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When in text mode installer, I go to package group details with F2, then select all packages, click OK, when I go again there, they are not selected. Therefore, it is not possible to install emacs initially, as emacs is not installed by default, at least in productivity / office profile.

Graphical installer cannot be used with flat panels, as the X server starts with vertical refresh rate over 85 Hz, and usually flat panels top below that. Only text mode installation is possible with flat panels.

How is OCFS2 comapred to, say, Redhat's GFS? ( http://www.redhat.com/software/rha/gfs/ )

Thanks.

Do orinoco wireless cards work with the udev/kernel used in FC5? The latest udev in FC4 breaks orinoco NICs, and I'd rather not install FC5 to find that it's still broken. (Presumably it is since there's been no activity in the bug recently, but there's always the chance it was fixed upstream and never noticed by Red Hat.) With FC4 I could revert the kernel/udev updates that broke it; doing the same with FC5 isn't just installing the "previous" udev/kernel packages (since there are none unless I want to start tracking through rawhide), and I don't have the time to make the effort.

...has been released 25 minutes before the actual OS release. Generally you need to wait for at least a few minutes!

        * From: Fedora Project
        * To: fedora-announce-list redhat com
        * Subject: Announcing the release of Fedora Core 5
        * Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2006 11:18:16 -0500
https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-announce-li st/2006-March/msg00027.html

        * From: "Raymond Strode"
        * To: fedora-announce-list redhat com
        * Subject: [SECURITY] Fedora Core 5 Update: xorg-x11-server-1.0.1-9
        * Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2006 10:55:41 -0500
https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-announce-li st/2006-March/msg00026.html

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Romain.

...has been released 25 minutes before the actual OS release. Generally you need to wait for at least a few minutes!

        * From: Fedora Project
        * To: fedora-announce-list redhat com
        * Subject: Announcing the release of Fedora Core 5
        * Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2006 11:18:16 -0500
https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-announce-li st/2006-March/msg00027.html

        * From: "Raymond Strode"
        * To: fedora-announce-list redhat com
        * Subject: [SECURITY] Fedora Core 5 Update: xorg-x11-server-1.0.1-9
        * Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2006 10:55:41 -0500
https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-announce-li st/2006-March/msg00026.html

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Romain.

Maybe I'm missing something, but do we really need an Release Announcement like this? What is this? Linux for 5 year olds?

The Fedora Download page, which is according to the announcement message supposed to redirect you to one of the mirrors, does not work - it redirects to ftp://download.fedora.redhat.com which is (of course) busy. So let me allow to advertise my mirror - if you are in Europe, I have still about half a gigabit of bandwidth free at

ftp://ftp.linux.cz/pub/linux/fedora-core/5/

-Yenya

Fixed kernel is here. It's not in official updates yet.

It won't be "fixed", it's like that by design. Check http://fedora.redhat.com/About/ (Why can't Fedora play mp3 files?)

Fedora Directory Server http://directory.fedora.redhat.com/wiki/Main_Page and Sun Java Directory http://www.sun.com/software/products/directory_srv r/home_directory.xml are both derived from old Netscape LDAP solution and I can highly recommend it.
Time based ACI are supported with no problem and you are also free to provide directory services to MS products. To this end you can choose either the samba (which means extending the schema) or some fancy access manager http://www.sun.com/software/products/access_mgr/in dex.xml like solution.
It is often neglected in discussions on the subject how important it is to make sure you got binding permissions right. If you forbid access to some identity based on time of the day constraints make sure this identity will always try to bind to the directory as "self" - not some other (higher) identity.

Yes, they will.

Yes, they do.

Each license of Redhat Advanced Server Linux costs me about $1200. How exactly does this save me money?

If you read TFA, you'll find several companies providing their own solutions with no redhat licenses involved. You can download all of the Redhat enterprise software right now for free (open source != licenses) and create a new company providing a specific solution for specific customers.

THat's not something you can do with the "one-size-fits-all" windows solutions.

By alocating one external hub to each "station" you can use HAL config script to "alocate" the each hub to its station. All it takes then is to customise the GNOME/X Display Manager to grant read write access to devices pluged into that hub for the user logging in to the X session.

A little cement on the hub could lock in the keyboard and mouse.

It would be nice to see comparisons to RedHat/Sistina's GFS, Lustre (backed by HP), and others listed here.

Also how does this compare to clustered storage that is not run on the hosts themselves like NetApp new Spinnaker based clustering. You also have folks like Isilon, Panasas, and Terrascale.

Anybody have an good data on this?
-Ack

Red Hat already supports EFI for Itanium systems, and has pledged to work on supporting the new x86 Macs' EFI.

Not really that surprising, as their free version runs on the older G3, G4 and G5 Macs...

Red Hat already supports EFI for Itanium systems, and has pledged to work on supporting the new x86 Macs' EFI.

Not really that surprising, as their free version runs on the older G3, G4 and G5 Macs...

Oddly, you seem to have failed to read the link I provided, so here it is in plaintext: http://directory.fedora.redhat.com/wiki/Licensing
Either which way, downloading and using for free is a long way away from five digits of USD. Sorry, your cluebat remains pristine.

Cheers.

The problems went away when I switched from RedHat to another distribution, so it wasn't the hardware.

Take a look at http://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?i d=73097 as an example of RedHat's attitude to RPM problems. There was a known problem with RPM trashing the database and locking up, and the problem stayed unfixed for several major revisions. Maybe they've got the bugs out by now, I'll decide once I've been running SLES for a couple of years... but the user interface is still horrible.

Erm, perhaps it's not all GPL, but it is all under some version of a free license. Details here. Free (as in beer, etc) download of FDS (Binary RPMs for you redhatty folks!) right here. *puts away cluebat*

Erm, perhaps it's not all GPL, but it is all under some version of a free license. Details here. Free (as in beer, etc) download of FDS (Binary RPMs for you redhatty folks!) right here. *puts away cluebat*

*deploys cluebat* Installing FDS on Debian for how much money? Oh, right, zilch! If I had a dollar for ever time some idiot company or admin tried to buy his way out of a problem, I could own the company. If you guys seriously entertained that as a real possibility and it didn't occur to you that "Hey, it's GPL software, all of it, we can freaking rpm -i it ourselves" then I feel sorry for you. We have no money to buy a directory system, but guess what, that's OK!

pay more for being able to handle more processors, when OSes like linux just work to what you have.

Comparing a supported, paid OS like Windows is apples to oranges. If you want to be fair, compare Windows to a supported Linux vendor, like Red Hat. They do, in fact, have limitations on certain versions of the OS. And yes, one of those limitations is the number of CPUs.

It depends how old your system is. I believe that Debian Woody is still getting patches, but Potato is not; it was released August 14th, 2000. Security updates were discontinued as of June 30th, 2003, or about just under 3 years. Windows 2000 was released right around the same time, and it still gets a few security fixes now and then, though it hit its "end of life" period 4 years after its release. Red Hat 7 was released September 25, 2000 and hit its end of life in mid-2002. Neither product is receiving official security updates, though I'm sure a few kind souls may have backported some important patches. I guess you can manually patch your system over the years by compiling the source yourself, but how many people are really going to do that rather than follow the upgrade path? So yes, you can run an old version of Linux and keep it secure, but it will not be officially supported any longer than Windows and it will put an extra burden on you.

But in reality you are _effectively_ selling the software as well since it's bundled with the support - you can't get the support without the software, they are a package.

Sure you can.

It boggles the mind that complete BS from an anonymous source can be modded insightful and interesting. I guess there are still people that trust everything they read on the internet.

Sally has no choice but to pay for another copy of Windows,

• freebsd
• openbsd
• netbsd
• gnu-darwin
• ReactOS
• SuSe
• Fedora
• Debian
• Gentoo

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Use google:

http://www.redhat.com/magazine/010aug05/features/s ubversion/

Nice load of crap, until recently the only choice for commercial use of mysql was the $1499 enterprise license, which wasn't year limited. Now the choices all seem to be per year.. M$ starts at free for the express edition (which is freely redistributable even for commercial use, but has limits on the number of CPU's and RAM it can use, and goes to about $4k, which you don't have to keep paying for. The base standard edition of sql server is $900 which is two years of basic mysql. Mysql is free for opensource use, but commercial use of it doesn't count as opensource if anything connecting to the box isn't opensource.

http://www.edirectsoftware.com/product_category.ph p?catID=57
https://shop.mysql.com/network.html?rz=s2

Red hat enterprise edition used to be ~1.5k per license and was node locked, while the base windows server licenses were 1k. That has changed so the basic windows license is now ~370 (ive seen them as low as $150) bucks for web edition (unlimited cal) ~550 for the standard edition (5 CAL) and $800 for the small business version which has sql server, sharepoint outlook etc already included.

https://www.redhat.com/en_us/USA/rhel/compare/serv er/

says the RHE ES is ~349 bucks, basic edition and goes to $800, AS is ~1500 to ~2500. ES and AS have been in the past diffrent kernel versions and such, We have software where I work that _ONLY_ runs on AS forcing us to buy the $1500 versions to get the updates. This ends up costing us more per machine than the extra CALS for the windows box. In fact last year we spend nearly twice as much on the linux machines as the windows ones. We also ship a product that uses mysql as an internal database. The per year licencing costs are a very significant portion of the sale price of the machine over the expected 10 year lifetime of the products in customers locations.

It wouldn't exactly be the first closed-source binary for Linux. If you thought it was, you'd better check out the Red Hat Software Catalog for some of the most actively supported software. And that list is by no means complete - for example, there have been dozens of closed-source games for linux, but there are no games at all in the Red Hat catalog.

Don't type GFS when you mean Google File System. GFS is the Global File System.

No errors in 200 days is normal with most filesystems I think. All our servers and my home desktop use ext3, which I've had no problems with. I've used JFS, but only recently. Short of other posts in this thread, I've heard only good things about JFS though.

I did see a Red Hat bug report a while back about very large file write performance issues on ext3: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi? id=156437. I don't know if the fix is in the official kernel yet, or if it was just a RHEL specific bug. The bug report's status is still "ON_QA". A successful workaround for now was to mount the partition with the noreservation option.

200TB of Xserve RAID storage (link includes pictures)

Text of the article:

The University of Wisconsin - Madison has deployed 35 5.6TB Xserve RAID storage arrays in a single research installation as part of an ongoing scientific computing initiative.

The Grid Laboratory of Wisconsin (GLOW), a partnership between several research departments at the University of Wisconsin, have installed almost 200TB, or 200,000GB, of Xserve RAID arrays.

As a comparison, 200TB of storage is enough to hold 2.75 years of high definition video, 25,000 full length DVD movies, 323,000 CDs, 20 printed collections of the Library of Congress, or over 1000 Wikipedias.

The GLOW storage installation is physically split between the departments of Computer Sciences and High Energy Physics. Each Xserve RAID is attached to a dedicated Linux node running Fedora Core via an Apple Fibre Channel PCI-X Card and is either directly accessed via various mechanisms, such as over the network via gigabit ethernet, or aggregated using tools such as dCache.

The storage is primarily used to act as a holding area for large amounts of data from experiments such as the Compact Muon Solenoid (CMS) and ATLAS experiments at the Large Hadron Collider at CERN.

Dude! What year is it where you are? Go here: http://fedora.redhat.com/ download and instal the distro, and use KDE.

You can have a desktop linux NOW. Fetch a modern commercial distro (http://www.ubuntu.com/>Ubuntu, Mandrake, etc) or any of the free ones and you'll have an excellent desktop with little issues, if any.

    The people that bitch about the "linux desktop" haven't normally ever tried Linux and want something that feels like their WinXP desktop. If you're looking for that, yes, there's nothing like it now and probably won't be for a while. If you want an useable Unix desktop, there's a lot of excellent ones arround.
    You have a wide choice of desktops and window and managers, and there's a lot of excellent software for them. A linux desktop is useable today, and by anyone - i had Ubuntu on a desktop for a while and my mother, who's 'computer-imparied' had zero issues using it. Besides being unable to find the blue E icon ;)

Wasn't Fedora actually the _first_ distribution that offered eclipse running with free software and natively compiled? At least http://sources.redhat.com/eclipse/ says it's natively compiled in Fedora Core 4.

Truth is Yellow Dog has always been a PowerPC distribution and that's where it is good at. On the x86 side of things there are plenty of distributions to choose from, including Suse and Redhat. Doing a search for "EFI Linux" with Google gives me the following links amongst others:

    - http://sourceforge.net/projects/elilo
    - http://docs.hp.com/en/5991-1247/ch05s21.html
    - Search for EFI at RedHat

From reading the above sites it would seem that if you are ready to diverge from a standard install, then it should already be possible to run Linux on EFI based Macs. Linux has the biggest advantage of having code which is easily modifiable by whoever has an itch to scratch, whereas MS-Windows depends on Microsoft having a business case for doing so.

As a certified Internet Lawyer I can advise you that it doesn't apply to FreeBSD. That's right, use Linux and go a federal pound me in the ass prison, or use FreeBSD and stay, well Free.

Hence the name.

Here's an Operating System fud^H^H^Hfact sheet

1) Windows. Expensive. Not FreeBSD. You may BURN in HELL forever if you use it.
2) Linux. Free Unix type OS, unquantifiable risk of prison rape. No strlcat.
3) NetBSD. Let's face it do you really need all those platforms? Why not concentrate on optimising for today's mainstream hardware. My friend Bob installed it on his new box, and it caught fire and burned down his house.
4) OpenBSD. Kick ass security. Theo seems a bit odd. Lags a bit feature and driver wise. There are reports that OpenBSD users may die of untreatable brain cancer.
5) MacOs. Slick. Good for clients. Expensive. You may have to grow a goatee, wear black polo necks. Mac OS users won't accept you as one of them, they will mock your dress sense behind your back.

Face it, FreeBSD is the best choice for every person in the world. Fact.

Taking that stance, why is RH Europe in existance http://www.europe.redhat.com/ ? Or even better how about a reseller based in NZ ?

Also the title of Novell http://www.novell.com/ is "Novell Worldwide", not exactly European only?

I think you failed to make any point, I am certain that the free distributions outweigh the commerical and the commerical products that exist happily aim at a worldwide audience.

Taking that stance, why is RH Europe in existance http://www.europe.redhat.com/ ? Or even better how about a reseller based in NZ ?

Also the title of Novell http://www.novell.com/ is "Novell Worldwide", not exactly European only?

I think you failed to make any point, I am certain that the free distributions outweigh the commerical and the commerical products that exist happily aim at a worldwide audience.

Hardware VS Software Raid

The $13 card you purchased is software Raid. Promise cards are mostly hardware RAID. I recently purchased a Promise FastTrack S150 SX4-M for less than $100 hardware RAID5 card compared to the $30-50 software RAID5 cards. I'm pretty satisified with the purchase but unfortunately there isn't room for much upgrade. I currently have 4x160GB in a RAID5 configuration giving me 480GB of space and 1 disc of redundnacy.

Some useful links to tell you the difference between software raid and hardware raid are:

http://www.pcguide.com/ref/hdd/perf/raid/conf/ctrl Hardware-c.html
http://www.redhat.com/docs/manuals/linux/RHL-9-Man ual/custom-guide/s1-raid-approaches.html
http://techrepublic.com.com/5100-10880_11-5715216. html
http://www.linuxplanet.com/linuxplanet/tutorials/4 349/2/

$ sudo modprobe uli526x

It is based on the Netscape Certificate Server product (which is in use at the DoD as part of a huge certificate infrastructure) but has numerous additional features including a smartcard/token management system that enables two factor authentication out of the box.

Disclosure: I'm the Principal Engineer for Red Hat Certificate System. (Previously known as Netscape Certificate Management System).

Our product is fairly widely deployed. For example, every single one of the 18+ million Certificates issued from the US Dept of Defense CAC (smartcard) deployment use our Certificate Authority. There are many other deployments within the Federal government also.

In addition, someone mentioned Geotrust. Geotrust built their certificate issuance service on top our certificate authority, so of course I think very highly of them.

Our product is an enterprise-class (meaning hugely scalable, and fault tolerant), full featured, mature product, written by engineers with many years experience in the PKI field.

But, I would like to turn the question around - If you haven't deployed a PKI yet, what is stopping you?

As an example, one of the deployment-blockers we found in the past few years was the poor integration PKI management systems (Certificate Authorities) had with Smartcard Management Systems. So, we engineered a smartcard management system, and bundled into the Certificate System at no extra cost.

What applications would people like to see PKI-enabled that aren't already?

And since I'm a Red Hat employee now, I am constantly thinking about integration with Red Hat Enterprise Linux and Fedora - so, what changes would you want to see happen?

Has the great and prestidgeous institute known as the Mercedes Marketing department come to stoop so low as this?

I know that you were probably joking, but we really do love our cars. If they had actually been looking for an appeal to Slashdot, they would simply indicate that Mercedes-Benz engineers tend to favor Linux desktops. No, seriously. :-)

Uh-Uh Sparky,

"Software IOTLB -- Intel® EM64T does not support an IOMMU in hardware while AMD64 processors do. This means that physical addresses above 4GB (32 bits) cannot reliably be the source or destination of DMA operations. Therefore, the Red Hat Enterprise Linux 3 Update 2 kernel "bounces" all DMA operations to or from physical addresses above 4GB to buffers that the kernel pre-allocated below 4GB at boot time. This is likely to result in lower performance for IO-intensive workloads for Intel® EM64T as compared to AMD64 processors"

http://www.redhat.com/docs/manuals/enterprise/RHEL -3-Manual/release-notes/as-amd64/RELEASE-NOTES-U2- x86_64-en.html

That's it! I'm putting in a suggestion to my company that we put in this 3rd party patch for the few Windows servers we have left.

Slating distributions for depending on python is like criticising them for depending on libc.

Distributions depend on libc because they have to.

Distributions depend on Python because they want to.

Proof by analogy is logical fallacy.

I like Python too, but with Perl, Python, and all the shells that distros come with these days, it's no wonder Fedora comes on 4 CDs.

here here here here and here

How do you explain how TrollTech makes money with a GPL'd program (Qt and its official frameworks)? Or how CodeWeavers makes money off of CrossOver Office when WINE is Free in both ways? Or how RedHat makes money off of providing a Linux distro + support when there is Fedora Core, their fully Free distro of RedHat?

Old business models die hard, and the new methods are proving to be a success. Even Novell, IBM, Apple, Sun, and others are benefitting financially from Free software.