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Here you go, fact-phobic remoaner fuckwit

Enjoy

Also some lovely information about the person who started the petition: https://order-order.com/2019/0...

...who are actually interested in hearing the other side of the argument. Fortunately, British politics isn't quite as exciting as the OP sets out. Some relevant info on:

The pro-Remain journalist spearheading the investigation into the Leave campaign The pro-Remain MP in charge of the DCMS committee Evidence of the Remain campaign doing exactly what the Leave campaign have been accused of, only to a much greater extent The government body in charge of regulating elections and referenda The guy in charge of the Leave campaign

For those less inclined towards actually verifying facts, the TLDR:

• Of the elected politicians in the UK, 73% voted to Remain, despite only 48% of the general population of the UK voting the same way, with the figure for the unelected upper house likely much higher
• In London, where the vast majority of the important public bodies are, on average, 60% of people voted to Remain. In some places it was as high as 70%. Note, this includes all of the major broadcasters and media, government bodies, regulators, big business etc.
• Since the referendum, the vast majority of British people have respected the outcome, as shown in most polls and it's only a hard core of Eurofanatics, in the right positions, that have pretended to accept the result, while conspiring to prevent the mandate being fulfilled i.e returning control of laws, borders and money and - quelle surprise - are now actively trying to invalidate it altogether.

...who are actually interested in hearing the other side of the argument. Fortunately, British politics isn't quite as exciting as the OP sets out. Some relevant info on:

The pro-Remain journalist spearheading the investigation into the Leave campaign The pro-Remain MP in charge of the DCMS committee Evidence of the Remain campaign doing exactly what the Leave campaign have been accused of, only to a much greater extent The government body in charge of regulating elections and referenda The guy in charge of the Leave campaign

For those less inclined towards actually verifying facts, the TLDR:

• Of the elected politicians in the UK, 73% voted to Remain, despite only 48% of the general population of the UK voting the same way, with the figure for the unelected upper house likely much higher
• In London, where the vast majority of the important public bodies are, on average, 60% of people voted to Remain. In some places it was as high as 70%. Note, this includes all of the major broadcasters and media, government bodies, regulators, big business etc.
• Since the referendum, the vast majority of British people have respected the outcome, as shown in most polls and it's only a hard core of Eurofanatics, in the right positions, that have pretended to accept the result, while conspiring to prevent the mandate being fulfilled i.e returning control of laws, borders and money and - quelle surprise - are now actively trying to invalidate it altogether.

...who are actually interested in hearing the other side of the argument. Fortunately, British politics isn't quite as exciting as the OP sets out. Some relevant info on:

The pro-Remain journalist spearheading the investigation into the Leave campaign The pro-Remain MP in charge of the DCMS committee Evidence of the Remain campaign doing exactly what the Leave campaign have been accused of, only to a much greater extent The government body in charge of regulating elections and referenda The guy in charge of the Leave campaign

For those less inclined towards actually verifying facts, the TLDR:

• Of the elected politicians in the UK, 73% voted to Remain, despite only 48% of the general population of the UK voting the same way, with the figure for the unelected upper house likely much higher
• In London, where the vast majority of the important public bodies are, on average, 60% of people voted to Remain. In some places it was as high as 70%. Note, this includes all of the major broadcasters and media, government bodies, regulators, big business etc.
• Since the referendum, the vast majority of British people have respected the outcome, as shown in most polls and it's only a hard core of Eurofanatics, in the right positions, that have pretended to accept the result, while conspiring to prevent the mandate being fulfilled i.e returning control of laws, borders and money and - quelle surprise - are now actively trying to invalidate it altogether.

...who are actually interested in hearing the other side of the argument. Fortunately, British politics isn't quite as exciting as the OP sets out. Some relevant info on:

The pro-Remain journalist spearheading the investigation into the Leave campaign The pro-Remain MP in charge of the DCMS committee Evidence of the Remain campaign doing exactly what the Leave campaign have been accused of, only to a much greater extent The government body in charge of regulating elections and referenda The guy in charge of the Leave campaign

For those less inclined towards actually verifying facts, the TLDR:

• Of the elected politicians in the UK, 73% voted to Remain, despite only 48% of the general population of the UK voting the same way, with the figure for the unelected upper house likely much higher
• In London, where the vast majority of the important public bodies are, on average, 60% of people voted to Remain. In some places it was as high as 70%. Note, this includes all of the major broadcasters and media, government bodies, regulators, big business etc.
• Since the referendum, the vast majority of British people have respected the outcome, as shown in most polls and it's only a hard core of Eurofanatics, in the right positions, that have pretended to accept the result, while conspiring to prevent the mandate being fulfilled i.e returning control of laws, borders and money and - quelle surprise - are now actively trying to invalidate it altogether.

Like the Guido Faukes Fool posting today, where he takes a load of recent political issues and dresses them up as yet another exposé.

https://order-order.com/2018/0...

If you've been following the UK media (no, not the mainstream one, who tries to hide all this) then you'll start by thinking its true. By the middle you think "surely not", and by the end "it must be a fool".

Trouble is, you could take any of the recent revelations as fool jokes if they'd been announced today.

I read Breitbart occasonally, its interesting. I just wish the media would also follow up on the stories BB runs instead of ignoring them as its obvious there's interest in knowing of the usua reported atrocities out there.

But until the media does get a little less biased and propagandising, I'll just have to make do with what I can and attempt to fill in the blanks with a widespread read of various sites.

Incidentally, the most amusing one at the moment is Guido Fawkes' Order Order. those hypocritical and naughty politicians... https://order-order.com/

Yes, as I [mis]understand this, it has to go to the Tory (Conservative, for readers abroad) party membership in September. Leadsome is/was a 'leaver', a Brexiteer, May isn't. The non-London members may well be a majority of 'leavers', who might feel that May's heart is not in 'leaving'. Who knows?

Incidentally, May is a great image-person and self-publicist but her actual level of achievement is less than stellar, see: http://order-order.com/2016/07... which was pulled from the (right wing) Daily Telegraph.

bullshit.

They KNEW what he was doing, they just turned a blind eye to it because he pulled in the viewers away from ITV.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/new...

In 1969, a 16-year-old girl was molested by Savile while standing next to him on a podium during the filming of Top Of The Pops. She complained to a member of staff but was "ejected from the building and left on the street". That girl was Colleen Nolan.

In 1976, Savile molested a young girl on camera while filming Top of the Pops. She complained to an employee, who told her to get out of the way, as staff were trying to move a camera.

Douglas Muggeridge, then controller of Radio 1, launched an inquiry into rumours of Savile's behaviour in 1973 and also asked a press officer to investigate whether the rumours were known on Fleet Street. But Savile denied the allegations and the inquiry was closed. Police were not informed.

When a junior female employee at Television Centre complained to her supervisor that she had been sexually assaulted by Savile, she was told "keep your mouth shut, he is a VIP".

http://order-order.com/2016/02...

They knew. They didn't want to do anything about it because he was too well connected.

Well the protest backfired - drove more people than ever to download Uber in London

http://order-order.com/2014/06...

"Uber is reporting an 850% increase in app downloads today"

Oops. I thought that might happen.

Well the protest backfired - drove more people than ever to download Uber in London

http://order-order.com/2014/06...

It certainly can!

Who do you think the losers will be?

Hint, not the people who wasted a fortune on a system that doesn't work.

Already people are being driven to food banks (much to the amusement of the Tories*, as seen in a debate on the subject) and that's just the few changes they've managed to get through so far.

When UC comes in it'll be a lot worse, homelessness will skyrocket as those who are unable to take care of their finances fall behind on rent (Currently rent is paid direct to landlord by the government, when UC comes in it'll be a single lower payment, all paid to the claimant with them being responsible for paying the rent, it's not hard to see that anyone with drug/alcohol/mental problems is liable to spend the rent)

This country is heading for disaster and the poor are being made to pay for the actions of the bankers etc. who got us into this mess in the first place.

* Laughing Tories: http://order-order.com/2013/12/19/shamed-pictures-of-mps-laughing-in-food-bank-debate/

A reporter worried that Assange would risk killing Afghans who had co-operated with American forces if he put US secrets online without taking the basic precaution of removing their names. "Well, they're informants," Assange replied. "So, if they get killed, they've got it coming to them. They deserve it."

The reporter that attributed those words to Assange is David Leigh. A well known liar, the type of person that breaks contract then lies about it, David Leigh also has been called out out by an independent third party journalist for fabricating those words:

"However, an independent witness – John Goetz, a journalist with Der Spiegel – states that the events related above are simply not true:"

"“I was at dinner at the Moro restaurant in London, along with Marcel Rosenbach from Der Spiegel, David Leigh and Declan Walsh of the Guardian, and Julian Assange of WikiLeaks. Patrick Forbes asked me specifically if Julian Assange had made the remark “They’re informants, they deserve to die” at the dinner, as has been alleged by David Leigh, and I told him that Julian did not say that at the dinner.”"

David Leigh' s systematic pattern of dishonesty.

But you know all this already, don't you Cold Fjord. By calling out your FUD with some facts and counter examples you will feebly defend as you have done in your last post by accusing any detractors from your message of being "fans" or part of some cult. Anything other than, you know, actually addressing the facts or providing solid counter evidence.

So now you have been informed that David Leighs account is highly questionably including credible independent third party witnesses, and that David Leigh has a long history of dishonesty on other non Assange related areas - yet I can guarantee you will be back here with the same ferver like agenda, the same libel Assange quote on the next Wikileaks story. No matter how many times we demonstrate some of your more crazy ideas to be false, you persist on repeating over and again the same falehoods - damn the facts and eternally ignore any counter evidence presented. One can see this clearly time and again across many topics only by browsing your post history and the subsequent replies. Rinse, repeat. This is the classical modus operandi of a troll, a shill and a astroturfer. Facts do not matter.

Yup, Guido Fawkes has already run a poll on whether he should sue Claire Perry. 86% of people say yes. He's already asked her to remove the tweet, but it's still up there.

"Claire Perry, the MP behind the porn blocking plans announced by the Prime Minister this week, has been left red-faced after hackers defaced her website with references to porn."

References to porn (SFW at my job), not porn.

Since TFS couldn't be bothered to include it, here 'tis: Guido's blog.

Since TFS couldn't be bothered to include it, here 'tis: Guido's blog.

The data seen by the Guardian shows that their secret companies are based mainly in the British Virgin Islands.

As opposed to the Guardian's holding company, which is incorporated in the Cayman Islands.

Typical, financially illiterate, hypocritical b.s. from the Grauniad,

Even the well-known and strongly libertarian political blogger Paul Staines/Guido Fawkes is being a bit cagey about this one. Making death threats via a written, public means of communication is about as far from smart as you can get.

Actually, just noticed that more details of the exchange, including screen-caps of the deleted posts, are available at this blog (along with a bit of commentary, so you can make your own mind up.

They most certainly did. Here's a helpful graph for you that shows the number of offenses by each paper as recorded by the Information Commissioners Office: Guido Fawkes Blog

Whilst not on the same scale as the Trinitiy Mirror group the Guardian Media Group are in the same ballpark as News International when compared to the overall number of offenses.

The Guardian are famous for their holier than though, do as we say not as we do, approach to their reporting. For example they campaign consistently against tax evasion yet the Guardian Group itself has used numerous loopholes to avoid taxes, using the same mechanisms they criticise others for using.

What you're witnessing in the media and politics at the moment is a bunch of hypocritical self servers sniping at their competitors and idealogical enemies totally disregarding their own failings and involvement in the same or similar activities. They're all at it, the entire establishment is corrupt, and they all have their own agendas that they're trying to advance.

Guido Fawkes Blog

Handy graph for you showing the number of offences the Information Commissioners Office recorded for each of the papers. You can verify the numbers yourself via the ICO's website.

...and it resulted in some crooked MPs losing their seats, others are facing criminal prosecution. Good. Well done Telegraph.

The Sunday Times did some excellent work on the House of Lords expenses. Well done Sunday Times.

HE never made Parliament sadly. At least this one entered it with honest intentions... http://order-order.com/

Perhaps Murdoch is simply quitting a game that heâ(TM)s losing. The Telegraph, The Guardian and The Daily Mail have consistently dominated the UK ABCes [website traffic]. Why not play a different game altogether?

In the long run The Times website is a likely winner. The Telegraph is loaded down with debt, and The Guardian is losing too much money for even the Scott Trust to support for long.

No newspaper is a pillar of justice and righteousness. The Guardian may be closer to a pillar of hypocrisy and leftiousness, but it does report actual news in an accurate and fairly even-handed manner. I tend to swing between the Guardian and the Telegraph depending on the front page, though I wouldn't sign up to the stance of either. I can stomach either as long as I avoid the editorials*.

Having said that, the Guardian does employ Polly Toynbee, a typical champagne socialist, and a hypocrite to boot**.

In terms of size, the Guardian is the third biggest of what used to be called the broadsheets and you could consider as the real newspapers. The most popular is the Telegraph, but the Sun has ten times the readership at about 8million readers. The Guardian is on about 1/20th of that.

*The Guardian; 'All these capitalists are stealing money from the workers by avoiding tax! This is evil! Unless we're doing it!'
The Telegraph; 'The problem with young people is that too many of them are immigrants and none of them are whipped enough, what?'
**Please don't misconstrue this as support of Littlejohn. A stopped clock is right twice a day etc etc.

No newspaper is a pillar of justice and righteousness. The Guardian may be closer to a pillar of hypocrisy and leftiousness, but it does report actual news in an accurate and fairly even-handed manner. I tend to swing between the Guardian and the Telegraph depending on the front page, though I wouldn't sign up to the stance of either. I can stomach either as long as I avoid the editorials*.

Having said that, the Guardian does employ Polly Toynbee, a typical champagne socialist, and a hypocrite to boot**.

In terms of size, the Guardian is the third biggest of what used to be called the broadsheets and you could consider as the real newspapers. The most popular is the Telegraph, but the Sun has ten times the readership at about 8million readers. The Guardian is on about 1/20th of that.

*The Guardian; 'All these capitalists are stealing money from the workers by avoiding tax! This is evil! Unless we're doing it!'
The Telegraph; 'The problem with young people is that too many of them are immigrants and none of them are whipped enough, what?'
**Please don't misconstrue this as support of Littlejohn. A stopped clock is right twice a day etc etc.

We have some.

Of course they're not quite Michael Moore in that they're more concerned with exposing wrongdoing than endless self-promotion.

Many people have been ousted this year thanks to Guido and the Torygraph, on both sides of the House. The Private Eye and Ian Hislop in particular in his spot on Have I Got News For You are good at keeping the great and *cough* good *cough* uncomfortable. And the mainstream press aren't too bad either, with the Grauniad and Torygraph keeping Governments of right and left respectively on their toes most of the time, with the Independent taking the occasional pot-shot at anyone. The Times is a Murdochian waste of space though.

Wait till the Torygraphy releases the attack dogs on the opposition tomorrow.

Guido has some spoilers up already. It's gonna be sweet.

That depends what you mean by "reporters". What about Guido Fawkes? HuffPo? Crooks and Liars? None of these are newspapers and yet they all contain hard hitting journalism and telling the truth to power. They link to newspapers, yes, but this is only a small portion of their source content.

For the sake of argument, what are their non-newspaper sources?

That depends what you mean by "reporters". What about Guido Fawkes? HuffPo? Crooks and Liars? None of these are newspapers and yet they all contain hard hitting journalism and telling the truth to power. They link to newspapers, yes, but this is only a small portion of their source content.

The BBC's Business Editor is in a different position from a blogger. And there is no doubt that his pronouncements can and do move markets. Guido has had several goes at him, and it is not surprising that a Select Committee wanted his evidence -- not at all the same thing as imprisoning him.

I don't know what planet you anti-government/free market extremist types live on

I live on the planet UK. Here on planet UK our central bank has been measuring inflation based on CPI, and using this to set interest rates. This index excludes housing costs, unlike the previous RPI, in an era where house prices were the major inflationary pressure. In addition, though RPI has historically been about 1% higher than CPI, Gordon Brown reduced the target by 0.5%, giving more room for inflation.

Your claim that corporate loan rates are at fault doesn't stack up; low interest rate loans from the Bank of England kept the cost of corporate lending low, and market forces kept price for corporate lending low. Effectively the BoE applied a price ceiling to the wholesale money markets.

I remember years of being told we had only 2% inflation when the inflation we experienced was closer to 5%. Now we have a situation where the BoE has been forced to print money because the banks have so much of their capital tied up in inflated assets that nobody now wants to touch with a barge-pole. The LIBOR has decoupled from the BoE base rate because the BoE is simply not able to provide enough capital to service existing bank debts, let alone allow them to start loaning on more favourable terms.*

All the while we're being told that it's ok to print money because RPI is currently zero, even though CPI is still above target.

Finally, a warning for UK /.ers. Deflation is a myth! CPI will stay high, partly caused by the fall in the pound. If it does, Mr. King will have to raise interest rates, which will cause RPI to shoot through the roof, as the previously negative housing component turns positive. If you don't believe me, look at what the central bankers themselves think when they're forced to put their own money at risk.

Actually, one more thing. This diatribe could be taken to be a criticism of the Bank of England. I think that the Bank and its staff have behaved with decency and competence. The criticisms I make are general criticisms of a central bank model, which may still be a least-bad one, and a criticism of the brief they were given.

*The LIBOR also contains banks' mutual assessment of their reliability i.e. a risk premium. This is enlightening to see.

You should see what we've done in the United Kingdom. Our resident financial wizards, the Brown/Darling axis, have decided to force our banks to borrow from the state at 12%. In addition to this, to...erm...diversify their books, the banks are to be forced by the FSA to buy government bonds at 4%.

So our bail-out seems to be a large tax.

I fully intend to refuse. I may even get my hands on some copies of the home secretary's fingerprints that the guys at no2id are cooking up and use them instead. I'm a free citizen and I'm not going to be coerced into this bullshit.

Want freedom? Vote Liberal.

True, but at least he referenced the source of the article. Guido (http://www.order-order.com/), Recess Monkey (http://www.recess-monkey.com/) and others don't mind their stories being picked up by the mainstream media/"dead-tree press" but what pisses them off is when they don't get any credit for the stories.