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I swear people around here have the shortest memory author is of course oGalaxyo trolling as usual. And this is just the one's google caught. He posts the "EXACT SAME THING" in every story that mentions GNOME.

Eugenia Loli-Queru

Want to mod this down too don't you!. Here's a fucking clue! 95% of readers read at -1, for good reason! So they can see the truth! I'd rather see the truth in exchange for seeing some Goatses/GNAA posts in return! You lot are almost as bad as Eugeina!

Here's an editorial discussing and explaining exactly the patent issuing problem in US.

You are looking for OSNews.com where the most unpopular OS in the world for some strange reason also happens to be the most newsworthy.

Eugenia Loli Queru explains why

This is interesting.

I know Conectiva is the most popular distro in Latin America and so I guessed that it might be used by more people than slackware. To find it not even in the top 100 makes me wonder if the sampling method is biased.

Could it be for example that internet access is very poor is SA even among those wealthy enough to own computers? Perhaps non-English speakers are less likely to access distowatch? Maybe something else is skewing the results . . . interesting.

BTW, the Windows crowd might not be as clueless about BSD as some think: Windows Services for UNIX (SFU) 3.5. Apparently it is based on BSD (OpenBSD according to this OSNews.com thread). Its free now, and in some ways I like it a bit better than Cygwin. When I need to be on a Windows box, I tend to install either SFU or Cygwin. SFU is very handy once you get some of the stuff from the Interop UNIX tools warehouse installed.

• Amount of performance you'll gain/lose when switching to 64 bit mode depends on the application you intend to run (for instance big gains on SSH/SSL )
• sizes of executables (programs, libs) are significantly larger in 64 bit mode

There is a lot of work going on at Gnome and KDE to use SVG on the desktop. They are using SVG for the GUI: icons, program launchers, etc. See here and here.

I am participating in an interesting thread on www.osnews.com about this. Join in and help me ;)

OSNews has had 2 stories on Amiga and one each on BeOS and SkyOS within the past week. Mercifully, we're spared that on Slashdot.

OSNews also has a greater propensity for posting bare press releases, contentless, flame-prone speculation, and and editorials on programming by people with no grasp of either programming or English.

I am perfectly happy to have the comparatively wise and competent Slashdot editors select the occasional gem from OSNews (which is really amazing at digging stuff up, even if a lot of it's useless) and leaving the chaff/flamebait behind.

OSNews has had 2 stories on Amiga and one each on BeOS and SkyOS within the past week. Mercifully, we're spared that on Slashdot.

OSNews also has a greater propensity for posting bare press releases, contentless, flame-prone speculation, and and editorials on programming by people with no grasp of either programming or English.

I am perfectly happy to have the comparatively wise and competent Slashdot editors select the occasional gem from OSNews (which is really amazing at digging stuff up, even if a lot of it's useless) and leaving the chaff/flamebait behind.

OSNews has had 2 stories on Amiga and one each on BeOS and SkyOS within the past week. Mercifully, we're spared that on Slashdot.

OSNews also has a greater propensity for posting bare press releases, contentless, flame-prone speculation, and and editorials on programming by people with no grasp of either programming or English.

I am perfectly happy to have the comparatively wise and competent Slashdot editors select the occasional gem from OSNews (which is really amazing at digging stuff up, even if a lot of it's useless) and leaving the chaff/flamebait behind.

OSNews has had 2 stories on Amiga and one each on BeOS and SkyOS within the past week. Mercifully, we're spared that on Slashdot.

OSNews also has a greater propensity for posting bare press releases, contentless, flame-prone speculation, and and editorials on programming by people with no grasp of either programming or English.

I am perfectly happy to have the comparatively wise and competent Slashdot editors select the occasional gem from OSNews (which is really amazing at digging stuff up, even if a lot of it's useless) and leaving the chaff/flamebait behind.

OSNews has had 2 stories on Amiga and one each on BeOS and SkyOS within the past week. Mercifully, we're spared that on Slashdot.

OSNews also has a greater propensity for posting bare press releases, contentless, flame-prone speculation, and and editorials on programming by people with no grasp of either programming or English.

I am perfectly happy to have the comparatively wise and competent Slashdot editors select the occasional gem from OSNews (which is really amazing at digging stuff up, even if a lot of it's useless) and leaving the chaff/flamebait behind.

OSNews has had 2 stories on Amiga and one each on BeOS and SkyOS within the past week. Mercifully, we're spared that on Slashdot.

OSNews also has a greater propensity for posting bare press releases, contentless, flame-prone speculation, and and editorials on programming by people with no grasp of either programming or English.

I am perfectly happy to have the comparatively wise and competent Slashdot editors select the occasional gem from OSNews (which is really amazing at digging stuff up, even if a lot of it's useless) and leaving the chaff/flamebait behind.

OSNews has had 2 stories on Amiga and one each on BeOS and SkyOS within the past week. Mercifully, we're spared that on Slashdot.

OSNews also has a greater propensity for posting bare press releases, contentless, flame-prone speculation, and and editorials on programming by people with no grasp of either programming or English.

I am perfectly happy to have the comparatively wise and competent Slashdot editors select the occasional gem from OSNews (which is really amazing at digging stuff up, even if a lot of it's useless) and leaving the chaff/flamebait behind.

Hey! Let's just crosspost everything from OSNews, and like, not even change the titles much. Oh, wait!!! It's been done! Nevermind.

This article, Interview With the People Behind JFS, ReiserFS & XFS asks the developers directly about fragmentation. XFS, JFS, and ReiserFS are extent-based file systems, which keep fragmentation to a minimum.

1. Previous versions of the software have worked in a way I like
2. Current version of the software doesn't work as I like, but can be made to do so by editing a single halfway-hidden config file
3. So instead of either editing that config, or requesting that the setting be made less hidden, I should simply not use otherwise perfectly fine software.

Dear reader the GNOME armageddon has started,

First of all I want to clarify that this text was meant to be a source of information otherwise i wouldn't have spent so much time into writing it.
Belive me it took me a couple of days writing this text in a foreign language.
Even if you don't care at all for GNOME, you may find some interesting information within this text that you like to read. please try to understand my points even if it's hard sometimes, otherwise you wake up one day and feel the need to switch to a different operating system.

On the following lines i'm trying to give you a little insight of the GNOME community. the things that are going on in the back, the information that could be worth talking and thinking about.

Many of us like the GNOME desktop and some of us were following it since the beginning. GNOME is a promising project because it's mostly written in C, easy to use, configurable and therefore fits perfectly into the philosophy of *NIX, only to name some of its advantages.

Unfortunately these advantages changed with the recently new released version of GNOME. The core development team somehow got the idea of targeting GNOME to a complete different direction of users, the so called corporate desktop user.
In other words they're targeting people that aren't familiar or experienced with desktop environments. usually business oriented people who are willing to pay money for getting GNOME on their computers.

Having this new target in mind, the core development team mostly under contract by companies like RedHat,Ximian and Sun decided to simplify the desktop as much as even possible by removing all its flexibility in favor of an easy clean simple interface to not confuse their new possible customers. So far the idea of a clean easy to use desktop is honourable.

Some of the new ideas, features and implementations such asgconf, an evil Windows Registry-like system, new ordering of buttons and dialogs, the removal of 90%-95% of all visible preferences from the control center and applications, the new direction that GNOME leads and the attitude of the core development team made a lot of users really unhappy. These are only a couple of examples and the list can easily be expanded but for now this is enough. Now let me try to get deeper into these aspects.

You may imagine that users got really frustrated because their beloved GNOME desktop matured into something they didn't want. During the time, the frustration of a not less amount of people increased. more, more and more emails arrived on the GNOME mailinglists where users tried to explain their concerns, frustrations and the leading target of GNOME.

But the core development team of GNOME don't give a damn about what their users are thinking or wanting and most of the time they come up with their standard purl. The reply they give is mostly the same -- users should either go and 'file a bug' at BugZilla or the user mails are being turned so far that at the end they sound like being trolls or the user feedback is simply not wanted. whatever happens the answers aren't really satisfying for the user. even constructive feedback isn't appreciated.

If you gonna think about this for a minute then things gonna harden that they are directing into the commercial area. The core development team actually don't care for the complainin

According to this interview with Miguel de Icaza at OSNews, "Ximian is working on a native port of Evolution 2.0 to Windows using the WIMP engine to make the application look XP-native."

I imaging the reference to WIMP is the WIMP-GTK theme for GTK-on-Windows that mirrors the look of Windows.

This is how Gaim handles their Windows "port" (thought I don't think "port" is really the rigtht word.

Here is a Mirrro

Eugeina loli queru has another flamewar for you

'Tis no girl, my good man. 'Tis a monstrous Lesbian beast!

Apparently Lindows, now known as Linspire, shared code and lent Xandros money to develop their own Linux much like Lindows.

PC OnRamp AKA EPC sells Xandros for $40USD on an install CD.

There's also the fact that in most OSNews reviews, if the user (read: Eugenia) can't figure out how something is done, it is automatically the distribution's fault. Plus she'll occasionally spout stuff regarding the distro that is flat out incorrect.

There was one time she couldn't get some Python application(s) working under Slackware, so I tried them on my box. I followed the directions and got them working just fine. It turns out she didn't have her paths set properly. I told her what needed to be done and explained that she failed to set her path properly, so she modded my comment(s) down, continued blaming Slackware for her problems, and pretty much insisted that I shut up. That particular exchange is here. (Be sure to check the "moderated down" comments for that thread as well.)

OSNews is most definitely not the place to go for reviews of any sort.

There's also the fact that in most OSNews reviews, if the user (read: Eugenia) can't figure out how something is done, it is automatically the distribution's fault. Plus she'll occasionally spout stuff regarding the distro that is flat out incorrect.

There was one time she couldn't get some Python application(s) working under Slackware, so I tried them on my box. I followed the directions and got them working just fine. It turns out she didn't have her paths set properly. I told her what needed to be done and explained that she failed to set her path properly, so she modded my comment(s) down, continued blaming Slackware for her problems, and pretty much insisted that I shut up. That particular exchange is here. (Be sure to check the "moderated down" comments for that thread as well.)

OSNews is most definitely not the place to go for reviews of any sort.

What was the tricky part with the old installer?

Installing Debian with the old installer is simple. There are countless tutorials on the net to help you in this endeavor. This article from OSNews works very well --> The Very Verbose Debian 3.0 Installation Walkthrough.

I think people tend to trip over the selecting of modules they need to get certain devices to work. Also I guess newbies might have been intimidated when reaching the point to selecting packages with dselect or tasksel. I tend not to use that and just do a clean minimal base install and "apt-get install" what I need.

IMHO I prefer the old installer to the new one. It felt like a right-of-passage getting through the installation the first time and on subsequent reinstalls(practice makes perfect) I can install minimal Debian system in less then 30 minutes.

Buy a new guide dog you blind fuck! Eugenia is clearly one of the hottest geek babes around, second only to Ceren.

I am a huge fan of Gentoo, having used it for a year and a half on my laptop. When I had to replace the HD after it began the click of death, I decided to look for an i686-optimized binary distro that wouldn't require me to leave the computer on all night, eating away at my battery and HD lifetime. I found on OSnews, ran the install, rebooted, and have been an even happier customer since moving.

Archlinux is, granted, a young distro with a steep learning curve and fewer package choices then Gentoo. I still found it had the most of the benefits that attracted me to Gentoo in the first place: speed, up-to-date software, and a good package manager (a program aptly named 'pacman' which allows me to keep my system up-to-date at all times in a single command (pacman -Syu))

Arch isn't for everyone, at this point I feel it is for those fairly comfortable with Linux, but it shows great potential. If you have time and want to try something new, Arch is my recommendation.

When I heard that it ran as root, that may well have been the deciding factor

That was only the case in the initia; sneak preview. From an interview with the president of Lindows:

I think this stems mostly from the very first "Sneak Preview" of LindowsOS that came out two years ago. In that version, we didn't yet have the system in place to set up users, even though it was always planned.

[...]

It's true we don't force users to run as user, but we certainly do everything short of that. We have the user set up an Admin password during install, and then present them with an easy-to-use screen to set up Users. We even have a page, right during install, that discusses security with the user, and explains how to use passwords, set up users, understand the LindowsOS firewall, etc. to increase the security of their computer.

By default, LindowsOS ships with a very strict firewall in place and no open network services. For this reason, remote hacks to the average user are extremely unlikely.

Debian is Slow, Worse, Expensive

Open source may be good, but there is one example that sticks out like a sore thumb as a problem with open source. Debian gnu/Linux. It is offically the Worst Linux Distribution ever made.

First of all, Debian has the most out of date software packages of any major mainstream distros. Even in the unstable version, is KDE 2.2 and Gnome 2.0, with Xfree86 4.1 (A version that really sucks). There are literally years that pass between each update of Debian.

Secondly, its a pain in the goatse to set up, first of all, you are forced to use Kernel 2.2, which is horribly hacked with "backports" to get any use on any modern machine (Read, made after 1999). Good luck memorizing all the *.ko files in /lib/modules, as you are going to need it.

Configuring XFree86 is hell! If you don't have a Thick X11 orilley book, and a list of your horizontal sync values from your monitor's intruction manual (if you even have one), BOOM! There goes your monitor.

Even then, good luck getting anything over 640x480@16 colours.

The most common response to help questions on the Debian mailing list is "n00b, READ THE FUCKING MANUAL, you idiot, go back to WINDOWS XP if you can't learn to use dselect", true too, search the archives if you think I'm lying. Other distros give you comprehensive PRINTED MANUALS, PHONE SUPPPORT and/or freindly forums where repling RTFM gets you banned!

Debians support for any decent hardware, including USB mice, scanners, Sound cards, heck even Serial devices struggle. If you can even get 80x25 text mode with PS/2 input devices you are really lucky.

Apt-get has many flaws. First of all it uses a non standard package format (the rest of the world uses RPM, deprecate the DEB format!), has broken respetories, and out of date software to install. All this combined with the kludgey dselect user interface make package management a nightmare.

And if you think I'm joking about this, find out why THOUSANDS of Debian users are switching to REAL distributions Debian is falling to pieces, if it is to survive any market share it will be through its superior forks (Xandros, Lindows, K/G-noppix) and unoffical package respetories.

Of course, while all this is going on, the only thing the Debian maintainers do is argue about politics on the mailing lists. The distribution decays while its creators argue over inane details like software licensing and the virtues of Marxism. Please! Spare me the political rhetoric and just give me a working distro!

Don't get me wrong, I love Linux, and I'm happily using distros such as Mandrake, SuSE, Gentoo and Fedora. But I'm sick to death of zealots that push obsolete Distros on me EVERY FREAKING TIME linux is mentioned. I'm speaking from real world experiance here.

YHBT.

If you do a textsearch across Slashdot for the non-specific parts of that post, you'll find it's pretty much a fill-out-the-form troll.

Like this.

Sheesh. This is a template troll, guys. Check out http://www.osnews.com/comment.php?news_id=6081.

Honestly, it's so you can't even moderate a troll down successfully anymore.

I've yet to reinstall OS X on my iBook after 2 years but if and when there are several that are amazing and essential.

Quicksilver- by far the most elegent (free too) app launcher and more. It's having the ability to launch almost anything from the keyboard. An iTunes playlist, email an address book contact, launch a webpage and so on...
Transmit- best FTP program on any platform, better than Smart FTP on Windows
Net News Wire Lite- great free CSS reader
xPad- its like a notepad but a million times better and useful
Slim Battery Monitor- take back your menu space while still getting the same information
Weather Pop- So simple it should've been a part of OS X

The good people over at OSnews.com wrote a great article about the Mac OS X Applications You Can't Live Without last Dec. It's missing Quicksilver but has some good suggestions of some damn good applications.

Debian is Slow, Worse, Expensive

Open source may be good, but there is one example that sticks out like a sore thumb as a problem with open source. Debian gnu/Linux. It is offically the Worst Linux Distribution ever made.

First of all, Debian has the most out of date software packages of any major mainstream distros. Even in the unstable version, is KDE 2.2 and Gnome 2.0, with Xfree86 4.1 (A version that really sucks). There are literally years that pass between each update of Debian.

Secondly, its a pain in the goatse to set up, first of all, you are forced to use Kernel 2.2, which is horribly hacked with "backports" to get any use on any modern machine (Read, made after 1999). Good luck memorizing all the *.ko files in /lib/modules, as you are going to need it.

Configuring XFree86 is hell! If you don't have a Thick X11 orilley book, and a list of your horizontal sync values from your monitor's intruction manual (if you even have one), BOOM! There goes your monitor.

Even then, good luck getting anything over 640x480@16 colours.

The most common response to help questions on the Debian mailing list is "n00b, READ THE FUCKING MANUAL, you idiot, go back to WINDOWS XP if you can't learn to use dselect", true too, search the archives if you think I'm lying. Other distros give you comprehensive PRINTED MANUALS, PHONE SUPPPORT and/or freindly forums where repling RTFM gets you banned!

Debians support for any decent hardware, including USB mice, scanners, Sound cards, heck even Serial devices struggle. If you can even get 80x25 text mode with PS/2 input devices you are really lucky.

Apt-get has many flaws. First of all it uses a non standard package format (the rest of the world uses RPM, deprecate the DEB format!), has broken respetories, and out of date software to install. All this combined with the kludgey dselect user interface make package management a nightmare.

And if you think I'm joking about this, find out why THOUSANDS of Debian users are switching to REAL distributions Debian is falling to pieces, if it is to survive any market share it will be through its superior forks (Xandros, Lindows, K/G-noppix) and unoffical package respetories.

Of course, while all this is going on, the only thing the Debian maintainers do is argue about politics on the mailing lists. The distribution decays while its creators argue over inane details like software licensing and the virtues of Marxism. Please! Spare me the political rhetoric and just give me a working distro!

Don't get me wrong, I love Linux, and I'm happily using distros such as Mandrake, SuSE, Gentoo and Fedora. But I'm sick to death of zealots that push obsolete Distros on me EVERY FREAKING TIME linux is mentioned. I'm speaking from real world experiance here.

4. How is Gentoo, the company, organized? What is its member structure? Also, how one can get CVS commit access?

Daniel Robbins: At its heart, Gentoo Linux really isn't a company but a development team and user community. I do have a corporation called Gentoo Technologies, Inc. that holds the copyrights for the vast majority of our GPL code, but that's it. We aren't generating any income from Gentoo Linux (besides donations), and our development team is 100% volunteer. Generally, we have been completely supported by donations, particularly from a few of our developers. For example, our server is in a great datacenter thanks to a generous developer. As we grow, we plan to gradually wean ourselves from our dependence on donations by developing creative and "free software-friendly" ways of generating income.

I was talking about OSnews story last week, it seems they also picked up this article. Anyways their discussion was more mature than the average slashdot one so head on over and read theirs here.

I don't know about that, but I have in fact done testing and C# is slower at almost everything when compared to C/C++ and it gets really bad at the high end.

I don't know what 'benchmarks' you used to come up with that conclusion. There was a previous /. post about programming language benchmarks and the study's results are nicely tabulated.

In this study, C# came in 2nd place overall among many common programming languages, after VC++. It even destroyed gcc C in trig calculations, though, got slaughtered by gcc C's 'double' math tests.

Even with that said, the difference in speed between C# and VC++ for DeDRMS decryption on a reasonably new computer would be so small that the time taken to port the code from C# to any other language would be better spend picking you nose.

Am I supposed to copy and paste your entire comment to not be selective?

Without wishing to get involved in a pointless finger pointing exercise, I think leaving off the final 'in many ways (though not all)' from my quote qualifies as setting up a straw man.

No, we were talking about innovation in free software.

Ok then, in that case in my experience Linux servers running on server class hardware are inferior (although they certainly offer more bang for your buck) to say, Irix running on SGI server hardware. So I don't see innovation. I see gradual improvement of the Linux kernel, and it's certainly competitive with other current Unix server offerings but I don't see how this would classify as innovation.

Which means it was buzzword compliant? What tangible, useful features did the BeOS filesystem enable?

Ok, after a 5 minute google search:

BeOS filesystem

Linux 2.6 has excellent multimedia support, especially if you use an optimized kernel. But again, what tangible features did this enable in BeOS that Linux cannot do?

Ok so the latest kernel which we're not going to be able to use for a good year or so likely (while we wait for our apps to be certified) is competitive with an operating system developed circa 1997. Look I'm not actually trying to be a BeOS advocate here, the fact is it was extremely advanced for it's time. I'm not sure why it offends you so greatly that I should suggest it bests Linux in some areas.

As a matter of fact, I think it has been shown that it works very well. There is no "problem". For instance, the KDE project has produced a usable and quite advanced desktop environment that is quite comparable to any other OS on the market today, in just a few years with zero external funding. Now, it does have its issues as far as integration with the underlying system, but to say that the Linux desktop is a failure is simply incorrect. It is quite usable even today if you know what you are doing. It is lightyears ahead of any commercial UNIX offering (such as Solaris, Irix, and so on).

The Linux desktop is OK. KDE is OK, but your assertion that it's comparable with Windows or OS X is highly subjective. I personally think it's a fair way behind XP (which is now 2 years old) and a long, long way behind OS X.

Irix is clunky and old, but it's remarkably solid for what it does. It lacks many of the holes that pervade the Linux desktop experience (KDE or Gnome).

Did I ever say that? Or are you putting words in my mouth? It doesn't have to be IBM. It could be Novell, Wal-mart, Intel, Dell, or any large company that buys or sells large quantities of inexpensive desktop computers. After all, hardware prices tend to decrease over time, and I see a problem when your $100 computer needs a $140 operating system.

I have my own theory about what happens here. I personally think that eventually, Linux (or something like it) will occupy the centre ground of the computer desktop market. That's assuming the computer desktop continues to exist in it's current form.

However that doesn't necessarily mean someone is going to pay to make it into a super slick desktop OS. I think that given time, the Linux desktop will be become 'good enough' for the majority of users, since the needs of the average user are fairly modest.

Perhaps there'll still be a more refined alternative for those of us that want such a thing - or perhaps not, depends how things pan out over the next decade.

Anyway, I personally think that nobody is going to put the kind of funding into developing the Linux desktop that means it will ever improve at the same rate as Windows or Mac OS. You're welcome to disagree.

Debian is Slow, Worse, Expensive

Open source may be good, but there is one example that sticks out like a sore thumb as a problem with open source. Debian gnu/Linux. It is offically the Worst Linux Distribution ever made.

First of all, Debian has the most out of date software packages of any major mainstream distros. Even in the unstable version, is KDE 2.2 and Gnome 2.0, with Xfree86 4.1 (A version that really sucks). There are literally years that pass between each update of Debian.

Secondly, its a pain in the goatse to set up, first of all, you are forced to use Kernel 2.2, which is horribly hacked with "backports" to get any use on any modern machine (Read, made after 1999). Good luck memorizing all the *.ko files in /lib/modules, as you are going to need it.

Configuring XFree86 is hell! If you don't have a Thick X11 orilley book, and a list of your horizontal sync values from your monitor's intruction manual (if you even have one), BOOM! There goes your monitor.

Even then, good luck getting anything over 640x480@16 colours.

The most common response to help questions on the Debian mailing list is "n00b, READ THE FUCKING MANUAL, you idiot, go back to WINDOWS XP if you can't learn to use dselect", true too, search the archives if you think I'm lying. Other distros give you comprehensive PRINTED MANUALS, PHONE SUPPPORT and/or freindly forums where repling RTFM gets you banned!

Debians support for any decent hardware, including USB mice, scanners, Sound cards, heck even Serial devices struggle. If you can even get 80x25 text mode with PS/2 input devices you are really lucky.

Apt-get has many flaws. First of all it uses a non standard package format (the rest of the world uses RPM, deprecate the DEB format!), has broken respetories, and out of date software to install. All this combined with the kludgey dselect user interface make package management a nightmare.

And if you think I'm joking about this, find out why THOUSANDS of Debian users are switching to REAL distributions Debian is falling to pieces, if it is to survive any market share it will be through its superior forks (Xandros, Lindows, K/G-noppix) and unoffical package respetories.

Of course, while all this is going on, the only thing the Debian maintainers do is argue about politics on the mailing lists. The distribution decays while its creators argue over inane details like software licensing and the virtues of Marxism. Please! Spare me the political rhetoric and just give me a working distro!

Don't get me wrong, I love Linux, and I'm happily using distros such as Mandrake, SuSE, Gentoo and Fedora. But I'm sick to death of zealots that push obsolete Distros on me EVERY FREAKING TIME linux is mentioned. I'm speaking from real world experiance here.

How gratious to way until 24 hours after OSNews ran this!

It's not worth discussing.

I know you don't like the "exclusive hardware" concept and that is fair enough, but you've told a few lies in this post that counts as going so far as trolling.

1. Only Eyetech have been granted such a license
Eyetech is the only one who applied for a license. It's a support and anti-piracy measure; if you don't like that, then fine. Hyperion/Amiga, Inc. have stated repeatedly that there is no reason why a 3rd party PPC mfg. cannot apply for an OEM AmigaOS4 license. Some have said that piracy killed the Amiga (I at least think it contributed significantly), do you not think a small developer like Hyperion can justly ask for some restrictions on the use of their software which they can only hope in their wildest dreams to at least break even on non-labour costs?

2. and are now (well, since two(?) years) selling the Teron boards mentioned above with an extra 60% on the price as "AmigaOne SE",
The AmigaOne SE is no longer available from eyetech.

3. "AmigaOne PX"
There is no such thing, perhaps you mean the AmigaOne XE, a G4 PPC based motherboard that sells for $829 USD at the American store I just linked?

This is a lot cheaper than the $3,900 quoted on mai's Teron CX page, isn't it? How do you get "60% more" out of that! An AmigaOne is 80% cheaper than a Teron CX evaluation board!!!

4. "Micro AmigaOne", respectively.
Show me where these are available to the public... these are targeted at embedded markets? and are not available to the public

5. Thereby suitable Macs (otherwise a pretty damn obvious target for a PPC "consumer" OS), Terons sold by anybody else regardless of trademarks, Pegasoses, and whatever you could possibly think of in the future, are all out of the question by default. No licence/licencee, no new hardware base for AmigaOS.

Yeah, right. You know very well the complicated politics behind the Pegasos support. You know very well that Bill Buck (Genesi/Thendic "relations") is not the easiest person in the world to do business with, especially when he doesn't like the idea of going to effort to license an OS on his own platform that competes with his own baby?

And about the macs, that IS debatable, but I think you have over-simplified the situation there too.

i know more people running desktop linux than desktop mac. And I even own an ibook (but run linux on it).

mac is all very nice, but i just cannot do some real work on it. I hate the interface. For most other people, the hardware is just to obscure and expensive.

First thing I found was http://www.osnews.com/comment.php?news_id=6013 So far, so good: Linux has 3.2% of desktop share and passed Apple according to that. Another good read is http://www.ecommercetimes.com/perl/story/32706.htm l. No definite answer there. A quote: 'According to The Linux Counter, there are probably somewhere between 2,747,850 and 68,689,500 Linux users worldwide.' Great.

So maybe I can figure Linux %% out from some browser stats... http://www.upsdell.com/BrowserNews/stat.htm gives some info but its stat sources may produce rather biased results (imo). Since Google is Google is Google I trust it. So here's what I see: http://www.google.com/press/zeitgeist.html Can't be Linux is only 1%... lets look for something else.

Next thing I found thecounter.com - a web util which lets you add counter to your pages, they also publish stats from their hits. If you want to take 2 minutes and compare 2004 march results (http://www.thecounter.com/stats/2004/March/browse r.php) and eg 2003 january results (http://www.thecounter.com/stats/2003/January/brow ser.php) then you may see strange things there: linux users went down from some 0.42% to 0.29%.

I give up here. Now before you mark me as flamebait - I know there are some possible explanations like faking UA to prettend windoze. However I wonder what is reality: 3.2%(OSnews estimate) or 1%-0.28%(Google+some webcounter log data). That would be some 3/4 linux users faking UA.

Take a look at http://www.osnews.com/story.php?news_id=6282&page= 1

Here are the details. Pair.com didn't give him $20,000 USD to just make something up as he goes along.

Yahoo! and Apple already contribute to FreeBSD (core team interview).

He left out two important words at the end of this sentence.

"I have now used LindowsOS for a little over one week and found it to be the best Linux Distro so far for me"