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By "better" you mean of course "used to it" right?
IE is not better than Mozilla/Netscape. Ok, actually it's better than netscape 'cuz Netscape sucks.
But Mozilla trashes IE (mouse gestures, tabbed browsing...etc).

How come netscape 6 is so far from the beaten path of the Dragon?

Wouldn't they also need an OS on which Mozilla-based products could run?

You mean other than all these? The most popular versions are the ones for Windows, Linux, and Mac, probably in that order.

You're right! :-)

I always feel though, that the OS's native browser (the built in one) should be good though. Sometimes I just want to get on and do work without having to get extra software. I know that's bad for the industry, etc, but c'est la vie. From experience, the later versions of Konqueror meet this requirement - being just as fast as Opera on the same system (Hmmm... Opera has definitely got an good thing going there), but I've yet to see another OS where this can be experienced. I've heard Mozilla is available for it also but don't see any mention of it on Mozilla's site (on a top of the range PC you don't tend to notice the speed differences and the UI/standards support is more of an issue)

Be has Mozilla, it just isn't considered comletely integrated yet. The BeOS branch has made major progress recently. The main reason that Bezilla hasn't been up to par is that the maintainer didn't have write access to the mozilla tree. You can read all about it here. Seeing as how Mozilla is owned by AOL, this would be trivial if AOL felt it was a priority.

The main thing that BeOS is lacking is a robust printing architecture. Even if you only consider the Open Source technology available that could remedy this shortcoming (there are about five printing subsytems available for GNU systems, various ways of handling PostScript/PDF), then there isn't much work needed to bring this up to spec. At least compared to the work needed to make a simple, complete and friendly WIMP GUI comparable to Mac OS X Aqua or Win32 WinME GUI. Even with the premptive kernel patches, GNOME and KDE on XFree86 feel downright clumsy compared to the BeOS GUI. XFree86 GUIs lack in responsiveness, consistency, and completeness (text shells are available, but superflous) compared to the BeOS gui. Which means it we be much less work for a pleasant User experience at this point in time to use BeOS over RedHat, or even Mandrake.

Just to give Linux based OSes their fair due, I must point out that it is more than feasible to run GNU systems from a CD. ZipSlack can run from a virtual partition contained in a file on a non-EXT2 filesystem, as does FreeBeOS. The Lindows distribution also uses one of these techniques, and AFAIK can run without distrbing your Windows installation. Standard AOL free-disk-in-the-mail marketing would take great advantage of a bootable AOL-OS CD, whether based on BeOS or on a Gnu/Linux OS.

Of course, Gnu has much more marketshare and mindshare, and as many others have pointed out, a behemoth like AOL/Time-Warner can buy a pre-existing company/product easier then they can build a new one. Perhaps this would be a good move for a different national ISP to consider, especially if they have ever had problems related to Microsoft.

You have a link for [the XHTML mime type]?

See Bug 94759 and Bug 65848.

You have a link for [the XHTML mime type]?

See Bug 94759 and Bug 65848.

The "Gecko DOM Reference" can be found on the Mozilla site, here.

1. Download Mozilla .97 2. Install. 3. You now have: Tabbed browsing, No IE viruses. Speed, accuracy, looks good, blocks images by site. Blocks popup Java. Is not tied to an OS. 4. Feel Sexy.

A whole bunch of pages that say if( !navigator ) { doSomeReallyCoolDHTMLStuff(); } Even though netscape 6.2 can do most of them.

These are the sites that need evangelizing to. Learn about Mozilla Evangelism, get a recent Mozilla build (mozillaZine reviewed builds are a middle ground between milestones and the latest nightly), and then begin filing bugs in Bugzilla's Tech Evangelism product.

but the DOM better be the same.

Repeat after me: "document.all" is not part of the HTML DOM.

I can't log into netscape webmail with mozilla

Have you filed a Bugzilla bug to this effect? If it's a problem with Mozilla, file it under Browser, in whatever component it looks like it's under. If it's IE-specific markup, file it under Tech Evangelism/USA. In fact, file Tech Evangelism bugs for all sites you know of that use IE-specific markup.

Well, let's see, AOL pulled Gnutella.

WinAMP sticks an AOL icon on your desktop, although it is left mostly alone, no noticeable AOL branding elsewhere. But I'd still rather be using Sonique.

Netscape. Um. Why should I use Netscape when I've got this or this instead?

ICQ, which has just recently overtaken Yahoo Messenger as the most invasive instant messenging client, with its own: Internet Explorer toolbar, Outlook integration, AOL icons in 3 or 4 different places (not optional), and a bootload of "ICQ Services" icons on the desktop.

Indeed, this is the coolest stuff on the Net.

Why? All non-slashdot images get blocked. I gotta love that "Block images from this server" function in Mozilla.

Rhino contains a Javascript API for Java.

While most web browsers were indeed designed to browse the web, mozilla was designed to not be limited to browsing the web. Each component of the mozilla browser (UI, rendering engine, javascript engine, etc) was created independantly of the other components. In fact, the glue that binds them together (xpcom) is itself a standalone component.

One of these components is a user interface language called XUL, or Cross-platform User-interface Language. Mozilla-the-browser (or Seamonkey) uses this language for all of it's UI, but don't make the standard assumption that mozilla == mozilla-the-browser. Seamonkey is merely the union of all of the modular subcomponents.

A user interface that was designed with XUL and Javascript can be indistinguishable from that of the Windows, Mac, X, or even Star Trek interfaces. (Assuming of course that it's well-written.) There need not be the slightest hint that you are not using a native interface. In the case of new appliances such as this, they are trying to create their own native interface; something unique to their box.

The advantage to using mozilla technologies for the UI is that the UI is not only easy to implement (it's xml-based), but it's inherently cross-platform. If they wish the next generation to be based on MS-Windows, and the one after that to be based on OS-X, and the one after that on HP-UX, they can do so with absolutely no effort. 0 UI redesign/porting effort. And even an extremely computer-literate person would never know the difference.

I personally expect and hope to see many more companies using this technology in the future. So in short, when you hear "mozilla-based user interface", please do not assume that it is an html-based user interface being displayed in Seamonkey. More likely than not, your assumption will be incorrect.

While most web browsers were indeed designed to browse the web, mozilla was designed to not be limited to browsing the web. Each component of the mozilla browser (UI, rendering engine, javascript engine, etc) was created independantly of the other components. In fact, the glue that binds them together (xpcom) is itself a standalone component.

One of these components is a user interface language called XUL, or Cross-platform User-interface Language. Mozilla-the-browser (or Seamonkey) uses this language for all of it's UI, but don't make the standard assumption that mozilla == mozilla-the-browser. Seamonkey is merely the union of all of the modular subcomponents.

A user interface that was designed with XUL and Javascript can be indistinguishable from that of the Windows, Mac, X, or even Star Trek interfaces. (Assuming of course that it's well-written.) There need not be the slightest hint that you are not using a native interface. In the case of new appliances such as this, they are trying to create their own native interface; something unique to their box.

The advantage to using mozilla technologies for the UI is that the UI is not only easy to implement (it's xml-based), but it's inherently cross-platform. If they wish the next generation to be based on MS-Windows, and the one after that to be based on OS-X, and the one after that on HP-UX, they can do so with absolutely no effort. 0 UI redesign/porting effort. And even an extremely computer-literate person would never know the difference.

I personally expect and hope to see many more companies using this technology in the future. So in short, when you hear "mozilla-based user interface", please do not assume that it is an html-based user interface being displayed in Seamonkey. More likely than not, your assumption will be incorrect.

You have a programming language there at your disposal!

If you stick to the latest HTML specs it wouldn't be that difficult of a task. You could probably even use Java's XML parser to do a lot of the work. You can have a look at Konqueror and Mozilla for some ideas on how to handle things if you are unsure of what to do.

Of course there is always Jazilla (Mozilla written in Java). I don't know how far along it is, but you could use it as a starting block at least.

Linux has the best web browser ever made. Mozilla does support Quicktime, just not Quicktime with Sorenson compression. And with all that money saved on buying Windows, Belgium could easily afford a copy of Crossover for each PC.

On the whole, the cross-referencing is less useful than Exuberant-etags and id-utils under emacs, but it's still pretty cool.

Doxygen can produce TeX output, however it doesn't look great, and for a project as big as Samba it can overflow internal limits in the default build of LaTeX. I'm sure you could patch it to look better.

Another weakness is that it does not know about CVS. It's nice to see the history of the code integrated with the current state. LXR will do that for you, but at the cost of a more complicated server-side installation.

--
Martin

It once affected Mozilla and once affected Netscape 4 too.

Webmail suffers from leaving delicious referers in my log files. I couldn't find any [Netscape 4 style] mailbox:// urls in my referer logs sorry, but I have seen them before.

Right click on any image... say ones produced by ads.x10.com -- or maybe us.a1.yimg.com -- or everyone's favorite ads.doubleclick.net... and then you're presented with a nice option to "Block Images From This Server". Thanks Mozilla!

Haha. I remember pop-ups. Try Mozilla.

when 1.0 comes out you can have your "for actual use" version. of course you will need to get it at mozilla.org.

BTW, this Sharp nonsense is Tech Evangelism bug 63915 at Mozilla.org.

My first response to this was "WTF? Komodo is build on Mozilla, how are they selling it as a commercial app?".. I did some digging, and here are the relative parts of the MPL (available here ):

3.2. Availability of Source Code.
Any Modification which You create or to which You contribute must be made available in Source Code form under the terms of this License either on the same media as an Executable version or via an accepted Electronic Distribution Mechanism to anyone to whom you made an Executable version available; and if made available via Electronic Distribution Mechanism, must remain available for at least twelve (12) months after the date it initially became available, or at least six (6) months after a subsequent version of that particular Modification has been made available to such recipients. You are responsible for ensuring that the Source Code version remains available even if the Electronic Distribution Mechanism is maintained by a third party.

If you look at the very bottom of this page you'll find the link to download their patches against Mozilla 0.9.5. Good luck integrating them yourself with no documentation though.

Shayne

• COM runs on one platform

You forgot iCalendar, iTIP, and iMIP.

See Mozilla's upcoming calendar client,

What Slashdot needs is a mode like Kuro5hin where you can set it to display nested for a few comments
Agreed. Configurability is good.

It might not be possible to submit the form to article.pl; check the source, does article.pl support all the parameters
Thanks for enlightening me, I'll check this out!

Several of the date formats do have the year embedded in them. I use the "%Y.%m.%d %H:%M" format, which does
Amen. Either the date format ISO8601 should be used (e.g. 2002-01-01) or something like "01 January 2002".

Another nice feature would be valid XHTML output, but I think we shouldn't expect that anytime soon!

Give it up for the monkey! Every day you must give it up

I'm excited about several potentially significant projects that may have their first "stable" releases next year. Everyone knows about OpenOffice, Apache 2 and Mozilla (I'm surprised that neither article mentioned the last two). Here are a few others:

• Subversion version control rethought, could replace CVS as free software tool of choice
• E capability secure programming
• Reptile reputation-based content aggregator

Mozilla?

Who are really holiday?
Chris Blizzard , he didnt make mozilla 0.9.7 RPMS available at usual place

And new galeon not releseased because of that.

Anti-aliasing in Linux is covered by bug 31296.

• Camera 1
  
• Camera 2

The problem with the barclaycard site is described in bug 88556. It's a problem with the JavaScript on their site.

And here it is... http://www.mozilla.org/projects/security/component s/ConfigPolicy.html

It's implemented on a per-site basis, it's just not in the User Interface yet. It's existed since at least 0.9.4.

http://www.mozilla.org/releases/mozilla0.9.4/#setp refs

On Windows, Mozilla now uses the default system cursor which can be changed from the control panel.

You can download the old cursor here.

There is a hidden preference for that. Close Mozilla and open the file prefs.js (it is located in your profile directory) in a text editor. Now add the following lines to the file:

user_pref("mail.quoted_graphical", false);
user_pref("mail.quoteasblock", false);

That should do it. See bug 83907 for making it configurable through the Preferences dialog.

Back when I gave Milestone 12 a go it really sucked balls, but it's come a long way since then. :) Now I use it almost exclusively.. almost. I also use K-Meleon for a more lightweight Gecko-based browser with some frills (and a taskbar loader like Moz ;), and OffByOne when I want a browser that works, and works blazingly fast. (though OB1 has no plugins support, javascript, java, etc.. it does do cookies tho)

A bit of warning though, Mozilla and K-Meleon loaded up at the same time will lag your system! My guess as to why is that you'll have essentially two complete instances of the Gecko engine loaded up, and they don't want to play nice together. *shrug*

Those are the ones I use in Winblows (three cheers for LiteStep!!).. in Linux I use Lynx, or I wget it and read it raw like all REAL men do!

Bug 116595 is a Tech Evangelism bug for KaZaA's bad browser sniffing.

Here's a list of some popular feature requests.

Are there any plans for quick launch option for Linux? I just discovered that there exists one for Galeon. Start "galeon -s" from your gnome sessions, and there you go ..

And one thing that bothers me always is this bug

The request for a PGP plug-in is bug 22687.

It could be bug 102156.

See bug 55583 for details.

Fantastic standards-compliant browser with excellent USER-FRIENDLY - as opposed to ADVERTISER-FRIENDLY - customization and privacy options.

Which, according to its own metrics, crashes every few hours on average. The numbers are actually somewhat low, of course, because some crashes are sufficiently serious that they don't report in to home base, and most Macintosh builds don't even have TalkBack installed.

I think what we're seeing here on /. is an artificial selection effect. Most people gave up on Mozilla a while back, and only the hard-core Open Source religionists are continuing to post their unwavering stream of rave reviews.

Lee Strauss

The strangest thing I noticed about the new Mozilla for the Mac is that it seems to be using some native widgets in the UI. Bring up Preferences and what ho, those are Macintosh buttons, check boxes, and radio buttons, not the clunky Mozilla ones. But look on a form page and you'll still see the boxy Mozilla controls.

Is there a partial adoption of native widgets in progress? Bug 112980 seems to imply so but details are scanty. The bug does not even have a description, only a title and comments.

If the Mozilla team has finally caught on to the importance of respecting platform UI standards, though, hats off to them.

Tim

`There is no "talk", there is only "bugs"!!' -- Moda, younger daughter of Yoda.

Sure, see Bug 60981 about "Multipart news messages: no combine and decode". See also,
Bug 71189 about "Ability to Decode MIME-encoded Multipart Email Messages". If you are interested in a bug then either (a) provide the code to implement the feature or (b) find [and perhaps pay] someone else to implement the feature or (c) wait patiently for the Mozilla developers to complete the work [and vote for the bug to express your interest in it's completion]. [Please, just don't add pointless drivel and whining to the body of the bug.]

BTW, you can always search bugzilla using keywords, like "multi part" to find open bugs (including feature requests) in Mozilla.

`There is no "talk", there is only "bugs"!!' -- Moda, younger daughter of Yoda.

Sure, see Bug 60981 about "Multipart news messages: no combine and decode". See also,
Bug 71189 about "Ability to Decode MIME-encoded Multipart Email Messages". If you are interested in a bug then either (a) provide the code to implement the feature or (b) find [and perhaps pay] someone else to implement the feature or (c) wait patiently for the Mozilla developers to complete the work [and vote for the bug to express your interest in it's completion]. [Please, just don't add pointless drivel and whining to the body of the bug.]

BTW, you can always search bugzilla using keywords, like "multi part" to find open bugs (including feature requests) in Mozilla.

`There is no "talk", there is only "bugs"!!' -- Moda, younger daughter of Yoda.

Sure, see Bug 60981 about "Multipart news messages: no combine and decode". See also,
Bug 71189 about "Ability to Decode MIME-encoded Multipart Email Messages". If you are interested in a bug then either (a) provide the code to implement the feature or (b) find [and perhaps pay] someone else to implement the feature or (c) wait patiently for the Mozilla developers to complete the work [and vote for the bug to express your interest in it's completion]. [Please, just don't add pointless drivel and whining to the body of the bug.]

BTW, you can always search bugzilla using keywords, like "multi part" to find open bugs (including feature requests) in Mozilla.

`There is no "talk", there is only "bugs"!!' -- Moda, younger daughter of Yoda.

Sure, see Bug 60981 about "Multipart news messages: no combine and decode". See also,
Bug 71189 about "Ability to Decode MIME-encoded Multipart Email Messages". If you are interested in a bug then either (a) provide the code to implement the feature or (b) find [and perhaps pay] someone else to implement the feature or (c) wait patiently for the Mozilla developers to complete the work [and vote for the bug to express your interest in it's completion]. [Please, just don't add pointless drivel and whining to the body of the bug.]

BTW, you can always search bugzilla using keywords, like "multi part" to find open bugs (including feature requests) in Mozilla.