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Honestly curious: in what ways do you find Chrome's user experience to be better than Opera's? I just recently switched to Opera after finally getting annoyed at all of the privacy invasiveness of Chrome, and I found that it's indistinguishable from Chrome in the vast majority of cases once I installed Install Chrome Extensions and added all of my important Chrome extensions back that I had been missing.

Wow welcome to 2011 Firefox :: Dev.Opera — Autoplay, Go Away!

Back before Opera became a useless Chrome clone, and had preemptive JavaScript.

now if I can find a way to share bookmarks that will operate in the office I'll switch completely.

Google isn't the only one offering this. Perhaps your office permits using Firefox sync or Opera sync?

Other browsers (i.e. Opera) feature built-in ad blockers just like this. Chrome must compete. They're doing pretty well, having captured the majority of the market, but one does not stay in the lead by standing still.

Also, by making this feature optional and culling the most obnoxious and egregious ads Google alleviates some of the friction from their users. Most slashdotters are probably already using an ad blocker and blocking all ads by default. I started using an ad blocker because of auto-playing video ads and other obnoxious time wasters that I kept running into.

Ad blocker usage seems to be increasing. Building this feature into Chrome allows them to help control ad blocking-- block the most obnoxious stuff and make it all totally optional in order to help dissuade users from blocking all ads. Better some ads, thinks Google, than none.

But let's say Google does block all ads. They still make their money because Chrome could just track everything the user does anyway and they could just sell that data instead of old fashioned "look look click click".

Since iOS 8, Apple recommends everybody uses the new WKWebView which replaces UIWebView: https://developer.apple.com/re...

However, WKWebView is not as flexible as UIWebView; more specifically, there is no support for a custom NSURLProtocol. Basically to get the performance gains of using WKWebView, you can't do the things you want to do.

For Opera specifically, this bug filed against webkit lays out the features they would like to implement, but are unable to: https://bugs.webkit.org/show_b...

Opera on iOS implements a custom HTTP(S) protocol to do:
1. Data savings (see http://www.opera.com/turbo ). This greatly improves connectivity under crappy network conditions for millions of users. It's especially important for people in countries which can only dream about 4G.
2. Peer-to-peer inobtrusive security. For that we collect bits of site security information that is only available via low-level network APIs.
3. Presenting sites as icons (and grouping multiple pages into the same icons). For that we hook into the HTML data stream to parse meta data ASAP. In addition we intercept and react on HTTP redirects. This is a part of the http://operacoast.com/ app identity.
4. Progress loading reporting, automatic retries on bad networks. For that we do traffic QoS monitoring.
5. Fast going back and offline content. That is controlled partially by a custom cache, and partially in NSURLProtocol.
6. Ad-blocking.

Looks like Opera Mini is worse. It includes all the Google spyware that Chrome has plus additional third party spyware:

https://www.reddit.com/r/opera...
http://www.opera.com/privacy/m...

Even the privacy policy for the non-mini versions include pretty vague data collection:

"The information we collect may include: personal data, for example your name, email, IP-address, location; and non-personal technical data, for example who manufactured your device, your screen's resolution, your mobile operator's region and code."

I've installed Opera browser on my computers which has a free VPN provided by SurfEasy which is a Canadian company they own.
Privacy Policy includes "no logs"
https://www.surfeasy.com/priva...
https://www.opera.com/privacy
This should give good protection from my local ISP. Hopefully I will be able to trust SurfEasy and Opera to adhere to their policy.
(BTW, the browser seems much faster than Chrome or Firefox on my old MacBook.)

As Slashdot's resident and probably only Opera Browser user, I'd just like to remind ya'll that the browser has built-in out of the box support for VPN access. There is no complicated or confusing setups. It just works. And remember, Opera Browser is also based on Chrome/Chromium nowadays, so the rendering engine and interface is essentially the same as Chrome otherwise. Additionally, Ad-block is also built in, instead of requiring ad-ons.

Details: http://www.opera.com/computer/...

Use srcset on your image tags:

<img src="cat_500px.jpg" srcset="cat_750px.jpg 1.5x, cat_1000px.jpg 2x" width="500" alt="lolcat">

THIS!

I've designed and ran a corporate network that included a few ships and this is basically what was done: a lot of local services and caching with proper QoS.

There were also WAN optimization devices that would compress the data between the offices on land and the ships, with Internet traffic going in and out through the offices. The device on land, using its faster Internet access, would compress data before sending it to the ship. Of course, this is probably out of reach for this person but he/she could try a service like Opera Turbo which is free and works well.

http://www.opera.com/turbo

http://www.opera.com/download/...

Surf the Web with lightning speed.
Presto/2.12.388 Version/12.16

https://duckduckgo.com/

Search Engines in all countries in the world
http://searchenginesindex.com/

The old Presto version received a security update earlier this year... version 12.18. Grab it if you haven't already.

ftp://ftp.opera.com/pub/opera/...

The most notable fix is for the code 40 HTTPS errors on Cloudflare sites. Windows only unfortunately.

They are encrypted.

http://www.opera.com/blogs/sec...

Resolution is a function of the underlying Operating System. The only way Edge browser would play at full resolution and not the others is if Windows was designed detect the running browser and reduce resolution if not running Edge.

"Microsoft claimed Microsoft Edge was built to take advantage of platform features in Windows 10"

In other words, and yet again Micosoft made sure to undocument certain API calls that makes viewing media on other browsers a "jolting experience". Or as in another example shifting the text 30 pixels to the left on detecting Opera, therefore rendering the text as slightly jagged. Of course the blame is entirely down to Opera for not following Microsoft industry standards.

Personally, I am wondering how the results would stack up with Opera thrown in with the power saving mode turned on.

The article points out that Edge does pretty darn well without the need for any power saving mode. Like, ok, but perhaps it makes sense to have a full featured, powerful browser (which Opera is becoming again, though for a long time that was really questionable) with the ability to flip a switch that reduces the "power" (reducing activity of background tabs, wake CPU less often, pause unused extensions, etc) and increases battery life. Also there's the built in ad-blocker, which I'd think would substantially reduce power consumption.

Please re-run the test.

Sounds great! When will this be available for Linux? I'm still rocking version 12.16

I'm just kidding, of course. I don't run that, it's too old (current Windows version is 37.something).

When will this be available for Linux? I'm still rocking version 12.16.

I'm kidding, of course, I don't run that, it's too old.

http://sourcecode.opera.com/

It would appear that that is not yet possible.

http://forums.opera.com/discus...

I've run around for about an hour now (I was bored and had time) trying a variety of extensions and whatnot. I can't seem to find any that will kill the tab bar on the top. I tried a bunch from Chrome - Opera can use those just fine, but it was to no avail. I looked and didn't see a theme that hid tabs. I did find some extensions that claimed they hid the tabs but, alas, they just closed 'em. That sucked - this is the second time I've tried typing this out 'cause I was working on it as I was testing.

It is open and it might be something that can be done. I just not dug into the code and taken a peek - it seems like that might be easy enough but then you'd have to re-do it every time or try to push the code up-stream to Opera and I'm thinking they're disinclined to take outside code BUT it is maybe worth the effort.

I'm a bit bored so I'll keep looking and let you know if I find anything. If I don't then you can either look on your own (of course), use it (or one of the many others) as is and ignore the top tabs, or continue using Firefox, or whatever. ;-) But, I'll keep looking. I've now got some extra dozen extensions installed and need to figure out which ones to remove and which to keep - and I found a few interesting new ones along the way. *sighs* That's usually why I try to stay away from the extensions unless I really need 'em. I'm stocked up quite nicely. There are a few new side-bar extensions that I found, so I'll be at this for hours.

Have you looked at this:
https://addons.opera.com/en/ex...

They do have older version for download from opera.com
http://www.opera.com/download/...

Every time Version 12 has tried to update it been from a redirect to Opera.com, the address is in my hosts file now, download the link given above for version 12.4
and do read the fact it's encrypted and requires the password: oldversion to install.

- Opera 12 updated on me once and there no warning it just took it upon itself to do.

Damnedest thing just happened, I clicked on the link posted and was taken here http://www.opera.com/download/... -all versions from 35 to 11 are listed for download and for all OS's, so I don't what to say now.

They do have older version for download from opera.com
http://www.opera.com/download/...

Every time Version 12 has tried to update it been from a redirect to Opera.com, the address is in my hosts file now, download the link given above for version 12.4
and do read the fact it's encrypted and requires the password: oldversion to install.

- Opera 12 updated on me once and there no warning it just took it upon itself to do.

Damnedest thing just happened, I clicked on the link posted and was taken here http://www.opera.com/download/... -all versions from 35 to 11 are listed for download and for all OS's, so I don't what to say now.

They do have older version for download from opera.com
http://www.opera.com/download/...

Every time Version 12 has tried to update it been from a redirect to Opera.com, the address is in my hosts file now, download the link given above for version 12.4
and do read the fact it's encrypted and requires the password: oldversion to install.

- Opera 12 updated on me once and there no warning it just took it upon itself to do.

- At one time (I reinstall my Win OS's regularly) for java to work with Opera 12, the new version had to be installed as well, while in a different directory it fixed Opera 12 somehow.

They do have older version for download from opera.com
http://www.opera.com/download/...

I think you meant 12.17
http://www.opera.com/download/...

I'd keep an eye on this in the next few weeks:
http://www.opera.com/privacy

uMatrix has some neat features you may be interested in - including blocking cookies and a bunch of settings. I don't think you can make it block cookies, from the home domain, by default but it will block third party cookies, scripts, etc... It's a bit like NoScript except it's better.

Think an old-school Windows software-based firewall. Now imagine that for your browser - complete with the learning curve. I just recently shared my config file with someone to get them started, somebody from here. I'd suggest a more personalized settings but that's okay to start with someone else's.

It uses whitelisting. Yup. If it's not from the first-party, it's blocked by default and that includes scripts, frames, xss, cookies, etc... I believe, now that I look at it, you can probably set it to block all cookies (even from first-party) by default and then whitelist the site as you go.

The good news is that there's a version for it on Firefox now. I use Opera and I've had uMatrix for ages. It's made by the same guy who makes HTTP Switchboard (another nice app) and uBlock which is a bit like AdBlock Plus but much better and, again, much more refined. Though uBlock works out of the box, there's a lot more you can do with it. Combining uMatrix and uBlock gives you a whole lot of refinement options and really lets you customize your experience.

Alas, the author will not accept donations of any kind - and I've offered to send him some money, I'd even offered what some might call a good chunk of money for a regular donation. He declined and pointed me to his FAQ which, it turns out, says he does not accept donations. (I think I'd tried to send him $500, so not a whole lot.)

So, if you don't mind a small learning curve (it's not entirely intuitive but not difficult - I figured it out) and want to actually get it "right" then I recommend uMatrix. You can export your settings (your whitelist/saved sites) and use them on multiple computers which will save you some time if you're using more than one computer. It is, and I'll be upfront, a bit of work at first. However, once you get a few of your regular sites set up it's good to go. When you find something that doesn't work then you enable it. When you get it to work, you simply save it and add it to the list so that it's retained between sessions. If you're unlikely to visit the site again, don't save it. If you don't need the script(s) then don't enable them.

For each third-party, you can block or accept, set to always block, set to always allow, and whatnot. It's really very nice. I *highly* recommend spending a few hours with it enabled and seeing the difference that it makes. It does make many sites entirely unusable - but then you just enable what needs to be enabled and you're good to go. If you frequent the site then you save it. If you trust the site or just will be visiting once - don't save it but can even go so far as enabling all. It's really quite an impressive tool.

I'll go ahead and get you the link:
https://addons.mozilla.org/en-...

Opera:
https://addons.opera.com/en/ex...

Chrome:
https://chrome.google.com/webs...

If you want to get fancy and use HTTP Switchboard, or just read about it, then I'll grab that link for you too:
https://addons.opera.com/en/ex...

I'm sure you'll figure it out quickly. It's not as much work as I make it seem. I've been using it for a while and once you get it all set you're pretty much good to go with very little interruption. It's surprising how few sites that I actually care to allow to fun scripts from third parties. Sometimes, I even block them on the main sites - I don't always just set to allow.

I suppose, if you need a hand with it th

uMatrix has some neat features you may be interested in - including blocking cookies and a bunch of settings. I don't think you can make it block cookies, from the home domain, by default but it will block third party cookies, scripts, etc... It's a bit like NoScript except it's better.

Think an old-school Windows software-based firewall. Now imagine that for your browser - complete with the learning curve. I just recently shared my config file with someone to get them started, somebody from here. I'd suggest a more personalized settings but that's okay to start with someone else's.

It uses whitelisting. Yup. If it's not from the first-party, it's blocked by default and that includes scripts, frames, xss, cookies, etc... I believe, now that I look at it, you can probably set it to block all cookies (even from first-party) by default and then whitelist the site as you go.

The good news is that there's a version for it on Firefox now. I use Opera and I've had uMatrix for ages. It's made by the same guy who makes HTTP Switchboard (another nice app) and uBlock which is a bit like AdBlock Plus but much better and, again, much more refined. Though uBlock works out of the box, there's a lot more you can do with it. Combining uMatrix and uBlock gives you a whole lot of refinement options and really lets you customize your experience.

Alas, the author will not accept donations of any kind - and I've offered to send him some money, I'd even offered what some might call a good chunk of money for a regular donation. He declined and pointed me to his FAQ which, it turns out, says he does not accept donations. (I think I'd tried to send him $500, so not a whole lot.)

So, if you don't mind a small learning curve (it's not entirely intuitive but not difficult - I figured it out) and want to actually get it "right" then I recommend uMatrix. You can export your settings (your whitelist/saved sites) and use them on multiple computers which will save you some time if you're using more than one computer. It is, and I'll be upfront, a bit of work at first. However, once you get a few of your regular sites set up it's good to go. When you find something that doesn't work then you enable it. When you get it to work, you simply save it and add it to the list so that it's retained between sessions. If you're unlikely to visit the site again, don't save it. If you don't need the script(s) then don't enable them.

For each third-party, you can block or accept, set to always block, set to always allow, and whatnot. It's really very nice. I *highly* recommend spending a few hours with it enabled and seeing the difference that it makes. It does make many sites entirely unusable - but then you just enable what needs to be enabled and you're good to go. If you frequent the site then you save it. If you trust the site or just will be visiting once - don't save it but can even go so far as enabling all. It's really quite an impressive tool.

I'll go ahead and get you the link:
https://addons.mozilla.org/en-...

Opera:
https://addons.opera.com/en/ex...

Chrome:
https://chrome.google.com/webs...

If you want to get fancy and use HTTP Switchboard, or just read about it, then I'll grab that link for you too:
https://addons.opera.com/en/ex...

I'm sure you'll figure it out quickly. It's not as much work as I make it seem. I've been using it for a while and once you get it all set you're pretty much good to go with very little interruption. It's surprising how few sites that I actually care to allow to fun scripts from third parties. Sometimes, I even block them on the main sites - I don't always just set to allow.

I suppose, if you need a hand with it th

Those are good sources. I'm aware of the biases and acknowledge them which is why I'd say that I find al Jazeera to be an acceptable source. I'm not suggesting that one take them at face value and to the exclusion of all others but that one at least consider their information and seek to find more information as needed. Some days I may find a single story, and just that one story, and spend as many as a few hours learning about the background, opinions, and even delve into the history of that region. I'll then draw my own conclusions but I don't exclude al Jazeera as an informations source by default.

Hell, I'll even go to Democracy Now! as a source of news. I've caught them, more than once, so abusing editorial methods as to make things seem exactly opposite what reality is. However, I'll still go see what information they have. I don't really exclude anyone - if that makes sense? I am just aware that they're biased or might even be outright dishonest. Which leads to this:

I guess, I don't even really have a set group that I use. It really depends and I do have preferences but no exclusions (other than some obvious not-news sources). I'll even make use of Russia Today. True, I probably avoid drawing conclusions based on those sources but that doesn't mean I'll exclude them. I'll visit various sites, some not in English, and see what I can find out. I make use of machine translation a lot and sometimes will even use multiple translation services. (I use something simply called Translator by someone named SailorMax. I also *read,* but not speak well, a few other languages and can often get by without it.)

Fortunately, I'm retired. I can get away with spending that much time keeping up with things of interest. I'm in a position where I can spend that time and think for myself. I've often pondered actually putting those thoughts to keyboard and sharing the fruits of my research with others but, frankly, I'm both a bit lazy and aware of my own biases. I am sort of working on a project that enables such but it may be a while coming and may never reach fruition though it may make a repository of my thoughts which, I suppose, probably isn't of much value to anyone else but will certainly offer a feedback mechanism because I enjoy having my beliefs challenged and having to defend them as being logically consistent and well reasoned. (As an aside: That's one of the reasons that I'm here and one of the reasons that I do share as much as I do.)

Oh, the linked extension is for Opera. I don't know if there is a Chrome/Chromium version but it should work if you simply download it and import it as an unpacked extension? Prior to being able to directly use Chrome extensions, that's how I was able to get the extensions work in reverse. I've not poked at Vivaldi for a little while but worked for Vivaldi as well. I suspect that there's something similar for Firefox, Pale Moon, and whatnot - I don't know of something of that nature for Midori and I've no clue what works with IE/Edge or Safari. It's sometimes rather interesting to read news articles with one translation and then use a different translation service to check against it. Sometimes the resulting differences can be a bit interesting. The conclusions you draw are your own and you don't have to rely on someone else telling you what to think - so there's that.

Block scripts. Whitelist as needed/desired. See uMatrix for a good extension. Firefox now has a version. You can also look into HTTP Switchboard. The guy makes good stuff and won't let me donate. :/

https://addons.opera.com/en/se...

Meh, not important so I'll post this as AC too. ;-) I don't know what, of the other two, are available for Firefox but uMatrix is and, I think, uBlock is. Those should cover most everything but uMatrix is pretty much just fine all by itself actually. I'm quite fond of his stuff. (I've even checked with Wireshark and not noticed anything suspicious, the source is available but I've never bothered looking at it.)

Mix his other work, uMatrix in with it. uMatrix is like an old-school software firewall except for your browser. It is awesome. It's now available on Firefox as well as Opera and Chromium. There's also HTTP Switchboard which is a bit complicated for an average user but I imagine you'd be fine with it. Here's a list of his work for Opera:

https://addons.opera.com/en/se...

I've offered to send him donations before and he refuses to accept donations. :/ I have no idea why. It's not like I was trying to buy influence and I was only going to send him a couple hundred bucks or something trivial. I just like his software and figured I'd reward him for the effort. I've been using uMatrix for years and I used ABP with it at the same time. I then used uBlock with it for a while but I've taken to not even letting that run as of late. It's installed but disabled. uMatrix seems to catch pretty much everything out there at the sites I visit - I've spent a long time curating my settings as I visit various sites over the years and I just export/import the settings so that I have them on all the computers.

Meh, it works well. There's a slight learning curve, but if you're a Slashdot user, you should be able to figure it out pretty quickly. Basically, anything not from the domain is blocked by default. Cookies are blocked, etc... I just whitelist certain things at certain sites as needed and then save the settings for future use. I've got quite a rule set now but it isn't hard to get started. It makes the web a much more enjoyable place. If a site asks me to disable my ad blocker then I just leave. It's their property, they've a right to make that request.

You *might* find the source somewhere. I've not looked. I probably will before I send this. Opera's been moving to more and more open source (not truly libre but close enough for me - I'm not really picky and don't mind closed source stuff) lately. It takes some digging but you can get and build Opera from source now. Well, in theory. I've not actually tried it. :/ It shouldn't be too hard but I've not had motivation.

Alas, it looks like no...
http://sourcecode.opera.com/

I didn't find anything on Github either. Depending on your package manager system (and you *might* be able to install APT and be able to use .deb files with /some/ success) and whatnot - you might be able to convert it for use. I've had some luck getting alien to work with some RPMs as I am (shh!) an actual fan of Lubuntu and Mint but i far and away prefer Lubuntu. (Something about the primal functionality and speed of LXDE...That and, I have made it beautiful.)

And yeah, I swear that it used to have a ton of versions. I think there's Mozilla code in there - doesn't Mozilla require releasing source if they distribute binaries? :/ I must confess, I do not know Mozilla's licensing. I don't really use many of their products - just Thunderbird. I do leave Firefox installed but I seldom use it - usually it's my "only adblock plus installed, don't care" browser or what I'll fire up if I want to use Tor instead of my VPN for some reason or other.

Oh, heh, LXDE... Here:
http://i.imgur.com/CA7kpLi.jpg

The top portion is a "dock" that I made that only shows up when I move the cursor to the top of the screen. I need to set the delay a little longer but I've not managed. I'd show the current implementation (only slightly different) but my desktop is a mess.

Anyhow, back to Opera Mail. It works. It does what it's supposed to do. I never did dig into it to see if it supported GPG or PGP in a reasonable fashion. I used it for a while but wasn't in the habit of signing or encrypting anything. I don't have any complaints about it but, at the same time, I don't have anything to say good about it except that it works. I don't know how they made an email client more boring than, well, an email client but they somehow managed.

I'm a fan of Opera, probably more than is healthy, and I just don't prefer it. I stuck with Opera during the conversion to Chromium's source base. (I didn't use it constantly but I kept it installed.) Today it's fine but it was rough for a while. Even *I* don't like Opera Mail. I can't really say why I don't like it except to say what I've already said. It may not be articulated well. Give it a shot, if you *can* try it out. You might be able to install apt or find a way to convert the .deb package? I can't say that I've tried.

You know that Opera supports bookmarks, right? You can safely return now. They've done pretty well with it since the dark days. I've been using Opera since the days when we had to pay for it. I did take a break and I did also use Firefox for a while. Hell, I even helped support Firefox a few times. Now? I can't even *donate* to Opera.

I don't donate to Firefox any longer - I haven't for quite a while now. I'd donate even if I didn't use them but, for a few reasons, I see no reason to help support them any longer. It's a shame. I used to donate a couple hundred bucks a couple of times per year, sometimes more and sometimes less. I've probably not donated anything in the past three or four years for reasons of my own.

Anyhow, take a gander at Opera again - if you're interested. It has made some great improvements.

wget -O - http://deb.opera.com/archive.k... | sudo apt-key add -
sudo sh -c 'echo "deb http://deb.opera.com/opera-sta... stable non-free" >> /etc/apt/sources.list.d/opera.list'
sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get install opera-beta && sudo apt-get install opera-developer && sudo apt-get install opera-stable

Coupled with this one can have access to the whole Chrome extension ecosystem as well, though I find little reason to do so. Is there a specific bookmarking functionality that Opera is lacking? (I don't actually recall a time when they didn't have it but I may have missed something or simply forgotten something.)

They've come a long ways and have started the innovation thing again. It has taken them some time but they're making great improvements to the browser. I find that it's speedy and light, comparatively speaking, and haven't had any issues with any of the builds -- in quite some time. I regularly make use of all three versions and find myself most frequently making use of the beta build. Yup, even beta is stable enough to be my main browser. The dev builds are often rather interesting and sometimes have half-baked functions built into them but they're optional.

You know that Opera supports bookmarks, right? You can safely return now. They've done pretty well with it since the dark days. I've been using Opera since the days when we had to pay for it. I did take a break and I did also use Firefox for a while. Hell, I even helped support Firefox a few times. Now? I can't even *donate* to Opera.

I don't donate to Firefox any longer - I haven't for quite a while now. I'd donate even if I didn't use them but, for a few reasons, I see no reason to help support them any longer. It's a shame. I used to donate a couple hundred bucks a couple of times per year, sometimes more and sometimes less. I've probably not donated anything in the past three or four years for reasons of my own.

Anyhow, take a gander at Opera again - if you're interested. It has made some great improvements.

wget -O - http://deb.opera.com/archive.k... | sudo apt-key add -
sudo sh -c 'echo "deb http://deb.opera.com/opera-sta... stable non-free" >> /etc/apt/sources.list.d/opera.list'
sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get install opera-beta && sudo apt-get install opera-developer && sudo apt-get install opera-stable

Coupled with this one can have access to the whole Chrome extension ecosystem as well, though I find little reason to do so. Is there a specific bookmarking functionality that Opera is lacking? (I don't actually recall a time when they didn't have it but I may have missed something or simply forgotten something.)

They've come a long ways and have started the innovation thing again. It has taken them some time but they're making great improvements to the browser. I find that it's speedy and light, comparatively speaking, and haven't had any issues with any of the builds -- in quite some time. I regularly make use of all three versions and find myself most frequently making use of the beta build. Yup, even beta is stable enough to be my main browser. The dev builds are often rather interesting and sometimes have half-baked functions built into them but they're optional.

You know that Opera supports bookmarks, right? You can safely return now. They've done pretty well with it since the dark days. I've been using Opera since the days when we had to pay for it. I did take a break and I did also use Firefox for a while. Hell, I even helped support Firefox a few times. Now? I can't even *donate* to Opera.

I don't donate to Firefox any longer - I haven't for quite a while now. I'd donate even if I didn't use them but, for a few reasons, I see no reason to help support them any longer. It's a shame. I used to donate a couple hundred bucks a couple of times per year, sometimes more and sometimes less. I've probably not donated anything in the past three or four years for reasons of my own.

Anyhow, take a gander at Opera again - if you're interested. It has made some great improvements.

wget -O - http://deb.opera.com/archive.k... | sudo apt-key add -
sudo sh -c 'echo "deb http://deb.opera.com/opera-sta... stable non-free" >> /etc/apt/sources.list.d/opera.list'
sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get install opera-beta && sudo apt-get install opera-developer && sudo apt-get install opera-stable

Coupled with this one can have access to the whole Chrome extension ecosystem as well, though I find little reason to do so. Is there a specific bookmarking functionality that Opera is lacking? (I don't actually recall a time when they didn't have it but I may have missed something or simply forgotten something.)

They've come a long ways and have started the innovation thing again. It has taken them some time but they're making great improvements to the browser. I find that it's speedy and light, comparatively speaking, and haven't had any issues with any of the builds -- in quite some time. I regularly make use of all three versions and find myself most frequently making use of the beta build. Yup, even beta is stable enough to be my main browser. The dev builds are often rather interesting and sometimes have half-baked functions built into them but they're optional.

Opera has something close (Tab Sidebar), but it's extremely basic atm, and has a few too many quirks --- especially when you have more than one window with Tabs.
Chrome & Opera can use Sidewise --- which also has quirks since it is forced to run in it's own window, because Google.
Sidewise does at least allow for TreeStyle pseudo-tabs, and suspended windows/tabs/sessions.

So even with "Tab Sidebar" you still wind up needing at least one or more other extensions, and it still doesn't match FF's TreeStyleTab's functionality.

Ask and ye shall receive...

Source code for Opera's various browsers!

Tada! It's open source but not truly open licensing - permissive licensed, to some extent. You can review, poke, and change it all you want. You may not redistribute it with their proprietary bits - if I've read the licensing agreement properly.

http://www.opera.com/download/...

https://dev.opera.com/articles...

Opera's antiphishing filter != "ignores hosts" dimwit http://forums.opera.com/discus... & that's easily corrected and not a default. I use Opera 12.17 & know it.

FireFox bug caused 1 of the results-> https://support.mozilla.org/en...

Chrome = you're wrong YET AGAIN: Caching @ OS level has to be turned off with large hosts anyhow (with large hosts like my program makes you disable that cache since that dnscache breaks down with large hosts, & you save CPU cycles, RAM, & other i/o it was wasting thus by turning it off) http://superuser.com/questions...

* :)

LMAO!

So you're WRONG as usual, dimwit, again, just like here too (hosts != Windows 98 technology you utter moron) -> http://tech.slashdot.org/comme...

APK

P.S.=> So much for DESPERATE little technical incompetents like "Khyber" (complete with his delusional online fantasy name, lol)... apk

The nicest thing I can say about FF is that it opened the floodgates, before Firefox/Phoenix/Mozilla Suite you had crappy IE, broken NS, and adware Opera.

Today there is Comodo Dragon (what I use, better security features and no phone home to Google) Chromium, SWIron, and Opera which my oldest boy swears is the greatest thing ever (hates the new version, went back to using presto) and on the gecko side there is PaleMoon (the other browser I use, I prefer the UI over IceDragon and it seems snappier), SeaMonkey, IceDragon, if you need really low resource there is always Kmeleon which runs really well even on a P3 running Win98SE and if you want to avoid BOTH the Chromium and Gecko engines you can go with QTWeb which is just what it says on the tin, a cross platform browser that uses Webkit and the QT framework...quite nice actually and of course Safari if you are into Apple.

I was using FF before it was called Firefox, and the Suite before that and....yeah, its just not very nice now. The UI feels like a bad Chrome ripoff and it still has "senior moments" where the entire UI can just "hang" for several seconds, which when you have 8 fricking cores and 16GB of RAM? is just inexcusable. I don't know what went wrong with Moz, but for the past few years they seem to have gone out of their way to just ruin the browser, do they no longer care? Has the UI team been taken over by Google? All I know is If I wanted Chrome I'd use Chrome and the current FF feels like a really bad Chrome knockoff, its the "Hipad" that looks kinda sorta like the real thing but once you use it? Yeah its just a knock off.

Luckily this isn't the bad old days where it was just IE and netscape, today you DO have options! There is Comodo Dragon (what I use, better security features and no phone home to Google) Chromium, SWIron, and Opera which my oldest boy swears is the greatest thing ever (boy is he still pissed they quit using presto) and on the gecko side there is Firefox, PaleMoon (the other browser I use, I prefer the UI over IceDragon and it seems snappier), SeaMonkey, IceDragon, if you need really low resource there is always Kmeleon which runs really well even on a P3 running Win98SE and if you want to avoid BOTH the Chromium and Gecko engines you can go with QTWeb which is just what it says on the tin, a cross platform browser that uses Webkit and QT.

Anyone remember opera turbo?
http://www.opera.com/turbo

how does it get better than that?

Quite a few ways, actually, all of which would have been apparent had you just clicked the link, but if you need it spelled out for you...
1) uBlock is available for multiple browsers and is available via official stores/sites for at least some of them (with plans to get into the others). Doesn't matter to you, perhaps, but it does matter to some of us, especially if we're looking for something to recommend to non-techie friends and family.

2) uBlock actually leads to a reduced memory footprint for your browser, whereas AdBlock Plus (on which Edge is based), increases the browser's memory footprint.

3) uBlock has SIGNIFICANTLY better CPU performance than ABP and its competitors. Nearly an order of magnitude.

4) uBlock is slightly better at blocking unnecessary server hits. About twice as good as ABP, and just a shade worse than Ghostery.

All of which is to say, by nearly every measurable metric, it's better than the thing that you think is the best.

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When Opera decided to become a cheap Chrome clone, the Mozilla crew lost its source for ideas.

labs.mozilla.org has been dead for a while now.

In more important news, Opera 24 has been released with support for Linux, after many months of delay. Opera representatives then proceeded to post comments to that article mocking and taunting the Linux users:

Ruarí Ødegaard Mod 4 hours ago
What the ....!? I never expected this!!!

Marcin Mitek Mod > Ruarí Ødegaard 4 hours ago
It's obviously a fake.

Jonathan Aanesen Mod > Marcin Mitek 4 hours ago
Agreed, no way this can be real.

Helge Andre Gjølme Mod > Ruarí Ødegaard 4 hours ago
How did you manage to get this out the door?!

Ruarí Ødegaard Mod > Veger an hour ago
Yeah all the linux users quietly sat by and watched and said nothing! ;)

And even after mistreating Linux users for so long, the Opera representatives expect Linux users to do work that the Opera devs should be doing themselves:

Ruarí Ødegaard Mod > Anton Chelnokov 2 hours ago
Any user who knows a little about packaging is free to submit their own packages to their distro of choice. Hell the Arch guys have already done it: https://aur.archlinux.org/pack...

Ruarí Ødegaard Mod > Arjan van Leeuwen 3 hours ago
I'm hoping and half expecting that some users will step up and repackage for their distros and/or put together a quick install/uninstall script. Those notes should be enough to get things going.

Disgraceful.

Luckily this isn't the bad old days where it was just IE and netscape, today you DO have options! There is Comodo Dragon (what I use, better security features and no phone home to Google) Chromium, SWIron, and Opera which my oldest boy swears is the greatest thing ever (boy is he still pissed they quit using presto) and on the gecko side there is Firefox, PaleMoon (the other browser I use, I prefer the UI over IceDragon and it seems snappier), SeaMonkey, IceDragon, if you need really low resource there is always Kmeleon which runs really well even on a P3 running Win98SE and if you want to avoid BOTH the Chromium and Gecko engines you can go with QTWeb which is just what it says on the tin, a cross platform browser that uses Webkit and the QT framework...quite nice actually and of course Safari if you are into Apple. There is one other....what was it? Oh yeah the big blue E thing. ;-)

So if you don't like the direction Google is going? Don't use their products. After they started getting nasty with the TOS and trying to ram G+ down our throats I dropped Google like a bad habit, I set up a throwaway Gmail I never use just for my Android phone (so they can't tie my desktop and mobile together) and use my main Gmail for a spam dump, switched to Bing for my search and Yahoo for my mail so no one company has access too all my online data and ya know what? couldn't be happier. What DOES really piss me off about Google is how they have become a drive by spammer, you have no idea how many Chrome "infections" I've had to clean off of customers PCs because some "freeware" had Chrome tied into it. We used to get seriously pissed at how McCrappee and Horton used to dump their stupid scanners onto us with freeware so why isn't everyone mad at how Google is spamming Chrome? An unwanted install that takes over defaults...hmmm...if it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck?

In case anyone wanted to know what responsive images are, I googles this imformative article on the subject:
http://dev.opera.com/articles/...

dakira > TruthNow â 3 days ago
Wow. They took a piece of cross-platform software and made it stop working on Linux by applying their skin. That's just sad.

http://blogs.opera.com/desktop...

CrashNBurn71 > dakira â 3 days ago
Or you know, instead of the past year of this nonsense, Opera DESKTOP could of used WebKit/Blink to render the page, and kept Presto to render the Opera UI. It would of been more memory intensive, but at least it would of been a usable browser.

A thread for every single open Tab is beyond ludicrous. A thread for every window *maybe*.

Opera 15+ is worse than MS Office + the Ribbon :: at least Office still has the same functionality - even if it takes twice as long to get there.

Why anyone is bothering with Opera any longer is beyond me. A year later there's not even a hint of a customizable interface or the Side-Panel. M2 has been flat out abandoned, not a single update since it was split into its own "App".

With .net or WinForms or any of Microsoft's Software Development Kits, or even __Autohotkey__ you could layout a Window with customizable/resizable sections in a day.

Other Browsers have a handful of developers or less, and are blowing Opera out of the water. (See Maxthon or Slepnir -- the whole Fenrir Inc only has 50-200 employees.)

(*) And yeah some of us actually do Software Development beyond throwing a couple webpages onto the internet, and actually know what CAN be accomplished in a day or a month or a year.

No bookmarks in a year? Opera doesn't want to add bookmarks. Or it would of been done in a week, maybe a month. Its not f'n rocket science.

Many? long-time Opera users would likely agree that Opera was quite possibly one of the top 10 software products ever. quite possibly one of the top 10 software products ever.

(*) Chopera defenders (and the Dev's themselves) on the blog frequently spout about how software development takes time... as the excuse for why almost none of Opera's old functionality has made its way into the new Chrome "clone".

clone - implies something that is a copy of its "parent" ... except Chopera isn't even close to a clone, not only is it missing nearly everything that made Opera useful, it's missing most of what Chromium has as well.