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The feature I want most is bug 78104 (same numbers rearranged). For me, this will be the end of banner ads forever (including the ones on slashdot).

Please vote for this one. This message paid for by friends of Mozilla bug 78104.

Not if you're using DHTML. Mozilla currently has some severe issues that really should have been fixed a long time ago - for instance, Bug 78497, which prevents images with transparent areas being clipped at all. Since clipping works with opaque images you'd think this wasn't too big a problem to fix, but it's been there for well over a year now (in various other bug #'s) and still isn't likely to be addressed any time soon.

There are other proprietory tags and methods (eg, .MozOpacity() vs .filter(alpha:)) that also require code forking or prototyping to work around.

Mozilla. I use it on OS X and it works quite well, at least until more sites start requiring the pop up to load.

Konqueror displays in just about any alphabet you want except Elvish

OK, everybody with a bugzilla.mozilla.org account go vote for Bugzilla Bug 52746 - Mozilla does not support dynamic fonts and Bugzilla Bug 59611 - Add TrueDoc (or like) support to Mozilla. Without a solution to those bugs, there's no way to write text in a script that Microsoft or Apple doesn't recognize, such as the Tengwar of Feanor.

Konqueror displays in just about any alphabet you want except Elvish

OK, everybody with a bugzilla.mozilla.org account go vote for Bugzilla Bug 52746 - Mozilla does not support dynamic fonts and Bugzilla Bug 59611 - Add TrueDoc (or like) support to Mozilla. Without a solution to those bugs, there's no way to write text in a script that Microsoft or Apple doesn't recognize, such as the Tengwar of Feanor.

Your characterization of trademark has a few probems. Firstly, trademarks protect the owner of the mark from having others misuse their mark to cause a "likelihood of confusion" as to the "source of origin" of the product. One violation of this is when one tries to "pass off" a product that is so substantially similar to the authentic product, using the trademark of the authentic, to confuse the public. If there is not a "likelihood of confusion" as to the source of origin of the product, there is no trademark infringement.

This is one reason that the infringement action brought by Ford Motor Co. against the domain "fordsucks.com" fails under trademark law. Noone but a moron would possibly believe that domain points to the source of origin as being the Ford Motor Co. (Now if Ford Motors trademarked "ford sucks" for one if its products, the answer under trademark law might be different :-)

Another aspect of trademark law is that the mark is restricted to certain categories of goods and services. You can sell bedsheets and name them "Ford Bedsheets" without infringing the Ford Motor Co. trademark (unless perhaps you advertise or otherwise imply they are a good fit for the rear seats of Ford cars). Ford is "primarily merely a surname", that has acquired "secondary meaning" within the automotive industry; But Ford does not have "secondary meaning" or trademark rights in every other industry.

This requirement that the trademark applicant specify the goods and services they seek protection for is part the reason that the suit by Molson for its mark on "Canadian" for its beer against the registrant of the canadian.biz domain fails under trademark law. Another reason, in that case, is that "Canadian" is a generic term, and no one company can secure rights to a generic term for any and all uses.

As a somewhat minor point, contary to what you suggest, anyone can use a trademarked product that is authentic for whatever they want ... period. They can also "use" a knock-off product unless their use is in commerce (e.g., selling it as the authentic). Trademark law does not have a restriction on the use of an authentic item.

OK, I don't read Japanese, so I don't know what Toho is in the business of; But judging from their trademarks, it's toys and things like that. Check out what you find with a USPTO trademark search. You might be surprised at the number of "zillas" that are trademarked, and the narrow scope of Toho's trademark rights as to categories to which their mark applies.

Toho probably has the theory that having a "zilla" used with what you call a "dinosaur-like thing" is confusing as to the source of origin. Personally, I don't see how anyone would be confused that a company that makes or distributes plastic toys, comic books, posters, etc., is somehow related to the source of origin of the leading state-of-the-art browser. I also doubt that they have enforceable trademark rights on fire-breathing, dinosaur-like things per se, since marks on "drawings" are inherently weak and restricted to the particular drawing registered (unless perhaps, the drawings are confusingly similar to the marked drawing, but drawings are really the realm of copyright).

Personally, if they do go after mozilla.org, I say mozilla should tell Toho to shove it and request attorney fees, costs, and treble damages for having brought a suit in bad faith. Then again, I think that davezilla should do the same thing, but last I read he was conceding to Toho on the picture part even though his zilla looked like a scrawny runt of the litter and not a "god"zilla.

Just my 2 cents.

Mozilla's logo, eh? You mean the red T-rex dinosaur?

er... this is a krill? Nope...

Or, gee whiz, you could just use a browser that lets you block popups easily without addons.

A week or two ago we all sat around and tried to think up a name for the client; we can't call it Mosaic, because that's the name of the company [or was at the time -Erbo]. The marketroids had all kinds of silly suggestions like Cyber this and Power that and blah-blah Ware. Then someone said something about crushing NCSA Mosaic, and I blurted out ``Mozilla!'' Everyone seemed to like that, so I think that might end up being the official name of the browser.

Then, of course, when Netscape decided to go open-source, he went and registered mozilla.org to house the new project.

--oh no, there goes Tokyo, go go Mozilla. Couldn't resist, as I am listening to Godzilla from Soft White Underbelly, err, Blue Oyster Cult.

But I can!

So rather than using KDE/QT or GTK+ or Motif or whatever it is using XUL and a load of other technologies to create the interface, widgets, look and feel and whatever.

The intention is to create a relatively clear and simple user interface that can be used for key tasks but also lends itself to "kiosk" type applications - for example embedded systems such as set top boxes.

They aren't necessarily trying to come up with a completely new general purpose desktop system but one which is appropriate for a, potentially, significant niche - set top boxes, internet kiosks and so on. They hope to make money by flogging the system to OEMs

On the other hand, MacIE has incomplete support for certificates - try going to a site with a certificate from an unknown (to IE) provider in MacIE and it would not let you in (in version 5.1 and under at least).

Besides, they already have a browser product that uses Gecko - the one used by their subsidiary, Compuserve. It makes sense to migrate AOL on Windows last, since there is no pressing need.

Oh, you're using IE. My condolences.

Popups???

Didn't popups disappear from the web back around Mozilla M17 days? Isn't it silly to deprive yourself of all sorts of informative content just because your browser is dumb?

>If I buy a hard drive, or a Motherboard, or both, I can buy an OEM License for Windows 2000 at the same time for $140.

I know, that's why I said $440. Using prices the AC quoted: $300 drive + $300 in extra parts required as per specs + your $140 for a windows license. Since in Linux I only needed to buy a drive it was $300. But in windows the AC says I will need $300 in hardware, and obviously you must license the machine. Total: $740, or a $440 difference between me using that burner in windows, or using it in Linux.

BTW: You do realize that the OEM license has the following limitations:

- Absolutely no support from M$. Microsoft can stop updating the day you buy it and you can't even phone and complain.
- It is only good for the machine you buy it for. Moving it onto any computer in any way violates the license.
- Can only be installed legally on a complete new system. Which means that I can't buy it along with those parts if I want to be legal.

It would be pointless to buy a windows license if I were to install it illegally. Yes, I can provide proof of the above.

The full version of windows XP professional (and I assume 2k) is $300, which is the only version I could use (apart from XP Castrated Edition, which I have and want to punch through a wall now that I see I can't even use my Samba Domain server. Why does M$ want to limit the security of home users _so much_?).

But, because $600 extra for using my burner in windows is extreme, I thought I'd be nice and say I'd buy castrated windows XP OEM for $140.

>Is there a broken X11 calculator that some of you use when pricing up Microsoft OEM products?

I dunno, did IE mangle my post or the ACs post on you? If so, sorry! You might want to try Mozilla.

What does it matter? Anyone using Mozilla can't register with Hotmail or Passport anyway. Go ahead, click on the register link.

Microsoft® .NET Passport no longer supports the Web browser version you are using. Please upgrade to a current Web browser, such as Microsoft Internet Explorer version 4.0 or later, or Netscape Navigator version 4.08 or later.

But I don't want commercials poping up while I work, it's bad enough while I'm surfing the web..

Time to invest in a real Web browser then, tryMozilla

It free of charge.

Oops! Well, it might not increase the sales of Linux the tiniest bit - but on the other hand it will give you higher productivity.

Have fun and surf - without annoying pop ups ads

It was a joke, dude. I actually did purchase a copy of Delphi 4 Professional. But then I got a new job a few years back, primarily to do Delphi development, so now I just use one of my company's licensed copies. I believe in paying for commercial software if it is useful (eg., UltraEdit), just like I believe in using free software if it fills a need (eg., Mozilla).

i thought you could define your own style sheets using galeon? maybe it's just mozilla though.

look for this file: userContent.css
or look here for a start

Again my comments were directed towards development. Not reviewing the project manager's documents, browsing /., or reading email. Yes these are part of a developer's day, but have very little, if anything, to do with actual development. If you really think that they have something to do with it, I would guess you are their manager.

You can set Mozilla to block cookies by default in Preferences -> Privacy & Security -> Cookies.

For more information, see Using Privacy Features from mozilla.org.

I have one word for you: Mozilla. One option under Mozilla allows you to disable popups; that alone is sufficient justification for switching from IE. Yes, it doesn't have some of the system integration that IE has, but it's a better browser overall.

Native widgets should always be used. Always.

This is what they tried to avoid at the early design stage of mozilla. The early developers HAVE tried the native widgets path and got fried, and wanted to make things better and the code more maintainable. Well, it took them quite some time and the performance will never match that of native widgets. The upside is that porting to newer platforms, e.g. BeOS would be much easier and faster.

Heck. Shades of "Low Level vs High Level Language" debates here. Let's not go there.

P.S. While I think skinnable mozilla turned out to be fine, I still think the skinnable GUIs of WinAmp, XMMS, the new Windows Media Player, ICQ client, etc sucks big time and the developers ought to be shot.

In MSIE, when you are done with a browser window you can close it by selecting Close from the File menu. Close is always the last item on the menu.

In Mozilla, this same gesture make the entire application quit, causing dozens of apparently unrelated windows to suddenly vanish.

Hundreds of testers were surprised and dismayed that their entire working set of windows was lost when they renamed a bookmark and then tried to close the bookmark editor.

All were basically told to piss up a rope because the concept of a global self-destruct button dangling from the bottom of every File menu (while the more commonly used Close command is buried in the clutter further up) is enshrined in some ivory tower Mozilla UI principle.

Here's hoping something like this is considered for Mozilla 2.0 (or 1.5 or something)...

That's what bugzilla.mozilla.org is for. Don't just hope, ask for it if it hasn't been reported/requested or vote for it if it has.

It's the same for IE, I don't understand why people just complain, you can report your problems and ask for fixes on... ummm... well... At least you can research the open bugs and their status on... Hey, what kind of software company is this? They don't care about their users much do they?

The major detractor was the user interface, since it didn't feel like a Windows application. This was probably due to a poor understanding by the authors of XUL.

Oh yeah, his observations are invalid because he doesn't know about XUL. You know what? Not many people know or care about XUL. What they want is a browser that looks consistent with the rest of their applications on their particular OS. Your comment is invalid.

Until this nasty rendering bug gets fixed that causes it to sometimes malfunction with my favourite online newspaper and some other sites, I won't go near Mozilla again.

[Leave it to MS to never miss an opportunity to turn a great concept on its head to leverage the rest of their product line:) The folks at MS who actually implemented the web access feature in Project must have had the breath knocked out of them at the "IE specialization".]

Nevertheless, the concept of web based project management is still a really good one. Not only for read-access to view what's going on, but also to help formulate project plans.

I prefer to spend my time programming, but have had brushes with project planning exercises and noted the dearth of good open source alternatives to MS Project (which, practically, seems to require some training in order to learn the quirks of how to use it.)

The most intriguing development I've seen is out of the Horde Project (a PHP framework for web applications).

They mention something called Nag that came out 1.0 on June 11 of this year, but I don't know what it's really like.

But I can see where having an XML database for projects that is accessed via PHP would be a good thing. That, and having some SVG enabled browsers (and server code) to create and view Gantt charts on the fly.

Since I'm throwing buzzwords and wishlists about, I may as well suggest that WebDAV would be a great part of such a tool because it would offer a good means for collaborative authoring of project plans, which is really how the best ones get done. (The worst ones are guesses and dictats that make everyone mad.)

And pop-up ads are easy to ignore.. as soon a new small window appears while surfing, I close it.

... has been around for some time now.

.. and most of banners on the same platform..
One single best download I've done in weeks.

... has been around for some time now.

Pop ups are dead! Long live Pop ups(with javascript)!

I love mozilla!
Edit->Preferences->Advanced->Scripts & Plugins->Allow scripts to: unselect "Open unrequested windows"

It still doesnt block NYT ads though :(

> Most free hosting services are plauged with crappy obtrusive ads
> and pop up/under windows that annoy me to no end.

Why don't you do something about it? Download Mozilla to get rid of everything that annoys you when performing your daily surfing.

Any decent browser nowadays can block popups while keeping Javascript enabled. Go get Mozilla, Galeon, Opera, Konqueror... the list goes on and on.

In short: Don't use IE, and you won't get popups. Your browsing experience will also be faster and more intuitive.

I've used it and it's not that great, and it is less responsive on my dual-533 than Windows 95 or Linux/ICE is on a $100 P200, or 2K/XP/Linux+KDE/Gnome on a $300 PIII/500. (Or BeOS on a P120, heh.) I've run it on two Beige G3s (a 266/224MB at work and my own 300/256; value: ~$300 according to http://www.baucomcomputers.com/ ) and it is like death, only worse. If you want a windowing UI + a UNIX CLI, get Linux or Windows+cygwin.

My first computer was an Apple II+, my second was an XT. I started using windowing UIs with a Mac, followed by Windows 3 a year later. So no, I'm not some schmuck who always used Windows, then used a Mac for 10 minutes and said "It sucks!" I started on Macs and *vastly* prefer Windows. I use 2K, OS X, and OS 9 daily.

Let me end with a link to my favorite article, which I can attest is true from daily experience. Q: What does everyone buy a computer for? A: surfing. By all means, *avoid* Macs for this. And don't respond to talk about other browsers. I've done tests and overall, they're all slower than Win or Lin. But don't take my word for it: download this, change the code to make the colors proper hex triplets (just add '00' to the end of each) and check it out yourself. Open it off the HD to remove variances due to network speed.

Some evidence: here, here and here

For some of the gory details on the GCC 3.1/Java/Mozilla incompatibilities, here's a link:

http://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=116444

http://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=141279

Reproducible: Always
Steps to Reproduce:
1.go to hotmail
2.choose create new account
3.

Actual Results: unable to sign up

Expected Results: message telling me to use netscape 4.0 or higher or IE

Sorry use this,
bug 47108

I you like Mozilla to warn you about shit html
then go and vote for bug 47108 in bugzilla.

Bug 23679 is being worked on. There is even a patch

According to the SVG project page, it won't be integrated until the licence conflict with libart (LGPL only) is resolved.

I'm sure others may have commented on this, but WHY dear god create another license, or two in this case? Netscape did this with Mozilla and is still looking for four hackers so that the codebase can be complete relicensed using an NPL/GPL/LGPL "triple license".

History of the hatred of Real: http://pms.colonpee.com/irc/realplayer.txt

I'm currently running Mozilla 1.0 with XFT (Available here: http://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla/nightly/experim ental/xft/Red_Hat_7x_RPMS/1.0/SRPMS/), and it is just excellent. The font smoothing provided by XFT makes Mozilla look just amazing. (if you've never seen it, there is a nice screenshot available here) So, here is my question:

Is there anyway to upgrade Mozilla while still keeping the XFT core?? I think even doing a rpm -Uvh will overwrite the XFT portion and give me a nice, new 1.1b with crumbly looking fonts again, which I don't want to do. If anyone has any idea on how I can do this, please let me know. Thanks!!

I can't find any information about SVG and licencing on the mozilla.org.

There is an SVG enabled build for windows, but not for Linux. If there really was a licencing issue, the windows build would not exist.

But the Mozilla for Mac OS X download is 17.4 MB (that's well over twice the size), and we don't get the option to only download or install the browser; totally uncacceptable!

Fortunately, Chimera is only 7.3 MB.

Venkman may well become a good debugger one day, but the version that comes with Mozilla 1.0 is a little more than a toy, a nice menu entry to have under "Web Development". It is absolutely unusable under real world situations. And the traditional lack of real documentation only adds to it uselessness.

Actually, the version of Venkman that came with Mozilla 1.0 had a reasonably useful walkthrough. It even shows up as the #2 result of google search for venkman debugger. I know of a handful of people who found it quite useful in Real World Situations, I suspect there were a few more that I don't know. Did you have a specific complaint?

The version that comes with Mozilla 1.1b is light years ahead of the previous version in many respects, but users may still be confused, intimidated, or frustrated by it. Try reading the FAQ (the walkthrough hasn't been updated yet.) If you still don't get it, try asking on the netscape.public.mozilla.jsdebugger newsgroup on news.mozilla.org, or the #venkman channel on irc.mozilla.org.

Right now the newsgroup traffic is so slow that the chances your (reasonable, on-topic) post will get a response are near 100%. If you opt for IRC, be patient, sometimes neither of us are listening. Stick around and you'll get a response.

At this point in the project, what I really need is good feedback from the users...

• What is confusing about the UI?
• What don't you like?
• What features are missing?
• What bugs have you run into?

Without good, constructive feedback, it's going to be very hard to take the project to the next level.

Rob.

• Improvements to Arabic shaping which result in better layout of Arabic pages on Linux and other platforms without their own Arabic support.
• A bug was fixed which caused English text in text boxes to be displayed in the wrong direction on Hebrew pages.
• The JavaScript Debugger has gone through a major development cycle. It now sports a palette of nine views which can be rearranged within the main window, or docked in separate floating windows. It is also possible to create user defined views and commands directly with JavaScript. More details are available in the FAQ, newsgroup, or IRC channel.
• Distinct window icons on MS Windows for the different Mozilla applications
• Mozilla on Linux now has Fullscreen mode. (press F11)
• All Search entry points now your default search engine.
• Improved site compatability and rendering.
• The tab bar now has a button for creating new tabs.