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Apple Announces iPhone X With Edge-To-Edge Display, Wireless Charging and No Home Button (theverge.com)
At its event in Cupertino, California today, Apple unveiled the iPhone X to mark the 10th anniversary of the iPhone. It brings several new features including an edge-to-edge screen, Qi wireless charging, and Face ID. The Verge reports: Because of its edge-to-edge display, the iPhone has no place for a conventional home button, relying instead on a complex facial recognition system to unlock the phone. Called FaceID, the new system will replace TouchID, the home button sensor that's enabled fingerprint logins since 2013's iPhone 5S. Users can wake the phone by swiping up from the button instead of hitting the button. The same gesture will open the control panel once the phone is awake. The updated iPhone 8 will continue unchanged, including both the home button and TouchID. Apple also unveiled the iPhone 8 and 8 Plus, which are updated versions of the iPhone 7 and 7 Plus released last year. These new devices feature glass backs with support for wireless charging. The Verge provides some additional specs and features in its report: Apple has improved the display on the iPhone 8 line, adding the same True Tone technology it offers on the 10.5-inch iPad Pro to automatically adjust the screen based on the ambient light in the room to offer more accurate colors. Internally, Apple has upgraded the processor from the A10 Fusion found in the 7 to the A11 Bionic. It's a six-core chip with two performance cores that are 25 percent faster than the A10, and four performance cores that the company says are 70 percent faster that the old model. There's also a new Apple-designed GPU that's 30 percent faster, with the same performance as the A10 at half the power. On the camera front, there's a new 12-megapixel sensor on the iPhone 8 that is larger, faster, and finally has optical image stabilization. The iPhone 8 Plus also has new sensors, and offers f/1.8 and f/2.8 apertures now. The dual cameras on the 8 Plus also have a new "Portrait Lighting" feature to adjust the lighting for portrait shots. And Apple says that the improvements apply to video, too, with Apple executive Phil Schiller claiming that the new devices have the "highest quality video capture ever in a smartphone," with support for 4K/60fps video. Slow motion videos now support up to 1080p resolution at 240fps, doubling the the iPhone 7's 120fps option. The iPhone 8 will start at $699 for a 64GB model, while the 8 Plus will start at $799 for 64GB of storage. You can preorder these devices starting Friday, September 15th, and they will be released a week later on September 22nd.
UPDATE 9/12/17: The iPhone X will be priced starting at $999 for the 64GB variant. Pre-order will be available October 27th with shipments starting November 3rd.
UPDATE 9/12/17: The iPhone X will be priced starting at $999 for the 64GB variant. Pre-order will be available October 27th with shipments starting November 3rd.
I'd like a plain "on" button, thank you.
Who in their right mind would now buy an iPhone 8 when it is obsoleted in the very same product announcement by the iPhone X?
Oh, I suppose people who can't afford an iPhone X will buy the iPhone 8, to show off with. Right? Right??
they brought back the headphone jack, right? Because they were able to jam so much other new things why not also find the room for something that caused much consternation last time around? It's only right to confirm their commitment to the consumer and are willing to admit they made an error in removing it, right?
Right?
I'm pretty underwhelmed by this. Most of these improvements seem to be incremental at most. Some of them, like the facial recognition, I don't even want. The emoji stuff is a pointless novelty at best. Android phones have had no home button for a long time.
If I were to get one of these phones, I don't think my life would change in any meaningful way.
This is very different from the first iPhone, or even the first iPad, which truly did make a difference in how I do my work and how I do about my day-to-day life. I could immediately think of many new possibilities when I first saw those products.
But this iPhone X? It seems like more of the same. It won't change my life. I wanted revolutionary improvements, but instead I got minor improvements.
FaceID seems like a change just for changes sake, and I'm skeptical about their claims about it being more secure.
The smartphone market is officially mature, as indicated by the fact that even Apple can't come up with anything other than incremental improvements and gimmicks.
This is stupid, what happens if the face detection does not work? What happens if you get injured or even a new haircut? What if you have a dark complexion or get a tan? This is the smarted form of stupid yet from Apple, a company more and more out of touch with its customers.
All the things Samsung has had for awhile. My wife has been using that feature for months. I think I remember Apple fanboys dismissing the edge to edge display. But since it's Apple, it's cool now. I honestly don't mind companies adding features from their competitors, but it's the "Since it's Apple, it's awesome!" attitude. Apple is temporarily on par with Samsung.
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You use your unlock code, just like the guy on stage had to do when it didn't unlock for him during the big presentation.
What would Steve Jobs think about the current state of Apple's products, were he still alive? I suspect he'd be disappointed. None of what we've seen today is earth-shattering innovation like Steve brought us again and again. Will Apple ever again create an earth-shattering innovation? Was Apple's ability to innovate really so dependent upon Steve?
WTF?
Why is it so cheap? Hoping it was at least $3000 so the peons couldn't afford one
The Police don't have your unlock code. They simply aim it at your face.
I'm pretty underwhelmed by this.
seek help soon, your narcissism is overwhelming
Not much difference from spending $300 on one versus spending $3,000 on one.
I didn't see the unveiling, but I'm wondering how they're going to protect against someone coming up to you, while you've got your head down playing Candy Crush, and just holding a Square ApplePay pad to your phone trying to make a $500 transaction. Up until now, with TouchID, you'd have to be holding a registered finger on the home button, but it would authorize the transaction in less than a second. Is FaceID just going to approve it if your face happens to be in front of it?
Phil Schiller fills us with shilling.
"Molest me not with this pocket calculator stuff."
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Have almost all these new technologies with better display. .. except for face unlock, which I don't know if it's a valuable option?
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The funniest thing was them trying to show it off working on stage, and it failed asking him to use his PIN instead because face recognition failed.
Microsoft, Apple, Google, Amazon what's the difference? All steal money from devs and control with walled gardens.
It's almost as if you haven't understood a single thing about how it works.
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Just hold up the phone to the person they arrest and they are in.
Hopefully they will have punched you in the face so it is nice and swollen
love is just extroverted narcissism
What's old is new again, I guess. Wireless charging at a time when it's either standard or removed. "Windows Hello" at a time where Windows phones aren't really a thing anymore. "Edge-to-edge" screen when every other manufacturer realized how lame this gimmick was.
All wrapped in a very large, chrome-wrapped... iPhone 3GS case?
I am pretty sure this is neither magical, nor brave.
maybe you're the one that is stupid?
It scans your facial features and essentially computes a checksum from the data. not your haircut
Supposedly there is a "super-locked" mode that you invoke by pressing the power and volume buttons (or double-clicking them or somesuch) which turns off the FaceID until you enter your unlock code manually.
Popo shows up, double-click, done. Presumably with all the face tracking and recognition stuff they added today, they could extend that to a certain expression - stick your tongue out, phone locks down.
/s you forgot because over face unlock I didn't see any innovation there!
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This is stupid, what happens if the face detection does not work? What happens if you get injured or even a new haircut? What if you have a dark complexion or get a tan? This is the smarted form of stupid yet from Apple, a company more and more out of touch with its customers.
This was all addressed in the presentation. It still works if you change your look, because that's not the data points the sensors are looking at.
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The Police don't have your unlock code. They simply aim it at your face.
Again, addressed in the presentation. If they point it at your face, don't look at the screen and it won't unlock.
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I have seen the Samsung edge to edge technology, and it is truly edge to edge. I just saw the iPhone X, and there is a definite bezel. It is a wrapping around piece of glass, but there is black between the screen and the side of the glass, so not a true edge to edge, even though they are using a Samsung display.
Microsoft, Apple, Google, Amazon what's the difference? All steal money from devs and control with walled gardens.
Both the iPhone and you after you buy it.
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another glass back that will look ridiculous in rubber armor.
According to the demonstration, it accounts for variations in your face over time. If you have plastic surgery you'll probably need to re-train the recognizer.
IF IT were a checksum, a cut on your face would essentially lock you out via FaceID. That's the whole idea of a checksum. What's more likely is that there is a tolerance margin
Will unlocking a phone require that photos are uploaded to Apple cloud, or is it something that will stay on the phone only? Just curious - I don't plan on buying an iPhone X and will probably move back to Android after my sole Apple purchase, an iPhone 6s, dies.
The camera area in the top part of the phone is ugly. It is unlike Apple to produce something that is so visually unappealing.
I'm at work so I didn't get to see the presentation. Did they address anything wrt someone unlocking your iPhoneX with a photograph of your face? You know, like the one most people have in their phones for a contact icon/image.
No wireless. Less space than a Nomad. Lame.
I guess the Sh..t Animonji (which was so ably demostrated during the presentation) sums up well where Apple products are heading...
The late Steve Jobs must be turning i his grave...
One quetion, do the new iPhones support HD Audio?
The world has switched to Android largely because it's cheap. There are certainly Samsung $600+ phone fanboys, but the vast majority of Android phones are cheap.
(Count me in that camp - $600+ for a phone is not my kind of toy.)
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It has 3 buttons.
No buy
You mean Apple leaks iPhone X, right?
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Here's hoping the face scanning technology becomes user accessible as a general-purpose 3D scanner.
All biometric systems are fuzzy. So fuzzy that the idea that they're secure is laughable.
Spending $1,000 on one isn't going to be much more fun than spending $300 on one.
This was overshadowed by the FaceID news: an interesting addition are specific lighting options for portrait photos. Curious how well it will work in real life.
It has to have built-in tolerances because of minority groups.
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Grand Theft iPhone... Call of Duty V, Subtitled, "I didn't get the Army College Fund OR GI Bill; I opted instead for the Army to buy me an iPhone, and am paying for it with 4, 5, or 6 years of my life*," and other titles like NFL 2017, with the tagline, "So Real, You'll Get a Concussion Just Like Our Real Players..."
Etc.
(*Depending on whether I wanted 64, 256, or 512GB of storage.)
Copy & paste has been in iOS since 3.0 which was back in 2009. But don't let reality ruin your out-of-date rant.
If you reply, do so only to what I explicitly wrote. If I didn't write it, don't assume or infer it.
WORKING face recognition (defined as actually secure, works reliably, and is not fooled by a picture) we have not seen on a phone yet.
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The iPhone 8 is starting at $700, whereas the previous iPhone 7 (and most previous generations) started at $649. I guess increasing the base storage to 64 gigabytes hurt the profit margins too much?
At least they dropped the price on the iPhone 7 by $100. I half expected for them to keep selling at the same price.
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Nothing about the iPhone X impresses me enough to spend the extra cash on it. I'll take a regular old iPhone and pocket the cash.
of course it takes a photo.
No, there is no photo involved.
It captures 30k depth points and stores that. There's no color involved at all.
It does not store it off the phone and not in a way anyone can access the data.
It's more like storing a hash of a 3D model.
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With all these edge to edge displays, I hope they have technology that can prevent my phone from doing totally unpredictable things when I pick it up. Is that too much to ask for? This is a problem with my regular bezel edge phone, can't imagine what it will be like with an edge to edge phone.
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Maybe he meant usable copy and paste. I do QA on mobile devices for a living, so I use copy and paste dozens of times a day. Because Jobs hated the idea of it on a mobile device, he at first disallowed it completely. He even fired people that argued for the feature. He finally backed off a little and only allowed it if they made it a pain to use so that the vast majority of people would never use it. That is why it is so terrible. Jobs made the decision to make it terrible.
Also, I've managed a lot of focus groups to test our apps, and very few people know how to do it. A huge portion (SWAG: about 80% for people over fifty) can't do it even with someone talking them through it. Jobs won. Copy/paste on iPhones is dead.
Look, I don't care about the dumb Watch, I'm not buying the 8 or the X, they're too big and clunky and the X is too p3rvy.
I'll buy the Apple iPhone 9 when it comes out, the Asian version that is smaller with the guts of the 8 but has no FaceP3rv tech.
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I don't want and edge-to-edge screen; I'd rather have a physical home button.
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Define "usable" copy and paste. I can do it perfectly fine on iOS and OS X. And Android. And Windows. Now on iOS you can place limits on what can be copied if the data is sensitive from what I understand.
Well, there's spam egg sausage and spam, that's not got much spam in it.
Are you fucking kidding me right now? $1000?? For a PHONE?? One that I'm going to be forced to replace in two years?
So... $500/year... for the privilege of a phone.. with no headphone jack... and no home button... and no freedom... in a walled garden.
FUCK.. NO...
Apparently the new way of going home is to swipe up from the bottom. I like how he says it works across the system as if it's some revolutionary new idea. You know what else worked across the system,... the home button. You know what isn't intuitive, and what I realise is definitely not a better replacement for a universal and tactile button,... a frigging gesture.
The world has switched to Android largely because it's cheap.
Sorry to derail your thought, but those >$600 Samsung phones are the best selling Android devices on the market by a significant margin followed quite closely by flagship phones from other companies. Hell even special purpose devices like phablets outsell the cheap Android devices in any market with money (i.e. the west, and the richer east).
"... by swiping up from the button instead of hitting the button."
You misquoted The Verge: swipe up from the **bottom** instead of hitting the button; **there is no button**.
Serious question: why is this considered a "good thing"? Other portable things that require durability aren't made of glass.
I see lots of people bitching about edge-to-edge or that OLED is old. The big thing is the hardware built for neural net. They dumped the old GPU to build one that can be used for DNN, image recognition, ARKit and MLKit. I hope they open up the neural engine in future releases of iOS. Think about all the uses. If you train a neural net to recognize foods, you could simply take a picture of your meal and record your calorie intake. You could take a picture of something and quickly search for it. The potential is huge.
Sorry, it's the patented Jobs Reality Distortion Field. (TM)
I've never heard anyone trying to make sound swipe-to-unlock so magic and profound before.
He didn't say copy. He said cut. Cut and paste.
If that 3D dot projector is available to apps that would be amazing. Your phone could scan and generate 3D models of objects. A mini LIDAR in some ways.
This is stupid, what happens if the face detection does not work?
This was covered in the demo. You pick up your other iPhone that is configured for a passcode only. ;-)
Is that really display surface with a bite out of it on the X? What are you supposed to do with the two little devil-horns at the top? Ads I guess. Yeah, nevermind. Devil-horn advertising will be the hot new trend.
For all intensive purposes, "whom" is no longer a word. That begs the question, "who cares"?
They are popular single models, but they do not outsell cheap handsets by unit volume. Average selling price of a Samsung (a premium brand) phone was $227 last year.
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Man what are they thinking, fuck that facial recognition business, just nope, nope nope.
The headphone jack is on what? 15? 20 billion devices across the planet, but Apple still going to be Apple.
The only surprising thing is Qi charging, presumably they're using the industry standard and therefore you don't need an Apple mat to charge, any Qi dock would do ?
None of what theycall "Features" are really "features" Super Retina...unless you have super vision, you won't notice it No home "button"...other manufacturers ditched that long ago, not "new" The "build"...every smartphone is a rectangular slab of metal, plastic and glass. Face ID...can't wait for that to be SLOW, and HACKED Animogi...LMAO Camera...meet the NEW boss, same as the OLD boss Portrait mode...YEAH!!! more selfies!!! LOL A11 chipset....WOW! BENCHMARK dreamers!!! Nothing like having a 700HP engine, and you are stuck going 30mph Battery Life...LOL, battery savers make it seem like you get longer battery life. Good luck with the OLED sucking it up Wireless Charging...nothing like being LATE to the party, and, NOT even having YOUR OWN CHARGER stand ready. So, to sum it up, the "iconic" new iphone, is nothing more than last years model, with racing stripes, and a HIGHER price.
The biggest problem I see is having to press on the same exact spot twice to get the selection thing to display. It's really hard for me to do with the Plus sized phone and with my pretty poor up close vision.
`After decades of stagnant innovation, Microsoft decided that 10 was the number that came after 8. Apple how obvious this great innovation was -- now with the iPhone X, they finally have!
Getting rid of 9 is such a greeat idea -- why doesn't every company try it?!
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It's amazing, the huge variety of smartphones Samsung sells under the Galaxy brand. You can get $30 tracphone Samsung Galaxys (if you're foolish enough to) in a Walgreens.
> If they point it at your face, don't look at the screen and it won't unlock.
Courts have ruled that they can force you to fingerprint unlock, so assuredly they will rule themselves this power too. Also, you can bet that someone will write a python script that turns your face into some face that unlocks the phone (adds eyes, whatever), and then charge like 5k / unlock use.
The Apple iPhoneX gives US citizens the feel of being an Indian citizen in Mumbai by longing to buy a "smartphone" that costs 1/2 their annual salary and does less than 99% of what a laptop can do for $200!
Hahahahaha
And all I want is one with decent "phablet" specs in an under 5" form factor :)
Actually, I'd be perfectly happy with the one they sell as the Galaxy A in Europe, but it doesn't have all of the US frequencies.
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Be careful with this kind of insightful post. Not always welcome here.
And even Windows phone had drag and drop. As a matter of fact, I used it just the other day to drop it in the trash.
and no part of it is operating "all the time".
Are you worried you'll get booted from the "I hate Apple" club if you admit you don't care about the headphone jack?
"Set your Apple Face ID to your comeface, so that if someone mugs you for your phone they at least have to wank you off first" - Frankie Boyle.
Selecting a specific block of text in iOS is impossible. Either you select a single word, or the entire page. There's no middle ground. This makes doing what should be simple tasks in iOS absolutely impossible: you can't copy a URL and paste it in a browser, because you'll just select a single "word" from the URL and some parts of it can't be copied as punctuation. You can't copy a phone number: each individual group of numbers must be copied individually and you can't paste them in part-by-part to the dialer because the dialer resets every time you do. You can't copy and paste street addresses, because you can only select word by word and - again - attempting to paste in the next word instead overwrites with just that word.
Copy and paste in iOS is so horribly broken it might as well not exist.
That $227 figure that is quoted quite often has one very big driver that I already mentioned: emerging low cost markets. The average price of a Samsung phone in the USA, Europe, Korea, or Japan is no where near $227, and very much close to the premium mark. Those $227 are driven primarily by the expansion into India.
Be careful with this kind of insightful post. Not always welcome here.
Yep. Quoting a world wide average, ignoring why that average is how it is, in reply to a post specifically addressing that the world wide average is not a suitable indicator of how we buy phones in the west is not welcome here. None the less someone will find it insightful.
Seriously. The iPhoneX sounds a lot like my Samsung phone.
I'm not anti-Apple, I use a Macbook Pro, but Apple seems to have nothing these days that Samsung hasn't done already. It's like Apple is just rebranding Samsung phones and selling at a higher price.
I don't buy it. Googling around I can see even Europe has an average phone selling price of $259, and that includes iPhones. The only anomaly is North America - and it is notable that in North America iPhones have around 30% of the market - a share that continues to grow. So the only market which might support your claim is the same one where Android is losing marketshare.
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Er? When I use an iPhone to cut and paste on a word, I touch the word and iOS selects it all automatically. Also you can select a URL easily. Again I click once in the address in the bar and the whole URL is selected. Have you actually used an iPhone recently?
Well, there's spam egg sausage and spam, that's not got much spam in it.
This. Although there are some biometric systems that aren't terribly fuzzy, they also aren't touchless and can't be done in a device the size of a smartphone.
I use Android phones because they meet my needs much better than the others.
In my opinion, Android's cut-and-paste is pretty bad. The best I can say for it is it's "usable", but it's a pain to use and very limited.
I'm wondering what the margins on change would be. For example an changes due to injuries, minor/major facial surgery, swelling from allergies, etc.
Well, there's spam egg sausage and spam, that's not got much spam in it.
Yeah, so you are one of the fanboys I spoke about. But the trend is undeniable - Android phones sell for ~$200 on average and iPhones go for ~$600 on average. My current phone was effectively free. If I had unlimited funds, I might buy a high-end Android or an iPhone. I haven't spent much time deliberating because they are both way out of my price range.
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I'm constantly amazed by Apple's ability to release features being used by Android for years and people's ability to think it's the"next big thing." When will the fanboys realize they're blissfully ignorant to getting ripped off?
You have to be smarter than the machine you're working with.
By losing market share you mean bouncing around like a two dollar hooker but hey in 2016 it jumped slightly in favour of Apple so it's a trend?
I just Googled around too. Figures all over the place. I found the article you quoted and to consider North America the anomaly when you look at the living conditions and general wealth is just silly. The only anomaly there is Europe which seems to have had a massive shift from 2013 to 2017. Now nothing significant financially has happened in Europe in that period has it.
You're good at cherry picking, but your data doesn't back up your conclusion that people pick Android for low cost as wealthy countries still buy high cost Android devices. Also the USA is far from the largest iPhone market share.
I'm not really a fanboy. A fanboy has an emotional attachment to whatever they're a fan of. I don't have an emotional attachment to Android.
Sorry, I didn't mean to make it a derogatory term. Android meets my needs because I'm a cheapskate. You prefer Android for its other merits, and that's cool. Some people buy them because they have a deep antipathy towards Apple, and that's fine too. But I think there are more of me than there are of you. I find it hard to believe that the correlation between ASP and unit shipments is coincidental.
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This is fucking hilarious. What are the leading complaints about new phones that generally make them so inferior to old phones? Lack of removable battery, and lack of buttons. So what does Apple do? Make their new phone suck as much as the newer Android phones that everyone is already complaining about, for how much they suck more than the old ones.
But at least taking the button away makes it cheaper! ;-)
I fucking swear, it's like every phone manufacturer is trying to lose. All it would take is one company to decide "hey, let's make phones that people will like instead of constantly complain about" and they could dominate the market.
Apple's phones are shit and Samsung's are now shit (after leading the pack for years). Who wants to not be shit? They are giving you the market on a platter, tripping over each other to be technological laughingstocks.
You're not looking at it right. It's not just $1000 for a phone. It's $1000 for a crappy phone that nobody would have tolerated 4 years ago in a $400 phone. That's something special.
This product has got to be a social experiment. You damn well know that some vice president at Apple is also in a psychology class and this is his class project.
Actually, it's moving backwards in a life-critical way. You can safely unlock your iPhone while driving and then tell Siri to do stuff without looking at the screen. With this, to unlock it, you have to look at the screen. So unless Apple convinces people to let Siri always listen (creepy), this is likely to cause a lot of additional traffic accidents that otherwise would not have occurred. They really should have put a touch sensor on the back.
CarPlay is quite good at allowing reasonable access without looking at your screen. My recent car has it - it's quite useful.
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$1,000 for a phone? LOL! ROTFLMFAO! PT Barnum was right.
Give me a break. The OP was worthless troll and the reply was simple and reasonable. You can assemble all the hay you like about individual models and what country uses what. Can't believe you took the time to write that.
"Because of its edge-to-edge display, the iPhone has no place for a conventional home button" Oh really.. Android has managed to do it for years now. Buttons do not have to be physical. The servants of Apple will lap up anything.
Actually, he's somewhat correct. There are definitely times where iOS refuses to allow word-level selection. This isn't the standard behavior for text selection but does seem pretty common when using Safari. The interaction might start off as word-level selection but then for some reason the phone will decide you actually wanted to select paragraphs and once it's "switched to that mode" it won't change back. I assume this has something to do with the way that the HTML is formatted but from a user perspective it's just stupid.
iOS also has issues with allowing you to select words or characters when a large block is already selected. It's technically possible, but can be frustratingly difficult to achieve in practice.
Can't believe you took the time to write that.
You should look up troll in the dictionary.
Can't believe you took the time to write that.
and then look up irony.
Cool, so nothing useful to say? Your breathless intervention to rescue the legitimacy of the OP was totally worth it right? Do i need to point out that post has been modded 'troll'?