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Re:Old Look?
The quickest way to make your extensions work with the new versions (without having to edit anything) is to use the Nightly Tester Tools:
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Re:Until they bother fixing critical bugs...
Agreed. You should all note that if you're using Linux and your $HOME directory is mounted on CIFS, your profile will NOT load.
Despite the fact that this works on Firefox 2, my request for this bug to block Firefox 3's release was denied because "it wasn't a regression from Ffx 2." (Which, clearly, it was.) -
Re:Until they bother fixing critical bugs...
> https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=235853
"Bug 235853 - [PAC] Defer proxy resolution for HTTP and HTTPS PAC to avoid blocking main thread during DNS resolution"
Uh... real show stopper there, pal. Still rocking the web with Lynx?
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Re:Firefox is starting to give me the shits- New versions force you to use new features without providing functionality to back it out even when the user wants it. Eg. The new supercoolsearchbar garbage. I don't want my browser looking though my bookmarks when I type a URL but I don't mind it searching history that clears itself regularly. https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/6227
Or type to addressbar about:config and search "browser.urlbar.matchOnlyTyped" and set it as "true" -
ext3 system freeze bug fixed
RC2 fixes the really annoying bug 421482 (Firefox 3 uses fsync excessively) which however is arguably not Firefox 3's fault.
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Until they bother fixing critical bugs...
..that have been around for years such as this one:
https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=235853
Then I won't hold my breath for this release to me any more reliable or stable than any other from the last N years. Its about time they stopped doing a Microsoft and dicking about with "coooo , its so preeetty" UI stuff and bloatware functionalty that no one needs and starting fixing bloody bugs!
Yeah mod me down fanboys, see if I care, I'm just a user ,what do I know. -
Re:Old Look?
Firefox 2.0 Classic theme works great but to use it you have to:
-Register and log in to Firefox Addons
-Attempt to override the version check and install the theme
-Go to your %appdata% just after it fails and look for the temp XPI that it downloaded
-Copy it to the desktop and extract it with winrar
-Change the RDF file's <maxversion> to * or 3.0RC2 or something
-Zip the files back up, normal compression, rename to xpi
-Drag the file off the desktop into your firefox window to install! -
I'm excited about changeset 15261:49cdeb4f8144
Just earlier today I was exhilarated to hear about changeset 15261:49cdeb4f8144.
Words cannot even begin to describe the anticipation building around the next changeset that will be made to Firefox. Hold on very tight everyone, the next one is going to change the world in ways you never imagined! -
Re:The market did wake up. M$ is Over.
Firefox is funded by their advertising revenue from Google. If you look at their accounts, they are actually pretty profitable.
http://www.mozilla.org/foundation/documents/mf-2006-audited-financial-statement.pdf
At 2006 (2007 is not published yet):
Surplus for the year $28m, total unrestricted funds $58m. -
How easy is it to embed?
I'm looking at embedding an ECMAScript implementation into a project. SpiderMonkey has pretty complete API documentation at http://developer.mozilla.org/en/docs/SpiderMonkey.
Is there anything similar for SquirrelFish? In particular, anything on running the same interpreter in several threads, and tips on when and how to schedule garbage collection? -
User Agent Switcher
User-Agent-Switcher anyone? Just a thought.
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Re:Have they made it multi process yet on unix?
The DNS lock-up issue has been around for a long long time now. The issue is most noticable when you use a PAC file for proxy configuration (as is necessary where I work).
Firefox 3rc1 appears to have somehow made this problem even worse, now clicking on any link whose domain hasn't previously been cached by local DNS will hang the entire application for a matter of seconds.
For reference here is a BugZilla reference, note that issue is now 4 years old. -
Re:Time to Celerate!Be sure to pick up something from the Mozilla Store! http://store.mozilla.org/
I would buy (my gf wants a plushie), but they don't ship to the UK
:(They're missing an opportunity - I imagine other folk would buy too.
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Re:installation (and 'since correctly changed'?)
Firefox CCK Wizard.
Based on the same idea of the Client Customization Kit from the Netscape days. -
Run everything in Javascript!
Yay! With Tamarin now we can all ditch Apache and go with the Firefox Plain Old Webserver extension....
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The real question is....
...how does this compare to Tamarin? With Javascript running for longer periods of time, a runtime-optimizing JIT seems to make a lot of sense. SquirrelFish's optimized bytecode engine sounds interesting, but I can't help but feel that it's going to fall short in the next-gen race for Javascript performance.
Of course, anything that improves JS performance in browsers (making some of the libraries faster and/or hardware accelerated always helps... hint, hint!) is a win for the consumer. And from that perspective this sounds very interesting. :-) -
Re:It's an "older" technology
That's what this skin is for. There is another one that looks like IE7.
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Time to Celerate!
Be sure to pick up something from the Mozilla Store!
http://store.mozilla.org/
I got me one of these: http://store.mozilla.org/product.php?code=MZ34014&catid=10
Wish I got paid for product placement in my comments... -
Time to Celerate!
Be sure to pick up something from the Mozilla Store!
http://store.mozilla.org/
I got me one of these: http://store.mozilla.org/product.php?code=MZ34014&catid=10
Wish I got paid for product placement in my comments... -
Simple Solution
I'm really surprised someone hasn't posted this already, but use Firefox and the NoScript plugin.
It blocks all ad content from being downloaded, I use it to speed up my horribly slow internet connection. -
linkifier
Hi, sorry, I was teasing you. You pasted a URL, but did not make it a link. Do you perhaps have a linkifier? Because, not everyone does.I'm clicking on your link, but nothing is happening. Am I doing it wrong?
I click the link and it DOES bring up the page.HEY! Thanks for that! I just recently stopped making an explicit link in posts here because they seemed to automagically turn into a link anyway. I just figured it was some
/. feature. No idea how long it'd take for me to discover it was my linkification Firefox addon unless you had pointed it out! Thanks again! -
Re:interesting for firefox & linux users
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Re:followed by most rollbacks to version 2...
Here's a page that tracks add-on compatibility: http://people.mozilla.com/~polvi/threedom/status-bars.html . Note the "bug" links, which send you to bugs tracking the status of the most popular add-ons. I found it interesting that Firebug incompatibility is actually blocking the final public release of Firefox 3! (See here, note the "blocking-firefox3" flag.) I think they're being quite careful with making sure the most popular add-ons are available.
There could be a bit of a "long tail" problem, though. There is a huge number of smaller add-ons which should strive to be compatible at release-time, too. -
How long does this review take?The correct way to write a pluign is to submit it to Mozilla for review. In that case, I assume the
.exe method short-circuits having to register at addons.mozilla.org to download a sandboxed add-on or having to wait several months for an editor to review each version of an add-on and promote it from the sandbox. -
nice, bot too early
I'm waiting for Canvas3D to stabilize. Currently there is an Opera build http://my.opera.com/timjoh/blog/2007/11/13/taking-the-canvas-to-another-dimension for Windows and Mozilla has an extension https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/7171 Google should better invest more on that Mozilla Canvas3D extension.
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whitelistingWho makes a Firefox plugin that's an
.exe file? Seriously, Google needs to read the how to page and follow the standards. Installing Extensions and Themes From Web Pages mentions something about the install method of an InstallTrigger object. In turn, that method's documentation mentions something about a whitelist. I assume the .exe method short-circuits around having to get the user to add each site to a whitelist through a (scary?) alert box. -
whitelistingWho makes a Firefox plugin that's an
.exe file? Seriously, Google needs to read the how to page and follow the standards. Installing Extensions and Themes From Web Pages mentions something about the install method of an InstallTrigger object. In turn, that method's documentation mentions something about a whitelist. I assume the .exe method short-circuits around having to get the user to add each site to a whitelist through a (scary?) alert box. -
Re:FINALLY! an UMPC with = 1024 x 768 screen
How to remove "impossible-to-remove" toolbars: http://lifehacker.com/software/firefox/geek-to-live--consolidate-firefoxs-chrome-210542.php
Or, to get more space: https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/307 -
exe?
Who makes a Firefox plugin that's an
.exe file? Seriously, Google needs to read the how to page and follow the standards. -
Re:FINALLY! an UMPC with = 1024 x 768 screen
lkcl meet littlefox. Littlefox, lkcl.
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Here's how they can make that argument work
If Microsoft can figure out how to tied the developers' futures to the success or failure of a software package, then they can get that argument to stick.
Right now, most developers make their money on salary. If the project, or the code base, or even the company they work for goes belly up, they just go get another job making a salary. Case in point, most open source developers get paid to develop or at least contribute to the open source code base (myself included).
To be clear, this would probably involve a payment structure that includes some kind of royalty payments, which would bring a lot of risk for the developer. Great developers don't tend to be great business men. I don't see things changing, so this argument that Microsoft folks always drag out just isn't going to stick (and hasn't stuck).
What's more interesting is that there is no reason Microsoft could not start taking advantage of all the great Open Source software out there - except GPL in many cases, though they could use it in some, and LGPL is certainly on the table - JS2 support in IE anyone? I don't see why not. Even if they don't like the tech, there is no reason not to deploy it as part of their browser. -
Re:I'm not committing to anything.And the new look is just uglier. Then get oldbar.
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Cubans have pledged
I see 16 Cubans have pledged. I thought there was a restriction on encryption (SSL) to countries like Cuba. The page referenced has a paragraph title "Export Control Notice".
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Re:followed by most rollbacks to version 2...
I just wish someone would update Slashdotter. Between Firefox 3 and Taco feeling the need to change Slashdot's layout on a daily basis, Slashdotter has become flaky as hell.
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Flashblock
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Re:If you can listen, you can save
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Re:If you can listen, you can saveIf you can listen, you can save, and it won't be long before a hack for that is posted on slashdot.
...or a Firefox Addon. Come to think of it, there may already be one... (well, you'd probably have to modify it a bit to grab just the audio...) /P -
Re:Not our experienceYet, isn't. In the real world, people do not magically know what they have to do. They do things when asked to do them. Another reason for Mozilla to put on the big boy pants and improve their administration of their project. The Mozilla Corp/Foundation is made up of people. People just like us. I don't know about you, but in my professional life, sometimes I do forget to do something that someone has asked me to do. And sometimes someone else forgets to do something that I've asked them to do. It just happens.
After you noticed you weren't acknowledged as a contributor, did you say "hey, we're missing from the credits; here's a patch to fix that"? If not, what are you complaining about? I don't care if you think you shouldn't have to do this. An oversight happened, and if you don't even point it out, how can you expect anyone to know about it? Perhaps you should put on your "big boy pants" and learn how to communicate with people in the real world.
Also, as roca pointed out above, the parts of your patch that were accepted made only 25% of the original patch redundant, not 80% as you claimed. Why should we take you seriously if you're going to grossly exaggerate the facts?
It's a big project, and their priorities may not necessarily match with yours. If the feature you submitted was a "nice to have" feature but not something on the roadmap (or even was on the roadmap but not a "must have" feature), it's no surprise it wasn't given 100% attention, especially considering it looks like it was within a few months of feature freeze when the bug was opened.
I'm sorry you don't think your experience was that great, but it looks like you also did nothing to try to resolve the issues you had, and failed to take into account the fact that the people working with you also had other things on their plates. -
sample bug report
"It's starts with having visibility throughout the breadth of your organization." And that visibility, he said, should extend to the open source contributors. According to Shaver, the ability for users to see bug comments, the history of the code and the rationale behind the decisions that were made is a huge part of the process.
Such as the openness exhibited in this bug report #243740?:>>> Prognathous:
"Bug 203960 ("Make bookmark groups conditionally replace existing tabs instead of appending") was initiated with the following premise: "From a usability study we've learned that users find it confusing that bookmark groups open in additional tabs instead of replacing the existing set of tabs."
Despite numerous requests, these usability studies were never attached, linked or even named. It is time to re-evaluate this proven dataloss inducing default. This bugs asks for two things:
1. That the so called studies will be brought forth for public evaluation.
2. That, if indeed Replace Tabs isn't based on solid research, it will be backed out from Mozilla or at least won't be the default setting.
I'm cc'ing others who requested access to the studies and were ignored."
And>>> Bob Rusbasan:
"...this bug / design decision is a complete embarrassment for the Firefox project. I don't know if the studies were real, informal "hey Joe take a look at this" kind of stuff, or complete make-believe. What I do know is that this has been an open issue for four years, and it's completely ridiculous. When this was done in the Mozilla browser, when people complained they were told that it was being made an option. And so it was...but then the Firefox project took over and reverted to the bad old behavior. At least it can still be modified with about:config, but that's just pathetic." -
Re:"Awesome" Bar
No, it was removed in 3.0b3. The problem is that it is not available through about:config or any other option. You can install Oldbar extension, but it only changes appearance of the address bar, not the sorting algorithm. You will still have results from your bookmarks and random pages.
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Re:The prefect blueprint?They kept a lot of the good ideas from the Netscape era... I wish they'd kept the good idea of leaving a half-loaded image viewable when it's Stopped, instead of blanking it out (Bug 58880). If Firefox had the same boneheaded behavior for Stopped web pages, it never would've gotten anywhere.
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Re:OT: The Damn Comment Container Bars Are Gone?!?Does that mean they are gone for good? I sure as hell hope so! I played with the CSS, and found that they are really kinda helpful if set to 1px. 4px was just horrible. Have you tried removing them with Stylish?
I use it to fix the ugly fonts and screwed line-height here, it works really well.
And you're right - it is much better at 1px. :) -
Re:Not completely wasted...
It should. I'm a Thunderbird user. I still don't open dubious emails because remote code vulnerabilities are found ThunderBird. It's just good practice not to open suspicious emails "Your Bill - Email size 2.6MB from bill@yahoo-inc.com" is pretty suspect, why risk it when you don't have any paid yahoo services?
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Re:Nightly Tester Tools
This addon lets you selectively override addons' compatibility, among other things.
I do use NTT, but I don't like it for addon compatibility. When you use NTT, it edits the version number listed in the addon. It spoofs the author stating that the extension is compatible. Its compatibility setting is simply changed to state that it supports the current version.
When you use the extensions.checkCompatibility option, it simply overrides the function that automatically disables old extensions. Setting the option adds a warning banner to the top of the Addons window stating that checking is disabled and that some extensions may be incompatible. Old addons are not automatically disabled, but they do show the warning exclamation icon and state that they're not compatible. If you do find an extension that causes major problems, you can manually disable it while still using this setting to allow other old addons to run.
The about:config option disables the built-in protection and lets you decide for yourself if you want to run unsupported addons. NTT hacks an addon to get around the built-in protection. I very much prefer to know that the addon is working because of a workaround, as I'll tend to look more for an upgrade or replacement, which probably has other fixes or features as well.
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Re:Finding out incompatibilities in advance?
Check the extension's listing on addons.mozilla.org. The site checks what version of FF you are using, so if you're browsing with FF3 and you look up an extension that hasn't been updated, it'll say "this add-on is for older versions of Firefox".
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Re:A bit less strict disabling rules, please
There is a goal inside of Mozilla not to break extension compatibility for minor releases, and the documentation on their website suggests using maxVersion of the form 2.0.0.* for Firefox 2:
http://developer.mozilla.org/en/docs/Updating_extensions_for_Firefox_2#Step_1:_Update_the_install_manifest
For Firefox 3, they suggest moving to the form 3.0.*:
http://developer.mozilla.org/en/docs/Updating_extensions_for_Firefox_3#Step_1:_Update_the_install_manifest
So no, devs aren't breaking any rules when they mark their extension as being forward compatible. -
Re:A bit less strict disabling rules, please
There is a goal inside of Mozilla not to break extension compatibility for minor releases, and the documentation on their website suggests using maxVersion of the form 2.0.0.* for Firefox 2:
http://developer.mozilla.org/en/docs/Updating_extensions_for_Firefox_2#Step_1:_Update_the_install_manifest
For Firefox 3, they suggest moving to the form 3.0.*:
http://developer.mozilla.org/en/docs/Updating_extensions_for_Firefox_3#Step_1:_Update_the_install_manifest
So no, devs aren't breaking any rules when they mark their extension as being forward compatible. -
Nightly Tester Tools
This addon lets you selectively override addons' compatibility, among other things.
This extension adds a few extras useful to those that regularly test nightly builds of Firefox, Thunderbird, Sunbird and Toolkit Seamonkey (Suiterunner).
The following is a brief list of the extension's features, for the full set of features please visit the extension home page.
- Extension compatibility fixing
- Titlebar customisation
- Build ID retrieval
- Screenshots
- Breakpad information
- Restoring tabs from previous session
- Leak log analysis
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Use Nightly Tester ToolsSee here. I've been using it with no problems for B4,B5 and RC1. The only problem I have here with RC1 is with AVG 8's safesearch.
Right now the only thing that (was, is?) giving me grief on RC1 is the blasted urlclassifier bug which thrashes the hell out of the hard disk (but that seems to be better now I've had RC1 a few days).
Andy
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Why are we trying to promote python?
He doesn't need python. He just needs a database. He can download a precompiled binary for windows that allows one to work with the database at the command line. Python is not necessary.
And if the command line is too much, as others have noted there is already a convenient firefox extension for graphically interacting with a sqlite database.