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Who says the Dreamcast is dead?

Netcraft confirms it, Dreamcast is dying.

Well, somebody had to say it. ;-)

ad.law3.hotmail.com
http://ad.law3.hotmail.com was running Apache on FreeBSD when last queried at 26-Jul-2004

Also in a paper by Microsoft it clearly shows how Microsoft transferred the Hotmail site (that is the front-end servers!) from FreeBSD to Win2K (after years of failing to convert them to WinNT), but no mention about the back-end, no mention about the database, no mention about where all those mails are stored and sent from!

Unless someone from Microsoft officially states, that "no Unix-like OS is used anywhere at Hotmail", I will continue to claim Hotmail is still running FreeBSD, and I am able to prove it (thanks to Netcraft)!

Sure.
http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/today/top.avg.html
Could you point the first non-unix OS in that list? Ah, thought so. Thanks.

"Gee, Bob, we really like the way you shut down those communist open source advocates from following your own mandates. And we're pleased as punch that you've faithfully upgraded your systems every year. But the icing on the cake is how you've required the users of your system to use an MS operating system to access public data. We'd really, really like to give you a reward for your loyalty to Redmond, but you being an elected official and all, it just might not look good. Now, if your website had some advertising we could purchase... Oh, and make sure there is a closed bidding process for the advertising, so no one actually sees how much we're kicking back to you..."

The fact that the advertising is being awarding by closed bidding makes is what caused me to don the tinfoil hat and start thinking along these lines.

Look at some of the most popular sites out there:

• www.slashdot.org: Linux
• www.sourceforge.net: Linux
• www.hotmail.com: Win2K
• www.msn.com: Win2K (w/ FreeBSD backup?)
• www.netcraft.com: FreeBSD
• www.yahoo.com: FreeBSD
• www.google.com: Linux
• www.apache.org: FreeBSD (this one gets weight, I believe)
• www.oracle.com: Solaris
• www.mozilla.org: Linux

• www.x.org: Solaris
• www.xfree86.org: FreeBSD (heh)
• mac.com: Darwin & BSD/OS (some back and forth)
• www.stanford.edu: Solaris
• www.berkeley.edu: Solaris (eh!?)
• www.mit.edu: Solaris
• www.wmich.edu: Solaris
• www.gatech.edu: Solaris
• www.helsinki.fi: Solaris
• www.cmu.edu: I could have guessed...
• www.adti.net: FreeBSD (sigh)
• www.unix.org: Solaris
• www.opensource.org: FreeBSD
• www.xig.com: FreeBSD
• www.sco.com: Linux (mwahahaha)

Also see this article at Netcraft. Sure, Linux outnumbers BSD. But that's not the point. I hate to disappoint you all, but BSD is not dying.

Man, these people are complete Aholes and we need to quit paying attention to them. He is worried about GNU/Linux, *BSD and other OSS programs and applications taking over the embedded space. Thats granded he makes his money that way.

But what I want to ask this PHB is why is his own company running its website of a BSD box running apache

Yet OSS is good enough to run his web site on?

Actually, FreeBSD is increasing it's market share, as mentioned here, here, and here. You really should know a little about what you're talking about before you talk about it.

As for one BSD hating another, that is utterly ridiculous to the point that I laughed at you when I read it.

Finally, I don't know what you define as "success" but the way I see it, microsoft still has the dominant desktop operating system in both quality (IMHO) and popularity (statistically) and IMHO FreeBSD still has the upper hand over Linux in the server department. So, if you follow that, that still leaves linux behind both of them.

BSD is running on fumes of hype right now, once people wake up and realize it sucks it will be all done.

Is that why 48 of the top 50 of the longest uptime servers are running BSD?

Source: Netcraft

I haven't seen an official statement from Apple on this, but I believe OS X as we know it is possible only on a BSD foundation for legal, rather than technical, reasons. This is why--if I'm right--you will never see the OS X core moved to a Linux distro.

The GPL used by Linux is a bit too restrictive and "public" for Apple's purposes. For instance, the GPL won't allow you to modify open source code and then close the source, whereas the BSD license will. I don't have specific knowledge of Apple's decision process for choosing FreeBSD as the foundation for OS X, but I assume that at best Apple would have to walk on eggshells under the GPL, and at worst would have to completely restructure their business model.

I've seen well-known commentators make statements similar to yours, so maybe the answer is not this obvious. Anyone have the goods to confirm or refute my assumptions?

P.S.: Don't get it twisted--FreeBSD certainly has enough merits that the decision could have been based on technical considerations alone. From a stability standpoint, consider Netcraft's Uptime Survey. Of the 50 web servers with the longest uptime (time since last reboot) as of 25 July 2004, 1 runs Linux, 1 runs Windows, and the other 48 run a BSD variant. Not unassailable testimony, but still damn impressive.

Ok. Its fake. I believe that. Just one question: WTF is up with this: http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph/?host=ilovebee s.com ?

Link

Headers can be faked, OS fingerprints are a little harder. According to Netcraft, besides BSD dying, www.ilovebees.com is running on Windows 2000.

• Kerry - Linux/Apache
• Bush - Microsoft/IIS

[I'm mostly joking, but it is somewhat interesting that the two major parties don't even agree on web platforms.]

• Kerry - Linux/Apache
• Bush - Microsoft/IIS

[I'm mostly joking, but it is somewhat interesting that the two major parties don't even agree on web platforms.]

Red Hat Linux to be precise. You can apply as an admin if you want...

However, any community that does allow this, which is a factory-equipment feature in all of the major webboard packages, was at risk and most likely got hit. All it takes is one user posting an image on an infected server in a popular thread and that site would be spreading the virus to any reader who isn't running a properly protected computer.

So what popular threads were banks running that allowed customers to spread this around? What popular threads were more widely read than something like BankOne?

Pray tell, what's a "properly protected computer", other than one that runs an alternate OS, when M$ has not released a fix? Slashdot and it's community were not part of the problem because Slashdot users have enough sense not to run M$ trash outside of work where they are forced.

You blame the user post is an obvious troll. This mess is Microsoft's from server to browser.

However, any community that does allow this, which is a factory-equipment feature in all of the major webboard packages, was at risk and most likely got hit. All it takes is one user posting an image on an infected server in a popular thread and that site would be spreading the virus to any reader who isn't running a properly protected computer.

So what popular threads were banks running that allowed customers to spread this around? What popular threads were more widely read than something like BankOne?

Pray tell, what's a "properly protected computer", other than one that runs an alternate OS, when M$ has not released a fix? Slashdot and it's community were not part of the problem because Slashdot users have enough sense not to run M$ trash outside of work where they are forced.

You blame the user post is an obvious troll. This mess is Microsoft's from server to browser.

another article

So, the MCSEs listen to cheese-pop. Now I know why they run those "make a bunch of money in the computer field. No computer experience necessary. Oh yeah make a bunch of money in the computer field -- Be a MCSE -- Pay us, and they you can make a bunch of money" ads on the pop radio stations over and over again.

An interesting side note is that the one that advertises here www.computertraining.com uses Apache on Linux.

As for me, I'm a UNIX sysadmin and I like the Grateful Dead, Floyd, Zep, Beatles, Neil Young, Hendrix, Clapton, Bowie, and many of the smaller bands that play today like Leftover Salmon, Yonder Mountain String Band, Keller Williams, Barefoot Manor, moe., Bela Fleck, etc. I also dig 70s funk.

Now mod this how you please...

Likewise, if you install Apache in its default state and fail to stay on top of your patches, Apache is much less of a headache than IIS's reputation.

What I mean to say is that Apache in the worst case (aside from bad configurations, which are not ever the case by default) is more stable and secure than the most perfectly well groomed IIS install.

Frequently claims about Microsoft insecurity are attributed to its being the broadest target, and thus the most attractive and effective against which to write an exploit. That does not hold true for Apache vs IIS; Apache accounts for 2/3 of the server share (67.22%), while IIS holds a little over 1/5 (21.35%) (source).

Despite being the far minority in this category as far as deployed installations, it's still consistently the largest source of security problems.

ASP already has had such a long foothold on server side scripting

Actually, America runs Apache/2.0.48 (Solaris). Your America link goes to a parody site of the White House.

Why North Korea rules: Apache/2.0.48 (Linux/SuSE), Where as america is Microsoft-IIS/6.0

Why North Korea rules: Apache/2.0.48 (Linux/SuSE), Where as america is Microsoft-IIS/6.0

Yup - it's in Germany all right.

Try this link - it's the result of Netcraft's "What's that site running?" page.

According to it, the netblock owner is some " I/P/B Internet Provider in Berlin".

Yup - it's in Germany all right.

Try this link - it's the result of Netcraft's "What's that site running?" page.

According to it, the netblock owner is some " I/P/B Internet Provider in Berlin".

Ironic that www.sub300.com and www.sub500.com, the Linux desktop resellers associated with this new store, Run Microsoft Windows 2000 webservers.

Nope, looks like they are (or were) running Red Hat.

I'm extremely disappointed with the Slashdot editors not putting this article on the main page. This is a critical security hole in a very common tool, even increasing common on Windows machines. Why was this not on the main page, Slashdot Editors?

It's not even worthy of hosting their web site.

Many sites, like Slashdot, are running through a windows server.

Wrong

Does this mean that Red Hat, Cobalt, Debian, Suse, Mandrake and Gentoo make up only 26% of all active Linux servers and that other distros take up 74%? Or does it mean that there may be more of these servers that just don't mention what they are to the world? Either way it doesn't much matter. As many slackware users have mentionned it doesn't matter what is most popular. What matters is that the Linux market grows and grows and grows.

FreeBSD has 2.5 million sites, about a million more than Red Hat (with the usual Netcraft caveats).

There's another netcraft article tying cobalt gains to opening the ROM source.

Especially interesting in the context of the fact the product was discontinued.

1% is not really any news. Seriously, it is pathetic that /. is jumping up and down, all giddy, for one percentage point.

If you like rejoicing over a diminishing marketshare for Microsoft, then you should go here.

IIS had its record market share some time around april 2002, and has since lost about 14%, mostly to Apache.

IIS has 35% and went down to 21%, Apache had 56% and went up to 67%

sure...and type 'IIS' into the search field for worms and exploits affecting IIS.

And yes, I do remember them all getting hacked last year...do you remember MS products being hacked yesterday? the day before? the day before that?...

Nobody is saying that there is a magic server or os that can't be hacked. What I was pointing out is that just because you are popular doesn't mean that you are the easy target that receives all the attention.

Do you remember the article Slashdot posted that showed Linux was the most breached OS on the net?

Yes, and I also remember how that report was for directed attacks. That means that what was conveniently left out was the fact that nobody even bothers to direct an attack at a Windows box, you can just take them down wholesale. One attack, 10,000 machines...more bang for your buck.

And 52,131,889 web sites.

You'll probably be highest here. Linux and *BSD can't get past ~497 days (42949672.96 seconds)

The *BSD distributions generally can, but you're right that Linux typically wraps at 497 days. See this page for more details. List of longest average uptimes here. Interesting that 2 Linux boxes made the top 50 list -- I guess they patched their uptime code so it doesn't wrap?

You'll probably be highest here. Linux and *BSD can't get past ~497 days (42949672.96 seconds)

The *BSD distributions generally can, but you're right that Linux typically wraps at 497 days. See this page for more details. List of longest average uptimes here. Interesting that 2 Linux boxes made the top 50 list -- I guess they patched their uptime code so it doesn't wrap?

It should be noted that whitehouse.gov, the official site for President Bush, is apache running on linux. So in the end this is all just political propaganda, interesting but still just propaganda. Peace, Rovaedne

A good article covering this that you can point friends and contacts to is at netcraft.

Along with a good brief overview of the security concerns and warnings, it helpfully suggests that one way of getting firefox is off the OpenCD which it then goes on to explain has several other very professional F/OSS packages.

The article then closes with a teaser about moving fully over to GNU/Linux.

Or did, at any rate. For a number of years the US Army used Mac OS 9 and Webstar to host www.army.mil. Looking at Netcraft now, they've moved to OS X but are still using Webstar, which has a much lower rate of vulnerabilities then Apache.

Here's an interesting(?) review of the sites of the Presidential candidates' websites.

Here's another review and commentary about the websites, including a count of the number of errors in the HTML.

Netcraft says that Bush actually was running Apache for a while before the election, but switched to IIS by October (at the latest) and has been stuck there ever since.

The Libertarian presidential candidate's websites are running FreeBSD and Windows 2003. Interesting. :>

The Libertarian presidential candidate's websites are running FreeBSD and Windows 2003. Interesting. :>

US of A brand army.mil not as interesting as the phillipines link, it is meagre

no idea how I missed that domain extension previously, so exc-u-u-u-u-u-se me!

here ya go, direct look at some of the dudes in question.

*sigh* There is thankfully no such thing as IIS for linux. Netcraft has an explanation in their FAQ. The most likely cuplrit is if they are using akamai (which runs linux) to load balance their content.

It was less than a week, wasn't it?

Nope