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IBM has countersued SCO, arguing that it no longer has the right to distribute GPL software. SCO made its position on the GPL perfectly clear in a filing last week: it doesn't think the GPL is enforceable, so it's going to carry on violating it. The offer is only open to SCO's existing customers, and details are here. (R)

A brief look at the link they provide shows that indeed SCO are saying that we can get RPMS & SRPMS only with a password, and if we are a SCO customer. (and not from their ftp site).

So now I sit here wondering how the download availiable in this directory... ftp://ftp.sco.com/pub/updates/OpenLinux/3.1.1/Serv er/CSSA-2003-020.0/SRPMS/

IBM has countersued SCO, arguing that it no longer has the right to distribute GPL software. SCO made its position on the GPL perfectly clear in a filing last week: it doesn't think the GPL is enforceable, so it's going to carry on violating it. The offer is only open to SCO's existing customers, and details are here. (R)

A brief look at the link they provide shows that indeed SCO are saying that we can get RPMS & SRPMS only with a password, and if we are a SCO customer. (and not from their ftp site).

So now I sit here wondering how the download availiable in this directory... ftp://ftp.sco.com/pub/updates/OpenLinux/3.1.1/Serv er/CSSA-2003-020.0/SRPMS/

This is a big, clickable link to slashdot SCO's servers!

Bolster their claims of a customer base by going here and registering as a bogus customer.
Can we /. a database?

http://www.sco.com

In defence to IBM's counterclaims to it's lawsuit, SCO have made public a 21 page document, including 156 'answers'.
In the document the lawyers admit some facts submitted by Big Blue when it counterclaimed, but the important things are what it doesn't admit, of course.
It alleges that Linux is an "unathorized version of UNIX that is structured, assembled and designed to be technologically indistinguishable" from it.
I wonder how much the SCO lawyers are being paid.

Love Darl.

I'm not saying we should do this, but what if we all apply for the position! Afterall, advertising a job on /. which is filled by employed tech workers will get you no responses at all. Send your resume via e-mail or fax it to 801.765.1313. Or even snail mail to:
The SCO Group
355 South 520 West, Suite 100
Lindon, Utah 84042

Many companies require full processing of all applicants of a worldwide/nationwide search to check for EEO issues, so expect SCO to have to sort through many applications before they can reply with your new job.

Get your 2.4 kernel source here.

It's still in this one (and a bunch of their other update directories), though. Not only that, but the file creation dates on some of these postdate the beginning of their attacks on IBM, and include patches from Caldera/SCO engineers.

UNCONSTITUTIONAL

If this doesnt cound as redistributing Linux, I'm not sure what does...

If this doesnt cound as redistributing Linux, I'm not sure what does...

If this doesnt cound as redistributing Linux, I'm not sure what does...

1. Caldera OpenLinux eServer 2.3 wins CNET's Editor's Choice Award
2. OpenLinux eDesktop 2.4 wins CNET Editors' Choice award from the editors of CNET.com
3. OpenLinux eServer 2.3 wins Network World Blue Ribbon award.
4. so sad...

So after reading your post, I thought "Hm, I wonder if SCO is still distributing or selling Linux somewhere." So I went to SCO's front page just to poke at it out of mild, idle curiousity. There's a little box on the front page that says "Looking for a promotion, contest, or campaign? Enter keyword here." If you enter something that's an SCO product it forwards you there. If you enter anything else it forwards you to a search page. Okay, I thought, what the heck, let's see what happens when I type in "linux". I did so, and to my surprise was promptly forwarded to
http://www.sco.com/products/linux/, which said only:

Forbidden
You don't have permission to access /products/linux/ on this server.

For no good reason, I find this funny.

P.S. Searching for "Caldera Linux", on the other hand, returned some search results, including this absolutely fascinating page, which describes a developer-only "technology preview" of.. "the upcoming linux 2.4 kernel". The page seems to still be under the impression you can still sign up for SCO's "OpenLinux Developer's Network". They have e-mail addresses and an 800 number that points to the voice mail of some poor fellow within SCO named "Chris Morris". Hm.

So after reading your post, I thought "Hm, I wonder if SCO is still distributing or selling Linux somewhere." So I went to SCO's front page just to poke at it out of mild, idle curiousity. There's a little box on the front page that says "Looking for a promotion, contest, or campaign? Enter keyword here." If you enter something that's an SCO product it forwards you there. If you enter anything else it forwards you to a search page. Okay, I thought, what the heck, let's see what happens when I type in "linux". I did so, and to my surprise was promptly forwarded to
http://www.sco.com/products/linux/, which said only:

Forbidden
You don't have permission to access /products/linux/ on this server.

For no good reason, I find this funny.

P.S. Searching for "Caldera Linux", on the other hand, returned some search results, including this absolutely fascinating page, which describes a developer-only "technology preview" of.. "the upcoming linux 2.4 kernel". The page seems to still be under the impression you can still sign up for SCO's "OpenLinux Developer's Network". They have e-mail addresses and an 800 number that points to the voice mail of some poor fellow within SCO named "Chris Morris". Hm.

So after reading your post, I thought "Hm, I wonder if SCO is still distributing or selling Linux somewhere." So I went to SCO's front page just to poke at it out of mild, idle curiousity. There's a little box on the front page that says "Looking for a promotion, contest, or campaign? Enter keyword here." If you enter something that's an SCO product it forwards you there. If you enter anything else it forwards you to a search page. Okay, I thought, what the heck, let's see what happens when I type in "linux". I did so, and to my surprise was promptly forwarded to
http://www.sco.com/products/linux/, which said only:

Forbidden
You don't have permission to access /products/linux/ on this server.

For no good reason, I find this funny.

P.S. Searching for "Caldera Linux", on the other hand, returned some search results, including this absolutely fascinating page, which describes a developer-only "technology preview" of.. "the upcoming linux 2.4 kernel". The page seems to still be under the impression you can still sign up for SCO's "OpenLinux Developer's Network". They have e-mail addresses and an 800 number that points to the voice mail of some poor fellow within SCO named "Chris Morris". Hm.

Why do you just get the samba, mozilla, or openSSL guys to do it, SCO claims that they are shipping samba with unixware 7.1.3.

Here is the proof

• Administrative needs of CFO and other executives
• Quarterly budget reports
• Travel Arrangements
• Organizing meetings and phone conferences
• Supply inventory
• General office responsibilities
• Records minutes of various meetings
• Partner Program database coordination
• Answer investor questions regarding Stock performance
• Packaging of financial corporate communications with the investment community
• Helps prepare written investor communications and plan investor/analyst small-group private and large-group meetings
• Handles telephone inquiries from analysts and investors
• Oversees scheduling and coverage of front desk
  

Perhaps the Samba team could get a little cash out of SCO. Since SCO has no valid license to distribute Samba, yet they are distributing it.

Linux - Only $699 per CPU

SCO may say quite a bit, however, one needs only to read the contracts and ammendments available for your veiwing pleasure at SCO.com. The initial contract clearly granted AT&T the right to derivative works, however, they later terminated the derivitive works clause in the contract. SCO's exhibit C. Letter from AT&T to IBM (PDF). See Para 2.

Free SCO t-shirt

Get them while they are available.

In 2 years this company is going to be bigger than Microsoft.

Don't miss a chance to tell your children.

Yes, there's a good site collecting all the information relevant to the SCO cases: SCOvsIBM. They've got an executive summary, analysis, a time-line, and links to almost every SCO article out there. The 2 other good sources are Groklaw and SCO's page, which has the actual legal documents pertaining to the case.

Yes, there's a good site collecting all the information relevant to the SCO cases: SCOvsIBM. They've got an executive summary, analysis, a time-line, and links to almost every SCO article out there. The 2 other good sources are Groklaw and SCO's page, which has the actual legal documents pertaining to the case.

Customers: Shop wisely. You are voting with your dollars. If you accept draconian DRM, you will NEVER get your freedom back. You must protect your individual rights by choosing the best product and not buying based solely on emotionally exciting advertising hype or getting pushed around by impotent corporate shortcuts to profitability.

Corporations: Adapt to the changing environment as you have always done. Listen to the customers and do everything possible to keep these informed consumers on your side. Search for innovative ways to improve your product, streamline your processes, and still make a REASONABLE amount of money. Stay alive to serve the customers tomorrow.

Here's a quick rundown of some of the main gripes consumers have with big media products today:

Things Wrong with Movies: Overpriced movies to match the overpriced snacks, Ben Affleck and J-Lo, crappy plots (which also may fall under the Ben Affleck category), $20+ million dollar salaries for actors which leads to increased ticket prices, irritating and useless copy-protection on DVDs, etc.

Things Wrong with Music: Overpriced CDs, Britney Spears, not enough money given to the artists, Britney Spears, generic one-hit wonder boy bands pushed like a cheap drug, Britney Spears, general refusal to adapt to the internet (thank Apple for what innovation there is there), etc.

Things Wrong with Satellite: Well, nothing.... We're just stealing that because we can.

Windows blows. Use Unixware instead.

Again, the GPL covers distribution only, so the only direct GPL violation could be if SCO went after people who obtained Linux from SCO themselves (which they are in fact doing, but this presumably doesn't cover the case of the mythical Fortune 1000 Company). Otherwise, any argument against SCO would be rather indirect. Your right, SCO is going after OpenLinux customers. They are violating the GPL because the license they are selling restricts distrobution. The thing is though, its free to OpenLinux (and all versions of linux that were purchased from SCO) users. If any of you out there have a version of OpenLinux, register it and get the license and post the damn thing. It wont cost you anything. The proof is here Check #24

SCO is offering introductory, promotion pricing until October 1, 2003. Customers who are interested in purchasing the SCO IP license for Linux should contact their SCO sales representative or call SCO at 1-800 726-8649 for further information.

The introductory, promotional pricing available until October 1, 2003 is as follows:

A client license for a single user desktop system is $199.
A single CPU, embedded device is $32.
Server Licenses
RTU SCO IP in a Linux Distribution

Promotional License Fee
With 1 CPU
$699
With 2 CPUs
$1,149
With 4 CPUs
$2,499
With 8 CPUs
$4,999
Each Additional CPU
$749

I got that from here

Kind of like the financial company ING? If Darl McBride were head of ING, he'd be suing half the world's English speakers every time they used a verb with his company's name at the end.

Oh wait, maybe that should have been weaseliest company...

-a

Where could I post this bogus URGENT information?

Apparently SCO group CEO Darl McBride has through license agreements with Micro$oft obtained Micro$oft source code. SCO's "compare all source code and render a verdict software" has found over 1 million similarities and "infringements". Darl McBride is quoted as saying:

"The copyright rules that underlie SCO's case are not disputable. They provide a solid foundation for any software development model,... Rather than ignore or challenge copyright laws,... developers will advance their cause by respecting the rules of law that built our society into what it is today.... In the meantime, I will continue to protect SCO's intellectual property and contractual rights. "

Their recent aquisition of approximately 5 times the reserve they had or could ever make has put them on solid enough ground to go after bigger apes than IBM. The suit is looking for undisclosed damages totaling well over 300 billion. We await Micro$ofts answer.

I wish I was smart enough to have copyrighted the "if...then" statement. Oh and that "else" statement too.

BTW, I noticed SCO OpenServer is sporting Samaba file services but couldn't find any source code. Anyone know where the scource code is :-)

Regardless of law, SCO is making dents in sales all around the world. Here in India, SCO had a deal with our country's biggest life insurance company. All these success stories have in part been made possible by all the publicity SCO had lately.
Remember Rael's cloning stuff ? Same thing here folks. Hopefully, Rael lives far enough from us :)

your software if it's not enforcable? Who cares about Forbes negative light? BTW, I can see from the list of features in SCO's OpenServer that it includes Samba but I couldn't find the source code to download. Does anyone know where the source code is for Openserver?

Oh please yourself.

"Increased licensing fees"+linux would only turn up:

SCO Intellectual Property License for Linux

And while SSH exploits and the like exist, the many Linux servers in use don't seem to be the ones going down in a big way every time an exploit comes out, causing disruption to important services and business. The reason being that it's harder for someone to create a widely-distributed self-replicating worm on a Unix-based platform. That is what causes Windows exploits to be much more damaging.

So this is why Linux doesn't cause as much aggravation, worms, and assorted headaches as Windows does.

Windows Zealots: Note I did not claim that any OS is 100% secure.

In SCO's August 5 press release SCO said introductory pricing on their SCO IP License for Linux would be available "through October 15th, 2003".

Well it's getting pretty close to the deadline, so I thought I'd check out the current situation. One page of SCO's site says the introductory pricing is available until October 31st (but I need to sign an NDA before I can be told it's terms according to item 5!), but another page of SCO's site says the introductory pricing is only available until October 1st.

In SCO's August 5 press release SCO said introductory pricing on their SCO IP License for Linux would be available "through October 15th, 2003".

Well it's getting pretty close to the deadline, so I thought I'd check out the current situation. One page of SCO's site says the introductory pricing is available until October 31st (but I need to sign an NDA before I can be told it's terms according to item 5!), but another page of SCO's site says the introductory pricing is only available until October 1st.

To get dates of insider stock sales, go to the SEC site and go to the EDGAR links.

Then, just pop over to the SCO company site for their press releases announcing various and sundry things that can be expected to increase stock prices.

Draw your own conclusions. You should find some. . . interesting coincidences.

This is an outrage!

Can we believe it?

Stalin
Hitler

I also think the end of section 5 is interesting: "In any event our respective representatives will exert their mutual good faith best efforts to resolve any alleged breach short of termination." Good faith would at least be pointing out what parts of Linux SCO thinks is copied so they could be removed. Section 12 states that IBM won't have to reveal their customers for auditing purposes, which SCO was trying to accomplish.

Gee, I don't know, what would an OS company with it's back against the wall do? It's not like it's ever happened before. But really, it's a bad patent, but if MS felt like spending the money to get a patent they knew was weak, I say let them. They'll have to sue someone to see any benefit from it, since I'm sure AOL and Yahoo aren't just going to send MS money now, and when they sue, anyone who does even 10 minutes of research on it will see prior art (hell, even some old BBS software in the 80's had this feature), and MS will lose its patent.

Yeah, our patent system sucks here (in the US), but the real problem is that too many companies are afraid of these types of patents. Smart companies think to look up the validity of a patent/IP claim before deciding whether or not to license it. If they didn't, SCO would be rich.

It's still there and it has the same md5 sum mentioned in this article.

And apparently easy to attend. 64 seats, less than 20 attendees. Considering that when I applied I went to a waiting list, I was expecting a higher turnout ... it may be worth putting yourself on the list for future stops of the show ...

Grandest cheese at the presentation was VP of Marketing, Jeff Hunsaker. He started out with an hour the company's report card & backgrounder. Here's the view of SCO painted: 330 employees, 2+ million deployed units (no mention of OS breakdown - would be interesting to see what % of that is Caldera Linux), target market is small-ish business. Reference accounts seem to be franchised fast food & drug oriented. Think Pizza Hut & Wallgreens (Arnold Clarke & Argos were UK references, Shoppers Drug thrown in for us Canuks). Nothing IT-intensive. Avaya & Lucent were mentioned on the laundry list, however no detail was given, and I cannot imagine descendants of AT&T paying too much to some guys in Utah for hideous product (searches on their sites for SCO only brings mention of their "Special Customer Operations" group).

Oddly enough, market cap & stock price were mentioned extensively (who'd have thought?). Reference was made to using their capitalization as a means of acquisition; however no details were given (assuming there were any details to give). The fabled '2 quarters of profitability' was also mentioned. The name Caldera was dragged through the dirt, as they were never profitable. From the slides you'd think SCO had roots much, much deeper than the MS Xenix junk they spawned from. In fact, the analogy they whip out is that of Harley-Davidson (HD was purchased by AMF, went to hell, then arose re-branded as the mega-label you know today). I refrained from pointing out that pre/post-AMF Harley produced respected product, and did not send threatening letters to Yamaha owners ...

Mention of the legal battle? Nothing technical. Representatives were up-front about their lack of legal knowledge, and inability to comment. It never got past the mud-slinging stage. Same old, same old. Their interest is in protecting their IP. This is about a breach of contract. Linux 2.4 code review shows Monterrey-esqe code relating to memory-access that must have come from AIX 5L. Caldera Linux customers are indemnified against legal action. Blah blah blah.

Interesting bits?

Their definition of IP (I've never seen a formal definition, and so some of the things on the list amused mildly): Copyright, Contracts, Methods, Trade Secrets, and Know-how (Know-how? How about "stuff we have" - can that be a IP subject too?). Their mention of McBride making some soon-to-be-published "top 5 influential executives list" (that'll be a keeper of an article). And heavy mention of HP's support. Reference was made to their web site removing their logo, however they emphatically associate SCOs current operations and HP's approval. Nothing to substantiate, however.

Really interesting bits?

The crowd. I was expecting Linux zealots. It was mostly a room full of SCO resellers. And they were not too big on having a love in. Nothing hostile, however not one positive comment for the morning's session. During the "we be so profitable" section of the spiel, one reseller in the crowd asked "where does the money come from?" The response was largely a pointer to the SCO source initiative. The response? "What you are profitable in will not make me profitable.". Wow. That was goo

And apparently easy to attend. 64 seats, less than 20 attendees. Considering that when I applied I went to a waiting list, I was expecting a higher turnout ... it may be worth putting yourself on the list for future stops of the show ...

Grandest cheese at the presentation was VP of Marketing, Jeff Hunsaker. He started out with an hour the company's report card & backgrounder. Here's the view of SCO painted: 330 employees, 2+ million deployed units (no mention of OS breakdown - would be interesting to see what % of that is Caldera Linux), target market is small-ish business. Reference accounts seem to be franchised fast food & drug oriented. Think Pizza Hut & Wallgreens (Arnold Clarke & Argos were UK references, Shoppers Drug thrown in for us Canuks). Nothing IT-intensive. Avaya & Lucent were mentioned on the laundry list, however no detail was given, and I cannot imagine descendants of AT&T paying too much to some guys in Utah for hideous product (searches on their sites for SCO only brings mention of their "Special Customer Operations" group).

Oddly enough, market cap & stock price were mentioned extensively (who'd have thought?). Reference was made to using their capitalization as a means of acquisition; however no details were given (assuming there were any details to give). The fabled '2 quarters of profitability' was also mentioned. The name Caldera was dragged through the dirt, as they were never profitable. From the slides you'd think SCO had roots much, much deeper than the MS Xenix junk they spawned from. In fact, the analogy they whip out is that of Harley-Davidson (HD was purchased by AMF, went to hell, then arose re-branded as the mega-label you know today). I refrained from pointing out that pre/post-AMF Harley produced respected product, and did not send threatening letters to Yamaha owners ...

Mention of the legal battle? Nothing technical. Representatives were up-front about their lack of legal knowledge, and inability to comment. It never got past the mud-slinging stage. Same old, same old. Their interest is in protecting their IP. This is about a breach of contract. Linux 2.4 code review shows Monterrey-esqe code relating to memory-access that must have come from AIX 5L. Caldera Linux customers are indemnified against legal action. Blah blah blah.

Interesting bits?

Their definition of IP (I've never seen a formal definition, and so some of the things on the list amused mildly): Copyright, Contracts, Methods, Trade Secrets, and Know-how (Know-how? How about "stuff we have" - can that be a IP subject too?). Their mention of McBride making some soon-to-be-published "top 5 influential executives list" (that'll be a keeper of an article). And heavy mention of HP's support. Reference was made to their web site removing their logo, however they emphatically associate SCOs current operations and HP's approval. Nothing to substantiate, however.

Really interesting bits?

The crowd. I was expecting Linux zealots. It was mostly a room full of SCO resellers. And they were not too big on having a love in. Nothing hostile, however not one positive comment for the morning's session. During the "we be so profitable" section of the spiel, one reseller in the crowd asked "where does the money come from?" The response was largely a pointer to the SCO source initiative. The response? "What you are profitable in will not make me profitable.". Wow. That was goo

...ther are still a bunch of stops on the tour that will be going on. Admission is free, and there's more information here. They'll be all over the US, as well as in British Columbia. Maybe someone can stop by and say "hi" to the SCO folks. :)

And apparently easy to attend. 64 seats, less than 20 attendees. Considering that when I applied I went to a waiting list, I was expecting a higher turnout ... it may be worth putting yourself on the list for future stops of the show ...

Grandest cheese at the presentation was VP of Marketing, Jeff Hunsaker. He started out with an hour the company's report card & backgrounder. Here's the view of SCO painted: 330 employees, 2+ million deployed units (no mention of OS breakdown - would be interesting to see what % of that is Caldera Linux), target market is small-ish business. Reference accounts seem to be franchised fast food & drug oriented. Think Pizza Hut & Wallgreens (Arnold Clarke & Argos were UK references, Shoppers Drug thrown in for us Canuks). Nothing IT-intensive. Avaya & Lucent were mentioned on the laundry list, however no detail was given, and I cannot imagine descendants of AT&T paying too much to some guys in Utah for hideous product (searches on their sites for SCO only brings mention of their "Special Customer Operations" group).

Oddly enough, market cap & stock price were mentioned extensively (who'd have thought?). Reference was made to using their capitalization as a means of acquisition; however no details were given (assuming there were any details to give). The fabled '2 quarters of profitability' was also mentioned. The name Caldera was dragged through the dirt, as they were never profitable. From the slides you'd think SCO had roots much, much deeper than the MS Xenix junk they spawned from. In fact, the analogy they whip out is that of Harley-Davidson (HD was purchased by AMF, went to hell, then arose re-branded as the mega-label you know today). I refrained from pointing out that pre/post-AMF Harley produced respected product, and did not send threatening letters to Yamaha owners ...

Mention of the legal battle? Nothing technical. Representatives were up-front about their lack of legal knowledge, and inability to comment. It never got past the mud-slinging stage. Same old, same old. Their interest is in protecting their IP. This is about a breach of contract. Linux 2.4 code review shows Monterrey-esqe code relating to memory-access that must have come from AIX 5L. Caldera Linux customers are indemnified against legal action. Blah blah blah.

Interesting bits?

Their definition of IP (I've never seen a formal definition, and so some of the things on the list amused mildly): Copyright, Contracts, Methods, Trade Secrets, and Know-how (Know-how? How about "stuff we have" - can that be a IP subject too?). Their mention of McBride making some soon-to-be-published "top 5 influential executives list" (that'll be a keeper of an article). And heavy mention of HP's support. Reference was made to their web site removing their logo, however they emphatically associate SCOs current operations and HP's approval. Nothing to substantiate, however.

Really interesting bits?

The crowd. I was expecting Linux zealots. It was mostly a room full of SCO resellers. And they were not too big on having a love in. Nothing hostile, however not one positive comment for the morning's session. During the "we be so profitable" section of the spiel, one reseller in the crowd aske