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Who Really Invented The Telegraph?
Fat Boy unslim writes "It's been 250 years since the publication of a paper describing the theory behind sending messages down a wire using electricity. Unfortunately, no one knows who wrote it." If you thought the answer was as simple as "Morse," this article may come as a surprise.
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Hedy Lamarr.
it was some punk kid publishing means to bring an end to the world, to them, an early violator of dmca, and should have his/her life destroyed
Jesus saves souls and redeems them for valuable cash prizes
(Yes, this is a whore of a post.)
Al Gore first wrote about this. It was a precursor to his "Internet" paper he wrote years later.
Trolling is a art,
How long before this site is slash-dot-dot-dot-dash-dot-dash-dotted?
I wrote it! The ever-living, never-aging, original Anonymous Coward!!
I thought everyone knew it was Charles Moore.
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and thanks for finding that. you all own me 1 penny per sine wave ever sent down a wire, however I will generously give you the amplitude under a GPL liscense.
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10 bucks says that "C" in the "CM" initials was really a "G" and stood for Guglielmo Marconi.
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Someone work in a Microsoft slam, too. I need my fix.
His great great Grandfather invented the telegraph!
ground-breaking paper was simply signed with the initials "CM, Renfrew"
CM obviously stands for CowboyMeal, which is CowboyNeal's pen name.
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I read this book shortly after it came out in paperback, and I have to say that it's fascinating. It discusses various early telegraph systems in detail, including those not using electricity at al. More importantly, it draws startling parallels between the telegraph's influence on 19th century society and the Internet's influence today, especially during the dotcom boom. This is a must-read for the true geek.
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Disputes between would-be-inventors of obvious things? Who would've expected that?
How small a thought it takes to fill a whole life
EXACTLY 250 years ago today, a Scottish inventor penned a theory that led to the electric telegraph and the mobile phone.
I have a neighbor that looks about that age, maybe it was him.
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Wow...Configuration Management actually accomplished something! :)
Morse certainly didn't invent the first electrical telegraph; he just invented the most practical one. Most of the previous electrical telegraphs had been either analog and highly unreliable or required multiple wires; some were even both.
The Morse telegraph required only one wire (the return went through the Earth), which was a huge cost savings in the time before cheap insulation, and yet was a binary on/off transmission with the associated reliability advantages. The original Morse code (sometimes called "railway Morse") used four symbol lengths; once the Morse telegraph spread and eventually went wireless the "international Morse code" simplified this to only two symbol lengths; this is the code which is invariably used even today.
It wasn't an American. That's becuase in today's politically correct world, NOBODY from American EVER invented anything. It was all the Europeans and New Zealenders. Yeah, that's the ticket. Bamboo Dick invented the airplane. Tesla was smarter than Edison, therefore Edison's achivements are all worthless. Blah blah.
Uh.. that's not a Soviet Russia joke, dumbass. It would be the telegraph invents Al Gore.
I'm not sure who invented it but I think I know what one of the first messages was:
Dear Sir
I am calling to help you lower your long distance calling rates
Please respond
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He said: "There is no doubt that the mobile phone and the internet are direct descendants of CM's paper." Fuck you one click shopping.
The article was next to useless. They do know who wrote the first paper about "how electricity could be applied to a wire to create a communication device", they even name the person (CM Renfrew). From that, they go on to say that because they know nothing other then how the person signed their name, they do not know who wrote the paper, and then they follow up by saying that said paper lead to the invention of the internet, and the mobile phone.
Can anyone provide more information on whether or not The Scots Magazine was widely distributed? Did the people who later moved CM Renfews ideas beyond the theoretical ever reference his work?
I suspect the question of "who invented this first" is often the wrong one to ask. It's natural to seek a simple, contained explanation for these things, but in reality almost anything that's more than trivial has a longer history to follow than just the inspiration of one person (or intelligence).
For instance just as another example, the question of who invented the toaster seems like it might have a short answer, but the truth is that this pinnacle of culinary automation is the result of thousands of years of refinement.
I certainly don't want to play down the importance of any one individual in inventing toasters or telegraphs, but that also means we can't play down all the others before them. So instead we might ask "what process was involved in creating X". The answer will probably be more interesting too.
Could I interest anyone in some toast?
CM = Charles Manson!
How ya like dat?
Pasted From: http://www.globusz.com/ebooks/Telegraph/00000011.h tm
The identity of 'C. M.,' who dated his letter from Renfrew, has not been established beyond a doubt. There is a tradition of a clever man living in Renfrew at that time, and afterwards in Paisley, who could 'licht a room wi' coal reek (smoke), and mak' lichtnin' speak and write upon the wa'.' By some he was thought to be a certain Charles Marshall, from Aberdeen; but it seems likelier that he was a Charles Morrison, of Greenock, who was trained as a surgeon, and became connected with the tobacco trade of Glasgow. In Renfrew he was regarded as a kind of wizard, and he is said to have emigrated to Virginia, where he died.
But what of the signature "CM Renfrew"? Captain Montgomery from Renfrew. Why no S for Scott? Unnecessary. Everyone from Renfrew (in those days) was a Scott. It was the ancestral home. It's so obvious, it's silly.
Edison wasn't a thief, but he certaintly wasn't a "creator." He was an "adaptor." He took other people's ideas that were half-baked and unfinished and actually made them work. The ancient Greeks created lots of stuff, but the Romans perfected many of them.
Jesus?
actually Philo Farnsworth invented the television
Really? I thought it was either an offer to refinance someone's mortgage or to tell them they'd won a trip to London.
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I'm sure Marcino picked some obscure Scottish town he'd never heard of, and picked a Scottish journal. Since he hated recognition and all. Oh, and he was born in 1874 - which was just a BIT late.
-Looking for a job as a materials chemist or multivariat
With inventions such as 16-year-old Lagavulin and 30-year-old Bowmore single malt scotch whisky to their honor, you'd think that the Scots wouldn't bother trying to take credit for such a minor thing as telecommunications.
:-)
mmmmmmmm... peat.
Was probably bought out by MicroMorse.
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most of us won't be able to afford it.
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Obviously, if the original inventor had secured his IP rights through patents early on, he would have been credited for his idea instead of being doomed to languish in obscurity.
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I thought it was a coom who ran the lines into a movie theater.
Bollocks. Hertz gets the main credit, and Marconi's use of the lodge-Muirhead coherer was what beat Tesla hollow.
Tesla had some good ideas, but a lot of very very bad ones too. Live with it.
Steve
Kinda like Bill Gates, right?
Certainly, we can't forget our history, but in this case, who invented it is irrelevant; the fact that it was invented is. The recognition of a name is, frankly, petty.
So he was a thief of Ideas, even you agree.
GOD bless America, greedy mother fuckers. no flaimbate but An accurate description I believe.
Tomorow I detinate the Nuke, and release the apachies, setup a trail for was crimes commited by america deuring vetnam, and recient wars.
you will die, so don't wory too much.
Al Gores [sic] great great great grandfather
Ah. Must have been before the invention of the apostrophe.
Remember "Bring 'em on"? *sigh
where an American (Morse) gets credit for the work of another person. Just like Christopher Columbus wasn't the first to discover the new world. In reality, the new world was discovered by a Greek from the Island of Chios.
Just more of a cunt, billy boy just buys things, old edd stole them.
Homer simpson 1 thomas Edison 0
the recliner with the toliet seat was a great idea
basic info abot edison:
During his lifetime (1847-1931), he took out 1093 patents.
Edison had only three months of formal education, because, when he was 7,
his first teacher didn't like inquisitive students, and called him
"addled", which prompted his mother to home-school him.
Edison's early career included selling candy and newspapers on a train, and
as a telegraph operator. At the age of 22, he arrived in New York, and
soon made substantial improvements on the stock ticker. He sold the
patents for a huge (at the time) $40,000, and opened his first workshop.
In 1876, he arrived in Menlo Park, NJ.
Among his inventions was the phonograph, the electric light, and
improvements in the movie camera, and the telephone. Most surprising is
that he worked on many things involving sound, despite being nearly deaf.
His original Menlo Park lab is currently in Greenfield Village, outside
Detroit (a very cool place, BTW). His final lab in West Orange, NJ, as
well as his home, is now part of the Edison National Historic Site. He did
have a son named Thomas Jr., but there was no information about him. His
son Charles, however, was elected governor of New Jersey in 1941. Finally,
he really did try to work on a machine to see if there was life after
death, but no model or plans were found in any of his labs.
SCREW FLANDERS
The way current IP laws are heading the guy would STILL have the patent on it!
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Not true.
He almost had it, except for the one all important feature. It didn't leak oil. That is what did him in, forever condemned to be shunned in British society.
The same is true for most of the "great" inventions or ideas we celebrate. It is very rare indeed that a ground breaking new idea appears out of the mainstream, and when it does, it usually doesn't catch on until the mainstream catches up with it and someone else gets the credit.
The real first message ever sent using Morse, by Charles Morse, is actually interesting by itself: "What hath God wrought?"
You are not alone. This is not normal. None of this is normal.
CM = Cunty McFuckfest.
The true relevance can be seen from this quote
because other scientists experimenting with electricity at the time could not see any use for it in communications.
In other words, this CM was the first to imagine and publish this application for electricity. It was a great leap of intuitiveness. I do not believe it was, however, the telegraph, which needed other leaps of intuitiveness.
"She's a scientist and a lesbian. She's not going to let it slide." Orphan Black
Bollocks
;)
Sandra ?
this has actually been confirmed. details are that the nigger was eating watermelon at the time he placed this call.
Didn't the Native Americans (or anyone else who used patterned smoke signals before them) invent telegrapy? Yeah, yeah, it's not the *electric* telegraph but it's almost the exact same principle...
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There are two (English|Scottish) Lords bragging about who's family was more important.
The first Lord says that while doing renovations on their family castle they found a buried copper cable 2 miles long put down in the 1500's. This, he says, proves his family invented the telegraph hundreds of years before any one else.
The second Lord says that while doing renovations on HIS castle they found NO cable. THIS proves, he says, that his family was using WIRELESS, hundreds of years before the first Lord's family was using telegraph.
Hah! Sorry, couldn't help myself. Mod me down if ya like but it's funny! :)
After seeing so many of these "who's on first" discussions break down into unresolvable claims and counter claims, usually along nationalistic lines, we start to see that many 'inventions' actually look like state of the art 'waves' involving MANY, MANY people working in varying degress of interinvolvment, and that any one particular person just bob's up and down on the wave crest - if that one person wasn't there at the right place at the right time any one of the others could have easily taken his or her place. You might as well be saying someting like "Neil Armstrong invented moon walking!" which overlooks the talents and dedicated efforts of a huge number of people over a very long time, from the ancient Chinese to Robert Goddard to Werner Von Braun and a large cast of others who helped put him there.
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If I remember right -- and no, I wasn't around back then! -- Henry invented the idea of an electromagnetic "sounder" and an interrupted circuit as a method of signalling. Morse (who was an artist by trade) invented the code that bears his name (though what we call "Morse code" today is not much like his original encoding, just as EBCDIC isn't ASCII insn't UNICODE). Originally, Morse code was a VISUAL medium -- the telegraph was supposed to output as short and long marks on a moving paper tape (which method -- Kleinschmidt?? -- was used by the military in WWII, though I forget what the details were). But the telegraph operators soon learned to decode the clicks and gaps without bothering to refill the messy, balky inking devices.
Modest doubt is called the beacon of the wise. - William Shakespeare
Following the logic of the new IP laws the guy would still be alive.
Goes to show how much brainpower that goes into creating them...
In case you didn't know, Radio Shack no longer sells morse code training tapes. You'll have to buy them from the ARRL.
Beep. Boop. Beep. You have questions. I have answers and your home address.
Please capitalize the "C" in Cunt if you are talking about Cunty McFuckfest, inventor of the telegraph.
...invented the sandwich.
Samuel Morser invented Morse Code.
Plato invented the plate.
that is all
Yeah! Next thing you know, the Brits'll say that THEY were the first ones to capture an Enigma from the Nazis, and not a team of Americans like was portrayed in U-571... oh, wait. :-)
~Philly
Honestly... who cares?
which country will be the first to invent a device to fix your broken link to tuxedo.org?
He even stole my grandad's patent for walking !
I don recall his name, but I thought a Mexican invented the television.
Interestingly, the apostrophe is a recent invention. It is not a real punctuation mark, but a printers note which has found its way into mainstream English use. It is the only punctuation mark to have absolutely no effect on pronunciation.
italian, french, swedish, spanish, chinese, japanese, indian, portugeuse, german, russian, latvian, iranian, ...
So yes, we have invented everything. Yeah baby!
Hello,This is a excite game
This game is my first work.
You're the first player.
I hope you would like it.
In the same light "who invented wireless ?"
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The most common answer would be Marconi.
This is completely incorrect.
The first wireless communication was invented by an Indian scientist named Jagadish Chandra Bose in 1899 (recognised now by IEEE). Of course he wasn't savvy enough to get patents and all and as in those times it was easy to suppress a scientific achievement from a thirld world colonial rules state. He is very respected in part of the country who studied science as a gift to mankind.
see some information here
http://www.minhas.net/culture/indianpeople/
http://www.tuc.nrao.edu/~demerson/bose/bose.
or otherwise google on "jagadish chandra bose".
As a further information he was the first scientist to discover and prove that plants have life.
A random thought that occurred to me while reading the article: If the telegraph were invented for the first time today, would it have a chance of being successful?
Naturally there would be the big patent fight, with various people and corporations suing back and forth, claiming credit for the invention. But even if that were settled, think of the resistance that there would be to the (new) idea of setting poles with wires strung between them:
Environmental groups: "Birds will be tangled in the wires.. and what about the effects of EMF on children?"
Religous groups: "God didn't mean for man to be able to communicate with other men in an instant fashion. The telegraph is an instrument of the devil!"
Rich people: "I don't want those ugly poles and wires in my neighborhood. They'll lower my property values!"
Poor people: "It's only rich people who can afford to send telegraphs, but they run all the wires through our neighborhoods. It's discrimination!"
...I resent all this talk about my ancestor not being the innovative pioneer that he was. And I resent all those royalties that...oh, wait, I've never actually received a royalty. Nevermind.
"You done taken a wrong turn."
-Bill McKinney, in Deliverance
It might not have been Morse who invented it, but I bet if we wait long enough SBC will come out saying they have a patent on it.
Afterwards, his older brother, Samuel, beat the living daylights out of him for playing with his stuff.
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The Scotsman story does contain an interesting error, claiming that the steam engine had not been invented in 1753. Truth was two Englishmen Thomas Savery and then Thomas Newcomen had built successful steam engines before 1753, which were being used to pump water out of mines.
In 1765 James Watt, a Scot, figgured out why Thomas Newcomen's steam engine didn't work well, and came up with a much better design.
Still, between telegraph and steam engine do we have a plot to claim Scotland is the source of all good things (ok, so it is often true, but...).
Columbus was a Spaniard
Columbus was Genovese! He was only working for the Spanish.
All employees must wash hands before seeking equitable relief.
Anti-American rants are of course terribly fashionable, but that's a weird example to give. Most of Gates' nonnovations were stolen from other American companies.
All employees must wash hands before seeking equitable relief.
Or could it have been Connor Mcleod of the clan Mcleod?
Here We Are STOP Born To Be Kings STOP Are Princes Of Universe FULL STOP
All employees must wash hands before seeking equitable relief.
Semaphore.
You can't take the sky from me...
Last time I checked the dictionary, "perfecting and then patenting" an idea wasn't considered theft. Not even in Europe.
Hmmm, so Edison's methods were to "embarce and extend"?
Fun fact for the day - this is not outside the realm of possibility as an English name of yore. There are records of both "cunt" and "fuck" used in names. In fact both words are quite old in English, and were used when names were more descriptive - I've read of people on the village roll with surnames such as "Wydecunte" and "Fucksalot" at least back to the 16th century.
I'm not certain of the age of "-fest" to make a gerund, though - that's probably pretty recent.
You've got to admit it'd be pretty cool if the 'F' in CF from Renfrew really did stand for something beginning with Fuck. ;)
But just like the telegraph they didn't do it as well as someone else did. The first working television was mechanical. You don't see very many of these around. In fact I would like to see just one.
Series on PBS called "Connections" explored that very topic. Can't recall the name of the narrator.
The RIAA would shut down the telegraph because there would be a possibility that songs could be encoded into Morse and sent over the wires.
"If you hear silence, thank Hillary Rosen".
In "CM, Renfrew", Renfrew isn't a place name, it's the name of CM's asistant who was taking dictation of the paper. CM is obviously the infamous Scottish vampire, Count MacCula.
One line blog. I hear that they're called Twitters now.
James Burke. He seems to working a project called KnowledgeWeb
One line blog. I hear that they're called Twitters now.
Or Russians will claim that it were them who won the WWII...
So anyone that implements an RFC is a thief? Interesting...
One percent: Inspiration.
Ninety nine percent: Perspiration.
It is easy to be a dreamer. I can think of a thousand things that never were but might be; but as long as I CAN'T MAKE IT WORK, then I have NO RIGHT TO BE CALLED THE INVENTOR. I'm just a dreamer.
Edison was a bright guy who worked really hard. Why were the other implementations "half baked"? It's because other people couldn't get them to work. That's the hallmark of Edison's dedication, and the reason why we praise him. He obviously had to come up with ORIGINAL SOLUTIONS to PREVIOUSLY UNSOLVED PROBLEMS. Therein lies the "invention" and the "genius." Also known as PERSPIRATION. By the way, I don't necessarily agree with your assertion that "He took other people's ideas that were half-baked and unfinished and actually made them work." The phonograph was a completely original idea that came about because he was fiddling around with a telegraph disc indented with Morse code. While playing around, he noticed that speeding up the rotation caused sounds . That led him to the realization that sound could be preserved by physical bumps -- an unprecedented observation and application. In other words, a completely original invention.
Back to the original article: So what if some anonymous person thought that you could tie some bells to electrified wires? If he couldn't make it work, then he didn't invent it. He could have made a simpler functioning prototype, but he DIDN'T.
The obvious attempt to "nationalize" the issue behind the paper comes across as pretty pathetic, to say the least, as if somebody is desparately grasping for cultural validation. The Scotts invented golf, which is revered the world over. Enough already.
Look at the binary language of American Revolutionary Paul Revere, as stated in Longfellow's poem: "One if by land, two if by sea." Do we count Paul Revere as the inventor of wireless communication via photons?
Take to heart the words of Indira Gandhi (former prime minister of India, who was unfortunately assassinated by her guards): "My grandfather once told me that there were two kinds of people: those who do the work and those who take the credit. He told me to try to be in the first group; there was much less competition."
So let's all shut up and get to work.
...to what? A scott invented TV to... pick up chicks? make lots of money? impress his friends? learn grammar? C'mon, help us out here.
On the World-Wide Web, there is no anonymity. Only cowardice.
Morse didn't actually invent the morse code. His was flawed and wouldn't make sence, so his partner changed it. Naturally Morse took credit for it, and his partner was forgotten.
leprkan...
When time travel is implemented 110 years from now, scientists will be forced to seed history with instruction documents on how to make the items that lead to the creation of the time machines. This will lead to certain inventions being "discovered" at certain points in history, to prevent collapse of causation paradoxes from mucking about with their past. What better way to guarantee the development of electronic communication than to drop an anonymous how-to letter 60 years prior?
...
Historical research in 2090 will show that this solution was revealed by the news site Slashdot (the source that told them when in the past the document must be placed), so they decided to label the paper after the site's high prophet, Coyboy Neal. Unfortunately, science had still not solved the fat-finger-effect, thus history will only know the creator as C. M.
if only i had whored more karma, i'd have mod points. parent's funnier than merely "2".
stupid younger brothers....
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Why this, and not MAKE*MONEY*FAST, or "Increase the Size of your Penis!!!", or "Radio Controlled Matchbox Cars!!!" or a personal email from Mariam Abacha begging you to let her give you $85 million United States Dollars, or...?
Catherine
Oh please, with that bad english he can't be from europe... errh, wait, maybe france..
-H
And I have a frightening feeling that "Charles Morse" was some combination of Samuel and Moore, the latter being the inventor of FORTH.
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You are not alone. This is not normal. None of this is normal.
You mean it wasn't Al Gore!?
-Jason
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(Change "di" to "." and "da" to "-" before decoding it here. Sorry - it was the only way to get this post past
"Prepare for the worst - hope for the best."
...my first thought was that CM was a woman. Ada Lovelace not withstanding, female intellectuals had a hard time being taken seriously until just recently (perhaps up to the 1940s.) I don't know if that was more or less the case in ascestral Scotland, but it was not uncommon for women and girls to publish their writings anonymously or pseudonymously, thus to remain utterly unknown even if their ideas did go on to have lives of their own.
Of course, nobody knows either way regarding CM and likely never will know. But it is worth pausing for a moment and reflecting on not only the random nature of fame and recognition, but also how many great discoveries we certainly have lost over the centuries because someone was not allowed to write, or speak or even to dream.
I don't know if things have changed much even now, but it has always been my greatest hope that the ubiquitous Internet would serve to unlock some of that untapped and otherwise lost human potential. IP laws, software patents, and the thugs seeking to control the flow of information aside, there are surely a lot of new voices out there to be heard, and new ideas they can share with us to help take us to the next great era of discovery and global progress. In the shadow of looming wars and unrest, AIDS and WMDs, and all the other noise of our discontent it is comforting to think that this might indeed be so.
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... in a proper fashion. :)
Red Dwarf... the "Holly Hop" episode, I believe.
I feel oddly sad that I recognized it so fast.
Read the article. The original design consisted of 26 parallel wires, 1 for each letter of the alphabet. No room for punctuation. That came later with mysterious theoretical paper v2.0, presumably written by CM++.
for all the lusers with cell-phones stuck to their heads is a bit of a stretch too.
Hahaha, who are you, another European "intellectual", or maybe a dissatisifed Islamic extremist? Do you have a flimsy mind easily molded by left-wing propagandists?
I guess it's too bad that Americans led the recent war in Afghanistan, and with the help of their allies, managed to topple the Taliban and enable girls to go to school, men to shave their beards away, and reenable the freedom of speech. Children can EVEN FLY KITES in this new age. No thanks to people like YOU.
I guess it's too bad that that Americans stopped the march of Hitler through the rest of the western world, and liberated France from the clenches of the Nazi fist. Too bad that the American soldiers would fly down on Normandy, risking life and limb. Too bad that American soldiers would liberate the survivors of the Nazi concentration camps.
I guess it's too bad that Americans dropped the nuclear bomb on Japan to end the Second World War because Hirohito refused to do so on his own volition, thus helping to free China from Japan's grasp. Too bad that the Americans then rebuilt Japan into the economic powerhouse that it is today, with the help of people like Edward Deming. Too bad that the Americans prevented the Emporor Hirohito from regaining his thronne, and too bad that this resulted in the modernizing of the Japanese government. Too bad that America would spend billions of dollars rebuilding Europe after that war. Too bad that America held on to one side of Berlin, while Soviet Russia held on to the other; I don't seem to remember that Berliners braved the barbed wire trying to get ITNO the COMMUNIST side.
Too bad that America tried to stop the suffering of the Albanian Muslims entrapped in the genocide of Yugoslavia by bombing out Milosovic. The Nato bombing gave lefties an excuse to denounce Americans as "Imperialists." Can you show me evidence of "Yankee Imperialism" in Yugoslavia today? And what, pray tell, have been the negative effects?
And I guess its too bad that America was trying to help its allies in Viet Nam, which WAS A FRENCH COLONY. America was trying to assist FRANCE, something which current leftist French seem to forget.
By the way, the governments of Germany and France unfortunately have chosen not to commit troops. Guess what? Gerhard Schroeder and his Social Democrats just got a punch in the face in the recent state elections. Not all of the German people agree with him.
In the end, the United States will change Iraq. It will democratize it, one way or the other. If Saddam Hussein wants to abdicate his throne peacefully, there will be no war. If Saddam Hussein wants to wage war, it will be folly, because most of the Iraqi people are not in a mood to fight and defend him. They WANT change.
And when Iraq is a democracy, where will you be? Cursing the Americans? It is futile. Give it up. Cast away the lies that have mislead you. Focus your energy elsewhere.
And make the world a better place.
I stumbled accross this book on Project Gutenberg: Heroes of the Telegraph by John Munro. It's a fascinating account of the various inventions that led up to the telegraph. Oddly enough, the book was written when the telephone and phonograph were pretty new, so the author's speculations as to the future of these devices is interesting.
"No matter where you go, there you probably are." -- Buckaroo Heisenberg
The site is holdng up well.
In case that changes the next few minutes, here is the text:
Search for mystery pioneer Scot
ALASTAIR DALTON SCIENCE CORRESPONDENT
EXACTLY 250 years ago today, a Scottish inventor penned a theory that led to the electric telegraph and the mobile phone. The problem is, the scientist's identity has never been established.
Now, a St Andrews University academic has launched a search for the mystery genius, whose ground-breaking paper was simply signed with the initials "CM, Renfrew" when it was published in The Scots Magazine in 1753.
Professor Colin Vincent, the university's deputy principal, said the largely-forgotten article provided the impetus for a technical leap as important as the invention of the transistor or laser.
He said: "There is no doubt that the mobile phone and the internet are direct descendants of CM's paper."
Prof Vincent said the article had described for the first time how electricity could be applied to a wire to create a communication device.
It was published more than 60 years before the invention was first demonstrated, which followed the invention of the battery.
When CM put pen to paper, Renfrew was a small village on the Clyde, the steam engine had yet to be invented and the Industrial Revolution had still to dawn.
Prof Vincent, a former head of the university's chemistry department, became fascinated with CM when he worked on the development of lithium batteries, used in mobile phones. He believes the inventor deliberately hid his - or her - identity. Previous claims about who CM was have been incorrect.
He said: "CM was clearly someone who understood the technology very well and had access to the latest developments in London. There were many 'gentlemen dabblers' around at the time, such as clergymen and schoolmasters, but we cannot even be sure CM was male."
However, despite CM's revolutionary work, which he termed "signalling at a distance by the use of electricity", he has not been linked with any other scientific research and appears to have sunk back into obscurity.
The author's imagined device, which he referred to as "an expeditious method of conveying intelligence", involved 26 parallel lengths of wire, one for each letter of the alphabet.
In the article, CM described how electric current could be applied to one wire at a time to electrify a ball at the other end. This would cause a piece of paper with the name of that letter to move, so a message could be spelled out. An alternative method, using bells of different pitch, was also proposed.
CM believed that practised operators would be able to recognise the chimes of whole words rather than having to note down each letter.
Prof Vincent said CM's idea derived from his knowledge of friction-based electrostatic generators. While static electricity had been known since 1600, the machines remained the only way of making electricity.
He added CM's achievement was all the more amazing because other scientists experimenting with electricity at the time could not see any use for it in communications.
Dr William Watson, a physician who had "forced a shock" through a wire across Westminster Bridge in London in 1747, wrote: "We are not yet so far advanced in these discoveries to render them conducive to the service of mankind."
Prof Vincent said: "It was a remarkable stroke of inventive genius that took place in the mind of the enigmatic CM. It has led over a period of 250 years to a transformation of society, in a way that could not even have been contemplated in the middle of the 18th century."
The invention of the battery by Alessandro Volta in 1800, enabling the storage of electricity, and the coming of the railways, which required faster communications, prompted a flurry of interest in CM's work.
Although the device was first attempted in France in the 1770s, its practical use was not demonstrated until Sir Francis Ronalds's experiments in London in 1816.
CM's theory was also taken up by other British scientists, such as William Cooke and Charles Wheatstone, in the 1830s, and Samuel Morse in the United States, who invented the Morse Code.
This led to the first transatlantic telegraph being laid in 1857, the telephone 40 years later, and, eventually, the mobile phone.
Prof Vincent, who was made an OBE in the New Year honours for his university work, said that he was one of the only people in Scotland to be aware of CM's key contribution to the development of communications.
He added: "The mystery of CM's identity remains, but we know with reasonable certainty that the inventive spark which led to today's internet and mobile phone networks took place in Scotland 250 years ago."
Wasn't that the name of the guy from "Carter Beats the Devil" I think that's the name, that was a book about a magician and television and stuff...? Interesting book. I'm pretty sure the kid who invented television in that buck was named Philo Farnsworth. I have no idea of the historical accuracy of that, but it was a damn fine book.
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So I post something that I thought was funny and it gets moded down to a -1 flamebait. Seems someone is a bit touchy about the subject. Meanwhile the replies are up to +2. There's no justice for a karma whore.
"Eve of Destruction", it's not just for old hippies anymore...
ha ha, ha ha, ha. that was funny, just keep in mind that Gore never claimed to have invented the Internet.
What he did invent was the industrial research lab. Rather being a solitary inventor, he had scores of assistants, and he'd flit from project to project, giving direction, and taking credit.
One line blog. I hear that they're called Twitters now.
You do know that Marconi's patents were eventually overturned in favour of Telsa?
One line blog. I hear that they're called Twitters now.
Gauss, arguably the greatest mathematician who ever lived, (well along with his collegue Weber), did. See for example:
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that so many inventions are undisputed, at least publicly, for so long then suddenly many claimants cry that they know who the TRUE inventor is? I have seen this same cycle for airplane, telescope, radio, telephone, baseball, the computer, and coincidentally for the morse code itself. I am not suggesting that they are all lying, but should I now think when something new comes out, "I wonder who really invented this?".
Morse didn't invent the telegraph. He invented the Morse Code. Anyone who ever read a child's biography of Morse knows that. To claim anyone believed otherwise is the silliest form of revisionism ever. Of course if you go "Jaywalking" you can find people who believe anything, but to be a real "revisionist historian" you ought to revise a misunderstanding a bit more widespread than this.
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Actually Baird was a poseur.
The first real TV system was assembled by the engineering dept of the BBC in a bake off that was set up essentially to shut Baird up.
They used a bunch of ideas that had been developed by others, in particular the cathode ray tube. They get the claim to invent TV because they were the first to do it over radio signals at a distance (as in Tele...)
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Ultimately, he who gets there furstest with the mostest wins. Marconi did far far more to create the radio as a viable technology than did Tesla. The fact that the US courts rules that the US scientist had primacy over the Italian scientist's US patents is hardly surprising. The US has a history of such things. Witness last weeks announcement of the American who "invented" radar bears me out.
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> The way current IP laws are heading the guy would STILL have the patent on it!
Inspired by this thread, I have applied for a patent on a one-click telegraph system.
Sheesh, evil *and* a jerk. -- Jade
It is the only punctuation mark to have absolutely no effect on pronunciation.
Not true, in some cases. I'm having trouble coming up with a non-lame example, but adding an apostrophe as a possessive to a word ending in "s" often adds an extra "es" sound to the end.
Sometimes it's best to just let stupid people be stupid.
(Edit: stupid Lameness filter made me add this edit)
(Edit: apparently I need more)
(Edit: ok slashdot, I hate you)
(Edit: thanks for taking the steam out my post)
(Edit: this really sucks)
(Edit: it is fucking morse code!!! it is not "junk" characters)
(Edit: ok, fucking taco.)
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lookup eckard fuck, he lives in basingstoke.
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It's actually CM, not CF. But everything in Scotland has to start with "Mc" or "Mac", so there you go.
First, that wasn't funny. But more importantly, why won't you respond to this thread? You've been publicly accused of being a liar. This is very, very bad for your credibility. You really ought to say something in your own defense.
Wasn't it SBC that invented this? I'm pretty sure they've got the patent. I heard they were going to start demanding licensing for anyone using communication devices using electricity.
Anyone who has knows that Nicola Tesla, not only was the first to conceptualize wireless transmission, but the first to actually accomplish his goal of sending a wireless communication. Nicola Tesla is one of those invetors who is not well known, at least by the general public. He is known to be a "mad scientist" of sorts, but his other inventions/conceptions include rotating magnetic field, which in turn led to the development of alternating current, vertical take off and landing vehicles, and many other interesting and eclectic designs that boggle the mind, and entrance the imagination. Nicola Tesla was not only an inventor, but an innovator. His designs and ideas also helped people like Thomas Edison better the light bulb, and paved the way for the technological revolution we experience each day. I just want to give more credit to this guy, it's unfortunate that the U.S. Government shut him down the way they did, but I guess all is fair in love in war, right?
He's the first person I've seen use a telegramaphone.
I vote for best of the year.
Well, perhaps he IS the mysterious CM?
I had a test on this last monday. I got the test back today and saw that I miss-bubbled Thomas Edison for who invented the telegraph. So the long and short of it is:
I want to know if this can some how be right according to this article because I don't feel like reading it...
Thanks,
AC
I think that this is an excellent example for school teachers. There's always that one student in the class who always forgets to write his name at the top of the papers. Now the teacher can hold it against him...
"Do you want to be like that guy who invented the telegraph? Hmmm? Nobody knows his name because he didn't put it on his paper either..."
It ought to work better than my moms "Eat your breakfast! Don't you know kids are starving in China?!"
If I know my Scooby Doo kids right it was none other than Red Herring.
Choosing the lesser of two evils is a choice for evil.
Nevertheless, I still found your post informative. I never knew what the first message sent was. I must have been daydreaming that day in school. :-)
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You are right he merely "took the initiative in creating the internet"
Food not Bombs is a nice platitude but it breaks down when you notice that the Bombees are usually well fed
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Yeah, well. He was still a good painter.
beginning with M, let me think........
Regarding the Radio, while many people think Marconi, most realize that Marconi just built what Tesla designed and wrote about. (more about the Indian fellow below) Everyone is a Discoverer: I discovered Canada at the age of 5 - before then neither I nor any of my associates had heard of it. And I just discovered Qanat (Cool underground Irrigation system found in Mexico and Iran). Neither I nor any one I knew of had heard of them before. To get credit as a Discoverer you need to be the first of X group. An unknown indian discovered the New world first for his tribe and their friends. Then possibly an unknown Asian for Asia, then almost certainly a Viking for the Vikings, then Definitely Columbus discovered it for the southern Europeans. As for inventions, the truth is God invented everything. But we call someone that discovers how to apply a scientific principle in a new way, the inventor of any product that 1)was impossible without that discovery 2)at the time of their "invention", only needed that discovery to be possible. Otherwise you could say that Benjamin Franklin invented all electrical devices because he made some discoveries about electricity. Inventors are just discoverers with a pracitcal bent. And Discoverers are group related. Question: If we find out that intelligent life exists on other planets and that 10,000 years ago, they "invented" radio, are we going to say that Tesla, Marconi and that indian fellow did NOT invent the Radio? No. All three, Tesla, Marconi and the Indian fellow all qualify as inventors of the Radio. They invented it for different groups of people.
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I hear about people debating over dumb things like who discovered America (It was Columbus! No, it was the Vikings! No, it was the Mongols! etc.), who invented the first computer (Eckert and Mauckley! No, it was Attenesoff! [It's been a while and I don't remember the spellings] Etc.), and who invented the telegraph. It's not really that important who invented it because someone would have invented it anyway. There is sort of a critical mass where people realize that "Hey, we need a (insert fabulous invention here)" and someone goes and invents it. Normally, people with the same idea are within a few years of each other, but sometimes its within a few months and other times its whoever can sprint to the patent office faster.