Domain: takeourword.com
Stories and comments across the archive that link to takeourword.com.
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Re:Three quarks for Muster Mark!
Four quarks screw up Murray Gell-Mann’s perfect “allusion”.
Comic Sans screws up Murray Gell-Mann's perfect allusion. My eyes!
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Three quarks for Muster Mark!
"Three quarks for Muster Mark!
Sure he hasn't got much of a bark
And sure any he has it's all beside the mark."
-- James Joyce, Finnegans Wake
Four quarks screw up Murray Gell-Mann’s perfect “allusion”. -
Re:Sabotage by a unionized employee?
what: `walk noisily in clogs.' http://www.takeourword.com/et_q-s.html#sabotage
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Re:Height maps
Not quite... wrought is the past tense of work. When used in "wrought havoc" it does form a correct phrase, though the meaning is slightly different from "wreaked havoc".
I'll spare you the full details, there's a good writeup at http://www.takeourword.com/Issue048.html /My language beats your language -
Re:I believe...Actually, not everyone believes that either. The bottom part of the page is the relevant part:
Even when it is acknowledged that the correct form is wet your whistle, odd stories about the origin of the phrase continue. The ever-popular one is that mugs or tankards formerly had whistles baked or built into them, so that pub patrons could whistle to the bartender when they were ready for a refill. Apart from some modern creations, no such mug or tankard has ever been found, nor has any historical reference to such things. So, folks, the phrase is a pretty easy one to explain: to wet your whistle is to moisten your whistling organs by having a drink.
Not sure about how reliable this post is, but it's interesting. -
Re:I believe...
I thought it was "whet" as well but deferred to this site:
http://www.takeourword.com/TOW114/page4.html
for the final answer. I also prefered "whet" as in "stimulate" (always a good thing) but went with "wet" since it seemed to come first in the days of olde. At any rate, I spent more time looking up that than anything else pertaining to the submission 'cause I know you guys are all about the details. ;-)
Now, I will go wet my whetstone and whistle while I do it. -
Re:From the article... WTF?
Don't know if it applies but found this on http://www.takeourword.com/Issue023.html:
There is an Old English word which was created by taking corn and adding the diminutive suffix -el. Cyrnel thus meant a "little grain" and persists in Modern English as kernel. -
Re:Literally, intensive, completely
You misspelled "all intensive purposes".
No, I did not. Unfortunately, I can't tell if you were trying to be funny or not. This entry on Dictionary.com shows that "for all intents and purposes" and "to all intents and purposes" are accepted idioms in the English language. If your "correction" was in fact an attempt at humor, my apologies. If you were actually trying to correct me, then you are sadly mistaken, and I would invite you to take Mark Twain's advice: "It is better to keep your mouth shut and appear stupid than to open it and remove all doubt."
For more on the topic of this badly mangled turn of phrase, see here and here. There's an amusing take here as well.
Back on topic: Yes, it is possible to create a general purpose computing device that is completely silent. If, however, you want something that uses today's mass storage technologies, you'll never get something perfectly silent. Optical drives and hard disks both generate a fair bit of noise. In the absence of fan noise, these sounds are easy to distinguish. -
Re:And You Guys Thought Working The Help Desk Suck
Yeah. I know that -- p/q and all that. Didn't mean to imply that the numbers were irrational in the other sense of the word. Honestly, I don't know if that's true or not. I do know we're talking about the same latin root, ratio. The derivatives mean "to think" or more recently "to calculate" -- so it might be close enough for government work. For a nice history of the term, try this site Also try this site.
Marketing in RSS? Heavens To Betsy! -
Re:Dammit, they misspelled jerry-riggingI guess we can all find examples and explanations for the origins of words.
Check this one out: jury-rig stems from the nautical sense of jury meaning makeshift originally used for jury-mast.
Apparently the term originates in the 17th century, which rather predates the jerries in the second world war (and even in the first world war).A second reference mentions this here (you have to scroll down a bit)
You might be correct in saying that jerryrigging originated in the world war, but jury-rigging is the original (and more inoffensive) term - hence answers.com is correct. -
Re:Not with the Free Trade Agreement They/We Can't
This Aussi-Gringo...
Umm...you do realize that, by virtue of the fact that the Aussies are not of a Spanish-speaking country, they are, by definition, gringos as well, right? Here, read about how it generally refers to Europeans (of whom many Australians are descended), but can actually refer to any foreigner; after all, it is derived from "griego", the Spanish word for "Greek". -
Re:Damn, I can't run it...
Napery is an old French word for household linen. Nappy and Napkin are derivatives. "Nap", by itself, refers to the lie of threads in cloth. It turns out, however, that diaper is the older word (scroll down a bit).
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Re:I can do all this now
Well, I hate to shoot myself down, but I found pretty conclusive evidence that "in the sticks" is the correct phrase and "in the Styx" is the abberation.
You may begin making fun of me now.
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Re:And while were at it
Fun fact for the day - this is not outside the realm of possibility as an English name of yore. There are records of both "cunt" and "fuck" used in names. In fact both words are quite old in English, and were used when names were more descriptive - I've read of people on the village roll with surnames such as "Wydecunte" and "Fucksalot" at least back to the 16th century.
I'm not certain of the age of "-fest" to make a gerund, though - that's probably pretty recent.
You've got to admit it'd be pretty cool if the 'F' in CF from Renfrew really did stand for something beginning with Fuck.
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Take Our Word For It !
Another good site for the logophile is Take Our Word For It, the weekly word-orgin webzine.
This week the spotlight is on plural diseases. Ooh! Mumps, Measles, Hives, Shingles. Why are they all plural. That and more fun.
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Hopefully not!From takeourword.com:
Usually, the prefix dis- implies a loss of something, as in disease, disgust and disgrace. Very occasionally, as here, it means "entirely" or "very". So disgruntled means something like "extremely gruntled ". So, what does gruntle mean? It is a variant of the word grunt with the obsolete meaning of "grumble". The word appeared sometime around 1680 but was originally a transitive verb meaning "to give [someone] extreme cause to grumble". Incidentally, a word formed by lengthening another (like gruntle from grunt) is called a frequentative form of the earlier word.
This "gruntled = happy" extrapolation is specious, but if it really starts to become widespread, then "gruntled" really will mean "happy". Just like the word "irregardless" is on the brink of official acceptance (god help us).
I think both of those sound very, very stupid-- but what are you gonna do? -
Re:Sometimes email forwards are bad sources
bashing e-mail forwards though . . . that stuff is practically "spam your friends"
Well, not just email forwards, but also personal websites that use information from places like email forwards, which adds (undeserved) credibility to the myth. It all seems to creep throughout the Internet, making it hard to discern. I didn't check this to see, but it's possible that more sites give the false "dead ringer" explanation than the real one.
Anyway, I don't know if you even care about etymologies, but if you are, I think the most interesting site out there concerning word origins is Take Our World (which I linked to before). I think they are pretty accurate too. -
Re:Sometimes email forwards are bad sources
please see this post [slashdot.org] which managed to be informative without trying to bash someone elses post
Sorry if you decided to take it personally, but I was bashing the email forwarding and other Internet-related means that have caused false etymologies to become widespread.
if someone actually finds something credible that says the wake never had anything to do with seeing if the presumed dead person would wake up (the other post actually DID say that this was part of the wake), i would be very interested!
There is a difference between having something to do with the word, and actually being the place where the word/phrase came from.
Here is another source talking about "wake":
"Also, maybe not all of the people they were burying were dead. So they would lay them out on the kitchen table for a couple of days, the family would gather around and eat and drink and wait and see if they would wake up. That's where the custom of holding a 'wake' came from.
Afraid not. The noun wake comes from the exact same source as the verb. Night-long vigils known as wakes have been a religious observance since Anglo-Saxon days. It is related to watch."
My point was that "wake" is comes from people having a vigil for the dead, and not from seeing if the dead person "waking up" (even if some might have done that at one time).
Again, don't take it so personally. Yes, I was bashing, but not you, and I thought that was clear in my original post. You yourself said you didn't even believe the "dead ringer" one. -
Sometimes email forwards are bad sources
a long time ago there actually was a problem with burying people who weren't dead but seemed to be dead. thus somebody came up with what is still called "the wake," where everyone sits around to see if the person they're going to bury wakes up.
No, that's not where it comes from.
From The American Heritage Dictionary:
"ETYMOLOGY: Middle English wakien, waken, from Old English wacan, to wake up and wacian, to be awake, keep watch; see weg- in Appendix I."
The word "wake" is just related to the word "watch" and has to do with a vigil and essentially doing the same kind of thing we do nowadays at a wake.
the phrase "dead ringer" has a similar origin: they'd set up a bell above ground and tie a string or something to it when they buried someone, who could ring the bell and alert everyone that they would like to be dug up as they weren't dead . .
Oh, I see! So that's why a "dead ringer" is someone who looks just like someone else!... er huh? .
From takeourword.com (as well as other places that aren't email forwarded urban legends):
"The term dead ringer is one of the terms which means 'lookalike'. It dates in writing from about 1891 and arose from ringer 'a horse entered fraudulently in a race'. It is thought that ringer came from the British expression ring in 'to substitute or exchange fraudulently' (1812). Some believe that ring in is related to ring the changes 'to substitute counterfeit money in various ways', a pun on ring the changes 'go through all the variations in ringing a peal of bells.' The dead in dead ringer is probably the same as that in dead heat or dead on, i.e., it means 'exact'."
I feel like the Internet has really caused word etymology urban legends to flourish in the past few years. -
Re:English isn't that hard.
So get off your high horse, it makes *perfect* sense to talk about this being "very unique".
You are simply wrong and here's the evidence to prove it:
Common Errors in English Usage
Some Common Grammar and Usage Mistakes in Undergraduate Philosophy Papers
Bowdoin College -- A Style Guide
The Dirty Dozen
Additional Writing Hints (first entry)
Unique and Other Absolute Modifiers
See Curmudgeon's Corner...our soapbox where we vent our spleen regarding abuses of the English language.
I am a published writer and experienced editor, so you can stop making a fool of yourself and let this drop. Or you can amuse me further by trying to come up with some explanation of why you believe that you are right. -
Words.. Words.. Words... Words...How words evolved and fall into and out of usage can actually be pretty interesting. Pointing out where a word came from originally is generally a bad way to back up an argument for/against it's use.
For example, saying something is 'gay', meaning stupid, a lot of people will say is utterly wrong because it comes from homophobic people using it. It's not wrong because it was used by homophobic people and has since come into common slang for 'stupid' or 'silly' and is completly unrelated to homosexuals.. Of course, you still shouldn't use it simply because it offends some people.
A more interesting example is the word 'black' vs. 'negro'. Black was originally an offensive term used for Africans. In order to be polite people started using 'negro' and 'nigger'. Of course, ironically, the term negro became impolite (well, downright offensive, really) and so 'black' came back into style. (And of course 'African-American' for those PC types).
It just goes to show. A word only means what the majority of people think it means...