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Re:Fine....
This is the second time I've seen this. It's analog! analogue means something else entirely.
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Re:ExceptReally? Would you care to post that definition, because I don't see it.
I meant to say "steal" instead of "theft" -- my apologies. Stealing is also not equal to theft, but I think it goes into "Insane" vs. "Psychologically Ill" and that...
The first definition of "steal" however is:
To take (the property of another) without right or permission.
The discrepency comes forth with, define property. By following the dictionary definitions (since we're doing good with them) we have definition 1.c:
Something tangible or intangible to which its owner has legal title: properties such as copyrights and trademarks.
And mind you, except for my previous blunder, I say that mp3 "sharing" is stealing, and theft is reserved for a legal sense (In which case legal proceedings would be hard pressed to define it as theft, I'm not arguing that).
Hmm. Taking and removing of personal property. Not intellectual property. Looks like the same definition as above, only more descriptive.
This is why I'm saying that, from a legal definition, it is not theft but it is stealing.
BTW, thanks for the polite debate. :)
My pleasure, it's hard to find people on here that know the difference between Troll, Flame, Argument, and Debate. Debates are constructive, and I enjoy them... although I do love bringing the idiots out into the open. -
Re:ExceptReally? Would you care to post that definition, because I don't see it.
I meant to say "steal" instead of "theft" -- my apologies. Stealing is also not equal to theft, but I think it goes into "Insane" vs. "Psychologically Ill" and that...
The first definition of "steal" however is:
To take (the property of another) without right or permission.
The discrepency comes forth with, define property. By following the dictionary definitions (since we're doing good with them) we have definition 1.c:
Something tangible or intangible to which its owner has legal title: properties such as copyrights and trademarks.
And mind you, except for my previous blunder, I say that mp3 "sharing" is stealing, and theft is reserved for a legal sense (In which case legal proceedings would be hard pressed to define it as theft, I'm not arguing that).
Hmm. Taking and removing of personal property. Not intellectual property. Looks like the same definition as above, only more descriptive.
This is why I'm saying that, from a legal definition, it is not theft but it is stealing.
BTW, thanks for the polite debate. :)
My pleasure, it's hard to find people on here that know the difference between Troll, Flame, Argument, and Debate. Debates are constructive, and I enjoy them... although I do love bringing the idiots out into the open. -
Re:You Amateur.Moron, it's 'moron' .
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Re:Can't "remove" judicial oversight
Congress can't just wave away the need for judicial oversight, and that includes signing treaties.
But can they waive them away?
It's not a surprising error. The same mistake occured in the closed captions of courtroom dramas. I wouldn't be surprised to see CourtTV getting it wrong on a regular basis.
Sorry to be off topic. Lose vs. loose gets so much attention that wave vs. waive has gotten lost. Let he who noticed the error before reading this response be the first to mod down.
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Re:Just a little definition for you all...
The word "Techno" actually MEANS "Art"
Interesting. This site defines techno as "styles of dance music" derived from the prefix techno (as in technology)
If however you were talking about the prefix rather then the word, you are still incorrect.
Techne the greek word the prefix techno comes from, is generally accepted to mean the systematic treatment (ie industrialisation) of arts/crafts (including building, manufacturing, etc) or just skill.The idea that it is literally just "art" is one propounded by undergraduate lecturers who haven't the slightest idea about greek culture.
By the way - Whilst we're on definitions - here is a definition for engineer:
2. One who operates an engine.
So any Arts student who rides to school is already an engineer.
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Sorry about the last post - hit submit before checking urls!
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Re:Just a little definition for you all...
The word "Techno" actually MEANS "Art"
Interesting. This site defines techno as "styles of dance music" derived from the prefix techno (as in technology)
If however you were talking about the prefix rather then the word, you are still incorrect.
Techne the greek word the prefix techno comes from, is generally accepted to mean the systematic treatment (ie industrialisation) of arts/crafts (including building, manufacturing, etc) or just skill.The idea that it is literally just "art" is one propounded by undergraduate lecturers who haven't the slightest idea about greek culture.
By the way - Whilst we're on definitions - here is a definition for engineer:
2. One who operates an engine.
So any Arts student who rides to school is already an engineer.
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Sorry about the last post - hit submit before checking urls!
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Re:Just a little [incorrect] definition for you a
The word "Techno" actually MEANS "Art"
Interesting. defines techno as "styles of dance music" derived from the prefix techno (as in technology)
If however you were talking about the prefix rather then the word, you are still incorrect.
Techne the greek word the prefix techno comes from, is generally accepted to mean the systematic treatment of arts/crafts (including building, manufacturing, etc) or just skill
Whilst we're on definitions - a definition for engineer:
2. One who operates an engine.
So any Arts student who rides to school is allready an engineer.
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Re:Not quite
"I think you meant to say that hacking the XBOX is a waste of your time."
Let me make sure this is clear: Hacking the XBOX is a waste of E-V-E-R-Y-B-O-D-Y'S time.
"As long as MS wants to sell these things cheaper than the cost of manufacture, people will want to buy it to potentially replace low end PCs, can't say I blame them."
Except you're not getting interesting hardware for a cheaper price here. Sorry, nothing of value here, especially when there's no software to drive them. Beef up the RAM and give it a VGA-Out, then maybe you got something here.
"I bet MS appreciates your attempt to slow the hacking of the XBOX, however little it may help."
I don't care of MS appreciates it or not. Nothing I'm talking about has anything to do with benefitting MS. It has to do with not horsing around with them so they enter the battle, especially when the cause to hack the XBOX is so weak. If it goes to court, 'fair use' will not hold up as long as there's no reason to hack the XBOX. All MS has to say is "They want to pirate games". What will the defense be? "Uh, no, we want a seriously inferior machine to run Linux on."
Pay attention to what's going on in the world today (like the DVD copying software that's in court now, about to lose...) and then tell me that hacking the XBOX is a good idea. Hell yeah I want them to slow down or even stop. It's bad enough we have Disney buying senators. -
Re:hmmmYour Errors (1):
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Re:Capitalism
Firstly, I have nothing against fair use, but fair use does not include completely copying my work or a significant portion thereof. Unless of course we enter into an agreement where I get a portion of your profit.
Second, the artists who sold their rights have no more claim to said rights. They weren't forced to sell them. They had the choice whether to accept the agreement or not. They sold them to the company. Maybe they should have thought more about what they wanted out of the deal. If I sold you the rights to one of my works, I no longer have any claim to any of the money you made in the deal. It would be like me selling you the rights to a great book I wrote because I wasn't making much money. You take said rights, sell the book, promote it better than I did, and make millions. Do you now owe me a portion of the money you made on what are now your rights to the book?
As to the forced licensing. I'm gonna have to look into it before I can say anything about it.
And as to the 'Monopoly', what law is barring you from making your own recordings of your own music, making copies of them, packaging them, promoting their sale and making money from your efforts? A Capitlaist's view of Monopolies
Finally, nowhere do I find "fair use" in the definition of looting.
I am not in any way affiliated with capitalism, except that I agree with what I've read there so far
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Re:Young MAN'S?
What about young women?
Take a look here.
2. A human regardless of sex or age; a person.
Usage Note: Traditionally, many writers have used man and words derived from it to designate any or all of the human race regardless of sex. In fact, this is the oldest use of the word. In Old English the principal sense of man was "a human," and the words wer and wyf (or wæpman and wifman) were used to refer to "a male human" and "a female human" respectively. But in Middle English man displaced wer as the term for "a male human," while wyfman (which evolved into present-day woman) was retained for "a female human." Despite this change, man continued to carry its original sense of "a human" as well, resulting in an asymmetrical arrangement that many criticize as sexist. Nonetheless, a majority of the Usage Panel still accepts the generic use of man, although the women members have significantly less enthusiasm for this usage than the men do.
Doesn't seem to exclude women to me.
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Re:Nobody cares about polution?One of the stats mentioned in the article was that if the compressed garbage output of the entire U.S. for the next millenium was dumped into a single landfill 100 yards deep, the space required would be about 250 (I think) square miles.
I've seen these stats before, and while I believe them to be true, there's one major problem that makes that 250 square miles a hassle.
That waste space, to be properly accessable (read: economical) to our transportation infrastructure, must be evenly distributed across the US. And who wants to live next to a garbage dump?
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Re:DMCA as modern Stationer's GuildThat was very well written, but I want to point out that "irregardless" is not a word. You meant to say "regardless".
I never bothered to look it up before. Irregardless really is a word. It's just that some people don't think it should be.
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Call it Pedantixpedantic
adj. Characterized by a narrow, often ostentatious concern for book learning and formal rules: a pedantic attention to details.
pedantically adv.
Synonyms: pedantic, academic, bookish, donnish, scholastic
These adjectives mean marked by a narrow, often tiresome focus on or display of learning and especially its trivial aspects: a pedantic writing style; an academic insistence on precision; a bookish vocabulary; donnish refinement of speech; scholastic and excessively subtle reasoning. -
Re:Does anybody actually know how to read?Start Transaction 1
Start Transaction 2
Finish Transaction 1
Finish Transaction 2
Start Transaction 3
Finish Transaction 3
Transactions 1 and 2 exist at the same time. Transactions 2 and 3 do not. I don't know where you got your definition of simultaneously, but mine doesn't say "exactly coincident".
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Re:Pet Peeve
You know what my pet peeve is? Sweaty, pear-shaped loser nerds like YOU that think they know what they are talking about when in reality they are totally clueless.
http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=first%20w orld
http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=second%20 world
http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=third%20w orld
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Re:Pet Peeve
You know what my pet peeve is? Sweaty, pear-shaped loser nerds like YOU that think they know what they are talking about when in reality they are totally clueless.
http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=first%20w orld
http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=second%20 world
http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=third%20w orld
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Re:Pet Peeve
You know what my pet peeve is? Sweaty, pear-shaped loser nerds like YOU that think they know what they are talking about when in reality they are totally clueless.
http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=first%20w orld
http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=second%20 world
http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=third%20w orld
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didn't I kick your ass on this subject already?Oh, boy. Not THIS again. This horse has been well and truly beaten already.
True that. Some people, no matter how much logic and evidence you throw at them, insist that the earth is flat, Elvis is alive and copyright infringment is a form of theft. The litmus test is, has there been a loss of property to some other individual? No loss of property, no theft.
the crime known as "copyright infringement" is a special class of the general activity known as "theft."
No. Just because something is a crime doesn't mean its theft. If I burn down your house, is that committing theft? After all, I have deprived you of your worldy possessions. But wait, its not theft because neither you nor I have possession of your property because it has been destroyed. That's why we call it arson, because it has vital charachteristics that make it a completely different crime than stealing. If I copy your research paper behind your back and pass it off as my own, thats called plagerism. If I bring a 20 dollar bill down to the copy shop and xerox a few for some extra cash, its not theft. Its forgery. It's highly illegal and I'll be scrwed if the Secret Service catches me, but just because something is illegal doesn't mean its theft. If you are an artist and I make copies of your music and give them to my friends without paying you, thats copyright infringment, because you still have possession of all of your property. Again, no loss of property, no theft.
take: to get into one's possession
Nice that you left out the relevant explanation of that definition:- 1 To get into one's possession by force, skill, or artifice, especially:
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a. To capture physically; seize: take an enemy fortress.
b. To seize with authority; confiscate.
If I capture, seize, or confiscate your property, I have control and possession of your property while you lose it. That is the point you cannot see. If I don't take, or remove your property there is no theft. There might be copyright infringment, forgery or plagerism, but there is no theft without a transfer of possession.
But if that's not good enough for you, perhapse you'd like a few more. While you're noting the complete absence of any copying of so called "intellectual property" from any of those, check out how many specifically say "taking and removing". Thats because theft is concrete. I've either stolen your car from your garage or I haven't. I've either removed some stereos after breaking into Radio Shack or I haven't. That doesn't apply to downloading a copy of Office XP without paying for it, because there is no guarantee that I would have bought it in the first place. And even if it was guaranteed, MS has only "lo -
Re:It'll never work...
Perhaps you could begin here.
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Re:Why?
You're right, he wouldn't .
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Re:Except
steal:
1. To take (the property of another) without right or permission.
The definition of "steal" is also: To commit theft. And the definition of "theft" clearly states:
Note: To constitute theft there must be a taking without the owner's consent, and it must be unlawful or felonious; every part of the property stolen must be removed, however slightly, from its former position; and it must be, at least momentarily, in the complete possession of the thief.
Which obviously does not apply to copyright infringement.
Next time you want to throw out the definition of a word, don't leave out entire sections for the purpose of warping it into your own belief system. -
Re:Elegy for *BSDNot only are you a troll, but you're a stupid troll.
Here's proof...
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Re:Reminds me of the mid-1980'sI dare you to show me any other country or civilization that can or would do this on such a large scale.
You are right, we are the most generous of them all and you wont find any conceited people here.
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Jedis do it with a mind trick
"While it show that some people may have too much time on their hands, it also raises questions of privacy rights, Internet activism and data integrity."
That it does, and personally I promoted the idea amongst my peers in the UK because we already answer a whole raft of questions for demographics under the threat of a whopping fine for fibbing.
The cute thing is that our political structure has mutated into something that consists of a large amount of mediocrity, and the assumption that the people will do as they're told and supply, without question, any and all information requested.
Nu-huh
Although recent studies have suggested that people will give away things like their passwords at the drop of the hat. The register did a story on the piss-poor attitude towards social engineering in this country.
We also occasionally swap customer loyalty cards as a method of 'tainting' the marketing information that stores collect, partly out of sheer schadenfreude and partly because if this trend continues, choice will be honed to a fine needle-point of majority acceptance.
The main point behind the Jedi thing was apart from anything else, it showed the power of a large majority of people working together.
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Re:Oh No! Romero!Your Errors (2):
- *sheepeshly*
- please don't sick CowboyNeal on me
- please don't sic CowboyNeal on me
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Re:Oh No! Romero!Your Errors (2):
- *sheepeshly*
- please don't sick CowboyNeal on me
- please don't sic CowboyNeal on me
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Re:Christian symbolism
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What is intelligence?I allways wonder what exactly those AI people (or those opposed to AI) are talking about. What type of "intelligence" do they hope to create? AFAIK, intelligence is defined as "The capacity to acquire and apply knowledge" or "The faculty of thought and reason" (look here).
This does not tell us much, as we still have to find out about "knownledge", "thought" and "reason". Terms such as "learning", "creativity" and "problem solving" also come to mind.
So... Does a Database contain Knowledge? How about a "Knowledgebase"? Is a "learning" (i.e. adapting) spam filter "intelligent"? Does the ability to solve specific problems (multiplication, etc) already constitute intelligence, or is some ability to cope with "unforeseen" situation required?
My point is this: Most arguments about AI being feasable are just misunderstandings, rooted in different interpretations of terms. "Artificial Inteligence" has long ceased to exite me. I think the real (technical and philosophical) challange is Artifical Consciousness. And in that area, no significant advances have been made since... well... since... the emacs doc?
EOR (end of rant)
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Re:pc?
It's an abbreviation of the Latin per centum.
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Re:Earth hours?
There's actually nothing wrong with saying "Earth hours". The fundamental unit of time is a "Day"; the time it takes between two successive transits of the Sun. (Actually, if you want to get technical, a Day is really defined as the average time between successive solar transits for a particular year: 1820). A second is *defined* to be the 1/86,400th part of a Day, a minute is *defined* to be 60 seconds, and an Hour is *defined* to be 60 minutes. The point is, they are all tied to the length of an Earth-Day, so using "Hours" on Mars is just as arbitrary as using "Days" on Mars.
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Re:This is not illegal in the US
You are funny.
Fuck you. You're a fucking idiot, in the same sad, pathetic way as a person who continues to insist that X is Y even when he's been proven wrong time and again.
You haven't LOST anything so there has been no theft.
Of course *I* haven't lost anything, you fucking moron. *I* didn't own what you copied. I owned only the CD's themselves, not the data on them.
The people who owned the data on the CD's, on the other hand, will have lost a bundle. They will have lost their exclusivity. They will have lost the opportunity to sell you your own copies of the CD's. They will have lost the scarcity that supports the entertainment economy.
Jesus. You are SO fucking stupid it makes my head hurt.
go back to kindergarden to learn what theft really is:
How many dictionaries did you look through before you found one with a sufficiently narrow definition to suit your purposes? You have to read ALL the definitions, dickhead. Try this one on for size:
theft: the act of stealing
steal: to take (the property of another) without right or permission
Both from dictionary.com (through Sherlock), both are the first (and therefore most common, at least by the editor's opinion) definition given.
Bwhaahahah! You got ownzored AC!
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Re:This is not illegal in the US
You are funny.
Fuck you. You're a fucking idiot, in the same sad, pathetic way as a person who continues to insist that X is Y even when he's been proven wrong time and again.
You haven't LOST anything so there has been no theft.
Of course *I* haven't lost anything, you fucking moron. *I* didn't own what you copied. I owned only the CD's themselves, not the data on them.
The people who owned the data on the CD's, on the other hand, will have lost a bundle. They will have lost their exclusivity. They will have lost the opportunity to sell you your own copies of the CD's. They will have lost the scarcity that supports the entertainment economy.
Jesus. You are SO fucking stupid it makes my head hurt.
go back to kindergarden to learn what theft really is:
How many dictionaries did you look through before you found one with a sufficiently narrow definition to suit your purposes? You have to read ALL the definitions, dickhead. Try this one on for size:
theft: the act of stealing
steal: to take (the property of another) without right or permission
Both from dictionary.com (through Sherlock), both are the first (and therefore most common, at least by the editor's opinion) definition given.
Bwhaahahah! You got ownzored AC!
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Re: one of the onlybullshit.
Only == unique. From dictionary.com search for "only"
adj.
- Alone in kind or class; sole: an only child; the only one left.
- Standing alone by reason of superiority or excellence.
adv.
- Without anyone or anything else; alone: room for only one passenger.
- At the very least: If you would only come home. The story was only too true.
- And nothing else or more: I only work here.
- Exclusively; solely: facts known only to us.
- In the last analysis or final outcome: actions that will only make things worse.
- With the final result; nevertheless: received a raise only to be laid off.
- As recently as: called me only last month.
- In the immediate past: only just saw them.
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Re:This is not illegal in the USYou are funny. In the same sad, pathetic way as someone who insists that apples and oranges must be the exact same thing because they have a few things in common.
To drill this into your small little mind, why don't you give me your home address. Next week I'll break into your house with a laptop and rip your entire cd collection to mp3, leaving your cd's there. Your collection is still there in its entriety, complete and umdamaged. You haven't LOST anything so there has been no theft. Trespassing yes, copyright infringment maybe, theft no.
The week after that I'll break into your house again, this time taking all your cds with me. At that point you'd see that the difference between having your orgional item and not having it is a pretty fucking big one. Now do you see the difference, or is your head still lodged too far up your ass?
You are free to take words and do whatever you want with them, like those tv execs who claim that skipping ads is 'stealing', but to communicate with the rest of the world you should make like Billy Madison and go back to kindergarden to learn what theft really is:
- \Theft\, n. [OE. thefte, AS. [thorn]i['e]f[eth]e, [thorn][=y]f[eth]e, [thorn]e['o]f[eth]e. See Thief.] 1. (Law) The act of stealing; specifically, the felonious
- taking and removing of personal property, with an intent to deprive the rightful owner of the same; larceny.
Note: To constitute theft there must be a taking without the owner's consent, and it must be unlawful or felonious; every part of the property stolen must be removed, however slightly, from its former position; and it must be, at least momentarily, in the complete possession of the thief. See Larceny, and the Note under Robbery.
2. The thing stolen. [R.]
If the theft be certainly found in his hand alive, . . . he shall restore double. --Ex. xxii. 4.
Bwhaahahah! You got ownzored AC! Now go back to gobbling some nice fat cock and spare us from your stupidity. -
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Irruption - Yup, it's a real wordWhen I saw it, I looked it up and it's for real. From reference.com
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\Ir*rup"tion\, n. [L. irruptio: cf. F. irruption. See Irrupted.] 1. A bursting in; a sudden, violent rushing into a place; as, irruptions of the sea.
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Irruption - Yup, it's a real wordWhen I saw it, I looked it up and it's for real. From reference.com
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\Ir*rup"tion\, n. [L. irruptio: cf. F. irruption. See Irrupted.] 1. A bursting in; a sudden, violent rushing into a place; as, irruptions of the sea.
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Re:This area of the U.S. is called "Ecotopia".
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Re:This area of the U.S. is called "Ecotopia".
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Re:Jeezarmy of drones
Funny how many definitions work.
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Re:DetailsThey say the tubes are a few hundred nm long, and then say they're suspended between wafers 100nm apart. What gives?
Not sure, but this might yield a clue.
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Re:Finally!/usr and
/usr/local are entirely different things, and not the worry of users. they are also very intuitive. /usr is standard system stuff, /usr/local is locally hacked stuff, so i can place 'my' hacked version of any program in /usr/local and override the system one (if i were the sysadmin).You might find this link useful: Intuitive
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Re:Somebody please tell my local Blockbuster
1. If you think that Blockbuster "has a great asortment of movies", then you know -zilch- about movies. What do you care if Independence Day is in widescreen or not?
Excuse me for not wearing turtlenecks and berets and actually ENJOYING a movie every now and then. Movies are no different from any other medium. I've read classics (just one example, obviously), but I also read for fun. As for why would I care if Independence Day is in widescreen, it's because I want to see the full story, even if there's little enough of that. Marvel comics may not compare to a Picasso, but is that justification for cropping the artist's work?
3. Wal-Mart is shit. The stuff they sell is shit. They cater to the lowest common denominator.
As I mentioned, what does it matter where you buy your underwear? Or are you that focused on the superficial that you do care? Hanes is Hanes, whether you pay $30 for them at Nordstrom's or $10 at Wal-Mart.
4. Wal-Mart, Blockbuster, and McDonald's are all giant mega-conglomerates of the worst kind. They all make Microsoft look like a kid's lemonade stand by comparison. But hey, if you like to suck at the corporate teat...
Call me a capitalistic pig-dog if you like, but I have absolutely no problem with large corporations. Good for them if they've been able to become successful. They provide employment for hundreds of thousands, if not millions. How is that a bad thing? (cue communist propaganda)
5. But you're right... not all of us can be pretentious. Only some of us.
You're welcome to it. I'd rather not play that game.
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Irony Nazi
I find it sort of ironic that "Charles Manson" would post a comment including the words "god damn" and several references to hell....
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Re:Verbing wierds languageIf you are going to troll, at least know what you are talking about
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tr.v. accessed, accessing, accesses
- To obtain access to, especially by computer:
- used a browser to access a website; accessed her bank account online.
thank you dictionary.com
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