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Google by far beat Yahoo the first time, because Google has a simple interface,

While I agree with everything you said, I disagree with this:

For people just interesting in searching with Yahoo! (for whatever odd-ass reason they have...), can use http://search.yahoo.com/

The fact of the matter is, most people just don't use Yahoo! for searching, they use it for whatever other banal crap they use Yahoo! for, the search feature just makes it so they don't have to move their mouse ALL THE WAY up to the address bar and type in google.com

As for a google replacement, AllTheWeb was a nice suppliment, but never really a replacement...Teoma.com is looking better every time I use it, and I think has been mentioned here before.

Actually, I find an intersting way to rate search engines is to search for the word "cocks"

yeah, I know what your thinking.

You typically get a couple things from this search:

Porn (duh)
Chicken related things
and the band "The Revolting Cocks"

By looking at which ones come up first, you can infer some interesting and useful things about how an engine works. What those things are I will let you decide.
Mostly because it's funnier.

But seriously, folks, try it out.

Search for "slash" in Google and the results are:

1) Slashdot
2) Slash's Snakepit ...

Put the same "slash" keyword and search with Teoma:

1) Slash's Snakepit
2) Slashdot ...

Personally for this keyword search I feel Slash's Snakepit is more relevant and belongs at the top of the heap.

Thanks for clearing that one up. I did read that part of the article, but I was actually wondering where the results were coming from (whatever algorithm you use, you need to use it on a data set). Now I know.

I use Teoma a lot these days, it's very much like Google was about 6 years ago. Fresh, relevant and speedy. Plus their twist on pagerank is a pretty sweet idea that's worth a look.

After just a quick bit of playing around with Teoma (mentioned in the article), it seems to be better than Google. I was surprised ...

slurp has been inktomi's name for years preceeding google.

all the google love in this place.. sheesh, the algo has fallen apart over the past year, teoma.com, alltheweb.com and now, likely, yahoo.com, will all provide better search results.

spammers love google for pr hyping their massive index, cus it keeps their huge cloaked spam sites in there just a little longer.

Teoma is the search engine that does exactly what you are asking. It breaks the internet down into topics and subjects, and it only counts links within these subjects. For example sites about the apples farmers grow probably link to other sites of these same type of apples, whereas sites about Apple Computers probably link to each other more, and this is how Teoma can recognize each as a different subject because of its link farm. Teoma gives refinement suggestions to help you navigate through its subject related clusters, and lists pages on a subject with lots of relevant links, under its link collection.

• I want it to return more relevant searches.

Teoma

The ideal solution is for Boogle to change the design of the site so it does not like they just copied the html code straight from Google's site. If Google is trying to uses its power to control every deriative word that sounds like Google, such as Boogle, then I will start using Teoma more than I do now.

Teoma is giving a lot better results for most searches I try there compared to Google. Teoma does have some drawbacks, its database is not as big or as fresh and it does not have the extras like usenet search or a news search.

Teoma has an algorithm which is not as susceptible to link/link text spam as Google. Its results are used by Ask Jeeves but adulterated with sponsored listings and trusted feed results. AllTheWeb has a big index and a pretty good algorithm, although it's been neglected somewhat by its new owner Yahoo. I'd love to see a serious open-source effort take on Mammon, but the server farms and bandwidth required seem prohibitive.

Some claim Alltheweb is better than google, but I find its about equal.

Some other experimental engines I've seen have alot of potential, especially the ones who come up with narrowing suggestions and do accurate self-categorization. Teoma is a good example of that.

Well it was good while it lasted! My boss suggested that i start using something other than Google so i found Teoma. Seems like a nice engine.

that most search engines have a difficult time with is "Microwave dish". It's a perfectly valid search term and not especially generic. Let's assume you're searching for basic information regarding microwave antennas (the search engine doesnt know this of course) but don't know a whole lot about them.

But...

Am I talking about the dish antenna's used with microwave radiation?

Or possibly cookware that is microwave safe...

Or just recipes for food that can be cooked in a microwave.

Most engines return a combination of all the above in no decent order. Google even returns some obscure clause in some apartment's lease as its #5 hit.

Better engines organize them into categories, or offer suggestions to clarify your search. Teoma does this though I see its closest approximation to microwave antennas is "Microwave Antenna Broadband Home".

I just want to start this thread to see if other people are starting to use Teoma. I find myself using it more than Google lately.

If you use Teoma, holler, reply to this thread and let the Slashdot readers know that Google will be usurped.

AlltheWeb, Altavista, Ask Jeeves, Teoma, WebCrawler - all of them redirect the search results through their servers (and no doubt log it), but not Google (altough it did that couple of years back for a few weeks IIRC).

In adition to using non redirecting search engine one should be blocking their cookies too to get you little bit more privacy.

And BTW, MSN search doesn't redirect too, how scary is that 8o
Something wicked is going on in MSN land...

The only way I can envision using Teoma, or some other SE as my primary, would be if Google has an IPO this year (please, no!) and self-destructs because of short-sighted shareholder greed.

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It's a wonder they haven't gone after the Google copier (sort of) Teoma.

Maybe they will...?

They aren't looking for Jeeves, I can guarantee you they want another of their products... Teoma which is already the most google-like competitor out there. (besides AllTheWeb which isn't hurting)

but I have a hard time believing that they run it on the back end. In fact I just did a quick google search for teoma.com and solaris and found a corporate Ask Jeeves website listing job openings. Most of their job openings actually sound a lot more like they're doing *nix development than Windoze development. Most of the *nix types of jobs are in Piscataway, NJ, which is where the company Teoma that they bought a few years back is located. So I'm guessing that they use IIS to make their pretty front ends but they use solaris and/or linux on the back end. I doubt Microsoft would like that fact if they really are interested in buying them!

I think I should also point out that Ask Jeeves also own Teoma, which is absolutely nothing to be sneezed at.

Not only that, but Microsoft has a world-class research arm with Microsoft Research. With Microsoft Research's world-class research, and Microsoft's deep pockets, you can bet that any improvements Teoma would need to compete with Google WILL be made.

Teoma does sometimes search better than Google, and so does, surprisingly, AltaVista, if you skip the advertising crap.

I'd swtich to Teoma Search...

For example when searching for visual basic decompiler the second to fourth results are 'spam sites'.

I always report this kind of crap via the "Dissatisfied with your search results?"-link, but apparently nothing is done against this sites, which are getting more and more annoying.

Time to switch?

There actually ARE good competitors to Google. Check out Teoma for one. They've been called Googles biggest competition for quite some time now in all the search industry rags.

I have just tried Kazaa Lite on various other search engines and meta search engines, and without fail they return at least one of the forbidden 8 sites that Google removes:

Altavista

Webcrawler

Teoma

Dogpile

Obviously not a comprehensive effort (I have a 3yr old son to entertain right now and that's much more important!), but it leads to the conclusion that either the complainant thinks the world revolves around Google OR the other sites haven't checked their mail yet!

As others have pointed out, the genie is out of the bottle and so semi-hiding the links is going to be pointless. I loved the written up DMCA complaint--putting the list of banned sites on it is kind of like having an English test question that says: Write down the correct spelling of following word: 'incomprehensible'? .

In my experience, the Teoma search site's sponsor links (paid for linking) are easyr to differentiate from search results (in a different part of the page). What's more, they are almost always directly related to what I am really looking for, and sometimes exactly what I looking for...

One more crippling bombshell hit the already beleaguered Google community when IDC confirmed that Google market share has dropped yet again, now down to less than a fraction of 1 percent of all web searches. Coming on the heels of a recent Netcraft survey which plainly states that Google has lost more market share, this news serves to reinforce what we've known all along. Google is collapsing in complete disarray, as fittingly exemplified by Yahoo's failure to renew its exclusive deal with Google.

You don't need to be a Kreskin to predict Google's future. The hand writing is on the wall: Google faces a bleak future. In fact there won't be any future at all for Google because Google is dying. Things are looking very bad for Google. As many of us are already aware, Google continues to lose market share. Red ink flows like a river of blood.

Google search is the most endangered of them all, having lost most of its core affiliates. The sudden and unpleasant departures of Yahoo and AOL only serve to underscore the point more clearly. There can no longer be any doubt: Google is dying.

Let's keep to the facts and look at the numbers.

Google.com founder Sergey Brin states that there are 7000 users of Google. How many users of Verity are there? Let's see. The number of Google versus Verity posts on USENET is roughly in ratio of 5 to 1. Therefore there are about 7000/5 = 1400 Verity users. AskJeeves posts on USENET are about half of the volume of Verity posts. Therefore there are about 700 users of Inktomi. A recent article put Teoma at about 80 percent of the search engine market. Therefore there are (7000+1400+700)*4 = 36400 Google users. This is consistent with the number of Google USENET posts.

Due to the troubles of Google News, abysmal sales and so on, Google is going out of business and will probably be taken over by idealab! who operate another troubled search engine. Now Inktomi is also dead, its corpse turned over to yet another charnel house.

All major surveys show that Google has steadily declined in market share. Google is very sick and its long term survival prospects are very dim. If Google is to survive at all it will be among search engine dilettante dabblers. Google continues to decay. Nothing short of a miracle could save it at this point in time. For all practical p

One more crippling bombshell hit the already beleaguered Google community when IDC confirmed that Google market share has dropped yet again, now down to less than a fraction of 1 percent of all web searches. Coming on the heels of a recent Netcraft survey which plainly states that Google has lost more market share, this news serves to reinforce what we've known all along. Google is collapsing in complete disarray, as fittingly exemplified by Yahoo's failure to renew its exclusive deal with Google.

You don't need to be a Kreskin to predict Google's future. The hand writing is on the wall: Google faces a bleak future. In fact there won't be any future at all for Google because Google is dying. Things are looking very bad for Google. As many of us are already aware, Google continues to lose market share. Red ink flows like a river of blood.

Google search is the most endangered of them all, having lost most of its core affiliates. The sudden and unpleasant departures of Yahoo and AOL only serve to underscore the point more clearly. There can no longer be any doubt: Google is dying.

Let's keep to the facts and look at the numbers.

Google.com founder Sergey Brin states that there are 7000 users of Google. How many users of Verity are there? Let's see. The number of Google versus Verity posts on USENET is roughly in ratio of 5 to 1. Therefore there are about 7000/5 = 1400 Verity users. AskJeeves posts on USENET are about half of the volume of Verity posts. Therefore there are about 700 users of Inktomi. A recent article put Teoma at about 80 percent of the search engine market. Therefore there are (7000+1400+700)*4 = 36400 Google users. This is consistent with the number of Google USENET posts.

Due to the troubles of Google News, abysmal sales and so on, Google is going out of business and will probably be taken over by idealab! who operate another troubled search engine. Now Inktomi is also dead, its corpse turned over to yet another charnel house.

All major surveys show that Google has steadily declined in market share. Google is very sick and its long term survival prospects are very dim. If Google is to survive at all it will be among search engine dilettante dabblers. Google continues to decay. Nothing short of a miracle could save it at this point in time. For all practical p

How come nobody mentions Vivisimo and Teoma in this context? They happen to present the results for different meanings of the word "apple", although they cannot read your minder neither, very much like Googe. They only make it easier for laymen and novices to see that there are other "meanings" for the same search term.

However, this discussion is also blatantly Anglo-centric. In the rest of the world, "Apple" is even more strongly connected to the computer manufacturer (or the Beatles!). Try appel, Apfel, manzana, or pomme in Google and see what you'll find then (or take a look here.

The article does do a good job at pointing out possible improvements. For example the article mentions how biased the search can get towards particular trends on the web.

To workaround this, the folks who have worked in the field of Information Retrieval offer query refinement. An example of this can be seen at work with Teoma. Teoma offers to automatically refine your search query into narrower concepts it thinks are relevant to the original search. Type in "Jaguar" and it will return results as well as a box that suggests you could search for the car or the animal by modifying the query further.

Overall, I feel the article walks a thin line by associating Google with the flaws. On the other hand for the folks at Google, it has been 5 years now. Maybe the improvements are not coming along as I expected. In any case, their index rules. As far as the web is concerned, in my opinion they are the Oracle...

One more crippling bombshell hit the already beleaguered Google community when IDC confirmed that Google market share has dropped yet again, now down to less than a fraction of 1 percent of all web searches. Coming on the heels of a recent Netcraft survey which plainly states that Google has lost more market share, this news serves to reinforce what we've known all along. Google is collapsing in complete disarray, as fittingly exemplified by Yahoo's failure to renew its exclusive deal with Google.

You don't need to be a Kreskin to predict Google's future. The hand writing is on the wall: Google faces a bleak future. In fact there won't be any future at all for Google because Google is dying. Things are looking very bad for Google. As many of us are already aware, Google continues to lose market share. Red ink flows like a river of blood.

Google search is the most endangered of them all, having lost most of its core affiliates. The sudden and unpleasant departures of Yahoo and AOL only serve to underscore the point more clearly. There can no longer be any doubt: Google is dying.

Let's keep to the facts and look at the numbers.

Google.com founder Sergey Brin states that there are 7000 users of Google. How many users of Verity are there? Let's see. The number of Google versus Verity posts on USENET is roughly in ratio of 5 to 1. Therefore there are about 7000/5 = 1400 Verity users. AskJeeves posts on USENET are about half of the volume of Verity posts. Therefore there are about 700 users of Inktomi. A recent article put Teoma at about 80 percent of the search engine market. Therefore there are (7000+1400+700)*4 = 36400 Google users. This is consistent with the number of Google USENET posts.

Due to the troubles of Google News, abysmal sales and so on, Google is going out of business and will probably be taken over by idealab! who operate another troubled search engine. Now Inktomi is also dead, its corpse turned over to yet another charnel house.

All major surveys show that Google has steadily declined in market share. Google is very sick and its long term survival prospects are very dim. If Google is to survive at all it will be among search engine dilettante dabblers. Google continues to decay. Nothing short of a miracle could save it at this point in time. For all practical p

One more crippling bombshell hit the already beleaguered Google community when IDC confirmed that Google market share has dropped yet again, now down to less than a fraction of 1 percent of all web searches. Coming on the heels of a recent Netcraft survey which plainly states that Google has lost more market share, this news serves to reinforce what we've known all along. Google is collapsing in complete disarray, as fittingly exemplified by Yahoo's failure to renew its exclusive deal with Google.

You don't need to be a Kreskin to predict Google's future. The hand writing is on the wall: Google faces a bleak future. In fact there won't be any future at all for Google because Google is dying. Things are looking very bad for Google. As many of us are already aware, Google continues to lose market share. Red ink flows like a river of blood.

Google search is the most endangered of them all, having lost most of its core affiliates. The sudden and unpleasant departures of Yahoo and AOL only serve to underscore the point more clearly. There can no longer be any doubt: Google is dying.

Let's keep to the facts and look at the numbers.

Google.com founder Sergey Brin states that there are 7000 users of Google. How many users of Verity are there? Let's see. The number of Google versus Verity posts on USENET is roughly in ratio of 5 to 1. Therefore there are about 7000/5 = 1400 Verity users. AskJeeves posts on USENET are about half of the volume of Verity posts. Therefore there are about 700 users of Inktomi. A recent article put Teoma at about 80 percent of the search engine market. Therefore there are (7000+1400+700)*4 = 36400 Google users. This is consistent with the number of Google USENET posts.

Due to the troubles of Google News, abysmal sales and so on, Google is going out of business and will probably be taken over by idealab! who operate another troubled search engine. Now Inktomi is also dead, its corpse turned over to yet another charnel house.

All major surveys show that Google has steadily declined in market share. Google is very sick and its long term survival prospects are very dim. If Google is to survive at all it will be among search engine dilettante dabblers. Google continues to decay. Nothing short of a miracle could save it at this point in time. For all practical p

One more crippling bombshell hit the already beleaguered Google community when IDC confirmed that Google market share has dropped yet again, now down to less than a fraction of 1 percent of all web searches. Coming on the heels of a recent Netcraft survey which plainly states that Google has lost more market share, this news serves to reinforce what we've known all along. Google is collapsing in complete disarray, as fittingly exemplified by Yahoo's failure to renew its exclusive deal with Google.

You don't need to be a Kreskin to predict Google's future. The hand writing is on the wall: Google faces a bleak future. In fact there won't be any future at all for Google because Google is dying. Things are looking very bad for Google. As many of us are already aware, Google continues to lose market share. Red ink flows like a river of blood.

Google search is the most endangered of them all, having lost most of its core affiliates. The sudden and unpleasant departures of Yahoo and AOL only serve to underscore the point more clearly. There can no longer be any doubt: Google is dying.

Let's keep to the facts and look at the numbers.

Google.com founder Sergey Brin states that there are 7000 users of Google. How many users of Verity are there? Let's see. The number of Google versus Verity posts on USENET is roughly in ratio of 5 to 1. Therefore there are about 7000/5 = 1400 Verity users. AskJeeves posts on USENET are about half of the volume of Verity posts. Therefore there are about 700 users of Inktomi. A recent article put Teoma at about 80 percent of the search engine market. Therefore there are (7000+1400+700)*4 = 36400 Google users. This is consistent with the number of Google USENET posts.

Due to the troubles of Google News, abysmal sales and so on, Google is going out of business and will probably be taken over by idealab! who operate another troubled search engine. Now Inktomi is also dead, its corpse turned over to yet another charnel house.

All major surveys show that Google has steadily declined in market share. Google is very sick and its long term survival prospects are very dim. If Google is to survive at all it will be among search engine dilettante dabblers. Google continues to decay. Nothing short of a miracle could save it at this point in time. For all practical p

Sounds a lot like Kleinberg's HITS algorithm, circa 1997. Try Teoma for a real-world implementation.

For example, searching a sports-specific Google site for "Giants" would give more importance to pages about the New York or San Francisco Giants and less importance to pages about Jack and the Beanstalk.

Topologically speaking, each principal eigenvector corresponds to a more or less isolated subgraph, eg the subgraph for "San Francisco Giants" is not much connected to the nest of links for "They Might Be Giants", and we get a nice list of subtopics.

(I once tried to explain this algorithm to my bosses at my former employer, which is why I have so much free time to type this right now.)

Sounds a lot like Kleinberg's HITS algorithm, circa 1997. Try Teoma for a real-world implementation.

For example, searching a sports-specific Google site for "Giants" would give more importance to pages about the New York or San Francisco Giants and less importance to pages about Jack and the Beanstalk.

Topologically speaking, each principal eigenvector corresponds to a more or less isolated subgraph, eg the subgraph for "San Francisco Giants" is not much connected to the nest of links for "They Might Be Giants", and we get a nice list of subtopics.

(I once tried to explain this algorithm to my bosses at my former employer, which is why I have so much free time to type this right now.)

Google washes whiter

"Google has made its own statement on the 'Googlewash': by making The Register story that coined the phrase disappear from its search results."

"Not all the search results, mark you, but a very specific one. When you search for the word "Googlewash" (as at 9pm Pacific Time last night) around a hundred results are returned by default. Our story, which is where the word was coined, isn't among them."

"We found it, eventually, but it was very difficult." ... ..."So a story that coins a phrase, and that dozens of others link to, should be pretty near the top."

"Here's what the snapshot looks like now. It's a fluid situation, but as we write, a search for Googlewashed returns 108 results. (Earlier on, it was 111. The number varies, but the end-result is the same, as you'll see)." ...

"Clearly, somoene at Google doesn't like the word "Googlewashed"."

"Now then. Google hasn't quite concealed the origin of the Googlewash phrase. If you search for Googlewash, or Googlewashed with the parameter, site:www.theregister.co.uk, you'll find a cluster of four pages with the original in fourth place. So the story itself has not been deleted from the index."

"What's happened is that PageRank has hidden it out plain sight."

"Now we must remember that Google, based in Mountain View, California is a private corporation, and it can do whatever the hell it likes with its page rankings."

There isn't a search engine in the world that isn't susceptible to some kind of pressure, payola, gaming or otherwise." ...

If you have a problem with this then fight google. Start using search engine like Teoma, Alltheweb, and Wisenut. Google is dominate in a large part to timing. The alternative search engines I mentioned are pretty darn good, but I must admit I do still think Google is better. But if these companies had the resources of Google they could probably crawl more of the web, attract better talent, etc.

Well, this may be the situation right now, but if it continues for long, someone is bound to start indexing faster and will therefore gain market share from Google/Fast...

I currently prefer Google, but both are fairly good...

Google will likely stay up there for a long time, but sooner or later it will be #2...

The barriers to entry for the search engine market are still not as high as in the auto industry (for instance)...

Maybe the next one will be Teoma (Owned by Ask Jeeves, Inc.)...

But until then, I'll still keep an eye on Search Engine Watch...

But if you look at Altavista in 1996, before the big portalization, you'll still see a bit more clutter than you see on Google. And, Excite in 1996 is far from clean. I can't remember Excite any earlier because I don't think I ever used it much. I was a devoted AltaVista user until they stopped/slowed indexing new sites, portalized it, and just made it not worth using. Then I found Google, and it became my new home page.

You can not deny, however, that Teoma, HotBot, AllTheWeb, AltaVista and WiseNut have all been influenced by Google's successful design. You don't need to invent something to make it popular.

Teoma is almost as good but I still go to Google first.

You're missing by far the biggest intranet vendors. Verity is the king of this market, and have been since the mid-90s. They get a lot of mileage out of their OEM sales; it sounds simpler to a company if they hear that they "already have Verity" within Documentum or Cold Fusion or whatever.

It'll be very interesting to see what they do with the Inktomi purchase. (They bought the productized search before Yahoo snarfed up the external services.) Inktomi is IMHO the best intranet search engine right now. (I believe Verity is dropping the Inktomi name and is calling the tool Ultraseek, which goes back to Inktomi's acquisition of Intelliseek.) The purchase gave Verity yet another leg up with enterprise search, it'll be interesting to see if they leverage the technology or if they see this more as a marketing move.

Google is obviously a big player here too. Don't need to evangelize to the /. crowd on that. However Gooogle still has a way to go in understanding how to tackle enterprise search.

Autonomy is another big player in the enterprise, though I am less familiar with their tools.

Other interesting enterprise search vendors include FAST, Isys, and Divine/Northern Light (yes they're still around). Teoma/Ask Jeeves could get there if they productize their search tool. Lots of interesting approaches there but nobody who's quite moved up into the first tier.

Anyway, it's a messy space even with all the consolidation above. I have no idea whether Ovation will keep up their enterprise sales effort or not; I suppose it depends on how profitable that part of the business is. Guess we'll find out...

Same damn post, but I'm not so god damn lazy.

One more crippling bombshell hit the already beleaguered Google community when IDC confirmed that Google market share has dropped yet again, now down to less than a fraction of 1 percent of all web searches. Coming on the heels of a recent Netcraft survey which plainly states that Google has lost more market share, this news serves to reinforce what we've known all along. Google is collapsing in complete disarray, as fittingly exemplified by Yahoo's failure to renew its exclusive deal with Google.

You don't need to be a Kreskin to predict Google's future. The hand writing is on the wall: Google faces a bleak future. In fact there won't be any future at all for Google because Google is dying. Things are looking very bad for Google. As many of us are already aware, Google continues to lose market share. Red ink flows like a river of blood.

Google search is the most endangered of them all, having lost most of its core affiliates. The sudden and unpleasant departures of Yahoo and AOL only serve to underscore the point more clearly. There can no longer be any doubt: Google is dying.

Let's keep to the facts and look at the numbers.

Google.com founder Sergey Brin states that there are 7000 users of Google. How many users of Verity are there? Let's see. The number of Google versus Verity posts on USENET is roughly in ratio of 5 to 1. Therefore there are about 7000/5 = 1400 Verity users. AskJeeves posts on USENET are about half of the volume of Verity posts. Therefore there are about 700 users of Inktomi. A recent article put Teoma at about 80 percent of the search engine market. Therefore there are (7000+1400+700)*4 = 36400 Google users. This is consistent with the number of Google USENET posts.

Due to the troubles of Google News, abysmal sales and so on, Google is going out of business and will probably be taken over by idealab! who operate another troubled search engine. Now Inktomi is also dead, its corpse turned over to yet another charnel house.

All major surveys show that Google has steadily declined in market share. Google is very sick and its long term survival prospects are very dim. If Google is to survive at all it will be among search engine dilettante dabblers. Google continues to decay. Nothing short of a miracle could save it at this point in time. For all practical purposes, Google is dead.

Fact: Google is dying

One more crippling bombshell hit the already beleaguered Google community when IDC confirmed that Google market share has dropped yet again, now down to less than a fraction of 1 percent of all web searches. Coming on the heels of a recent Netcraft survey which plainly states that Google has lost more market share, this news serves to reinforce what we've known all along. Google is collapsing in complete disarray, as fittingly exemplified by Yahoo's failure to renew its exclusive deal with Google.

You don't need to be a Kreskin to predict Google's future. The hand writing is on the wall: Google faces a bleak future. In fact there won't be any future at all for Google because Google is dying. Things are looking very bad for Google. As many of us are already aware, Google continues to lose market share. Red ink flows like a river of blood.

Google search is the most endangered of them all, having lost most of its core affiliates. The sudden and unpleasant departures of Yahoo and AOL only serve to underscore the point more clearly. There can no longer be any doubt: Google is dying.

Let's keep to the facts and look at the numbers.

Google.com founder Sergey Brin states that there are 7000 users of Google. How many users of Verity are there? Let's see. The number of Google versus Verity posts on USENET is roughly in ratio of 5 to 1. Therefore there are about 7000/5 = 1400 Verity users. AskJeeves posts on USENET are about half of the volume of Verity posts. Therefore there are about 700 users of Inktomi. A recent article put Teoma at about 80 percent of the search engine market. Therefore there are (7000+1400+700)*4 = 36400 Google users. This is consistent with the number of Google USENET posts.

Due to the troubles of Google News, abysmal sales and so on, Google is going out of business and will probably be taken over by idealab! who operate another troubled search engine. Now Inktomi is also dead, its corpse turned over to yet another charnel house.

All major surveys show that Google has steadily declined in market share. Google is very sick and its long term survival prospects are very dim. If Google is to survive at all it will be among search engine dilettante dabblers. Google continues to decay. Nothing short of a miracle could save it at this point in time. For all practical purposes, Google is dead.

Fact: Google is dying

One more crippling bombshell hit the already beleaguered Google community when IDC confirmed that Google market share has dropped yet again, now down to less than a fraction of 1 percent of all web searches. Coming on the heels of a recent Netcraft survey which plainly states that Google has lost more market share, this news serves to reinforce what we've known all along. Google is collapsing in complete disarray, as fittingly exemplified by Yahoo's failure to renew its exclusive deal with Google.

You don't need to be a Kreskin to predict Google's future. The hand writing is on the wall: Google faces a bleak future. In fact there won't be any future at all for Google because Google is dying. Things are looking very bad for Google. As many of us are already aware, Google continues to lose market share. Red ink flows like a river of blood.

Google search is the most endangered of them all, having lost most of its core affiliates. The sudden and unpleasant departures of Yahoo and AOL only serve to underscore the point more clearly. There can no longer be any doubt: Google is dying.

Let's keep to the facts and look at the numbers.

Google.com founder Sergey Brin states that there are 7000 users of Google. How many users of Verity are there? Let's see. The number of Google versus Verity posts on USENET is roughly in ratio of 5 to 1. Therefore there are about 7000/5 = 1400 Verity users. AskJeeves posts on USENET are about half of the volume of Verity posts. Therefore there are about 700 users of Inktomi. A recent article put Teoma at about 80 percent of the search engine market. Therefore there are (7000+1400+700)*4 = 36400 Google users. This is consistent with the number of Google USENET posts.

Due to the troubles of Google News, abysmal sales and so on, Google is going out of business and will probably be taken over by idealab! who operate another troubled search engine. Now Inktomi is also dead, its corpse turned over to yet another charnel house.

All major surveys show that Google has steadily declined in market share. Google is very sick and its long term survival prospects are very dim. If Google is to survive at all it will be among search engine dilettante dabblers. Google continues to decay. Nothing short of a miracle could save it at this point in time. For all practical purposes, Google is dead.

Fact: Google is dying

It is official; Netcraft confirms: Google is dying.

One more crippling bombshell hit the already beleaguered Google community when IDC confirmed that Google market share has dropped yet again, now down to less than a fraction of 1 percent of all web searches. Coming on the heels of a recent Netcraft survey which plainly states that Google has lost more market share, this news serves to reinforce what we've known all along. Google is collapsing in complete disarray, as fittingly exemplified by Yahoo's failure to renew its exclusive deal with Google.

You don't need to be a Kreskin to predict Google's future. The hand writing is on the wall: Google faces a bleak future. In fact there won't be any future at all for Google because Google is dying. Things are looking very bad for Google. As many of us are already aware, Google continues to lose market share. Red ink flows like a river of blood.

Google search is the most endangered of them all, having lost most of its core affiliates. The sudden and unpleasant departures of Yahoo and AOL only serve to underscore the point more clearly. There can no longer be any doubt: Google is dying.

Let's keep to the facts and look at the numbers.

Google.com founder Sergey Brin states that there are 7000 users of Google. How many users of Verity are there? Let's see. The number of Google versus Verity posts on USENET is roughly in ratio of 5 to 1. Therefore there are about 7000/5 = 1400 Verity users. AskJeeves posts on USENET are about half of the volume of Verity posts. Therefore there are about 700 users of Inktomi. A recent article put Teoma at about 80 percent of the search engine market. Therefore there are (7000+1400+700)*4 = 36400 Google users. This is consistent with the number of Google USENET posts.

Due to the troubles of Google News, abysmal sales and so on, Google is going out of business and will probably be taken over by idealab! who operate another troubled search engine. Now Inktomi is also dead, its corpse turned over to yet another charnel house.

All major surveys show that Google has steadily declined in market share. Google is very sick and its long term survival prospects are very dim. If Google is to survive at all it will be among search engine dilettante dabblers. Google continues to decay. Nothing short of a miracle could save it at this point in time. For all practical purposes, Google is dead.

Fact: Google is dying

It is official; Netcraft confirms: Google is dying.

One more crippling bombshell hit the already beleaguered Google community when IDC confirmed that Google market share has dropped yet again, now down to less than a fraction of 1 percent of all web searches. Coming on the heels of a recent Netcraft survey which plainly states that Google has lost more market share, this news serves to reinforce what we've known all along. Google is collapsing in complete disarray, as fittingly exemplified by Yahoo's failure to renew its exclusive deal with Google.

You don't need to be a Kreskin to predict Google's future. The hand writing is on the wall: Google faces a bleak future. In fact there won't be any future at all for Google because Google is dying. Things are looking very bad for Google. As many of us are already aware, Google continues to lose market share. Red ink flows like a river of blood.

Google search is the most endangered of them all, having lost most of its core affiliates. The sudden and unpleasant departures of Yahoo and AOL only serve to underscore the point more clearly. There can no longer be any doubt: Google is dying.

Let's keep to the facts and look at the numbers.

Google.com founder Sergey Brin states that there are 7000 users of Google. How many users of Verity are there? Let's see. The number of Google versus Verity posts on USENET is roughly in ratio of 5 to 1. Therefore there are about 7000/5 = 1400 Verity users. AskJeeves posts on USENET are about half of the volume of Verity posts. Therefore there are about 700 users of Inktomi. A recent article put Teoma at about 80 percent of the search engine market. Therefore there are (7000+1400+700)*4 = 36400 Google users. This is consistent with the number of Google USENET posts.

Due to the troubles of Google News, abysmal sales and so on, Google is going out of business and will probably be taken over by idealab! who operate another troubled search engine. Now Inktomi is also dead, its corpse turned over to yet another charnel house.

All major surveys show that Google has steadily declined in market share. Google is very sick and its long term survival prospects are very dim. If Google is to survive at all it will be among search engine dilettante dabblers. Google continues to decay. Nothing short of a miracle could save it at this point in time. For all practical purposes, Google is dead.

Fact: Google is dying

Search engines are being bought up left and right, and the price keeps going up.

Teoma bought by Ask Jeeves ($4M).

Wisenut bought by Looksmart ($9M).

Inktomi bought by Yahoo ($235M).

Ask Jeeves realized its search technology didn't work, and bought Teoma. Looksmart, now a "search placement" provider, realized no one would look at its commercial listings if they didn't give users some non-commercial search content as well. Yahoo seems to have come to the same conclusion, after farming out to google, etc. If they want to make revenue, they seem to have realized that they have to invest in some original technology.

Since it isn't using its own engine, you should be fine...

Yes it is. What many of us think of as the "HotBot engine" is actually the Inktomi engine, which is still available on HotBot and is in fact the default. (The others are FAST, Teoma, and the yardstick by which all others are measured.)