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Does it bother anyone else that the first advisory they post is set for November 9th, the same day as the Firefox release, and is for the Microsoft Internet Security and Acceleration (ISA) Server?

Me thinks an update to the firewall... Block all outbound access for process firefox.exe...

CrossOver Office Office runs just fine on Linux when you HAVE to have that Access database... otherwise, OpenOffice and Ximian Evolution [with optional Exchange connector...] works wonderful. AAMOF, I use OpenOffice on Windoze and Thunderbird to save that $550.00 per 10 computers.

and you wonder why mozilla became the bloated pig it is now, infact it was so bloated Firefox came into being, and you want to add Torrents or whatever the current p2p fad of the month into it natively ?
sorry dood but you suck

if you really want to add BT into it, create an extension plugin and use that, and leave the moz team to fix bugs instead of adding svg/p2p/ABC/XYZ crap

lets keep the bloat out of the browser FFS, feature creep is a bad enough problem as it is in open source without adding more shit to it as standard, firefox is a web browser, lets keep it that way

It should be noted that, if like me, you are a user of the mozilla calendar extention, you are hosed if you upgrade right now. Wait for the extention to catch up with the release build or be sorry.. like me. :(

... .csv is not good enough for an address book anymore. There are too many fields (many of which won't be used for all entries) so viewing your book as a spreadsheet becomes tedious. Plus, there is no way to store picture information in a .csv file....but I wish the three would get together and hammer at a way to have a really powerful address book standard

Sunbird doesn't integrate with Thunderbird, since it is a standalone-solution. However, there is a calendar extension (based on the Sunbird code) for Thunderbird and this extension integrates fairly well with Thunderbird.

Check it out at mozilla.org.

Let's quote that:

If you do not want to use CVS, you can download a source tarball for the latest 0.8 Milestone.

Yes, that is a link to the source for 0.8 (as they say), not 0.9 (which is what we're looking for).

I guess, this being an odd-numbered release, we get to wait an extra month for the source release ...

BTW, I *did* check the mirrors for 0.9 for source before posting, and no, there isn't any source tarball for 0.9 anywhere yet.

So, seems even the projects page isn't for redistributors ;-).

Where's the source???? Sorry, but every other application is only considered released when source is available ...

Then what is behind the "source tarball" link on this page? The "products" page is designed for end users, the "projects" page for developers and redistributors.

I'm very sorry to say that I've seen my share of bugs in this program, although I trust it very well with newsgroups and RSS feeds. Check out Bugzilla if you want details on the existing bugs.

For those who like to live on the bleeding edge Firefox 1.0RC2 is available.
Get it while its hot!

This should be the last release candidate [RC] before the big 1; because in theory all the bugs should have been ironed out in this RC, but, nonetheless, Mozilla.Org is asking users who want to beta-test to download it and, in particular, check for bugs in these areas in RC2:

• authentication (especially over SSL)
• extension installation via update.mozilla.org and other sites
• MacOS X builds
• the new re-implementation of software update.

Some non-English RC2 builds are avaliable too according to Mozillazine. (Where are they?) For more info check out Ben Goodger's (lead developer's) blog.

For the rest of us, 1.0 final is supposed to be coming out in less than a week--then we can all party ;-).

Here's the obvious, but missing link to the Thunderbird homepage.

I think the next important step for Thunderbird would be to allow it to be installed (via extensions and such) as a full PIM suite. Calendar, address book, etc. are features people look for, and if these were available, Thunderbird would start converting Outlook users at the same rate Firefox is converting IE users.

Adding in the existing Calendar extension would be a good start. Adding in connectivity to an standards-based open source groupware server would create the end-to-end solution we've been looking for all these years.

Wow... the irony. Slashdot is talking about standards. Isn't it about time that /. itself should be standards compliant?

BTW, to make this comment on topic, the slideshow looks pretty decent, but I wouldn't consider this ground breaking stuff. Eric Krock (netscape technology evangelist) was doing these sort of presentations in the 1998/1999 timeframe.

This is because their DNS are unbelievably broken.

They use to discard IPv6 queries instead of replying "unknown resource". So your browser needs to wait for a full timeout before it can try IPv4.

$ time -p dig ad.doubleclick.net IN AAAA

; <<>> DiG 9.2.2 <<>> ad.doubleclick.net IN AAAA
;; global options: printcmd
;; connection timed out; no servers could be reached
Command exited with non-zero status 9
real 16.10
user 0.01
sys 0.01

Mozilla had to resort to an evil hack just for taking care of those fools.

I haven't seen a doubleclick ad in well over two years now! Thank you Firefox and thank you Adblock!

I haven't seen a doubleclick ad in well over two years now! Thank you Firefox and thank you Adblock!

And then while they might insist this is "just orange", what they did pick looks awfully similar to a red flag, raising the specter of all the atrocities that have been committed in its name. BTW Mozilla ditched the red star for this very reason. Neutral? Inoffensive? How "good" intentions often go terribly wrong (if the ones you name ever really were more than epitomes of "political correctness")... And moreover, this one's already taken.

Did you ever try http://bugs.debian.org? Debian had a sophisticated bugtracking system even before Bugzilla was developed. Bug submitting is as easy as "reportbug PACKAGE" on the command line, and it leads you through much of the workflow involved in doing proper bug reports (e.g. it adds the relevant versions of depending packages automatically).

On the other hand, I always found bugzilla a pain to browse and use. You often need to know way too much about the system in order to search for bugs or to submit bugs (just have a look at Bugzilla's bugreporting system itself to see what I mean). In Debian, you just enter the package name and get a simple-but-straightforward list of bugs structured in categories of importance.

Sebastian

My fiance and I have replaced MS Office with Open Office, Outlook Express with Thunderbird, Internet Explorer with Firefox, etc.. All of which *also* run on linux.

Once I can fulfill my computer needs on Linux I'll switch (yes gaming=needs).

Until then, I'll tweak WinXP to my liking and make good use of my firewall and antivirus software.

I use the Sage plugin for Firefox and I like it quite a bit.

Thunderbird. Top class email client, with a nice and simple rss reader in there. Was introduced in 0.8 IIRC.

My understanding is they're pushing Firefox/Thunderbird (and perhaps Sunbird eventually) because they want to move away from the complex all-in-one swiss-army knife of a browser. Firefox's UI is much more simple and streamlined than Mozilla's, so it's naturally going to be the horse they're going to back when they advertise to Joe User. The separate application approach also makes more sense in terms of development and debugging. When you have 5 different applications under one roof and bugs start cropping up, weeding problems out becomes a much more complex task.

Now from what I understand, the Mozilla suite won't be entirely phased out. if you look at the roadmap it states they will continue to update and support the Mozilla browser suite (codenamed Seamonkey). They understand they still have Mozilla customers, and they're not going to leave them out in the cold.

But in terms of attracting and maintaining a new mainstream userbase, they know Firefox is a better solution in the long run.

>> Or do we have to all buy XP and apply SP2 for us to brwose safely?

Just download Browse Safe 1.0

Although this specific campaign is over, you can still donate to the Mozilla Foundation at:
http://www.mozilla.org/foundation/donate.html
in any amount you choose...

You're right that the money cannot be simply given to the developers as many people donated specifically to have their name associated with this ad. However according to the faq, there is room for some of the money raised beyond the cost of the ad to goto their PR firm, other firefox launch related costs, and then possibly to developers.

Marketing is important when your goal is to profit. In fact it's crucial. But the goal of the mozilla foundation is not to profit. That's best left to Netscape.

If your goal is to encourage people to use firefox, then microsoft fixing their browser is about the worst thing that can happen. It would encourage everyone you spent tens of thousands of dollars converting to firefox to switch back. Quickly you decend into a marketing battle, which mozilla simply does not had the funds to fight.

And I am certainly aware of microsoft's campaigns against linux and apache. To my knowledge they have not targeted firefox or mozilla specifically. In my opinion, an ad campaign would make firefox a target.

bogie's quote seems to be speaking from the perspective of someone who's goal is to make money. Mozilla doesn't have any investors they need to answer to, they are next expected to turn a profit (in fact they are forbidden from turning a profit). If firefox has 10,000 users, or 10,000,000 users, mozilla is still a non-profit organization. Mozilla's mandate is not to take down microsoft, and I think that that mentality is actually counter productive to the cause. It's in the public's interest to have a diverse browser market. Competition does spawn innovation.

Don't expect microsoft to embrace competition anytime soon. Even though mozilla is not mandated to encourage competition, I would hope that they would respect that goal. A marketing campaign blasting their competitor is not in the public's interest, development and innovation is.

http://www.microsoft.com

Patch available here

Not that New York is the only place on earth I'd want to advertise FireFox

The NY Times sees national distribution. It's one of the most read papers in the country. I know that someplace on spreadfirefox.com there is a faq that explains this and also mentions that they they may advertise in other areas (ie europe) in the future as well, and I'd love to link to it but it seems to have been hit by the slashdot effect already... :) And you're right, you can still contribute. They probably raised a lot more money than they need for the advertisement here. The extra just goes to helping out in other areas. You can always donate straight money, or like you said, buy a shirt. You can also contribute by spreading the word about firefox, posting flyers, and of course by using it.

I wish it had XForms support...

Why not use Camino? It's a version of Mozilla specifically for Mac OS X and weighs in at less than 7 MB.

I agree with you, the option should be in the GUI and would require almost no work to implement it.

The config hides lots of useful options that are unchangeble through the GUI, but extensions like this can show them to the average user.

Anyone know if the Zalewski bugs (254944 et al ) are slated to be fixed before the 1.0 release?

Here's some time-saving download links!

English USA Windows - http://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla.org/firefox/rel eases/1.0rc1/Firefox%20Setup%20(1.0rc1,%20en-US).e xe
MD5 Checksum - bb0384ca19b9857041a792132c1ec60b

English USA Linux - http://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla.org/firefox/rel eases/1.0rc1/firefox-1.0rc1.en-US.linux-i686.insta ller.tar.gz

MD5 Checksum - 731dd489140f2f178647ce06112913fb

MD5 Checksums - http://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla.org/firefox/rel eases/1.0rc1/MD5SUMS

MD5 Checksum Utility - http://www.md5summer.org/download.html

Remember, checksum is just to make sure the file is what it should be and that it's OK to use, google for info. In Linux you may or may not meed a utility as most distros now have it built in.

Here's some time-saving download links!

English USA Windows - http://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla.org/firefox/rel eases/1.0rc1/Firefox%20Setup%20(1.0rc1,%20en-US).e xe
MD5 Checksum - bb0384ca19b9857041a792132c1ec60b

English USA Linux - http://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla.org/firefox/rel eases/1.0rc1/firefox-1.0rc1.en-US.linux-i686.insta ller.tar.gz

MD5 Checksum - 731dd489140f2f178647ce06112913fb

MD5 Checksums - http://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla.org/firefox/rel eases/1.0rc1/MD5SUMS

MD5 Checksum Utility - http://www.md5summer.org/download.html

Remember, checksum is just to make sure the file is what it should be and that it's OK to use, google for info. In Linux you may or may not meed a utility as most distros now have it built in.

Here's some time-saving download links!

English USA Windows - http://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla.org/firefox/rel eases/1.0rc1/Firefox%20Setup%20(1.0rc1,%20en-US).e xe
MD5 Checksum - bb0384ca19b9857041a792132c1ec60b

English USA Linux - http://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla.org/firefox/rel eases/1.0rc1/firefox-1.0rc1.en-US.linux-i686.insta ller.tar.gz

MD5 Checksum - 731dd489140f2f178647ce06112913fb

MD5 Checksums - http://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla.org/firefox/rel eases/1.0rc1/MD5SUMS

MD5 Checksum Utility - http://www.md5summer.org/download.html

Remember, checksum is just to make sure the file is what it should be and that it's OK to use, google for info. In Linux you may or may not meed a utility as most distros now have it built in.

You mentioned that you tried the plugin, but have you tried SVG-enabled Mozilla? I'm really not sure how good or up-to-date it is, but it should be worth a try, right?

Seeing as firefox is a windows app mainly they should at least make the GUI work the same way as the Windows GUI.

Take the drop down box's, click on the arrow to drop down, click on the arrow again and the box *should* dissapear. But in firefox it doesn't?!

and double click, or tripple click on text in the browser window does different stuff to IE.

I just installed 1.0PR and got everything just the way I wanted it, including a recalcitrant Java terminal emulator working. Ah, well, price of progress, and off I go to do it all again!

I just installed 1.0PR and got everything just the way I wanted it, including a recalcitrant Java terminal emulator working. Ah, well, price of progress, and off I go to do it all again!

Oh, and before you ask why it's delayed...

Same bug, comment #118:

"In theory this could land on the branch -- except there really aren't enough
people doing organized layout testing."

It now seems to implement everything that the Mozilla Browser does, and I don't really find it any faster than the Mozilla Suite, and I like the integrated mail client (which has great search, spam filtering and other facilities).

Some people object to using the suite if they don't use the mail client, but really, come on, it's taking up only a few MB on your hard disk. Get over it!

If you do use the associated Thunderbird mail client then you're actually using more memory as the GRE (Gecko Runtime Environment) is not yet sharable between different processes.

Plans like putting a full page ad in the New York Times for FireFox seem a bit crazy to me. What about the mail client, IRC client and forthcoming calendar? Advertise once there's a whole suite, and even then not in newspapers!

this dodgy website [slashdot.org]. I am using 1.0 RC1 at the moment and it often renders this site very badly, hiding the text in negative-X land.

Fixed in the trunk builds, and will therefore be in all Firefox versions after Firefox 1.0 Final.
This is Bugzilla bug #217527.

Correct url without space and clicky for lazy people is here

Here is the changelog with around 250 bugs which were fixed

Mozilla will hold firefox back. I dont see it reaching any significant levels mainly due to the continued use of radical left wing imagery. As long as things like this continue to exist, there will be many people like my self who will not use mozilla. As more people find out what mozilla is all about, the adoption of the software will be hurt.

Click here and download, if you haven't already.

You forgot chat (IRC), word processor / HTML editor, and possibly calendar ;) Oh, and call it Suite.

(Please tell me you meant this to be funny... All the mods are Interesting though.)

http://www.xbox-linux.org provides Linux for it. LinksBoks can act asa standalone browser. Or you can use Mozilla on it with Linux.

I've also seen someone have an Xbox strictely for SSH at defcon.

How much nicer would all these posts be if we had real MathML suport!!!

Here is what Mozilla is doing about it, but is any other browser supporting this [much needed!] standard?