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First of all, gestures do not come with Mozilla builds, and I have yet to see a link, so you can find Mozilla gestures at http://optimoz.mozdev.org/.

Now, in reply to your comment, use your left mouse button or middle button--it's in the preferences that way. Or add a modifier key so that you have to hit Ctrl while moving the mouse. I personally use my middle mouse key for all sorts of tab functions (http://multizilla.mozdev.org/), autoscrolling (http://autoscroll.mozdev.org/) and for gestures, and have no problem with conflicts.

Maybe they should make them customisable (choose your own gestures - that would be cool and people probably have their own personal gestures they find it is easier/harder for them to make ;-) ) and also make it so one can choose which individual gestures you want installed (i.e.: not the kill the app one if your fingers slip sometimes).

Actually, you can customize and choose which individual mouse gestures you want to use in Phoenix/Mozilla with the Optimoz Mouse Gestures Extension. All you need to do is go to the directory where you installed Phoenix/Mozilla (for example, C:\Program Files\mozilla.org\Mozilla), then navigate into chrome\mozgest\content\ and open the gestimp.js file (so, following the previous example, it would be C:\Program Files\mozilla.org\Mozilla\chrome\mozgest\content\g estimp.js). Now, edit whats in function initGestureTable() -- for example, edit
addGesture("L", "g.BrowserBack", "BrowserBack();");
to
addGesture("LUDR", "g.BrowserBack", "BrowserBack();");
in order to change from performing a "Left" gesture to go back one page to "Left, Up, Down, Right". You can also delete the gestures you dislike this way. Its archaic and troublesome, I know, but it works.

Personally, I only use the "Left" for Back, "Right" for Forward, "Up" for Stop, "Down" for New Tab, and "Down, Right" for Close Tab. All the rest is bloat that gets in the way, for me at least.

• What makes it different?
• How is it inept?
• Where is the evidence?
• Is the logo (or the introscreen) really that important? (it explains how to change the introscreen on MozDev btw)
• I would not object to it being changed but why should it be?

Mozilla (the dragon) is a strong brand image with a long history and one that many seem to relate to and think of as positive (user friendly, open source, &c).

"I would like to see a change in the Forward button, not the back button."

Basically, store the history in a tree format (like others have suggested), but don't display the history. Back buttons work as normal.

And then, if you press forward, it checks to see if there are multiple 'forward paths' and if so, prompts you for which one you'd like.

Sounds like an idea to me. Volunteers for starting a mozilla project?

Look at http://optimoz.mozdev.org and Radical Context for Mozilla.

Personally I feel Radical Context is better than simple gestures, but YMMV.

Actually moz has had gestures for a while: http://optimoz.mozdev.org/.

But something even better than gestures are the pie menus (found on the same page above, but also at: http://www.gamemakers.de/mozilla/radialcontext/) they are like gestures with a gui (indeed after you use them for a while you never look at the pie-menu any more, except to find obscure actions).

My favorite: RightClickandHold->UpRight->Down->Release (Closes the current tab)

Derek

Mozilla has gestures: http://optimoz.mozdev.org. The gestures are even configurable (unlike Galeon's) with the prefs.js file.

I've been a Phoenix user for some time now, and I really find it superior to IE in many ways. Why? Tabbed browsing, the ability to customize it, great community support, and the most important factor to me.... the Optimoz project and it's implementation of mouse gestures.

I'd estimate that I use Phoenix 99.9% of the time I'm browsing, thus... I use IE sparingly. When I do use IE, I can notice the difference in ease of use almost immediately.

To me, there is no dilemma in terms of what browser to use. Phoenix/Mozilla and far superior to IE, not to even mention Opera's superiority to it.

I doubt it. More than likely it is the 14 million mozilla users downloading Netscape 7x just to get the email dictionary. After installing it they just delete the software. Besides myself, I know several mozilla users who did this.


You could save yourself the 20-40 MB NS7 download time by just getting the spellchecker from spellchecker.mozdev.org. Anyways, if you tried to use the NS 7.01 spellchecker with Mozilla, it won't work pass 1.0.2.

I think the way Oreilly's Creating Applications With Mozilla was released.

The mozilla developers will have a get together: http://eu.mozdev.org/Brussels2003/schedule.html

And here is the schedule for the PostgreSQL talks http://candle.pha.pa.us/fosdem/

If you are interested in Embedded devices you might find the following interesting: http://www.fosdem.org/index/dev_room/dev_room_embe dded

Mouse gestures are being worked on at a project called Optimoz.

Since you were a little low on links, I thought I'd post them, along with some other info:

There's the UABar, and then MultiZilla also offers this feature, among many other features. However, the MultiZilla team doesn't want to make it too easy to change your user agent as it messes up logs of websites, but you can find out how to include it here. I did have the UABar installed for awhile, but it became redundant with MultiZilla installed.

Also, if you close your browser session when your User Agent is not at its default setting using the UABar, your default setting is replaced. With MultiZilla, your default is still in an easy to recognize place. Also, if you have Java installed, you will get errors when opening and closing Mozilla using a hacked user agent--something like "Java Virtual Machine for Netscape should not be used with MSIE." If you get that, switch your user agent back to it's default.

I have never used the Prefbar, but it looks good.

Since you were a little low on links, I thought I'd post them, along with some other info:

There's the UABar, and then MultiZilla also offers this feature, among many other features. However, the MultiZilla team doesn't want to make it too easy to change your user agent as it messes up logs of websites, but you can find out how to include it here. I did have the UABar installed for awhile, but it became redundant with MultiZilla installed.

Also, if you close your browser session when your User Agent is not at its default setting using the UABar, your default setting is replaced. With MultiZilla, your default is still in an easy to recognize place. Also, if you have Java installed, you will get errors when opening and closing Mozilla using a hacked user agent--something like "Java Virtual Machine for Netscape should not be used with MSIE." If you get that, switch your user agent back to it's default.

I have never used the Prefbar, but it looks good.

Since you were a little low on links, I thought I'd post them, along with some other info:

There's the UABar, and then MultiZilla also offers this feature, among many other features. However, the MultiZilla team doesn't want to make it too easy to change your user agent as it messes up logs of websites, but you can find out how to include it here. I did have the UABar installed for awhile, but it became redundant with MultiZilla installed.

Also, if you close your browser session when your User Agent is not at its default setting using the UABar, your default setting is replaced. With MultiZilla, your default is still in an easy to recognize place. Also, if you have Java installed, you will get errors when opening and closing Mozilla using a hacked user agent--something like "Java Virtual Machine for Netscape should not be used with MSIE." If you get that, switch your user agent back to it's default.

I have never used the Prefbar, but it looks good.

Their XPrint work is just as successful.

Actually Xprint shipped with XFree86 was broken for a long time but recently was fixed up and works quite well. If you want great printing with Mozilla it's a must.

http://xprint.mozdev.org/

and here's a good quick guide on it:

http://www.eskimo.com/~miallen/xprint

If you don't feel like maintaining a userContent.css file, check out Adblock over on mozdev. Bannerblind also kicked ass, but it seems abandoned.

I found the solution to this one a while ago:

1. Delete all shortcuts to IE except the one on the desktop.
2. Change the one on the desktop to link to mozilla.
3. Install IE Lookalike skin into mozilla.
4. Watch people use mozilla for all browsing.

The average person doesn't care what browser they use to browse the web. They'll take whatever's most convenient as long as it works (and usually, they'll use it even if it doesn't work.)

Install MultiZilla. It has an option to do this. It also makes Mozilla tabs much more useful. MultiZilla and radial context menus are the first things I install when I'm setting up Mozilla on a new box.

There's the UABar, and then MultiZilla also offers this feature, among many other features. However, they don't want to make it too easy to change your user agent as it messes up logs of websites, but you can find out how to include it here. I did have the UABar installed for awhile, but it became redundant with MultiZilla installed.

Also, if you close your browser session when your User Agent is not at its default setting using the UABar, your default setting is replaced. With MultiZilla, your default is still in an easy to recognize place. Also, if you have Java installed, you will get errors when opening and closing Mozilla using a hacked user agent--something like "Java Virtual Machine for Netscape should not be used with MSIE." If you get that, switch your user agent back to it's default.

There's the UABar, and then MultiZilla also offers this feature, among many other features. However, they don't want to make it too easy to change your user agent as it messes up logs of websites, but you can find out how to include it here. I did have the UABar installed for awhile, but it became redundant with MultiZilla installed.

Also, if you close your browser session when your User Agent is not at its default setting using the UABar, your default setting is replaced. With MultiZilla, your default is still in an easy to recognize place. Also, if you have Java installed, you will get errors when opening and closing Mozilla using a hacked user agent--something like "Java Virtual Machine for Netscape should not be used with MSIE." If you get that, switch your user agent back to it's default.

There's the UABar, and then MultiZilla also offers this feature, among many other features. However, they don't want to make it too easy to change your user agent as it messes up logs of websites, but you can find out how to include it here. I did have the UABar installed for awhile, but it became redundant with MultiZilla installed.

Also, if you close your browser session when your User Agent is not at its default setting using the UABar, your default setting is replaced. With MultiZilla, your default is still in an easy to recognize place. Also, if you have Java installed, you will get errors when opening and closing Mozilla using a hacked user agent--something like "Java Virtual Machine for Netscape should not be used with MSIE." If you get that, switch your user agent back to it's default.

Hate to break it to you, but Mozilla does do automated installs from web pages. Just head on over to MozDev and see for yourself. Many projects, such as OptiMoz and Spellchecker, have automated install links right on the page.

I believe there are efforts for "native" parts of Mozilla's browser on several platforms. Windows has K-Meleon, Linux has Galeon (GNOME) and Skipstone (GTK) and MacOS X has Chimera.

I also have issues with Phoenix. I do find that the load time is much improved compared to mozilla, but essential XUL improvements like multizilla, optimoz and bannerblind never install properly. The UI elements never appear and they never function even though the installer says that they were successful. What gives?

I also have issues with Phoenix. I do find that the load time is much improved compared to mozilla, but essential XUL improvements like multizilla, optimoz and bannerblind never install properly. The UI elements never appear and they never function even though the installer says that they were successful. What gives?

I also have issues with Phoenix. I do find that the load time is much improved compared to mozilla, but essential XUL improvements like multizilla, optimoz and bannerblind never install properly. The UI elements never appear and they never function even though the installer says that they were successful. What gives?

Now you should have a version of mozilla that the user cannot configure.

Now you should have a version of mozilla that the user cannot configure.

Now you should have a version of mozilla that the user cannot configure.

Mozilla team rejects libart (LGPL) and at the same time includes GTK (also LGPL). Strange, isn't it? But it doesn't look strange if you'll try to read some discussions in their bugzilla, like this one, where they buried out XFORMS b/c Why not just do it all in html and keep extending html. Basically, "we don't need any new standards, we need just some bugs to be fixed".

Look at other Mozilla projects having been promising and now dead. Look at their Roadmap - only version numbers, no info about any planned features (compare it with, for example PostgreSQL TODO list).

Gecko is (or was?) the most promising GUI technology I see today. It allows much more than HTML browsing - it allows to build real applications on the web. And several non-browser projects have been developed (i.e. mail). But tell me the name of any Gecko project newborn in last 6 months? Or old one riched its v1.0 quality in last 12 months? Did I miss something or nobody cares about Gecko anymore?

I think that for a long term Mozilla as project is slowing down and it may eventually die. At least with its current development team.

Oh, and it works with any browser, not just IE.

There are several Mozilla extensions offering this functionality.

Check these out:
Quickprefs
Multizilla
Multizilla spoofing

There are several Mozilla extensions offering this functionality.

Check these out:
Quickprefs
Multizilla
Multizilla spoofing

There are several Mozilla extensions offering this functionality.

Check these out:
Quickprefs
Multizilla
Multizilla spoofing

Try Mozilla with the multizilla plugin. It allows you (among many, many other useful things) to turn off the referrer, fake it, or set it to the site the link points to.

For playing media there are already many solutions for all intersting platforms, and the only reason for using WMP would be for the DRM stuff...which no-one honestly likes.

I have to disagree here. My quest last week was to find a decent media player, on any platform, and I failed. The only requirement for "decent" was that it supports my needs, mainly a 100gig+ mp3 collection.

There are many "solutions" on different platforms, but they all solve the same problem. Do a search on freshmeat for XMMS. About 128 projects come back. So flip through those and you'll see what I mean. Dozens of people all built the same solution, without seeming to look at what was already out there before they went off and coded some Apache+mod_perl or Python or XMMS Plugin or whatever. There must be 40 implementations of a media player with an album/artist/song-centric interface, but none of them have an AutoDJ (ala MusicMatch) or AutoPlaylist (ala WMP9) feature, which is absolutely critical when you start pushing beyond ~20 gigs of music. When you want a new playlist for your party, being able to filter on your library by "Dance Music", "Very good or better", "Techno, Latin, or Party Rap" is incredibly useful. Maintaining playlists, and adding to them as you acquire music over time is much less worthwhile, and you have huge problems when you change the location or filename of any of your files.

I've got a little worksheet I threw together from my notes on last week's failed quest, detailing what features I think an mp3 player needs to have to handle that size of library, and an analysis of all the ways the current offerings fail. Check it out. I promise I won't say anything else until you get back.

Ok, assuming you've read that... Any good MP3 player needs to copy most of MusicMatch's functionality, which WMP9 does a pretty good job of, with a few notable exceptions. But MusicMatch isn't tenable because of its horrible library back-end DB implementation. Ugh. At least I can load all my files into WMP9, it just doesn't index them as well as MusicMatch does. Either way, both of these apps are Win only, which pisses me off when I'm on Linux. Anyone have any ideas about coding something in Mozilla's XPFE?

I wish the community had a simple mechanism for finding out what projects are already out there, and avoiding duplication of effort without meaningful contribution. I thought it was freshmeat, but apparently that doesn't work for everyone... Ironic that all the entries I read about on freshmeat hadn't seemed to do a search of freshmeat before starting their own projects...

My first reaction is.. wow.. that's a lot of.. stuff. I was expecting this keynote to be just hot air. This definitely eases the pain of Nintendo's "megaton" announcement having nothing to do with Gamecube games ^_^ But, onto my question for all you linux-at-home users out there:

Has anyone know why they chose to make Safari based on kHTML instead of Gecko? What is the reasoning here? I think i kind of just wish they'd commandeered Chimera instead, and added all those browser-ish features it was missing. If it's still missing them. I guess I'll download that again and check. Um, ANYWAY..

Why kHTML? Is it faster than Gecko, or easier to hook into, or something? I cannot really comment on this, as I'm not a big KDE fan and so haven't been following Konqueror, and I can't really comment on the speed of Gecko sans Mozilla since i haven't checked out Chimera since v0.1, and can't get Galeon to work*. What's up with this? It seems it would make more sense for Apple to throw their weight into Mozilla, but i can't really come up with any good justification why I'm saying that.

Whatever. Might as well check this Safari thing out and see if it's any more fully-featured than Chimera and any better at rendering standard webpages than Omniweb, or if i'll still be using MSIE tomorrow..

* P.S., if anyone out there can give me any tips as to how the heck to get Galeon up and running under Solaris when one is not Root, let me know. Last time i attempted i got as far as GDK/GTK+ all working and installed in my home directory and stuff, and never quite managed to get the GNOME libraries set up. Eh.. ^_^

Adding another to the list of this-has-been-done-already..

Creating application with Mozilla

Cheers,
kris

You should try out the BannerBlind extension available for Mozilla. It lets you block images by their dimensions. Works fine for me in Netscape 7.01 as well.

Well between mozilla's pop-up blocking capabilities and the Bannerblind addon. I've been browsing banner-free for quite some time.

Annotea is a W3C project. To quote from the site:

Annotea is a LEAD (Live Early Adoption and Demonstration) project enhancing the W3C collaboration environment with shared annotations.

It provides annotation capabilities for HTML documents, and maybe XML documents, delivered in a web browser or similar UA.

Anonzilla is a project for providing Annotea capabilities for Mozilla. Check it out!

HTH
/mike

Mozilla uses XML (XUL and XBL, actually) and JavaScript to build its UI.

I'm just getting started in Mozilla XPFE application building, and curious whether the Perl interface that's constantly referred to in the Oreilly book as "almost ready" is an actual replacement for javascript (yet). Anyone know? thx

Mozilla uses XML (XUL and XBL, actually) and JavaScript to build its UI.

I'm just getting started in Mozilla XPFE application building, and curious whether the Perl interface that's constantly referred to in the Oreilly book as "almost ready" is an actual replacement for javascript (yet). Anyone know? thx

It will then be implemented within 2 months, I'm sure about that.

This is a joke right?

It has been in Bugzilla for as long as I can remember. There is the mozscroll project to implement this functionality, but it's progress has been very slow.

I was not satisfied with the time it was taking to bring middle-click scrolling to Phoenix so I wrote Autoscroll. It only took about 15 minutes to have a working implementation, although it has progressed since then. There are a few quirks that show up now and then, but as it has already been stated on here, it isn't production quality yet, but is still very usable.

I look forward to seeing what mozscroll brings to the table, but until then Autoscroll fulfills my needs and by the sounds of it, many others.

It will then be implemented within 2 months, I'm sure about that.

This is a joke right?

It has been in Bugzilla for as long as I can remember. There is the mozscroll project to implement this functionality, but it's progress has been very slow.

I was not satisfied with the time it was taking to bring middle-click scrolling to Phoenix so I wrote Autoscroll. It only took about 15 minutes to have a working implementation, although it has progressed since then. There are a few quirks that show up now and then, but as it has already been stated on here, it isn't production quality yet, but is still very usable.

I look forward to seeing what mozscroll brings to the table, but until then Autoscroll fulfills my needs and by the sounds of it, many others.

Look at Recall. Also, there are plans to include automatically saving the current tab session continuously with MultiZilla.

Look at Recall. Also, there are plans to include automatically saving the current tab session continuously with MultiZilla.

"There's only one small problem. I really miss being able to click my mouse wheel and move the mouse up and down to scroll through the page faster."

Then you'll be wanting the AutoScroll add-in (currently still in beta). You can get it here. There's a little more information in this MozillaZine article.

I believe this will do the trick