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Far too many apps on the AppStore which utilise trackers of all sorts, most famous being Google analytics and other Google adware tools, but more so other companies that use advanced forms of fingerprinting such as playing sound / detecting sound outside the human listening wavelength as well as watching movement of fingers across the screen.

But seeing as Android and Windows 10 are now the most dominant OS globally, most sheep obviously don't care about their privacy (or they're clueless of it).

Windows 10 was just trying (and failing) to catch up to Mac in collect user data.. They are still far behind since they have trouble getting people to use their app-store, where macsheep are more pliable

really?
So, exactly WHAT search engine competes against Google? This says in the 90s. Another measure claims 75%.
that is a monopoly. It might be natural (MS and IBM were created and enforced illegally), but still a monopoly.

Facebook ? Who else has more than 50% of the market? Hell, who else has more than 15% of the social networking market?Here shows facebook with ~75% of the social networking market. The LOWEST that I could find was 39%, with you tube have similar so that the 2 of them owned the industry.
I would call that a monopoly.

Amazon? Don't get me started there. NOBODY competes against them except for Alibaba Group and that is because Chinese gov pretty much blocks Amazon while subsidizing Alibaba.

By breaking these companies up, into just 3 companies each, it would get competition moving forward. It is not as though they are going to shrink. They will simply become hungry and compete against each other.

BTW, when W/O bailed out GM and chrysler, they should have broke them apart into smaller companies and had them competing. Had that happened, we would have seen radically different results in America.

really?
So, exactly WHAT search engine competes against Google? This says in the 90s. Another measure claims 75%.
that is a monopoly. It might be natural (MS and IBM were created and enforced illegally), but still a monopoly.

Facebook ? Who else has more than 50% of the market? Hell, who else has more than 15% of the social networking market?Here shows facebook with ~75% of the social networking market. The LOWEST that I could find was 39%, with you tube have similar so that the 2 of them owned the industry.
I would call that a monopoly.

Amazon? Don't get me started there. NOBODY competes against them except for Alibaba Group and that is because Chinese gov pretty much blocks Amazon while subsidizing Alibaba.

By breaking these companies up, into just 3 companies each, it would get competition moving forward. It is not as though they are going to shrink. They will simply become hungry and compete against each other.

BTW, when W/O bailed out GM and chrysler, they should have broke them apart into smaller companies and had them competing. Had that happened, we would have seen radically different results in America.

Interesting : http://gs.statcounter.com/os-m... That link shows total market share for all OS, Windows 10 fell behind Android at the same time Windows 10 surpassed 7. It might show a bit of users switch from Windows 7 devices to Chromebooks or other Android devices and not simply upgrading to 10.

Far too many apps on the AppStore which utilise trackers of all sorts, most famous being Google analytics and other Google adware tools, but more so other companies that use advanced forms of fingerprinting such as playing sound / detecting sound outside the human listening wavelength as well as watching movement of fingers across the screen.

But seeing as Android and Windows 10 are now the most dominant OS globally, most sheep obviously don't care about their privacy (or they're clueless of it).

Far too many apps on the AppStore which utilise trackers of all sorts, most famous being Google analytics and other Google adware tools, but more so other companies that use advanced forms of fingerprinting such as playing sound / detecting sound outside the human listening wavelength as well as watching movement of fingers across the screen.

But seeing as Android and Windows 10 are now the most dominant OS globally, most sheep obviously don't care about their privacy (or they're clueless of it).

Your argument debunked. As you can see, the imminent release of Quantum marks the day Firefox lost to Chrome in Germany. Not google advertising, neither software bundles.

Here's how Mozilla lost its 1st place in one of their last remaining bastions. "Speed is of the essence in Mozilla's recovery plan" the article says, but in reality what should be the essence for a recovery plan is to bite the bullet and admit they were wrong in deprecating what made them unique.

It's worse than that.

Many people who created extensions have given up and abandoned them. Its not that they don't want to re-write them, its because their extensions CAN'T be re-written to work with the new Firefox due to the internal changes that have been made.

And that leads to the real problem -- Firefox has always been shit, but, we were able to cover up all of its flaws and turn it into a good browser with extensions. Now that all my favorite themes and extensions no longer work, I'm just left with a shit browser that no longer works or looks the way I want.

Fortunately, there's still Palemoon.

Here's how Mozilla lost its 1st place in one of their last remaining bastions. "Speed is of the essence in Mozilla's recovery plan" the article says, but in reality what should be the essence for a recovery plan is to bite the bullet and admit they were wrong in deprecating what made them unique.

Apple are more evil than Microsoft. However they don't have the same monopoly power. Most people using Macs could switch to Windows - everyone except for people who want to run XCode and a few other corner cases where the application they need only runs on macOS. But for the average Mac user everything they need is on Windows. And probably on Linux too.

Google are also more evil than Microsoft and they control a larger chunk of the mobile market. E.g.

https://www.idc.com/promo/smar...

Right now it's 85.0% Android 14.7% iOS.

So Google has a domination of the mobile market similar to Microsoft's domination of the desktop market. And if you look at mobile and desktop you find that Android and Windows are level pegging.

http://gs.statcounter.com/os-m...

Windows still dominates desktops but tablets and phones are gradually taking over from desktops. Since Microsoft have given up on Windows phone the odds are that Google will eventually have a Microsoft like domination of the whole market.

I.e. Google already has the dominance of mobile Microsoft had on desktops. And as mobile takes over from desktops they will end up with the dominance they have of the whole market.

And of course the have the most used search engine, the most used video sharing site and the most used browser. Plus, unlike Microsoft or even Apple, they're willing to use their market dominance to shut down ideas they dislike. Microsoft and Apple only use(d) theirs to cripple their competition, something Google does with alacrity too.

Microsoft was a bit like the Shah or Czar - a dictator sure but so long as you didn't directly oppose them they'd leave you alone. Google is like the Ayatollah or Lenin - even if you didn't directly oppose them they might decide to target your group for purging for, as they see it, the good of the body politic.

Oh, Firefox? That's a RINGING endorsement! After all, it has a massive 6.1% of the market and falling! Why, Firefox will SAVE RUST for EVERYONE!

Err no it's not.

I was quite surprised (and saddened) to discover that Win10 has been the most popular Windows OS in Western nations for several months now, including America and Europe,overtaking Win7 around the beginning of 2017.

And sadly, Win10 is now only 2% behind Win7 as being the most popular Windows OS in the World.

If people are sheep-enough to let Google use them with Android / Chrome, then it makes sense why Microsoft following their spying strategy will also succeed.

People simply don't know / don't care about their privacy.

Err no it's not.

I was quite surprised (and saddened) to discover that Win10 has been the most popular Windows OS in Western nations for several months now, including America and Europe,overtaking Win7 around the beginning of 2017.

And sadly, Win10 is now only 2% behind Win7 as being the most popular Windows OS in the World.

If people are sheep-enough to let Google use them with Android / Chrome, then it makes sense why Microsoft following their spying strategy will also succeed.

People simply don't know / don't care about their privacy.

Err no it's not.

I was quite surprised (and saddened) to discover that Win10 has been the most popular Windows OS in Western nations for several months now, including America and Europe,overtaking Win7 around the beginning of 2017.

And sadly, Win10 is now only 2% behind Win7 as being the most popular Windows OS in the World.

If people are sheep-enough to let Google use them with Android / Chrome, then it makes sense why Microsoft following their spying strategy will also succeed.

People simply don't know / don't care about their privacy.

Pretty much. Now they've gone back to a start menu from a start screen you can tell that the people who pushed the start screen at Microsoft are going to push some new UI innovation which will irritate everyone outside of Microsoft.

Well a few tech reviewers will write articles where they cut and paste phrases from Microsoft's press release and say 'much better than the old Windows way of doing things' in return for a swag bag from a hot girl at Microsoft PR. And then go back to using their Macbooks.

A few people will point out that for people who actually use Windows at work it is vastly inferior. Or for people who use Windows at home and are not that technical it is completely baffling.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?...

Microsoft will ignore this of course and push it out by auto update. And then they'll notice that strangely their share of all devices browsing the net, already level pegging with Android, has dropped a bit more as non technical types flee to Android, iOS, macOS etc. Technical types will figure out hack to revert the changes or head for Mac or Linux. Corporations will pay for downgrade rights to older MS OSs.

Microsoft will insist everything is fine for a while, and then introduce a new OS which claims to roll back the changes but which does not. Amusing comics will be drawn.

https://www.penny-arcade.com/c...

Market share will continue to l fall, but technical types who need Windows will stick with their hack. Or rather a newer version, because Microsoft broke the first one with the new OS release. Or move to Mac because they want to be able to build apps for Android and iOS, the only OSs that really matter commercially now that the WIndows ship is sinking even faster than before. If Google were smart at this point they'd offer something which is a bit more capable than a Chromebook, AndroidBook for example, to try to hoover up some of those people fleeing Windows but who don't want a Mac and can't use Linux but they probably aren't. Apple will probably do something stupid to put people off Macs, analogous to their decision to solder in ram and SSD on all new models to stop people upgrading them. What that will be I'm not sure. Switch the whole keyboard to a larger version of the TouchBar for example.

Finally Microsoft will release an OS which really does roll back most of the changes, the way Windows 10 has a start menu with a load of 'tile shit' embedded in it that no one uses but it's sort of OK because it has the Win32 apps people actually use there too. Corporations will still try to pay for downgrade rights, and Microsoft will tell them they can't anymore.

And then the cycle will start anew! It's the circle of life!

No, desktop Linux market share is much smaller than macOS.

they don't care enough to even approve testing in Chrome on Android, let alone any fixes.

Well, they aren't very smart. Or maybe it's your decision?
http://gs.statcounter.com/brow...

Chrome has ~50% share, and the next highest is Safari w/ ~18%.

because: http://gs.statcounter.com/brow...

Firefox remains the dominant browser

Bullcrap. Chrome has about half the market. Firefox is at about 6%, about half of Safari's share.

I only use Firefox for Selenium scripts, and even for that I have to use an old version since the latest releases of FF no longer work with Selenium. Web automation was the only area where Firefox was superior ... so they broke it.

Wow. How sad.

My father is retired and 70 now. He was once a nerd who used to do punch card programming back during the IBM mainframe 360 days. He is out of date with computer knowledge and industry for awhile now, but still uses Firefox. He is loyal because he saved us from MS owning the internet and reading about the nightmares of IE 6 early last decade.

I share his sentiment. I was a rapid Firefox fanboy back when it was called Phoenix and it was a secret geek thing like Linux today. My how times change and is sombering because I have not run Firefox as my main browser in GOSH half a decade now since early 2011 when Chrome 6 and IE 9 were so much better options and FAST on my dual core AMD laptop. Firefox 3.6 was meh and getting slloow and used up lots of ram.

What did mozilla do? They released 4.0 and did the disaster constant update! It was worse. Websites would break, plugins kept breaking, things would always change which made corporate America about to kick Firefoxes ass BACK OUT and replace it with IE all over again! Grrr

Chrome was fast and IE 9 was now standards compliant with smooth hardware acceleration and was light. I started using Chrome and haven't looked back.

Interestingly, I found out Chrome OS and the Chrome browser was originally using Mozilla Gecko internally. The engineers at Google decided WebKit was far superior to work with and more modular without Netscape crud and legacy stuff. This meant much better security and a model where you can update every 6 weeks without breaking plugins too. This is a classic lesson of poor leadership and management in the graveyard of once good technology and should be a lesson in the future. WinAMP, Lotus Notes, AIM, are examples. I fear Linux is heading in that direction now too with shitty guis, SystemD, pulseAudio, Wayland, and no real leadership or designs or goals.

Remember Firefox was growing almost unstoppable in 2010 and within 2 years started declining FAST. Any piece of software it can happen too as we all remember the days of 90% marketshare of IE 6 too which started to wane in just a few years to Firefox previously.

Goodbye Mozilla. Sorry it didn't work out and will always remember you.

Firefox remains the dominant browser

Bullcrap. Chrome has about half the market. Firefox is at about 6%, about half of Safari's share.

I only use Firefox for Selenium scripts, and even for that I have to use an old version since the latest releases of FF no longer work with Selenium. Web automation was the only area where Firefox was superior ... so they broke it.

A long time ago I owned one of these

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...

It was a clamshell device running Geos. Folded up it had an external display for phone stuff.

Now I reckon something like this might be viable now. You'd have Windows on both the phone and PDA side. The phone would be somewhat limited - i.e. basically a dumb phone for calls. Everything else would done on the PDA side. They could use one of the Atom descendents like this

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...

Or they could run on ARM with their x86 to ARM emulator.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?...

Of course Microsoft have managed to wreck the desirability of such a such a device. Right now if you look at all device classes Windows and Android are actually neck and neck - Windows dominates desktops and notebooks but Android dominates tablets and phones

http://gs.statcounter.com/os-m...

It's questionable if there is still a market for a clamshell phone sized device running desktop Windows. Basically you'd end up with a 5 to 6 inch display, which is probably too small to do desktop stuff.

Also even though desktop Windows has most of the desktop market share, it's no longer the only desktop OS. Back in the old days if you wanted to view .doc and .xls files you basically needed Windows and Microsoft Office. Now it's not like that - both open OK on my Android phone and Mac using non Microsoft OSs and non Microsoft office packages. And if you want to run Photoshop or Office you need a big screen and fast processor.

I actually thought they'd do something like this with WIndows Phone. Instead they decided to kill Win32 support and try to move everyone to buying Metro apps from the Windows Store. And they Metroised Windows 8. Still perhaps now they've officially dropped Windows Phone they might decide to rethink. I suspect the ship has sailed for Win32 anyway though, and that probably means the end of Microsoft in the long run. If you're going to move from Win32 to a new OS as a user you'd be better off moving from Microsoft to Android, Chrome, macOS, iOS or Linux.

Chromebooks have outsold Windows laptops on Amazon for years and years now.

Cherry picking data much? ChromeOS has 0.84% market share on StatCounter's OS statistics.

Are you doing the retard thing and including phones, tablets, watches and any other thing you can throw in to try and make the numbers look worse?

Even if you do that it's still ~40%, level with Android

http://gs.statcounter.com/os-m...

If you could just desktop systems it's ~90%

https://www.netmarketshare.com...

You'd think a sane company would be happy to be producing an OS which is still on something like 90% desktop/laptop market share.

https://www.netmarketshare.com...

Of course if you go to somewhere like statcounter you find that mobiles have taken over from desktops/laptops and if you count all devices you find that Windows is basically neck and neck with Android with iOS and MacOS following up a long way behind. I.e. the move from desktops/laptops to phones/tablets has not been good for Microsoft who managed to go from 10% or so market share with Windows Mobile to 0% with Windows Phone.

http://gs.statcounter.com/os-m...

And Metro was an attempt to mix up the popular desktop Windows with the aggressively unpopular Windows Phone. And the end result seems to be that Windows Phone is dead and desktop Windows is dying.

And of course when it comes to servers the world has moved to Linux.

The problem with charging more for high end desktop systems is that they run the risk of simply moving those systems to Mac of Linux, just like Metro and the Start Screen didn't make Windows phone more popular, it made desktop Windows less popular.

Microsoft now are a bit like IBM were after IBM lost control of the PC market. They'll embrace open systems, try to launch new and more proprietary alternatives to the market leader etc. Windows Phone could be considered the Microsoft version of the PS/2 and MCA - i.e. attempt to move people from the cheap, somewhat crappy but multi vendor market leader (PC clones/Android phones) to a system which could only be bought from them.

I.e. a whole host of ways to avoid irrelevance. However I think irrelevance is probably the end result.

And it's a shame really. I like my Macbook, but it was noticeably more expensive than an equivalent machine running Windows. And now Macbooks have become the default in so many environments - education, media. startups and especially app development for Android and iOS - it's become harder to think different as it were when buying a new laptop. I.e. all Microsoft have achieved by running Windows into the ground is that people spend an extra $500 or so on a new laptop because they need a Mac to be able to develop for the two platforms, iOS and Android, where people actually make any money out of apps.

Even http://gs.statcounter.com/os-m... has Linux waaayyy ahead of windows. So I reckon you are only fooling yourself.
Operating System Market Share Worldwide - August 2017
Android Linux
39.82%
Windows
36.1%
iOS
13.68%
OS X
5.1%
Unknown
2.72%
Other Linux
0.8%

Yeah, the threat to Microsoft is not that Linux is taking over the desktop, it's that the desktop is in considerable decline from 365 million to 270 million units/year. And it's in absolute decline in a booming market where at the same time you've gone from selling 472 million to 1.5 billion smartphones a year. The same trend is confirmed by browsing statistics. It's not dying, but it's not the future. And I don't understand how you can say their server platform is not threatened and at the same time say 1/3rd of the Azure instances run Linux, yes if you got Windows desktops you'll probably have a AD/Exchange/Sharepoint server but my guess is they're an ever smaller corner of a virtualized server, just like any PC can manage to run MS Office.

It's clear that Microsoft's big plan for the future is to get businesses hooked on Azure services and consumers to give a 30% cut at the store, the product is just a means to an end like how Google delivers you Android so you'll talk to all the Google services and buy from the Play store. Everything else is a hook to get you to use it, if you have to make the tools free and open source that's what they'll do. As in, I think Microsoft is going to a place where releasing a "Windows Open Source Project" wouldn't hurt them more than Google's "Android Open Source Project", because that's not really the moneymaker. If Microsoft can make money selling ice skates, don't be surprised if hell freezes over...

The smartphone market is officially mature...

Actually, no. We've just gotten to where things get interesting... Android/Linux passes Microsoft on the internet and just keeps going. Apple a distant third in that race.

A 30% jump in one month, after two decades of "YYYY will be the year of Linux on the desktop!" ? The explanation is obvious: bad data.

Almost certainly, it would take an extreme swing in sales/installations to make the number of active Linux devices swing 30% in a month. After all, the vast majority of people use the same OS this month as they used last month. If you say people make an OS choice every 3 years, you'd at most expect 100%/(12 months/years*3 years) = 2.8% change per month even if everybody switched to a new OS. Also it's not collaborated by other sources, the desktop market share on statcounter has barely moved, Linux has gone from 1.74% to 1.79%. When these curves swing it's because there's been some kind of change in how they identify devices and platforms, either because they changed the definition or because new devices challenge it.

but somehow VP9 has wide adoption?

Yes. Browsers than support VP9 make up 80% of the market. Consider Despacito and, yes, consider it slowly. Like all YouTube video, it's streamed in VP9 when the browser supports it. That's 2.4 billion views in VP9, 600 million in H.264.

Facts bounce off you like Teflon

I think you're confusing teflon with rubber or possibly a trampoline. Don't worry, kid. One day you'll get there. Stay strong!

Wishful Thinking

You got this Mozilla, no really you do...

Intel's problem is that they have already cut their losses and ran from the invasion of phone/tablet products. It's the 11th straight quarter of declining PC shipments. Meanwhile smartphone sales are up again now outselling PCs at a rate well over 5:1. Tablet sales are also down (Q1 numbers) so you might say Microsoft has managed to shore up the convertible/laptop market with the Surface line, but WinTel is completely on the sidelines in the global smartphone revolution. According to the platform statistics 53% of all Internet access is now mobile, 42% PC, 5% tablets.

Intel is not in trouble, they have the server market and so far AMD's offering is basically a return to competition, it's a long way to go until Intel is on the ropes fighting for survival. But they and Microsoft completely failed to bring out a good x86 smartphone leveraging the tons of existing win32 code, I don't know why. I mean all the alarm bells should have gone off when the iPhone became a success in 2007, even with 3-4 years development time they should be ready to kick ass around 2011 but instead we got the Nokia flop. Considering the power of phones relative to typical office applications I'm kinda waiting for the phone with a cheap dock that gives you charging, display, keyboard, mouse, a chromebook-like UI and a bluetooth headset in case you need to answer the phone while docked. Like if you already have a phone and a TV, add these accessories and you won't need a laptop.

The most popular operating system in China are Android and Windows. China doesn't supply a browser; the most popular one is Chrome by a long shot.

http://gs.statcounter.com/brow...

Maybe you are confusing them with North Korea?

Mac is not reasonably popular, it is less than 5%.

You're wrong.

It is almost TEN TIMES as popular as Linux.

http://gs.statcounter.com/os-m...

Virus writers will target the largest market portion. If that's Windows, they'll write viruses for Windows.

According to this page, Windows market share is currently at ~37%. How low will it have to drop before virus writers notice that they're targeting a minority OS?

is that there are too many software packages in use by organizations that require legacy support that won't work within many new browsers. My company has software that requires IE9 with outdated plugins that haven't been developed since 2003

That rhetoric used to be true but not anymore. I hate to tell you, your company is the minority and it's becoming more of a minority every day. Several problems with your argument are IE9 runs on which version of Windows again? Oh the one that Microsoft doesn't support anymore. Sources:

http://www.directionsonmicroso...
https://support.microsoft.com/...

I guess you hope you're on Windows 7 and have the extended support. For the rest of us, we're not in the dark ages anymore. It's 2017 for crying out loud. Quirksmode vs. HTML 5, you do the math. How do you deliver a mobile experience with Quirksmode? *cough*

Here is a last chance to prevent it from become totally obscure.... EMBRACE USER CONTROL. Differentiate yourself based on that. It is something Chrome sorely lacks.

Have fun storming the castle! It'll take a miracle...

http://gs.statcounter.com/os-m...
http://gs.statcounter.com/os-v...
http://store.steampowered.com/...

As far as PC games go, Microsoft Windows dominates although if you go to Steam and look at the number of games available for Linux and SteamOS there are over 5,000 and some are AAA. Good luck finding the time to play them all.

And yet the trend is backwards towards less Linux users... Linux used to have something like 1% when SteamOS was being hyped, today it's at 0.8%. You keep talking it up, I'm telling you users aren't buying it.

In the motherboard BIOS there is an option for "Other OS" and I initially installed Fedora 24 (now 25) on the Z170 (takes Sky Lake) without any problems so I don't forsee any issues with the motherboards for Ryzen (when it comes out) or Kaby Lake which has the same LGA 1151 socket as Sky lake and will run on Z170, H170, B150 and H110 series motherboards

Well except that AMD has explicitly said there won't be any chipset drivers for Ryzen on Win7. That Kaby Lake is supported is more of an accident because it's so similar to Skylake and even Skylake support was only after a business uproar against Microsoft.

The majority of people will not upgrade to Windows 10 unless Microsoft use the same tactics when they made the OS a free upgrade if you had a legitimate copy of Windows 7 or Widows 8.1. If you wish to upgrade now you have to pay for Windows 10 and most people will not do that unless they replace their PC which in the majority of cases the new PC will come with Windows 10 as the default OS.

In other words they will move to Windows 10 one way or the other. Who cares if they don't upgrade? It means they still use Windows software and when their Windows box finally dies they'll get a new one. That's what I said, the total number of Windows users is flat. A WinXP/Vista/7/8 user disappears, a Win10 user appears and hardly any new Mac/Linux users.

http://gs.statcounter.com/os-m...
http://gs.statcounter.com/os-v...
http://store.steampowered.com/...

As far as PC games go, Microsoft Windows dominates although if you go to Steam and look at the number of games available for Linux and SteamOS there are over 5,000 and some are AAA. Good luck finding the time to play them all.

And yet the trend is backwards towards less Linux users... Linux used to have something like 1% when SteamOS was being hyped, today it's at 0.8%. You keep talking it up, I'm telling you users aren't buying it.

In the motherboard BIOS there is an option for "Other OS" and I initially installed Fedora 24 (now 25) on the Z170 (takes Sky Lake) without any problems so I don't forsee any issues with the motherboards for Ryzen (when it comes out) or Kaby Lake which has the same LGA 1151 socket as Sky lake and will run on Z170, H170, B150 and H110 series motherboards

Well except that AMD has explicitly said there won't be any chipset drivers for Ryzen on Win7. That Kaby Lake is supported is more of an accident because it's so similar to Skylake and even Skylake support was only after a business uproar against Microsoft.

The majority of people will not upgrade to Windows 10 unless Microsoft use the same tactics when they made the OS a free upgrade if you had a legitimate copy of Windows 7 or Widows 8.1. If you wish to upgrade now you have to pay for Windows 10 and most people will not do that unless they replace their PC which in the majority of cases the new PC will come with Windows 10 as the default OS.

In other words they will move to Windows 10 one way or the other. Who cares if they don't upgrade? It means they still use Windows software and when their Windows box finally dies they'll get a new one. That's what I said, the total number of Windows users is flat. A WinXP/Vista/7/8 user disappears, a Win10 user appears and hardly any new Mac/Linux users.

Ahh, but that really is not true. According to W3 Linux OS share of web browsing is around 5.7% of the market total.

And according to NetMarketShare it's just 2.27% and StatCounter pegs it at a little over 1.5%.

Of course if you actually look at how the data you reference was collected:

From the statistics below (collected from W3Schools' log-files since 2003), you can read the long term trends of operating system usage.

We can see why the data seems to contradict all other sources, and why it pegs mobile use at ~5% which is obviously not representative of broader usage whatsoever.

This seems low until you consider that People do about half of their web browsing from work, and half at home, and the business world is almost 100% PC or Mac.

Neither of those things are supported by any evidence whatsoever, but more to the point your statistics are purely computers that visit the W3Schools website. The comparatively low mobile marketshare didn't tip you off that maybe these statistics weren't representative of the real world?

Taken in that context, that 5.7% ends up being closer to 12% when you consider just home computers that visit W3Schools website.

FTFY

When taken in that context, Microsoft really only has about 75% market share on home PC's that visit W3Schools website.

FTFY again.

This trend has been slowly moving for more than a decade, and there is no reason to expect it will not continue.

No it hasn't, according to all other reputable sources that isn't true at all. macOS marketshare has risen, Linux has not.

StatCounter has 7 at 40% and 10 at 27% for desktop worldwide market share.

North America and Europe are fairly even with each carrying around 30-35%, with Oceania has 10 exceeding 7 by over 10%. However, the remainder more than balances that with much lower upgrade rates in Asia, Africa, and South America.

StatCounter has 7 at 40% and 10 at 27% for desktop worldwide market share.

North America and Europe are fairly even with each carrying around 30-35%, with Oceania has 10 exceeding 7 by over 10%. However, the remainder more than balances that with much lower upgrade rates in Asia, Africa, and South America.

StatCounter has 7 at 40% and 10 at 27% for desktop worldwide market share.

North America and Europe are fairly even with each carrying around 30-35%, with Oceania has 10 exceeding 7 by over 10%. However, the remainder more than balances that with much lower upgrade rates in Asia, Africa, and South America.

StatCounter has 7 at 40% and 10 at 27% for desktop worldwide market share.

North America and Europe are fairly even with each carrying around 30-35%, with Oceania has 10 exceeding 7 by over 10%. However, the remainder more than balances that with much lower upgrade rates in Asia, Africa, and South America.

Win10 has reset my preferences for HTML, PDF and JPG files across several updates. Additionally, it takes a LONG time to boot during these updates. I literally walked in to work one morning needing to send an email. After two reboots and logging in, waiting for Outlook to pop up, I finally gave up and composed my email on my phone. No sooner than I got outlook running, the O/S wanted ANOTHER reboot for another queued update.

Sounds like you have a bad install or unsupported hardware. Haven't seen anything like this with any of my systems (4 systems, which 2 are 5 years or older), the 50 windows I support at work or any of my close friends. For the most part most users had very positive things to say about the OS.

As for boot time, my boot time is 8 seconds on my most recent hardware and about 60 seconds on the old hardware. I think something is very wrong with your hardware or drivers.

Now look at this from the perspective of grandma and grandpa who just want to see the grandkids in email..... The IOS devices and even the android devices boot faster and when they do an update you don't even know it because all the apps stay where they were across the update.

Those devices are simpler and are much better suited for the clientele you suggest. Simple internet and computing usage requires nothing more than a tablet.

And we wonder why Win10 is losing market share?????

Where does it say that? Every article that comes out seems to suggest a higher number of users adopting Windows 10. Here's the stat counter for Windows 10. Constant incline. http://gs.statcounter.com/#des...

I'm all for pissing all over a product but it needs to have a foundation to stand on. One bad user experience doesn't tell the full story. I could easily have a biased opinion at the moment because I just had a really bad experience with MS on the licensing side but I try to stay impartial when evaluation a product regardless of my views of said company.

microsoft might commit corporate suicide

I doubt that.

Most people buying Kaby Lake processor based products will have it come with Windows 10. Windows 8 and 8.1 are practically dead already and being replaced with Windows 10. Windows 7 is in constant decline and also being replaced with Windows 10.
Facts are here: http://gs.statcounter.com/#des...

Corporation will roll out Windows 10 with the new computer hardware, this has happened from 95 to 98 to XP to 7 and now to 10.

Firefox is number 2 on the desktop. http://gs.statcounter.com/

It never really was in a minority there, but its almost nonexistent in the mobile world, so its combined stats has gotten much lower due to the rise of the mobile platform.

NetMarketShare is an independent site. In fact, its methodology shows lower percentages of Windows 10 usage than other sites such as StatCounter (which currently shows Windows 10 global market share at 24.2%).

Also these are global stats, but regional uptake information can be interesting. Europe and North America show slightly higher rates of adoption than the average, and Oceania shows a much more usage (Windows 10 has surpassed Windows 7). To balance, Asia and South America show somewhat lower adoption rates, and Africa has much lower usage.

The data over at Stat Counter seems to agree:

http://gs.statcounter.com/#desktop-os-ww-monthly-201506-201606

Looks like MacOS and Linux share has remained roughly flat over the last year. Win8.1 use has declined 48.5% and Win7 by 23.1%. Hence Win10's adoption has been at the expense of Win8.1 and to a lesser extent Win7. Overall it seems Microsoft's free upgrade has largely been successful at retaining existing Windows users, but it hasn't won any converts from Apple, and it hasn't slowed down Android at all. They stopped the bleeding, but its not exactly the "threshold" that would return Windows to growth that Microsoft's upper management claimed it would be.

Chill out troll, you're going to have an aneurysm.

caniuse.com is a pretty rubbish place to get stats,
here, go direct to the source instead: http://gs.statcounter.com/

I'd like to remind you, Firefox is a non-profit charitable organisation with a miniscule amount of funding for how much they have contributed to the open web and privacy!
Remember, they championed web standards compliance and the importance of the W3C and accessibility guidelines at a time when Microsoft wanted to make the web into a proprietary model, a bit like what Google is trying to do now.

And now Mozilla along with Opera are the ones who are championing the latest web standards, especially HTML5, CSS3 and 4, and especially Javascript (EMCAScript) upon which the entire web is built.

I shouldn't need to remind you that Google is a multi-billion dollar spying corp empire who's pumped an enormous amount of marketing power into their reskinned Apple Safari (AppleWebKit) rip-off, and you're comparing goliath to david's little baby kid?!

What I also find amazing is that Microsoft were heavily fined for bundling IE into Windows, but when Google advertises their browser all over Google.com (the window to the web for most people), and bundles Chrome into Android OS or their laptop OS, that's perfectly fine!
Perhaps it has something to do with the fact that Google is one of the biggest bribers... errr, I mean, "lobbyist" to the US Government?

Wake up retard.

No. If you look at statcounter's desktop share for the top 5 browsers you can see Firefox has been on steady decline and continues to decline, down to about 16% of desktop share which only accounts for about 65% of total web browsing. Their efforts on mobile have been an abject failure, be that Firefox for iOS/Android or their abortion of an operating system: FirefoxOS.