of DVDs hard - including prerecording sections of blank disks so that the encryption key can not be copied onto them.
and counters to that as well,None of that changes the fundamental point, though: pirates determined to make illegal DVD copies will be able to do so without any need for the DeCSS software. Subverting a (hardware or software) player to get a clear bit stream, or finding a source of non-prerecorded disks are both entirely viable approaches. Trying to protect bits that are in the hands of users is a losing battle.
As the 2nd quote mentions, that rebuttal quotes IEEE docs.
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New feature list
I hope this hasn't already been posted, but here is a pretty convenient and well written list of the new 2.4 features.
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New feature list
I hope this hasn't already been posted, but here is a pretty convenient and well written list of the new 2.4 features.
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4594101037
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2248566290
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3570282016
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8547236984
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9863941907
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1887277863
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963495528
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8534517009
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9599350199
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9319393561
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2903846698
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4824021956
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9512299312
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9397800373
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Slashdot Security Hole4781480094
4781480094
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6097301187
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6868107482
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2157400083
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5322940981
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10320246297
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3697967987
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Slashdot Security Hole5286745255
5286745255
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Slashdot Security Hole4797684332
4797684332
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7259249913
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Slashdot Security Hole5732366247
5732366247
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7725274303
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Slashdot Security Hole1256488681
1256488681
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Slashdot Security Hole3584562908
3584562908
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Slashdot Security Hole4914808620
4914808620
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Slashdot Security Hole7627350769
7627350769
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Slashdot Security Hole8755840128
8755840128
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Slashdot Security Hole5838868843
5838868843
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Slashdot Security Hole8179629783
8179629783
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Slashdot Security Hole5969313789
5969313789
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Slashdot Security Hole8587003594
8587003594
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