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Savannah is lesser used -- there are fewer adherents of Free Software than Open Source.

The Open Source stance (as exemplified by ESR) is a more pragmatic one than an ideological one -- that people should use Open Source rather than Free Software because it *works better* than closed source, not because of a moral or philosophical mandate. The primary issue that SourceForge detractors bring up is that the current codebase is not available; this is an issue to a number of people strongly ideologically aligned with Free software, who want to interact with nothing but Free software. There is a parallel here. Since SF costs nothing, works well, and helps spread and facilitate open source software, there are few pragmatic issues with SourceForge that Savannah solves. Thus, the issues with Open Source that Free advocates have are mostly the same complaints that are raised about SourceForge.

Savannah's main issues are caused by a lack of people working on it, and it is currently less ready-to-go than SourceForge. It's HURD and Linux in a mirror.

Savannah makes its feelings on the importance of Free software very clear with the nongnu and gnu names. The SF people don't particularly place a lot of emphasis on someone being associated with a project or having a particular license -- there's no sourceforge.sortaopen.net for BSD-licensed projects, for instance.

Finally, while this is more germane to this story than to SF in general, the politics in the linked-to story remind me a good deal of the complex and never-ending debates about Free software purity that come up more frequently in the Free Software world.

I suppose that a lot of Free advocates are going to view this as a bit flamish -- I guess it's a bit cutting in that it identifies that Savannah hasn't been operating as well as SourceForge, but I don't feel that it's particularly false or misleading.

I use the GNU utilities as well as Apache every day -- I like both chunks of software.

I also, as people who read my posts frequently know, tend to often feel a bit frusterated with Free advocates. I do, not infrequently, think that Free folks can come off as a bit too rabid to the general public -- this mainly becomes an issue when media, desperate for some kind of figurehead for the open source world, settle on RMS, and he propagates his (intimidating to a CTO) views on intellectual property. I also remember when the Crystal Space team (an excellent LGPLed 3d engine), wanted to be absolutely correct WRT the GPL and valuing Stallman's input, wrote him to ask for a bit of clarification on a licensing detail. Stallman's response, an enlightening read, highlights a good deal of what I consider the difference between Open Source folks like Jorrit and Free folks like Stallman.

"...Mac OS X...got it right. You download the DMG, it mounts as a folder, you copy the "program" (really a folder that the OS makes look like a file) to your Applications directory. Done."

The Zero Install system does this same make-the-directory-containing-the-program-look-lik e-the-program-itself thing, aiming to be a program repository and easy method of installation/uninstallation in one go. It's like OSX's folder-mounting plus apt-get plus a nice big cache of available programs all in one.

There are several other ways to deal with that situation, predating CoLinux -- they could repartition and multi-boot, for example; or, there are several distros that can boot from a loopback filesystem (or even the old UMSDOS system). And LINE seems to yield much the same results as CoLinux.

Disable the kernel emu10k1 module; download the souurce and compile from scratch at http://sourceforge.net/projects/emu10k1. Possibly in a recent 2.4 or 2.6 the builtin emu10k1 driver works with audigy and audigy 2, not sure.

How is this different from a port of User-mode Linux?

In the mean time I suggest people take a look at Dr Rob Lougher's JamVM as an interesting independent (not under Sun's control) VM

JamVM

"JamVM is a new Java Virtual Machine which conforms to the JVM specification version 2 (blue book). In comparison to most other VM's (free and commercial) it is extremely small, with a stripped executable on PowerPC of only ~100K, and Intel 80K. However, unlike other small VMs (e.g. KVM) it is designed to support the full specification, and includes support for object finalisation, the Java Native Interface (JNI) and the Reflection API."

You need PCGen - java based, no porting req'd

...lacked dynamic loading of shared libraries...

It also failed to generate any interest among the SmartEiffel developers, so it never got incorporated into that compiler.

Also the Windows Installer XML toolset, which MS posted to SourceForge last week.

InstallShield & Wise are the two main commercial packages -- I've used both, and prefer Wise. Either is going to set you back about $1K, so they're not terribly practical for the individual developer. VS.Net, as the grandparent points out, provides very limited MSI authoring capabilities.

Ah yes, the obligatory "I use the lunix b3cause it was on Hackers and I also need to s1am the windoze computers!" (I'm risking flamebait, I know, but I've been wanting to use "lunix" for a while now ;))

dxglwrap.

Dude, the IEEE sold us "powers of 2" people out and we need to use "GiB" to mean the old school GB...
IEEE 1541

MSI's scope is enormous: it is fully transactional; it audits/logs everything, and it supports every option you could wish for. However, because of this, it is inherently complex and not everyone is using the API: it's gone through 3 versions already.

Can the Microsoft Installer packager work on systems whose only native compiler is MinGW, or does it require a Microsoft Visual Studio license? If the latter, watch free software for Windows (such as GIMP, Gaim, Foobar2000, and the like) stick to Nullsoft's free packager.

A lot of FLTK apps are available here. There are quite a few. A good demo of the usefulness of the toolkit is this application.

Another little FLTK applet which I like a lot is xpp.

Also worth mentioning is Filezilla, an excellent free software FTP client *only* for Win32. Don't forget PuTTY either.

Why duplicate effort?

Oh, and you should really refurbish your html. At the very least you should add a . As it stands now the page comes up completely blank in Netscape 4.

If you're interested in getting your html up to speed with the published standards, I can warmly recommend html tidy.

It should be possible to use public key encryption with inspected outgoing and incoming email gateways to ensure email content privacy.

-Incoming SMTP Email
| Incoming Gateway encrypts plaintext email with User's public Key
- Encrypted Email
| Gmail Web based email server
- Encrypted Email
| User's Web Brower with Javascript decrypt. User supplies/cut-pastes private Key
- Decrypted Email only at user browser side
| User Reads and enters reply into text window
| More Javascript encrypts outgoing content using outgoing gateway's public key
- Encrypted Email
| Outgoing Email gateway decrypts outgoing Email
- Decrypted Email

As long as the Incoming and Outgoing email servers remain seperate,subject to inspection and undergo regular auditing, then the email stored on Gmail will remain unreadable to Google.

doesn't realise that if there was an OSS GUI kit (like Qt) then there would be OSS Windows development

The manual is here

• Extremely simple, yet rich markup
  
• Automagical Tables of Contents
  
• Easy support for tables
  
• Support for TeX markup for mathematical formulae (if needed)
  
• Support for embedded images
  
• Ability to diff with previous interations of an article and roll back changes if needed

Anybody could quite legitimately port that to Windows, (...)

• The native win32 port of the qt library is going to have the following features:
  
• Complete gpl licensed replacement for win32 environments
• based on the gpled qt/X11 sources means there is no licensing problems with any commercial trolltech license
• supports mingw and cygwin host environment
• supports cygwin mount table even under mingw environment - improves cygwin and mingw interoperability
• base of a future native KDE port

Anybody could quite legitimately port that to Windows, (...)

• The native win32 port of the qt library is going to have the following features:
  
• Complete gpl licensed replacement for win32 environments
• based on the gpled qt/X11 sources means there is no licensing problems with any commercial trolltech license
• supports mingw and cygwin host environment
• supports cygwin mount table even under mingw environment - improves cygwin and mingw interoperability
• base of a future native KDE port

After the Swing API has been successfully ported on top of SWT (SwingWT) - why not a Swing API on top of QT? SwingQT would be a useful step for both, Java and QT.
There is already a QtAWT but Swing on top of the QtPeers is still just Swing, not Qt.

Want to use aim without their (aol) software?

Step this way gentlemen. May I introduce to you Miranda

The release in C++ GUI Programming with Qt 3 is not too bad. There is a little hacking to do if you want to use the free Borland compiler with threads. Also cygwin is a must. Once these two things are done, it's easy to develop on Linux and port the final app to windows.

"Enterprise features", like activeX controls, are not in the book release.

There is a GPL Windows port in the works...not from trolltech, but from here.

I think the enterprise license for the Windows release, necessary if you want to use the advanced features of Qt or are doing closed source work, is about $2500 a year (per developer) and about $400 a year (per developer) after that for license maintenance.

It's a nice toolkit. It could be better, the documentation is a little weak in places, some the objects are malformed, they don't use enough STL.

Beyond this, just being able to search on the web for the solutions to common problems is just great.

Personally, I don't care if it's not GPLd under Windows. People who pay for pain won't mind paying for some more! As I say, you can develop and demo under linux for free, and port to windows later...watch out for enterprise or professional only features...they will be missing from the book version.

I can't believe I fell for it. The site is such an obvious fake. These guys are laughing their collective butts off at our readiness to don the tinfoil hat and march into battle.

Mod me down... after replying to such a fake, I don't deserve Karma.

Now, what do we do about Timothy, the editor, and gbjbaanb, the submitter?

I've heard very good things about txt2tags but I haven't used it myself. It's used to generate the pages of Dicas-L which hosts a famous Brazilian mailing list which sends daily computer related tips.

Try some of the simple marup in a wiki text page:

PhpWiki TextFormattingRules

I have to say, I wish slashdot would support this kind of markup. Kuro5hin has a similar 'auto-format', but PhpWiki's is more powerful.

-molo

It explains the hows and whys of tables on the quick reference page

Then there is the OPML and OML duo which provides nice and flexible documents and their outlines.

You could even consider GNML which is a wacky markup language which uses non-letter chars as tags. It tries stay out of your way as much as possible.

I personaly would make a markup language which suited my style using XML and DTD

This is what you need. Outputs to HTML, Latex, XML. Easy to write, easy to read.

Gaim

Just a friendly reminder in case there's anyone out there in slashdot land who still doesn't know about it. Works perfectly with AIM/ICQ and Jabber (and those other services no one actually uses ^_~) Even has a Win32 installer.

I use gaim instead of AOL instant messenger. It's got just about every feature that AOL instant messenger has, plus a slew more (plus it can consolidate chat clients). It is easy enough to use for non techies that all my friends and family are on it instead of the AOL version. There are OpenSource projects out there for everything. Check out Sourceforge. And, if you really like the product, and it saves you some money, donate some money to the project so it can get even better.

I use gaim instead of AOL instant messenger. It's got just about every feature that AOL instant messenger has, plus a slew more (plus it can consolidate chat clients). It is easy enough to use for non techies that all my friends and family are on it instead of the AOL version. There are OpenSource projects out there for everything. Check out Sourceforge. And, if you really like the product, and it saves you some money, donate some money to the project so it can get even better.

Okay, so the guy had done a lot for the software industry but let's get real: Show of hands--how many of us would have decent jobs if all software were completely free as defined by Stallman? Uuuuhhh... yeah, I thought so. The man needs to come down from his ivory tower and look at how the real world works.

I've used Java for over seven years and have never paid Sun a time for it. Likewise we use Java in our product and neither us nor our customers have paid Sun a dime for it--though they have paid a lot for our product! And damn glad I am, too, that they buy our software. It pays our bills and gives me some time to contribute to at least one free project. Now what is so wrong with this picture?

Why don't folks just run linux.

Well, they could, but why not just have a linux router/firewall? I know we all have old 133s lying around in our closets...why not put them to use?

leaf.sourceforge.net

I am now working on an OSS project with a lot of these ideas in mind.

Discourse District
A dynamic repository for community writings, a mirror, mapping the writing community.

(the link above points to an abstract, the link to the system is at the bottom)

basically it is a wiki adaptation with touchgraph interface, that is meant to be a community utilized concept map.
Born out of a need to define the Complexity community, its scope, and the fact that no one person could define it , since everybody else would disagree.
This way the community would be defined by anyone adding their activities, and a graphical map would be a new form of definition

That number again '0'(Chief Wiggham)

I am new to this and would appreciate your comments on
1. Concepts
2. UI
3. publication
4. that stupid IE6 SP0 bug on calling an applet from the contatining page and getting the width...

I am now working on an OSS project with a lot of these ideas in mind.

Discourse District
A dynamic repository for community writings, a mirror, mapping the writing community.

(the link above points to an abstract, the link to the system is at the bottom)

basically it is a wiki adaptation with touchgraph interface, that is meant to be a community utilized concept map.
Born out of a need to define the Complexity community, its scope, and the fact that no one person could define it , since everybody else would disagree.
This way the community would be defined by anyone adding their activities, and a graphical map would be a new form of definition

That number again '0'(Chief Wiggham)

I am new to this and would appreciate your comments on
1. Concepts
2. UI
3. publication
4. that stupid IE6 SP0 bug on calling an applet from the contatining page and getting the width...

MediaWiki in particular implements many ideas that were already envisioned by Ted Nelson and Doug Engelbart. It does show backlinks, but perhaps more importantly, it also allows dynamic inclusion of any page in the current development version. For example, you could have a header and footer in your documentation that is the same for every page. What's more, you can add parameters to these templates to dynamically search and replace patterns of text in the template before transcluding it. This will allow us to replace the currently statically hacked Wikipedia infoboxes with dynamically included and parametrized templates, for example. One long term feature that might be worth hacking on top of this would be transclusion of labeled sections from another page, or interwiki transclusion.

Check out the current feature list and the development roadmap. Subscribe to wikitech-l to help us in improving the software. In true wiki spirit, we are fairly liberal at handing out CVS access (over 40 developers with CVS access at present), so please do ask if you want to work on a larger project.

There are many other wiki engines that are worth working on, such as TWiki and MoinMoin. Their main deficiency, in my opinion, is that they do rely primarily on the traditional wiki link pattern of CamelCase, which is nice for geeks but very ugly for everyone else, and also useless for search engines. MediaWiki uses [[free links]] instead, which are harder to type, but look just like normal links to the reader. Still, working on any other wiki engine is a lot better than starting yet another one.

A collaborative tool which is badly needed is a free software clone of SubEthaEdit. Combine wikis with real-time editing and the fun really begins. I imagine something like that might be hackable on top of a powerful graphical editor like Kate. For now WebDAV-support for MediaWiki would also be very cool, as Kate/KDE already supports editing WebDAV resources. So many worthwhile hacks, so little time.

This is an area where open source coders can make a big difference while corporations are still bewildered by the fact that open wikis can produce useful content. So please, let's work together on these tools.

Real geeks who dislike the RIAA and/or want to stick it to The Man use Mute, a free and anonymous filesharing program.

I'm a huge fan of the iTunes music store.. So huge, in fact, that I'm actually PURCHASING music through this outstanding service and bought myself a 20 gig ipod. My inclination is hardly to convince the world to pay for their music vs. downloading them ilegally; rather it's because I happen to like paying only $10 for an album. I'm a bargain hunter.

It was bad enough that the RIAA shunned legal digital downloads long enough for the pirates to take over the industry. Add to that their decision to continually fight a customer-driven demand for a more flexible (and cheaper) medium of distribution.. Now just when something out there is working, they want to jack the price up to a level that will send all of those wouldbe legal customers back to the P2P world using anonymousnetworks.

The RIAA needs to wake up and recognize their issues here.. Their customers want a more flexible delivery mechanism, they want to pay less, and need the flexibility they currently have with a CD. Apple accomplished much of this with their product, which the RIAA will subsequently destroy with their greedy price increases.

Let's face it - in business customers drive the industry. When Americans stopped buying domestics, the industry responded with better products that met customer needs. When New Coke flopped, Coca Cola wisely switched back to the old formula.

The RIAA and its member companies had an opportunity in 1997 when illegal MP3's first surfaced to nip this problem. The early adopters were trading heavily on the IRC network, which led the rise of Napster and later Kazaa. These networks suceeded because it was just so darn tough for file traders to find the songs they were looking for. Had the RIAA member companies set up a site at any point between 1997 and 2000 (even without digital rights management), they could have easily circumvented the rise of these illegal networks. CD's themselves were insecure enough to create this massive proliferation in the first place!!

Fight them. Write to them and tell them what a stupid decision this is.

two even better alternative currencies (though they are complementary currencies, unlike e-gold) DEM and Geek Credit. Both are p2p and can work w/o banker.

When are these people going to realize that all are inferior to the might of FLUXBOX!!!!!!

If its for Linux, you could also run User Mode Linux, and save on the VMware license.
Link Here

That way, you've got as many as you want, $150 each, running Linux... life is good! Get a decent switch and away you go! And, they don't take up too much room or make too much noise... just get a table and stack 'em.

Just download from here. No installation necessary. Just drag the package to /Applications and make sure you have Apple's X11 installed.

its already here :: IRATE RADIO

its called mute

FileZilla