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And actually, I'd like to see IE on Linux too. Opera [opera.com] is starting to get really good, but nothing, and I do mean nothing, beats IE with the Google Toolbar [google.com] today.

In regards to the google toolbar, easy searching functionality has been around in Konqueror for awhile. You can "create" your own URIs (or just use the set of default ones) such that "gg:whatever" will search for "whatever" on google or "rpm:whatever" will search for "whatever" on rpmfind (for me -- the default is rf or rpmfind).

Personally, I find that the interface for at least two Open Source browsers -- Konqueror and Galeon -- far surpasses IE's interface. Mozilla with the MultiZilla tabbed interface is also excellent (and IMO better than IE).

Many people also complain that IE can view everything. Unfortunately, there are some pages that are IE-specific, but I have not found too many pages that I cannot view in at least one of Konqueror, Netscape, or Mozilla. Quite simply, IE on Linux is not something I find to be necessary.

The problem is that this GoogleBar only plugs in Internet Explorer, so *nix geeks won't be able to rate sites..
Well, yes and no. There is currently a project on Mozdev that aims to duplicate some if not all of the functionality of the toolbar for Mozilla, and while the current version 0.4 is still somewhat lacking, a new version that duplicates the look as well as the major search functionality (though not pagerank etc) is on the way soon, apparently. However, since this is an independent project and not affiliated with Google, I'm not sure if it would be able to access the rating system. Still, Mozilla users DO have the toolbar, and, since mozilla is cross-platform...

Check out Chameleon Last I checked it looked quite good!

Try adding in some other Mouse Gestures. Then you can start having some more fun with the mouse buttons :-)

Yep, gotta love the tabs. You can configure the middle mouse button (or wheel) to close it. Download MultiZilla here. It's easily my fave feature over IE. Unfortunately, it appears to be broken in v0.9.6 :(

Check out http://optimoz.mozdev.org/gestures/! Installs painlessly and works well -- it might be integrated into the main Mozilla package one day. So there!

I've been thinking about this for a while, nothing frustrates me more than having windows obscured behind something else, and having to either drag the front window out of the way, or else alt-tab through everything. In a lot of ways this is what first got me hooked on linux as a desktop replacement for windows, the well developed multiple desktops system. So I can hit a key combination and cycle from one desktop to another. One has my mail and IM open on it, the other one browsers, the next nothing but terminals, and then filemanagers/xmms.

A lot of application shave taken a better look at how they're actually used. Sometimes the UI is bad bad bad (StarOffice 5.2). Other times it's really appropriate, like the tabs in galeon which are great for organizing all the browsing into different windows based on subject (for those of us that like to have 20 pages open at once. Right clicking to open in a new tab is great for s site like slashdot, K5 or Adequacy, where there might be 7 or 8 links on the main page that i want to get to, but not forget if I get sidetracked.

When I first grasped mozilla's power as a platform I had the epiphany that since 90% of the apps I ran were network based and mozilla provided an API for creating spiffy looking network applications, it wouldn't be a stretch to do everything in tabs within one maximized window, and that it could eventually function as an OS for lightwieght computers. If you type chrome://messenger/content/messenger.xul in mozilla you can get the entire mail application dropped into your browser window. Press ctrl-T on a recent build and you have a new tab to browse in, but you can switch back to your mail real fast. Add Jabberzilla to your sidebar. Throw in a few more apps from MozDev.org and you can do most of what you'd want within a single window. It's in no way complete or stable, but it's enough to shed some light on a usable way to avoid the worst of window overlap. Apparantly there is a company that's working on using mozilla as an operating environment for appliances called OEone. You can check out the screenshots of their calender application here.

We already have a modern successful non overlapping interface, and it's called PalmOS. Just as it took a limited use platform to accept "modeing", probably not a lot of desktop users will be willing to give up the poer that free windowing gives them, but for appliances, or special uses, such as subject-centered web browsing. Things like tabbing and fullscreen interfaces are a good idea, and have already been implemented.

...however, Mozilla 0.9.5 and the nightlies afterward are already far ahead. Among other things, you get tabbed browsing, the Links toolbar, and (if you download the proper add-on) mouse gesture support.

Very, very cool.

you can download a plugin to get a fullscreen view in mozilla. try multizilla.

Ctrl+Tab and Ctrl-Shift-Tab don't work under Windows 2000/NT apparently. :(

On a positive note, gestures finally installs and works for me now. :)

For all of you using the new tabbed interface of mozilla, its just a simple copy of what the multizilla guys did
[http://multizilla.mozdev.org/] This is a much better interface with many many more features. Give it a try, and report those bugs.

The installation process seems to silently fail on some versions. It did for me on nightly build 2001-10-05-03. Someone has submitted a bug about it: bug 532.

I'm curious. What's wrong with context menus?

The problem with context menus, especially since they activate on mousedown-then-mouseup (instead of just mousedown) is that they offer no muscle memory. With Netscape 4.x, for instance, the context menu activated on mousedown. That allowed such movements as mousedown - drag right - select Back - release button, all in one stroke. Now, with the contextmenu activating on mouseup (after mousedown), muscle memory no longer comes into play.

But, that's where mouse gestures come in. Sure, it may take a few minutes to learn. But, after a while, it's all second nature and you don't even need to think about it -- just like how copy-n-pasting is probably effortless to you since "your fingers" know all the right keys to press without you having to consciously think about it.

This isn't part of the main mozilla project. See the optimoz install page.

http://multizilla.mozdev.org/

It takes at most 1/10th second on Opera, for comparison, IOW, effectively instant which is how I want it.
Check out Multizilla and see how fast those tabs popup.

If you're sick of waiting and still want Mozilla try MultiZilla, it's much faster than IE at everything (well - beginning ftp is a bit screwy).

There is a project on mozdev called MultiZilla.It's still alpha and I haven't tried it though.

Keep your head up

chavo

Go to mozdev.org and install MultiZilla. It puts tabs in Mozilla.

The tabs from Skipstone! Instead of opening many windows you just used one with a new tab for each new window. Very cool even though Skip crashed a lot.

You may be interested in the Multizilla project, which aims to give a tabbed interface to Mozilla.

Alex Bischoff

Probably.

However, Protozilla is a powerful, externally-developed add-on that solves the problem and allows you to do lots of other stuff.

It's unlikely (read: not going) to get added before 1.0, but the author of Protozilla has hopes of getting Protozilla added as a standard part of Mozilla at some point (read: when he can convince the guy who'd be in charge of adding it to add it).
Steven E. Ehrbar

Try http://recall.mozdev.org, but see also http://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=36810 -- quote: "I started a project here but haven't worked on it in a while."

Some browsers (opera), recognizing the fact that crashes do happen, are now saving the window/url chain state so they can resume more or less where they left off. Mozilla isn't doing this, and should. Besides taking the sting out of crashes, it lets you shut down without worrying about losing all your windows. This is a big deal, for a small amount of programming effort.

Well, Alphanumerica (creators of the Aphrodite skin) were working on a package called 'Total Recall', which promised just that. It's now been subverted to a generic browser plug-in called Recall, available at http://recall.mosdev.org. Worth checking out!

There's a lot of cool projects being worked on at Mozdev. XUL is starting to look like a viable platform, now the spec's more or less cast in stone!

Then download some more search engines and knock yourself out. This is probably one of the single coolest Mozilla features.

This is where mozilla will really shine through. Is IE P2P capable? Mozilla certainly is. Go to http://www.mozdev.org to have a look at all the applications currently under development for Mozilla

By the time XP is released, IE6 will be included in it.

I've ignored all the Netscape 6 naysayers (because most of them don't understand what NS6 is, and it's relation to Mozilla). I know that Mozilla is a superior product. Netscape only hurt themselves when they released 6.0 as a branch from m18, instead of waiting longer.

I've read reviews of the various IE6 betas written by technically inclined windows programmers (read: non-m$ employees) that say the IE6 betas are worse than NS6, which did have it's problems. This decision may be better in the long run anyway.

I think most people fail to remember what Mozilla is. It is much more than a browser, it's an application platform. Go to mozdev.org for proof of this.

Regardless of whether or not people use Mozilla as a browser, it's an excellent idea for distros to ship it. The reason? Mozilla is an application development framework. I may prefer Lynx to Mozilla-the-browser (or any other GUI-based browser...), but that doesn't mean that I'll never want to run Komodo or any of the interesting bits being developed on top of Mozilla at mozdev. Shipping a copy of Mozilla with a distro allows the end users to take advantage of mozilla-based XP apps, regardless of whether they ever *touch* Seamonkey.

People who are not connected with Netscape can get involved in Mozilla it doesn't mean that Netscape will include it in their browser releases!

As for AOL.com telling people to upgrade to IE, well I thought it was funny, I hope they do plan to use Mozilla once their contract with MS runs out.

If I were AOL I'd sure not trust the future of my browser on MS.

The Jabber protocol is open, the server is open source and the clients can be open source, closed source freeware, commercial or whatever you want to licence them under.

Under development is JabberZilla which is going to be a cross platform mozilla based client that will offer similar functionality to the AIM with Netscape 6. Opera currently supports ICQ in their version 5 windows browser, there are people who want them to change to Jabber support. Voice your views in the opera.wishlist newsgroup (on news.opera.no).

For those afraid of the security issues associated with running CGI scripts locally -- this is a development tool only. In order for a script kiddie to misuse this, (s)he'll have to send your the CGI script in the mail, and tell you to run it for him :). Unless you're running Outlook, you're ok ;).
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I use Jabber all the time, and although it is sometimes tempremental, it saves me system resources no end. What I'm really excited about is the JabberZilla client, and the ability to access IRC thorugh Jabber, saving yet more memory! Smigs

Perhaps if you want to work on a smaller Mozilla related project check out MozDev however most of these are projects that build on top of Mozilla using XUL and js.

Alternatively why not look on a site such as sourceforge and look for a smaller open source project you can help out with.

I've created a Links Panel for Mozilla (works with nightlies, Moz0.6 and NS6) and I've wrapped up the History Panel RFE from bug 32594

Other packages/projects can be retrieved from mozdev.org and a very cool forum reader called Forumzilla

Enjoy!

Why the hell does Mozilla need an IRC client?? Whatever happened to the idea of doing one thing and doing it well? If I want an IRC client, I can find a good one that works and fits my needs!!

The IRC client was written by outside developers. There are games written using Mozilla, also by outside developers. Are you going to complain about that, too? If you don't want the IRC client, then don't install it, just like you wouldn't install an IRC client on your system if you didn't want it.

> It's relatively hard to load up a news reader to comment on an article rather then just type something into a comment box and press "submit"

That's ridiculous. Iyou're reading a UseNet article, you've already GOT a news reader loaded up to read it. All you have to do is hit whatever letter (or click) to start a reply, click when done.

The interface for reading articles in a well-designed newsreader is about a zillion times better than ANY web-based discussion board interface I've ever seen, and that definitely includes Slashdot. It's a pathetic way to do this. But, there is hope on the horizon in the form of ForumZilla.

Using a webbrowser to read a discussion (whether it's reading a usenet article, or reading a webboard like Slashdot) is about as smart as using a webbrowser as your one and only FTP client. The interface is not designed for, and is definitely NOT optimal for the task at hand. Unfortunately, Slashdot isn't a newsgroup. :(

alt.slashdot.misc - Yeah!
maybe soc.news-nerds-stuff-that-matters.slashdot.misc

that's what XUL is all about. you can tweak-n-change mozilla's (or ns6.0) user interface (almost) any way you want. of course it may require a bit of work from you, but the level of your control is uncomparable to other browsers. have you looked at aphrodite? visit http://mozdev.org/ and you'll see how it can be tweaked.