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Riiiight, because .NET is used by anybody, hell I haven't even bothered to install it since ATI replaced .NET with Visual C++ over a year and a half ago, its like Java. Oh and your problem? Took me all of three seconds with Google to find a Microsoft Fix it which involves a ...gasp! A Single button you push. No CLI, no tweaking shit, push the button and reboot. Tada! Now find a fix it for Linux if say, your broadcom worked and was crapped on during the GUI upgrade from 10.04 to 11. what you'll get is a pile of CLI which WILL HAVE TO BE TWEAKED because Linux is waaaay too God damned picky and every. single. thing has to be EXACT. So if the Bash CLI crap is for the broadcom 22.14x and you have the 22.16y you damned well better know it and fix it or you are SOL.;

In the end numbers don't lie and even Asus, who started the netbook craze with Linux, well guess what? ASUS has given up most likely because of the amount support costs thanks to crap breaking. I'd bet my last buck that that is the reason that dell won't release their Linux sales figures because they are losing money on every sale since Dell has to Dell has to run their own repos because again you use normal repos? Its craploa on your drivers. That's right, even though they have a teeny tiny subset they can't even use the default repos without the distro crapping out. that's just sad dude.

Tell me which mean were you intending to invoke, was it works for me or works for me at home it does really because it really would help if you would just point to which meme you are gonna sling. Personally i think they ought to just number them, then you can say 'i'm gonna call a number 4, followed by a 6 and a 19" and call it a day.

You want something besides anecdotes? be careful what you wish for because you just might get it friend. BTW if your OS wasn't broken why did ASUS abandon it? could it be the the insane return rate from people buying your shit and finding it be broke? how do you answer the fact that dell has to run their own repo, even though they only offer Linux on a teeny tiny amount, because otherwise the deathmarch upgrades shit all over the drivers?

The simple answer is you can't, you can't and you won't because that would mean stopping all the koolaid guzzling and admitting the dirty little secret of FOSS, and that is the driver model is shit. Its shit because Linus Torvalds doesn't care if its shit and has said there will NEVER be an ABI, even though Solaris, BSD, OSX, Windows and every other OS that is NOT Linux has one. Do you HONESTLY believe Linus is smarter than every single OS designer in the world? arrogant much? Oh and please post that bit from one of the kernel devs against ABIs because i don't have that cultist rant bookmarked yet, thanks. When the guy goes so far as to say 'I hope anybody who uses non free drivers has their devices break often!" he has ceased being a developer and became a FOSSie, which like Moonies only accept "the one true way" all bow before the smelly feet of RMS.

But if you'd like more examples, please just ask, 5 minutes in google and i can wallpaper this page with link after link saying the same thing I am, your shit be broke yo.

Fact is that Samsung created a tablet that looks very similar to an iPad, and that similarity was intentional. Other tablets do _not_ look that similar. And it is obvious that Apple doesn't like it. Whether Apple has a case legally or not doesn't matter that much; the message sent is "if you try to sell devices that we think are copying our devices then you'll end up in court, and we make it as inconvenient as possible for you". There are plenty of other devices where Apple could have sued over the same patents, but they don't because the _reason_ for suing is not the patents, but the similarity of the product design.

As far as "Other tablets do _not_ look that similar" goes Apple would beg to differ.
Yes apple is anti-competitive in the fact that they will drag you into court over trivial similarities. They took the very common flat slate concept and filed a patent on it. One thing they are very good at is using the ideas and concepts of others and claiming them as their own while convincing the faithful that it was all their idea. Prior art be damned. Keep swallowing the talking points of Apple's PR dept. though don't let the facts get in the way.

Funny you should mention dell because they are actually a poster child for how broken Linux is a consumer platform is because Dell have to run their own repos just to keep there teeny tiny subset of hardware from being shat on when the devs scratch their itches. I will bet my very last dollar if Dell will publish their numbers (which they won't BTW, I even asked them out of curiosity and they won't give you the numbers) that Dell is LOSING money on Ubuntu because the costs of keeping a dev team to do nothing but maintain their own repo is costing more than they are making on the machines. Do you propose that ALL the OEMs lose money hand over fist to support you? Did you know that ASUS, the ones that started the whole Linux on tiny machines aka netbook craze has given up on Linux and no longer sells any Linux machines? or that a decade old Windows stomped Linux on netbooks or that even canonical admitted that returns were FOUR TIMES higher than Windows? do you think ALL of these people are lying? That they "just don't git it"?

Its really simple friend, to get the level of polish required to make Linux work on the desktop, where suzy the checkout girl won't have to learn bash or how to navigate a CLI when things break, where frankly things WON'T break in the first place, is gonna cost north of a hundred million easy and the FOSS model simply won't allow you to make that amount in the consumer market. Look at canonical, they haven't made a single cent, not one penny, on the desktop. if you figure in how much shuttleworth sunk in they have lost millions without a single dime of ROI, you think that is sustainable? in fact I'd bet my last buck that canonical will be out of desktops in less than 5 years, probably less than 3, simply because they won't be able to generate the operating capital. RMS may think you can have a utopia where everyone works for free towards the common good but that is a fallacy because we human like doing fun jobs and HATE doing shitty jobs and in the FOSS model the busted shitters don't get fixed. The FOSS model works in business because business is used to buying support contracts and they make money off their machines so spending money to make money is fine by them. the consumer market simply doesn't work like that and without the steady income you can't herd the devs and if you don't herd the devs you get what you have now, with bugs measured in years, updates that fix one thing and break three, hell I have Windows units out in the field that have been running since 2002 on a single install. can you imagine trying to update a Linux desktop from 2002 to current and still have it functional on the other end? it won't happen friend, hell take a distro disc from just 3 years ago and apt-dist-upgrade to current and watch things fall apart.

Sorry you and the other poster got modded down friend, but I intended and expected to be modbombed as i call it like I see it and truth rarely follows groupthink. The simple fact that so many here refuse to accept (Notice how many said "Windows and OSX isn't polished" which if that isn't koolaid chugging I don't know what is) is that the level of integration you are talking with Windows and OSX, where EVERYTHING follows strict conventions, like scrollbar goes here and icons must be like so and keyboards shortcuts should be thus, all of that COSTS MONEY because without it? You get what you have now which is rampant itch scratching. Just look at your average "consumer friendly" Linux like Mint or PCLOS. You have apps that follow the Mac way, some follow the Windows way, some go for the old school UNIX methods of doing things. There is NO consistency there AT ALL. Why is that? Its because the devs are working for free and frankly don't give a fuck about jumping through some hoop if they don't want to and because they aren't getting paid you can take it or leave it friend, because they are just scratching an itch, not like they can be fired for not following the rules.

Then you have the horrible bugs and driver breaking. Just look at the Canonical bugtracker where many bugs are measured in YEARS without being fixed. Some have thousands of complaints yet they sit, why? no payments to devs mean they don't want to do shit works for free, its simple human nature. if i'm gonna give up my own free time I'm gonna be doing something FUN and coding is fun, bug fixing? Not fun, not even a little fun, in fact it sucks ass. I mean when Dell, one of the biggest OEMs on the entire planet, has to run their own repos because if they don't the whole thing shits itself and dies? You got serious problems friend. Why does it do that? Why would the bog standard boring ass hardware that Dell uses, the same Realtek and Intel and ATI and Nvidia chips that are in more than 85% of the computers on the planet still break, even though these are well known hardware? Its simple because the rampant itch scratching of the devs from Torvalds on down simply are worried about scratching their own little itches instead of worrying about the big picture and what their changes do to the ecosystem. Go to ANY forum after a release and see how many "Update foo broke my drivers!" posts you'll find. Just for the hell of it i tried counting on the Ubuntu forum after the last release and I quit at over 700 and there were literally page after page I didn't bother counting. Now realize for every ONE complaint you probably have a couple of hundred that just got frustrated and either went somewhere else or gave up completely and went to Windows or OSX. One of the long time posters on LinuxInsider has been a Linux server admin for over a decade and she recently gave up and is looking at either BSD or Mac, why? because the latest apt-dist-upgrade wiped out her email and left her with a broken machine. Data loss in this stage of the game is unacceptable people!

What I'm trying to get at folks is the FOSS model works in SOME cases but not ALL cases and trying to fit the FOSS model into all cases is a giant FAIL and consumers are one of those fail cases. like I said consumers won't buy support contracts, so how do you make the hundreds of millions required to pay the devs to get the busted shitters fixed? you don't which is why we have the mess we have. mark my words in less than 5 years Canonical will be OUT of the desktops biz because they can't keep losing money and Shuttleworth made it clear there won't be any more checks. that's why at CES there is gonna be an UbuntuTablet and you see more and more spent on Ubuntu Server and by extension less on Ubuntu desktop. Everyone is gonna have to face the fact that the tin cup model simply doesn't provide the millions in steady income required to build a world class desktop and if you want to compete with Apple and MSFT

Don't forget to use the magic uncripple settings if you do that Mr AC or you'll be tying a boat anchor to every non Intel chip that tries to run you code.

Hell why didn't you bring up toasters while you were at it? See its THIS kind of total flag waving horseshit you ALWAYS get from FOSSies. I said it QUITE clearly we were talking about DESKTOPS, not what your cell phone or TV for that matter runs. Newsflash: Nobody gives a shit, hell unless its Apple nobody even knows what the fuck is on their damned cell phone! Its a screen with buttons and THAT IS ALL. Linux is used there because its FREE and with a locked down cell phone nobody gives a flying wet fart what is behind the buttons, just that the buttons work. Supercomputers? Are nothing BUT CLI, that's it. They are trying to squeeze every little drip drop of horsepower they can so no shit they are using a CLI OS. It also again is the fact its FREE and MSFT frankly has always charged assraping prices on their server products.

Now back to the subject at hand, desktops. if your driver model isn't shit then why does Dell have to run their own repos? If it is sooo good then why does a decade old Windows beat the shit out of Linux on netbooks or why has ASUS has given up on your bullshit or why did Walmart run away from linux as fast as it can?

I'll tell you why, its because its too fiddly, too unintuitive, the kernel on up is as solid and stable as the shifting sands, its a geek programmer's toy and NOTHING more ATM. Funny how all the things you mentioned are controlled by......drumroll....geek programmers! who programs cell phone OSes and writes drivers for them? Who sets up Webservers and supercomputers? Why that would be geeky ass nerd programmers! Meanwhile you can't even give the damned thing away for free to normal folks NOR to retailers NOR to OEMs. Doesn't that slap you with the cluebat? or are you too gonna give me a treaty on how "CLI is leet" like this guy?

See i'm the community's worst nightmare, i'm a retailer. i have better things to do than play 'find the fix' on weekends and i don't think staring at your beloved bash prompt is a solution for ANY problem much less EVERY problem. Frankly Windows 98 and System 9 were more polished than the current Linux distros are, and when i have people on this very forum tell me "Well just don't update it" like Linux magically is immune to ALL software exploits? Well i have to think the whole damned bunch has gone stark raving loonie.

Now you be sure to call me a "nigger faggot cocksucker" aka shill troll astroturfer because I dared to point out that after TWENTY YEARS Linux is STILL lower than JavaME. Oh BTW every single lame excuse you used? There is a whole website dedicated to those excuses such as your excuse about supercomputers? Its been there since Dec 2009 so at least try to come up with some new BS, mmmkay?

Thank you, but I'm just a humble retailer that got tired of being lied to. I mean if their OS was actually good then why has ASUS has given up on Linux? If it is so stable then why does Dell have to run their own repos even though we are talking a teeny tiny subset of hardware? If it is so secure then

how, do you explain these?

So you see somewhere on the way to be a good OS Linux quit being an OS and became a religion. Admittance of the myriad of problems is NOT allowed, anymore that you could question the Koran or Bible in the home of a fundie. Frankly Canonical could change the default picture to Goatse and we'd see apologists come out of the woodwork to explain that is actually a biting social commentary on our times.

Here are some facts: Fact 1- All the major OEMs frankly ignore Linux not because of some secret M$ Ninja conspiracy, but because its so damned unstable thanks to Torvalds treating the kernel as his own playground. this attitude which is expressed by the man himself right here mean a company either has to do like dell and pay a team to basically run their OWN distro, no small task, or deal with a broken mess when Torvalds goes 'Lol Goatse!" and breaks shit. this is why even Canonical admitted there is a FOUR TIMES higher return rate for Ubuntu netbooks which makes linux a money LOSER for any company foolish enough to try. Walmart, Asus, these companies don't just abandon a product willy nilly you know, they did it because of the reasons i listed.

The sad part? All the basic parts are there, a modern kernel, DEs that with some serious polish could be great, plenty of drivers, but the zealots and itch scratching devs make sure Linux goes exactly nowhere. the ONLY reason it has gotten anywhere on servers is MSFT's frankly ass raping prices on CALs. If MSFT dropped the price of WinServer to $100 and the price of CALs to a buck a pop Linux would dry up and blow away, anybody that was honest would admit this. As a Linux admin i know put it "if you give a Windows and Linux admin the same job that the Linux guy has done repeatedly then the Linux admin WILL win, but if its a completely new task? the windows admin will be home making a sandwich before the Linux admin is done Googling".

But instead of admitting that CLIs are for servers and GUIs for desktops you'll get 300 page treaties on how "CLI is leet!" and how much better the world would be if "They would only embrace the POWER of CLI" like its the god damned force. So instead all you get is flag waving and fangirls. notice how many above me rushed to say "And I'm not a fanboi"? Every time you read that the translation should be "I'm such a fangirl I squee like a tweener at a Beiber concert when i see a Bash prompt!"

Ultimately though their denial can't change reality and the simple fact is their precious awesome OS lower than JavaME , a shitty third rate cellphone OS. Why? If it is sooo good why is it so low? Because it ISN'T good, its a buggy, fiddly, unfriendly, unintuitive, CLI heavy fiddly bitch that is about as far from the level of polish from OSX and Win 7 as it is from here to Europa. If they weren't so busy drooling over bash prompts maybe they'd ask the most important question, which is "What are our competitors doing right that we are doing wrong?' but that would mean admitting 70s terminals are as out as Disco, and they'd rather choke on RMS's sandals that admit that little truth.

Here you are. It's always nice to see rapist corporations put under the proper light.

http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/1029514/fripp-lays-music-industry-rip

Robert Fripp lays in to music industry rip-off merchants
Vista composer exposes EMI's lucrative shenanigans
Source: The Inquirer (http://s.tt/14sUS)

"SEXY TIME social network Badoo has become the world's fourth-largest with over 132 million members worldwide and over 1 million in the UK. According to the Telegraph, Badoo is the 'Facebook for sex' but is also widely used as an ordinary social network. Apparently, a third of its British users admitted in a recent survey that they had "met someone for sex" through the web site. [...] Badoo is based in London and owned by a Russian entrepreneur called Andrey Andreev. It takes in about $100m a year in revenues."

http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/2132141/sex-social-network-fourth-largest

How do the pr0n sites make their $$$? Blackmail?

It has NOTHING to do with preference, in fact I ran OS/2 right up to Win2K and it has EVERYTHING to do with the fact that Linux at its core is broken. there is NO QA, NO ABI, NO attempt even not to break shit, its nothing but "Doing your own thing" and too damned many cooks all spoiling the broth. I'll point out that one of the largest OEMs on the planet Dell has to run their own repos or Linux takes a big old shit and dies when you update it.

Now you tell me friend do you HONESTLY think I can get better QA than Dell? or that i have enough money to call china and have my own designs built, pay a bunch of developers to constantly write drivers to make sure said design works, and even after all that end up having to maintain my own distro because Linus going Goatse on the kernel breaks shit constantly?

FOUR drivers friend, that is ALL it takes to support windows for a good decade plus, probably closer to two thanks to the fact Windows is pretty long lasting with driver models: 2K/XP, 2K3 X64/XP X64, Win Vista/7 32 bit, WinVista/7 64 bit, tada! Now my customer is supported until 2020 with NO driver borkage. compare this to ANY Linux forum and what do you see after each upgrade, hell what did I see with my own two peepers? 'Update foo broke my drivers" is the order of the day. BSD, Solaris, windows, OSX, hell even OS/2 has a stable driver ABI but Linus thinks his shit don't stink and since he said in 1993 he wasn't gonna allow one then by god Linux will never have one! And please don't link to that treaty by one of the kernel devs because it is a RELIGIOUS treaty and he even goes so far as to say he hopes that those that use non free drivers have broken systems!

So I'm sorry friend but your OS is simply unsuitable for purpose. its a geek hacker programmer hobbyist OS, not an OS for Suzy the checkout girl or the other billions of non programmers out there. its unstable, drivers constantly shit themselves on upgrade, its DEs are in flux, hell everything from the kernel up is about as stable as the shifting sands, its a fucking mess friend. While i like the IDEA of a free OS in practice you get a shit sandwich then told "you can't complain because its free!". yeah but a free shit sandwich is STILL shit.

I can tell you EXACTLY what went wrong, that damned Linus Torvalds is what went wrong! between his constant kernel fiddling breaking drivers (He needs to just change the logo for Linux from tux to Goatse because frankly it feels like he's trolling) and Canonical getting everyone on an INSANE 6 month release schedule (which means nothing gets fixed, just new versions that add new bugs on top of old bugs) the quality has backslid BAD and QA is right out. I mean when one of the top 4 OEMs has to run their own repos because even on a TEENY TINY subset of hardware they can't even get enough QA from Canonical to keep the drivers from taking a big old shit if you run the default repos? Something be stinking in Linux land.

Pulse Audio, Linus kernel Goatse, DEs getting tossed, frankly the guts in Linux is as stable as the shifting sands now. I've tried Linux on just about every off lease and refurb that has come through my shop and in ALL CASES the drivers shit themselves, the DEs gets screwy such as settings not "sticking" after reboot unless you input the data by CLI, its just one big fucking mess, that's what it is.

And they can complain about "Waaah they won't give us drivers waaah!" but you know what? a company would have to be certifiably INSANE to support Linux. With Windows just FOUR count 'em FOUR drivers gives you support for every version of Windows from 2000-2014 at the very least! 2K/XP XP X64/2K3 X64, Vista/7 32 bit, Vista /7 64 bit...tada! I'm done, stick a fork, my device will work now and keep working. and look what a company gets for bending over backwards to support linux? AMD not only opened the specs they hired developers to help the community write drivers, only for the drivers to constantly have to be rewritten (Linus Goatse) and the community to say in EVERY forum 'LOL Buy Nvidia". if i was AMD I'd tell the community to go fuck themselves.

Finally as for Android, lets break it down shall we? what IS Android? its the SAME DAMNED THING we retailers have been BEGGING the community to give us for X86/64. Its an ALL GUI no CLI OS where everything is "clicky clicky" and there are NO driver borkage because Google doesn't allow Linus "The Goatse" Torvalds to touch "their" kernel, that's why. Hell read his thoughts on the kernel and tell me if your ass wouldn't get a pink slip if you tried that! No roadmap, no plans, he scratches itches like its 1993 and he is still passing the kernel around over IRC.

Frankly I've given up. I've talked and written articles and begged until i'm blue in the face only to have the community throw shit and insults and say "Your a dirty poo poo head M$ Ninja!", I've tried every damned Linux there is and watched them shit themselves over tasks that frankly Windows could do a decade ago, hell they still don't even have a "Find drivers" or "roll back drivers" button and when i point this out I get a lecture on how my "duty" is to waste my time for free teaching my customers to do forum hunts and CLI tweaking copypasta that they have NO desire to learn or do, because they HAVE to "embrace the POWER of CLI" like its the God damned force!

Insanity friend, that's what it is, sheer mass insanity! To this very day they truly believe that the masses are all gonna abandon GUIs for terminals and go back to the 1970s! Frankly it shouldn't surprise me though, just look at their hero RMS. I swear to God the man still calls everyone "hackers" and acts like he is at a computer club meeting in 1978!

Just remember folks the benchmarks are often rigged because they are compiled with the Intel compiler that to this very day ties a boat anchor to ANY chip that gives an "Authentic AMD" CPUID. So unless they tell you before running that they compiled with a neutral compiler like Open64 or GCC I wouldn't trust the benches anymore than the old Quack.exe trick. Here is an article to back me up.

As for TFA frankly except for as another pointed out using it as an Android emulator i just don't get it. The Linux community has a REAL winner on their hands with expressgate/splashtop and if they'd get behind it and start writing apps for it I bet it would be trivial to get all the OEMs on board. As I've said the key to beating MSFT at their own game is NOT to try to force them into a showdown but to simply route around them. with tons of apps having a real instant on Linux OS built into every new desktop and laptop could give people REAL choice and I have a feeling once they've tried EG/ST as long as the community backs them up with plenty of apps I could see their installed Windows not getting much use. I have expressgate in my netbook and when i'm out that is practically all I use anymore, its just too nice and easy while giving me more battery life.

And yet again multiple sources ask for citation and all you can do is fling shit like a monkey. Tell me something, how does it feel to be in absolute last place with NO hope of ever getting better? Is it one of those sad stories, where with no friends you turn to something that is unpopular like you are in the hope you'll have something in common? is it that you simply have nothing better to do on weekends besides read man pages so knowing how to "kinda sorta" copypasta makes you have a warm fuzzy feeling? does using a loser in the market somehow justify your own loser state? please tell i bet its an interesting story, probably involves bullying and child abuse. BTW enjoy some failure, just to make you feel at home.

Isn't it sad, how like a frightened child afraid to look under the bed, you cower at the truth? if your driver model isn't shit then why does Dell have to run their own repos even though we are talking a teeny tiny subset of hardware? Oh right because Linux shits itself and dies if you use the default repos! Man that is some excellent product you got there! you think I can get better QA than the third largest OEM on the planet? What, you expect me to tell paying customers "Go to the forum, kiss some loser ass, and maybe, just maybe, in a few days someone will have mercy and give you a big pile of bullshit that may or may not make your sound work again"?

Bleeding yet douchey? want some more? nice thing about having the truth on your side, you can keep throwing punches all day! How about how a decade old Windows beat the shit out of Linux on netbooks or how ASUS has given up on your bullshit or how about Walmart running away from linux as fast as it can? You got the crazy koolaid drunk enough to say they ALL are paid shills because they won't do your forum dance or CLI horseshit? Meanwhile your "hero" Torvalds the great says Plans? We don't need no steenkin plans!. Why don't you tell them that at work next week, see how quick you get a pink slip? More? How about you actually have the balls to celebrate getting a whole 1% market share while you are actually lower than JavaME and there is a whole website dedicated To your bullshit and excuses .

You see you whiny little delusional mama's boy, I'm your worst fucking nightmare...a retailer that still believes. I believe that the community doesn't have to take Torvalds shit sandwiches, I believe that things can be made better, I believe Linux can be something for more than douchebags like you that will happily take a cock slapping from linus as long as you can say you are sticking to "teh man". I believe that there can be Linux boxes on actual shelves and penguins on boxes.

So you go hide now mama's boy, you hide with your Tux blankie and keep saying your magical nigger nigger faggot, or should I say shill shill astroturfer, like it is a magical word that will make all the bad go away. But it won't change reality and the reality is your driver model is shit and more than 15 years behind everyone else and that is why retailers like me wouldn't piss on it, not some mythical money truck that sneaks up to my door in the middle of the night. So go compile something and leave the men to talk about the real world, okay little girl?

Actually I hate to burst your bubble (and notice how I got modded down for showing the true numbers? Apparently some here don't like looking in the mirror none) but here is a little secret most don't know: Windows HP is free to OEMs so your bragging about being "free as in beer"? really pointless as is the GP. you see there is this thing called "trialware" that the OEMs are PAID to install, the cost of Windows minus this trialware on Windows HP comes out to a NEGATIVE number, therefor Windows? Costs nothing.

Here is another little dirty secret nobody wants to mention. Try looking up the "profits" for the Dell ubuntu division, you won't find the numbers anywhere, why? its actually simple its because with all the money they have to spend making ubuntu work they are in the red and if anyone thought about it they'd see why. Not only do they lose the trialware which as I pointed out for home users actually makes them money or allows them to lower the cost per unit, but with ubuntu they have to hire their own dev team AND run their own repo, because if they don't then this happens.

But please, waste your mod points and go back to standing in a circle patting yourselves on the back for what a "success" your 1.7 percent is, I'm sure MSFT and Apple are both grateful for it. You allow them to split the market and rake in massive profits, hell i'm surprised they don't send the Linux community a big old cake as a thanks. i'm sure it would be moist and delicious. But no matter how you stomp your feet or act like this guy black does not equal white, up does not equal down, and straw does not equal gold. It has been twenty damned years and you are LITERALLY lower than the margin for error in most polls. Do you really only want to be a hobbyist OS? We retailers have been begging for changes that would make it useful for the masses and instead we find a community full of shit flinging "Go back to windblowz LOL" trolls. Why do you think we ignore you? It is because YOU DO NOT LISTEN. If you ignore the train barreling down the track you deserve to get hit, try not to make a mess when that iShiny coming down the tracks followed by the 4 o'clock WinTrain runs your ass down, okay?

I'm sure Warner hopes not, as they've admitted they filed false takedown requests.

Would you like some links to back it up friend? i just LOOOVE how the FOSSies mod down anyone who isn't sucking the Koolaid, tell me friend, is it cherry? Does it smell like the bullshit you've been spewing?

Riddle me this smart guy, do you HONESTLY think I can get BETTER results than one of the biggest OEMs on the entire planet, who has to run their own repos even though we are talking a teeny tiny subset of hardware? Oh right because if they don't Linux shits itself and dies if you use the default repos!

If you would like some more just ask, i can wallpaper it with retailers, OEMs, users, all who have found out that my "is it safe?" test, which BTW I bet my last dollar you do NOT have the balls to try yourself, is 100% accurate. You upgrade Linux and shits breaks like its 1995, which funny you should bring up that date because that is about where Linux seems to be at now, with a GUI shell over a CLI OS just like...Windows 95!

So please don 't be afraid to ask, I'll be happy to give you so many links of Linux fails it'll take you a week to sort them all. But instead you'll hide your head under your tux blankie and say 'Leave poor Tux alone, you must be a M$ Ninja you dirty poo poo head!".

But don't blame me because your shit be stankin', try it yourself if you dare, try the "is it safe" test with the distro of your choice and watch, Linux fall down and go BOOM!

Wow I hadn't thought of NeXT (yes I am old enough to remember who it was written, man I wanted one of those cubes back in the day!) since jobs went to Apple. and while i have no idea how it handles (don't have any spare PCs ATM) All I want is a nice, simple, GUI based, pretty OS that I can guarantee will actually update for the next 7 years without crapping over its own drivers and choking, is that so much to ask for? you mentioned XP but I have XP boxes in the field that's been there since 2001, that is 11 years, THREE service packs, and about 1500 updates and NO driver failures, and NO CLI fixes required. the most I had to do to them was upgrade the RAM when it got cheap. Hell I have a customer that just NOW retired the Win2k box i built him in 2000!

Oh and finally as for your XP instruction given by the ISP? That is caused from something going badly wrong NOT from the OS simply updating itself! There is a BIG difference from needing CLI because you had a network outage and needing CLI because you dared to apply updates, totally different things. if the only time I needed CLI was when the network went down in Linux? I'd have NO problem with that. But when Dell has to run their own repos because even THEY can't get decent enough QA in Linux to keep their machines running without custom building their own distro? I'd say there be trouble in paradise friend.

All I want is a distro that will work and KEEP working without my customers having to drop into term for the life of the box or 7 years, whichever comes first. Is that REALLY too much to ask for? And I don't care if they have to upgrade once a year or two as long as the upgrade process is as simple as "click button, let it do its thing, reboot". But at least in my experience it has been "run upgrade, reboot, find broken hardware, enjoy three days of trying to get it to work again, oh and enjoy the forum hunts".

The reason I'm against CLI is because frankly i think its become a crutch. The GUI is a second class citizen compared to "open up bash and type" which is treated as the number 42 in Linux. So I truly hope that somebody proves me wrong, I truly hope that by 2014 when me and hundreds of thousands of retailers are sitting on pallets full of XP boxes and laptops they'll be a version of Linux we can just slap on and sit in the window. But so far I've gone through over a half a dozen and have yet to find one that would fit the bill. I might give GNUSTEP a spin when the next load comes through in a week or two, but it'll have to have Flash support and be able to work with all the major sites like FB for it to work for my customers.

So a user states a simple need, one filled by the competitor for a decade, and in less than five posts he gets insulted before getting the classic use esoteric workarounds followed by you giving him a snarky version of the also classic you don't need that, and you wonder why Linux is stuck at 1%?

Waste your mod points all you want but this is a truth that needs to be spoken, it is THIS, this right here, that keeps Linux in last place. Somewhere along the way making F/LOSS accessible to the masses was thrown to the wayside in favor of the "FLOSSie club" as I call it, where You must prove your "worthy" of using the gifts the great Torvalds and RMS have bestowed upon thee. In this club anything that makes F/LOSS more useful, easier, and friendlier? why that is bad, its "rampant consumerism" or "dumbing down" and anything that makes Linux more complex, obtuse, or fiddly is "smarter" and "more powerful". I have actually been told by a member of the FLOSSie club when i pointed out that Linux was too CLI heavy for my consumers "to make them embrace the power of CLI" like its the Goddamn force!

Never before in all of history has things been more favorable to your OS in the consumer market, you are being given multiple great gifts yet are just pissing them away. You have Windows 8, or "Ballmer's Folly" that is gonna make Vista look like XP, you have nearly 400 million laptops and netbooks and desktops that are gonna be EOLed that are frankly insanely overpowered for what the vast majority do with computers, and finally you have a populace that lives and breathes online. while the business market still has tons of proprietary apps if your OS can get to FaceBook, play Farmville and Angry Birds you have covered more than 80% of the home users right there!

But what do you do with these great gifts? do you ask the fundamental questions, which for an OS that has been around 20 years and is still lower than the margin for error shouldn't even have to be uttered? Do you ask "What am I doing wrong that my competitors are doing right?". Nope, because thanks to this new "club" mentality those users are "noobs" and not worthy of the usage of your "blessed" OS, they aren't worthy of joining the clic. Instead you expect the entire planet to do things YOUR way, arrogant much?

A wise person once said "You know what the definition of insanity is? Its doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result" and that is EXACTLY what the community has been doing. Insane release schedule, broken drivers, none of that matter because the users will embrace the power of CLI and learn "the Unix way" even though Unix was NEVER supposed to be a consumer OS and died out over a decade ago!

I wise man would look at those linux TMs and others on that site and learn from them. Every one of them is based on the constant stream of excuses and accusations thrown by those in the club. I'm sure if one were to look at it one would see the same ones being used here over and over AND OVER. But numbers don't lie folks, never before in history have things been more favorable to your OS but everyone from Walmart to the little shops like mine treat your OS like the plague, why? Do you honestly believe Steve Ballmer is giving us all Swiss Bank accounts?

No it is because you do NOT listen. you don't listen to the users, you don't listen to the OEMs, you don't listen to the little retailers like me, or even the giant OEMs like Dell who has to run their own repos at not inconsiderable expense and just for a teeny tiny subset of hardware, simply to have functional drivers. look, listen, learn from your competitors and offer a better product. Its business 101 folks but if you continue to treat Linux as an exclusive club instead? you have nobody to blame whe

"(HTC) announced that its third quarter profit was NT$18.68bn, a 68 per cent increase from the same quarter in 2010"
http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/2121366/htc-causes-sensation-68-cent-rise-profits

Apple but clearly competing companies are making massive profits from Android

Or... Apple took 2/3rds of the profits of the entire mobile sector (including featurephones and "dumbphones"). Samsung, HTC, and others may have shipped more phones, but they're making far less money per phone than Apple.

Like how Apple can sell 1/10th the number of computers Dell does, but yet rake in far more revenue from computers alone than Dell does.

And Android's huge in China. Shipments from HTC/ZTE/others won't show it, but it's because most Android phones run AOSP. AOSP is pretty big - anyone with design chops can plop in a cheap processor, some memory, and do the Android build for it. Doesn't matter if it's 1.5, 1.6, 2.1, 2.2 or 2.3 - whichever works well enough to ship. Sure they won't have Google apps, but there's alternative marketplaces, and many of them (besides serving up all the Android malware) offer "free" apps.

Heck, the Chinese might be more familiar with AOSP and their marketplaces than official Android. Hell, the first complaint of Android malware came from "unofficial Chinese marketplaces" - that should give you an indication just how big Android is. HTC and others might actually have a harder time because they have to compete against AOSP phones with preloaded marketplaces and stuff.

Exactly what I was going to say...

And another reason this is a relatively meaningless metric: in many cases this is an apples to oranges [sorry, obvious pun ;) ] comparison. iPhone retail prices (and discounted prices) are much higher than the average HTC phone retail/discount prices, and so Apple's profit margin (and total profit) are in another league from its competitors...

"(HTC) announced that its third quarter profit was NT$18.68bn, a 68 per cent increase from the same quarter in 2010"
http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/2121366/htc-causes-sensation-68-cent-rise-profits

Apple but clearly competing companies are making massive profits from Android

Actually I'm having quite good luck with my customers and the new AMD APUs, they all just love it. I think the problem with the netbook market is in the race to the bottom too many chose Atom and as a CPU Atom is just a really bad joke. without Nvidia (which intel slit their own throats and killed their Atom market by cutting off Nvidia from further chipsets) boosting the Atom with ION frankly even 720p on those is just painful and anything more than web surfing is a skippy mess. With the Brazos chips, which i was impressed enough I sold my Athlon X2 MSI wind and got one, the CPU is powerful enough the machine feels snappy and the GPU lets you even run HDMI into a TV and do full 1080p without dropping frames.

But what killed Linux on netbooks is something that too many in the community brag about which is frankly insane instability and constant changes in the entire OS from the kernel on up which causes Dell to have to run their own repos and pay their own distro team, which i'm sure is a not inconsiderable cost, just to keep the OS running. Run the default repo? the drivers shit themselves and die hard. You can't have a product that you can't even update without it killing itself, it makes you look like a Mickey Mouse operation, it pisses the customers off when they find their laptop is broken, and you end up with egg on your face and a shitload of returns.

That is why one of two things need to happen if Linux is gonna gain REAL share. 1.-The crazy kernel and release schedule will have to be abandoned for an OEM friendly 5 year release cycle with ALL the OS and software sticking to that schedule and for business use 10 years would be more like it, or 2.-Torvalds has to go and a kernel ABI (which is currently used by Apple, MSFT, BSD, Solaris, even OS/2) is deployed so frankly it doesn't matter what happens in the kernel or userland, the underlying drivers "just work" so the user frankly doesn't notice and some kernel which fixes a race condition or security issue doesn't take a big wet dump on their wireless.

Because lets be brutally honest folks: The users out there couldn't give a crap about 'free as in freedom' and sure as hell aren't gonna jump through any hoops or deal with any grievances just to have it, for proof one just has to look at the Apple bottom line and the lines around the block when a new iShiny is released. Folks want simple, they want easy, they want hand holding, they want ALL GUI, NO CLI, and they want it to "just work".

And while strides have been made in that area frankly there is a long way to go and those further strides will have to be made while actively fighting the "STFU Noobs and go back to windblowz LOL!" trolls that seem to have infested too much of the community who consider it their sacred duty to run off those that don't do things "the Linux way". But as Tom pointed out while the Linux way has been successful in server and embedded markets that success simply hasn't carried over to the consumer market, and that is because that is a whole different ball game with different rules and needs. trying to force the Linux way of doing things on that market simply ends in failure, which is why so far the ONLY success of Linux in that arena has been by Google who are killing themselves (last i heard development was nearly a billion a year) to make Linux as UN-Linux-like as possible.

Canonical previously announced that their distro was being preloaded on three ASUS netbooks. That was in August. Didn't happen.

Canonical issued that Linux press release, but Asus never said they were going to ship those machines with Linux. Canonical has no credibility.

Actually I just like pointing out that retards like you have taken over the Linux community and are frankly doing a better job of making sure Linux goes nowhere than MSFT could ever DREAM of doing, I mean I can give plenty of proof of the uberfails, such as Dell having to run their own repos even though we are talking a teeny tiny subset of hardware? Oh right because Linux shits itself and dies if you use the default repos! How about how a decade old Windows beat the shit out of Linux on netbooks or how ASUS has given up on your bullshit or how about Walmart running away from linux as fast as it can? yet do you have enough sense to LEARN from your mistakes? To ask "What are we doing wrong that the competition is doing right"? Of course not, hell you can't even copypasta correctly! Instead you'll scream "They are noobs, we're leet!" while whacking off to the latest bash handbook.

Yet here you are, being given gift after gift by the competition and what do you do? scream "I'm leet!" and shoot yourselves in the face while whacking off to a bash script, I mean you aren't even smart enough to copypasta a single sentence correctly yet to expect the masses to sit around and copypasta pages of CLI mess? And you wonder why you are dead fucking last? Hell you are actually lower than JavaME and there is a whole website dedicated To your bullshit and excuses. Have you seen that site? It is a WHOLE SITE dedicated to NOTHING but laughing at you and your kind and you know what? Its pretty damned funny!

So please go ahead, i consider it a wonderful chance to educate people on what pathetic failure losers like you have caused the community as a whole. Once upon a time they were making progress, but now there is nothing left of the community but pathetic fat losers like yourself that somehow thinks being able to copypasta into a term somehow makes you "better" than everyone else and that it is your duty to run off the "noobs" but you know what? You are just shooting yourselves in the face,making sure Linux NEVER gains any share, the hardware OEMs won't support you, and that mainstream users treat your OS like toxic waste, and i find that quite hilarious.

MILLIONS of manhours dedicated to linux, TWENTY YEARS of hard work, what do you have to show? you are less than the margin for error, and in large part it is due to douchebags like you that make Linux look like the home of fat losers and trolls. Bravo sir, MSFT couldn't ask for a better useful idiot than yourself. You really should ask them to pay you, after all the village idiot used to get coins thrown at him, didn't he?

BWA HA HA HA HA AH HA HA HA....damn, that is funny! That is why my 70 year old dad, faced with NOTHING but a Windows 7 disc and a blank computer had no sound and everything broke....oh wait a tick, it ALL "just worked" and took less than 15 minutes. The worst question it asked him? "Are you at home or at work?" so it could set up the firewall rules. hell it even popped up a little message on first boot that said "You don't have an antivirus, would you like me to show you a page with several different antivirus programs to choose from?" and gave him a choice of free and pay AV.

I'm sorry but until you can hand someone a blank machine and a Linux CD and with NO googling or forum dances or anything else have them able to install AND update it without broken hardware? that would be a fail.Go to ANY forum, your choice, and look at the pages and pages of hardware fails. the sad part? Most of it is what I call the 80% hardware, that's the hardware that is on 80%+ of machines and should NEVER break on initial install, the Realtek, SiS, broadcom, aetheros, and the big three GPUs.

But now instead of facing the fact your driver model be busted you'll just insult me, or make excuses. Its the OEMs fault, its the hardware manufacturers fault, its everyone else's fault. you know what they say about excuses and assholes right? A final little fact you can't excuse, the fact that Dell has to run their own repos even though they only offer Linux on a TEENY TINY SUBSET of their hardware. you know why they have to run their own repos friend? because one of the top four OEMs on the planet can't even run the default repos on a tiny subset because the drivers in linux shit themselves and die hard if they do. explain THAT away friend. Linux has better hardware support....BWA HA HA HA HA!

Notice I got modded down and will CONTINUE to get modded down for at least two days in unrelated subjects? This is what I find funny about the teabagger wing of the FOSSies, they think by burying anything that isn't "Gee isn't Linux perfect for the world? Why it sure is Skip, and RMS's farts smells like roses and cure AGW!" they can magically "make it not true! make it all go away, I can't hear you la la la!".

But the funny thing about the truth, one can always produce facts to back it up. Like how Dell have to run their own repos because the current driver model is so fucked up that if they dare to run the default repos the machines will shit all over themselves. not opinion, cold hard fact. How about how a decade old Windows beat the shit out of Linux on netbooks which should tell you something, when people would rather have a decade old fisher price GUI than the latest and greatest because its too fiddly and a PITA, or how about how the ones that invented the netbook ASUS has given up on the bullshit? I would bet my last dollar their support costs were THROUGH THE ROOF because of "update foo broke my stuff!" along with having to try to walk someone through a three page CLI "fix" over the phone. I bet the metrics on the calls were just nuts, or how about the kings of "low price at all costs" Walmart running away from Linux as fast as it can which again I bet my last dollar the support costs killed it. don't see that with the iShiny, even though that is about as unfamiliar a UI as you could get for a lifelong Windows user you do you? Maybe because they make it intuitive and easy instead of flipping the user the bird and typing "RTFM Windblowz Luserz LOL!"? How about how the community has the nerve to actually CELEBRATE 1% market share like that is something to be proud of when IRL after TWENTY YEARS of work Linux is actually lower than JavaME and the craziness and logic hoop jumping by the lunatic fringe has gotten so bad there is actually a website that turns the bullshit and excuses into memes which you then see once you know what to look for over and over AND OVER again.

You see, that is the thing about the truth, they can call me "nigger cocksucker faggot" all day long, aka shill troll astroturfer but you know what? It doesn't make black into white, up into down, nor can it change a single number or add a single user to the crazy parade. We retailers have been fucking BEGGING you to straighten your shit and give us some real choice, we have practically DRAWN YOU A MAP and handed you a GPS to keep you from getting off track, and now the competition is gonna give you a fricking 60 yard head start in the hundred meters by shooting itself in the foot TWICE with the fucked Windows 8 GUI and all those late model P4s and early dual cores being EOLed that could play farmville and run FB just fine.

NEVER BEFORE IN HISTORY has so much been in your favor, your competition is run by an idiot, now more than ever before the world is doing more and more of their work and play exclusively online, and the visionary behind the second front has died and left a vacuum that they may not be able to fill. Oh and the economy sucks so folks want to save money and are willing to try things that will help them do so. You have the market wide open, the field is yours, so what do you do? say "Don't look at me!" and promptly start waving a gun around the track while masturbating to a Bash script.

But you've run out of exc

Must not be on a laptop then, as I have found exactly ONE distro that worked OOTB on wireless and sadly Ubuntu wasn't it. Xandros Linux worked OOTB on all four laptops I threw at it, but since it was $89 an install and Windows 7 HP is like $35 when you buy the 3 pack it ended up being pointless.

And I don't know how many times I can say this, you seem to be a nice guy so I'm gonna assume its not on purpose. You yourself admit you're an admin, yes?that's fine, hell I use CLI for IPConf, but you know what? NOT TALKING ABOUT GEEKS here, because Linux has ZERO growth factor for geeks, the geeks that want it already have it, those that don't? Happy where they are.

I'm talking about the people i work for 6 days a week, your mailman, your landlady, the checkout girl at the grocery store. Now be honest somersault , do you think any of those folks have EVER used start>>>run for anything? Hell most late model XP Dells didn't even come with start>run in XP Home and NOBODY noticed. Did you? I didn't until I needed to IPConf and had to remember to go use the GUI because the start didn't have it. It does show though how little that's used by home users when many PCs don't even have it and nobody notices.

And I still stand by my statement that for home users there is NO CLI in windows, it doesn't exist. they don't use it, they don't need it, you could strip it out tomorrow and nobody would notice. Now compare that to Ubuntu, go to their forum and ask for a NON CLI solution to ANY problem, see what you get. you'll get insulted, you'll get cursed, you'll get treated like shit by elitist fucks.

Here is my other little test that shows, at least for retail, Linux isn't ready. Take ANY distro, your choice friend, download the ISO from 5 years ago (that would be Ubuntu 6 if you use Ubuntu i do believe), get everything working, NOW upgrade it to current, see how much is broke. I had exactly ONE, count 'em one, PC survive two upgrades, NONE survived upgrading to current with 100% hardware working, not one. Hell don't take MY word for it, how do you explain Dell have to run their own repos even though we are talking a teeny tiny subset of hardware? Its because everybody cranks out new code without bothering with even basic QA friend, that's why. Expecting a minimum of 7 years frankly ought to SOP, hell even Vista is getting 5+ and nobody bought it.

In the end I think the problem with Linux is threefold, 1.-the elitist assholes that think CLI gives them gonad powerz and all that don't want to learn Bash commands must be idiots. yeah I don't see them loading their kernels with punch cards, do you? And why aren't their apps in ASM, after all ALL languages since ASM has been to make things easier, get PEEKing and POKEing!

2.-Can't see the forest for the BS. As I said there is this great new thing that could put Linux in front of millions without even them knowing! Its fast, simple, easy, gives them MORE battery life or in the case of desktops lets them surf or enjoy media with SSD speed, yet the community ignores it. And for what? Every other attempt has failed miserably, Linux is flatline, same numbers this year as last, the only real gains are coming from dictatorships that want to do a China and put "Red Flag watch your ass" Linux on everything. with Expressgate/Splashtop you could actually do what the community has wanted for years, put Linux in the hands of millions, but because it is easy? See reason 1 as to why it won't get traction.

3.-the final nail in the coffin, one I can't see an easy way to fix, the "busted shitter" problem. everybody wants to be the guy who makes the cool discovery, everybody wants to be the star, how many want to fix busted shitters? try NONE. this is why Apple and MSFT have to pay out millions to coders, because bug fixing and serious documentation and QA? Its all slow, long, boring as watching flies fuck and thankless work. MSFT and Apple PAY to get that work done

Awww...is the poor wittle Lunix Luser getting butt hurt he is STILL in last place and getting beat down by JavaME which is a shitastic cell phone OS? NEWSFLASH STUPID: You don't give the people what they want? THEY WILL IGNORE YOU. And hey guess what? That is EXACTLY what they have done! Now lets let everyone enjoy your daily dose of fail, shall we fucknuts?

Isn't it sad, how like a frightened child afraid to look under the bed, you cower at the truth? if your driver model isn't shit then why does Dell have to run their own repos even though we are talking a teeny tiny subset of hardware? Oh right because Linux shits itself and dies if you use the default repos! Man that is some excellent product you got there! you think I can get better QA than the third largest OEM on the planet? What, you expect me to tell paying customers "Go to the forum, kiss some loser ass, and maybe, just maybe, in a few days someone will have mercy and give you a big pile of bullshit that may or may not make your sound work again"?

Bleeding yet douchey? want some more? nice thing about having the truth on your side, you can keep throwing punches all day! How about how a decade old Windows beat the shit out of Linux on netbooks or how ASUS has given up on your bullshit or how about Walmart running away from linux as fast as it can? You got the crazy koolaid drunk enough to say they ALL are paid shills because they won't do your forum dance or CLI horseshit? Meanwhile your "hero" Torvalds the great says Plans? We don't need no steenkin plans!. Why don't you tell them that at work next week, see how quick you get a pink slip? More? How about you actually have the balls to celebrate getting a whole 1% market share while you are actually lower than JavaME and there is a whole website dedicated To your bullshit and excuses .

You see you whiny little delusional mama's boy, I'm your worst fucking nightmare...a retailer that still believes. I believe that the community doesn't have to take Torvalds shit sandwiches, I believe that things can be made better, I believe Linux can be something for more than douchebags like you that will happily take a cock slapping from linus as long as you can say you are sticking to "teh man". I believe that there can be Linux boxes on actual shelves and penguins on boxes.

So you go hide now mama's boy, you hide with your Tux blankie and keep saying your magical nigger nigger faggot, or should I say shill shill astroturfer, like it is a magical word that will make all the bad go away. But it won't change reality and the reality is your driver model is shit and more than 15 years behind everyone else and that is why retailers like me wouldn't piss on it, not some mythical money truck that sneaks up to my door in the middle of the night. So go compile something and leave the men to talk about the real world, okay little girl?

STILL to afraid to post the correct quote huh? Afraid? For those that would like to know HERE is the whole quote and I DARE anyone to prove me wrong: as far as the user is concerned there is NO CLI in Windows and ANYONE with a brain (except fucknuts here, who was trying to insist that users launch programs by using start>>>run) would know THAT IS A FACT. Try it yourself, walk up to the next dozen people you see on the street and ask them "How do you get command line in Windows?" and they'll say "What is command line?" Because UNLIKE LINUX you do NOT NEED CLI IN WINDOWS. Don't blame me YOU HAVE A BROKEN OS fucknuts, I didn't design the POS.

As for TFA, somebody forget to cut the congressman a check? This is different than Yahoo, Google, Opera, MSFT....how exactly? Hell you have FB tracking you, Google getting every search, going though your Gmails, hell they can probably tell you your favorite color and what you like to have for breakfast. So NOW they want to complain?

Either they come up with MASSIVE new legislation to protect against the huge amount of privacy violations being done by every. single. Internet. company. or they are just blowing smoke. I wouldn't be surprised if they are pissed the Amazon data isn't going through the little back room at AT&T they were so quick to give retroactive immunity to AT&T for.

Oh and a final gift for fucknuts, here is some of the companies that have abandoned Linux, maybe you have heard of a few of them? Like ASUS who has given up on your bullshit or Walmart running away from linux as fast as it can? Could it be because they don't want to run their own repos Dell has to to keep Linux from shitting itself?. You've lost, give it up. Even for free you can't give that POS away, you are even lower than JavaME. Nobody wants it, nobody runs it, hell you celebrate when you get a lousy 1% market share. Face it you couldn't give it away in a prison wrapped in pardons. Stick a fork baby, its done.

Nice answer fucknuts, no proof, not even any experience with the product, just "nu uh!". And this is from an idiot that doesn't even know how to quote correctly so what should anyone expect?

Now let us see what he is AFRAID TO SHOW YOU because it is the TRUTH. The CORRECT quote is "As far as the user is concerned there is NO CLI in windows" and I DARE anyone to prove me wrong. walk up to 100 people in the street and ask them "How do you call up command line in Windows" and you know what you are gonna get? "Whats a command line" Because windows DON'T NEED A SHITTY TERMINAL just to do the tasks 99.995% of the population does. Linux? Puts the terminal on the desktop, why? Because YOU HAVE NO CHOICE. Its a SERVER OS that has been BADLY hacked to pretend to be a desktop OS, but in the end? Its ALL CLI. Here fucknuts, enjoy your fail...

Isn't it sad, how like a frightened child afraid to look under the bed, you cower at the truth? if your driver model isn't shit then why does Dell have to run their own repos even though we are talking a teeny tiny subset of hardware? Oh right because Linux shits itself and dies if you use the default repos! Man that is some excellent product you got there! you think I can get better QA than the third largest OEM on the planet? What, you expect me to tell paying customers "Go to the forum, kiss some loser ass, and maybe, just maybe, in a few days someone will have mercy and give you a big pile of bullshit that may or may not make your sound work again"?

Bleeding yet douchey? want some more? nice thing about having the truth on your side, you can keep throwing punches all day! How about how a decade old Windows beat the shit out of Linux on netbooks or how ASUS has given up on your bullshit or how about Walmart running away from linux as fast as it can? You got the crazy koolaid drunk enough to say they ALL are paid shills because they won't do your forum dance or CLI horseshit? Meanwhile your "hero" Torvalds the great says Plans? We don't need no steenkin plans!. Why don't you tell them that at work next week, see how quick you get a pink slip? More? How about you actually have the balls to celebrate getting a whole 1% market share while you are actually lower than JavaME and there is a whole website dedicated To your bullshit and excuses .

You see you whiny little delusional mama's boy, I'm your worst fucking nightmare...a retailer that still believes. I believe that the community doesn't have to take Torvalds shit sandwiches, I believe that things can be made better, I believe Linux can be something for more than douchebags like you that will happily take a cock slapping from linus as long as you can say you are sticking to "teh man". I believe that there can be Linux boxes on actual shelves and penguins on boxes. But here enjoy some of the wisdom of the great RMS and maybe you'll feel better

Considering you're the dipshit that can't even quote correctly? Glass houses and all that. at least have the balls to use the correct quote which is "As far as the users are concerned there is no command line in Windows" and I fucking dare you to prove me wrong. Walk up to the next 100 people on the street and ask them dipshit, ask them "How do you get the command line in Windows?" and you know what they'll say? "what's command line?" because nobody uses that shit in windows dumbass, nobody.

But hey, if you want to be IN DENIAL that your OS doesn't fucking work without a 70s era term, that companies like Dell have to run their own repos even though they only offer Linux on a teeny tiny subset of hardware because Linux shits itself and dies if you use the default repos (quality OS you got there friend), that your brand new OS got its ass beat by a decade old OS on netbooks, that major retailers like Walmart are running away from Linux as fast as it can and that even the company that started netbooks with Linux have given up on your CLI heavy bullshit, or that there is even a site dedicated To your bullshit and excuses? Who am I to deny you your illusion?

Now you be sure to tell us how its all a conspiracy of Gates and the Illuminati, that anyone who isn't sucking the koolaid must be a "sekret M$ Ninja!" getting paid the big bux to keep your magical OS down, that if folks would just heed the great RMS the world would be flowers and ponies. it couldn't be that NOBODY WANTS TO GO BACK TO THE 70s! Nope, folks love punch cards and PDPs! CLI makes your neckbeard thick and gives you gonad powerz!

Kinda funny how the ONLY success Linux has seen is Android, which google took away from the community huh? and what IS Android? Why its all GUI, no CLI, all clicky clicky wonderful, that's what it is! So have the balls to quote me correctly or are you afraid I'm right?

The parent post is from Alex Belits, a jobless Linux astroturfer. Last time he submitted his resume to anyone was when he tried to be Linus Torvalds bootlicker and was turned down for drool.

See how nicely that fits there loony tunes? Oh and I'm not working for anyone but myself, I am your worst nightmare...I'm a retailer. you see we have tried your product and found your bullshit and lies to be just that so maybe you'd like me to enlighten some of the masses, hmm?,

Isn't it sad, how like a frightened child afraid to look under the bed, you cower at the truth? if your driver model isn't shit then why does Dell have to run their own repos even though we are talking a teeny tiny subset of hardware? Oh right because Linux shits itself and dies if you use the default repos! Man that is some excellent product you got there! Bleeding yet douchey? want some more? nice thing about having the truth on your side, you can keep throwing punches all day! How about how a decade old Windows beat the shit out of Linux on netbooks or how ASUS has given up on your bullshit or how about Walmart running away from linux as fast as it can? You got the crazy koolaid drunk enough to say they ALL are paid shills because they won't do your forum dance or CLI horseshit? Meanwhile your "hero" Torvalds the great says Plans? We don't need no steenkin plans!. Why don't you tell them that at work next week, see how quick you get a pink slip? More? How about you actually have the balls to celebrate getting a whole 1% market share while you are actually lower than JavaME and there is a whole website dedicated To your bullshit and excuses.

Meanwhile i'll go back to enjoying my nice new Asus EEE Windows 7 HP netbook, which I got myself as a little prezzie with some of the profits I made from NOT carrying an inferior product. If you don't like being last? Try putting out a product worth actually stocking. You know what you remind me of? A religious nutball. When someone points out a hole in your dogma you go "La la la, it can't be true! U must be a M$ Ninja!" while we all laugh at your batshit insanity. But hey friend here is a nice video of your hero RMS showing why he is the great one so that should cheer you up.

Nice try, Ballmer.

The parent post is from Alex Belits, a jobless Linux astroturfer. Last time he submitted his resume to anyone was when he tried to be Linus Torvalds bootlicker and was turned down for drool.

See how nicely that fits there loony tunes? Oh and I'm not working for anyone but myself, I am your worst nightmare...I'm a retailer. you see we have tried your product and found your bullshit and lies to be just that so maybe you'd like me to enlighten some of the masses, hmm?,

Isn't it sad, how like a frightened child afraid to look under the bed, you cower at the truth? if your driver model isn't shit then why does Dell have to run their own repos even though we are talking a teeny tiny subset of hardware? Oh right because Linux shits itself and dies if you use the default repos! Man that is some excellent product you got there! Bleeding yet douchey? want some more? nice thing about having the truth on your side, you can keep throwing punches all day! How about how a decade old Windows beat the shit out of Linux on netbooks or how ASUS has given up on your bullshit or how about Walmart running away from linux as fast as it can? You got the crazy koolaid drunk enough to say they ALL are paid shills because they won't do your forum dance or CLI horseshit? Meanwhile your "hero" Torvalds the great says Plans? We don't need no steenkin plans!. Why don't you tell them that at work next week, see how quick you get a pink slip? More? How about you actually have the balls to celebrate getting a whole 1% market share while you are actually lower than JavaME and there is a whole website dedicated To your bullshit and excuses.

Meanwhile i'll go back to enjoying my nice new Asus EEE Windows 7 HP netbook, which I got myself as a little prezzie with some of the profits I made from NOT carrying an inferior product. If you don't like being last? Try putting out a product worth actually stocking. You know what you remind me of? A religious nutball. When someone points out a hole in your dogma you go "La la la, it can't be true! U must be a M$ Ninja!" while we all laugh at your batshit insanity. But hey friend here is a nice video of your hero RMS showing why he is the great one so that should cheer you up.

What you say may be true. I work for a startup that started in Santa Clara CA. This is their world headquarters. They have many manufacturing plants world wide. The bean counters decide where it is good to build plants based on the people and the economy. If California were so great, you would expect plenty of new plants to take advantage of the opportunity and resources there.

In reality there are NO new plants in California and resulting jobs for California. This does not mean they are not expanding and building new plants. They have been having record quarters lately with quarters over 20 Billion in revenue.

So where are the manufacturing plants that are recently built or are being built?
http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/1011245/intel-fab-israel
http://www.oregonlive.com/business/index.ssf/2010/10/intels_new_hillsboro_factory_w.html
http://newsroom.intel.com/community/intel_newsroom/blog/2011/02/18/intel-to-invest-more-than-5-billion-to-build-new-factory-in-arizona
http://semimd.com/blog/2011/09/13/intel-mum-about-capex-ireland-fab-plans/

The headquarters is here.
2200 Mission College Blvd, Santa Clara, CA 95054-1549

What have they recently built in California?
http://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/company-overview/intel-museum.html

California has published their rated for doing business in California. Businesses shop for places that are business friendly.

California may have great opportunities, but for many the pasture is greener elsewhere.

This is only one example. There are many more.

Intel simply doesn't want to pay for patents on ideas generates with its financial support. Here's the precedent they are trying to prevent from happening again: http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/1557536/intel-settles-university-wisconsin

This. Mod parent up.

Intel simply doesn't want to pay for patents on ideas generates with its financial support. Here's the precedent they are trying to prevent from happening again: http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/1557536/intel-settles-university-wisconsin

Android market 200% in 12 months, Apple panics

According to http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/2106625/android-market-share-doubles-apple-ios-falls-cent

"Apple's IOS operating system (OS) has fallen eight per cent in popularity over the last year, while Google's Android OS market share has doubled"

Apple is a sore little pesky bastard. The iPad tablets they have produced have been around for decades as precursors, and for millennia (or millenniums, if you prefer) as design cues.

There must be some reason why Samsung decides not to fight back much harder, the initial arguments is on their side. There is a secret agenda or clue somewhere. For now, I have no idea.

So your reply is...bullshit,bullshit,bullshit and bullshit, correct? I gave you my answer as to ABIs, give me a single reason why EVERYONE ELSE ON THE PLANET is wrong and you are right. Give me a SINGLE EXAMPLE of the magical never break drivers that are called for in that religious text. Hey if that technique works there must be thousands of those that exist, yes? the kernel hackers have had the code FOR YEARS NOW so they must have the 80% in never break quality yes? but guess what Sparky THEY BREAK CONSTANTLY which shows that kernel dev was talking out his ass. Do you REALLY think he is smarter than the entire kernel teams for OSX, Windows, OS/2, Solaris, BSD, etc? I repeat, arrogant much?

And did you even read the post above me? How the guy had enterprise hardware and is stuck with an old kernel because guess what THE DRIVERS ARE BROKEN for ALL the new kernels? Care to tell HIM he should throw away thousands of dollars in hardware? It is THIS arrogant elitist horseshit without the code to back it up that helps keep people as far away from your shitpile OS as possible! With Windows you get a MINIMUM of 8 YEARS of support, often longer. Your OS? You can't even give me a 100% guarantee the stuff you have running now will continue running in 6 months! Yep, sure gonna lure the masses with that level of QA buddy. And oh yeah all those OSes are complete shit, even though most have quite huge numbers, why they just don't know how sweet the Linux koolaid is do they daddy-o? Doesn't matter that their drivers actually WORK and CONTINUE WORKING because CLI gives you gonad powers!

Which brings us to the two bad jokes of your religion, the "Linux is a kernel" and "CLI gives you gonad powers" jokes. you DO realize I can replace every. single. argument. that you have made with the appropriate Linux TM yes? Do you know why that is? Because after all these years you've been coming up with the same tired old horseshit about how it is everyone's fault but yours, how if people would only "embrace the power of CLI" like it is the God damned force that the world would be hearts and flowers. But you know what? NUMBERS DO NOT LIE and you have NOTHING to show for damned near 20 years of work! Read it and weep fucking JavaME is kicking your ass! Don't feel even a little bit ashamed at such shit numbers? or do you think being a dead end with less numbers than a shit cellphone OS just makes you "leet" and connects you to the neckbeards of old, when IRL all you do is copypasta into a term ?

I'll repeat this until it sinks in, i'll even highlight it, Do you know what the definition of insanity is? It is doing the same thing and expecting a different outcome and that is EXACTLY what you and the community have been doing for damned near a decade now. What were your numbers 3 years ago? why they were at 1%. What will your numbers be 3 years from now? I bet my last dollar they'll be 1%. It don't take Kojak to solve this case, and it isn't some conspiracy by Gates and the Illuminati, nor is it payoffs to the OEMs that ended over a decade ago.

Now it is the fact that YOU DON'T LISTEN, not to your customers, nor to the OEMs, nor to the retailers. Wanna read something sad? Dell the current number 3 OEM, even though they only offer Linux on a token amount of frankly outdated hardware, has to run their own repo at considerable out of pocket expense. Why is that? Because if they don't the DRIVERS DIE HARD. And you sir have NO excuse nor argument that can justify that, none at all. That is just typical shitty QA from Canonical and typical Linus Goatse bullshit. But I'm sure you'll say dell is "doin it wrong" or that every retailer and mom&pop shop on the planet should pay programmers to run their own repos so they can bless their customers with your sacred cow. But i

So one guy with a thousand fake names will get the entire run and sell them all off for $300-$400 a shot on eBay. Good, good, glad to see the system works.

Given that HP couldn't sell them at all until they dropped the price to $99... your scenario seems pretty unlikely.

I won't be surprised if someone tries to do it - but they're going to get stuck with a lot of inventory. The interest just isn't there.

What in god's name are you talking about? Do you even READ the internet?
http://www.zdnet.com/blog/btl/hp-touchpads-earning-ebay-sellers-around-150-percent-more-than-fire-sale-prices/56239
http://mobilesyrup.com/2011/08/26/humour-drawing-of-an-hp-touchpad-hits-ebay-bidding-now-over-80000/
http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/2103751/hp-touchpads-ebay

Microsoft tried Xbox Live cros platform play with Windows Live ...

* http://techcrunch.com/2010/07/21/did-microsoft-kill-xbox-livewindows-live-cross-platform-play-because-console-gamers-were-too-bad/
* http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/numb-thumbs-blog/1724432/console-gamers-pwned-pc-peers

So lets see, your response is...suckup suckup suckup, bullshit bullshit bullshit and finally "Fight teh powerz!" am I right? Sum it up?

I don't give a shit if in 1979 he invented the fucking takeout pizza okay? WTF does what he did in the past matter now? does that give him a "be a douchebag free" card? I guess it does as far as you're concerned.

And what are you fucking smoking? What corp in their right mind would be running 16 bit apps nearly 15 YEARS after support ended? Security hole much? hell why not just put some Win98 machines on the network while you're at it. Anybody who actually needs code THAT old has these wonderful things called "VMs" maybe you've heard of them? because nobody in their right mind is gonna let a gaping security hole like 16 bit crapola run on a modern desktop. Oh and how does that 16bit code run on 64bit Linux? Oh that's right IT DON'T.

And I'm about as jealous of Linus dumbass Torvalds as I am of any other cult figure, that is NOT AT ALL. If anything all I feel is pity, pity that otherwise sane people (I assume you're sane, can't tell by your post) would bend over backwards to kiss his ass and take the big steaming turds he hands you and say "Please sir, can I sniff your asshole?". FACT-It has been TWENTY YEARS and Linux is NO FURTHER on the desktop than when it started 20 YEARS AGO. FACT- OSX, BSD, Windows, hell even OS/2 have an ABI and guess what? the DRIVERS WORK which is more than can be said for Linux. But why am I wasting my breath, maybe you'd enjoy some nice copypasta where I point out what a TOTAL FAILURE LINUX IS? As for why it pisses me off, it pisses me off because it COULD be good, if it weren't for assholes like Torvalds and suckups like you. Enjoy

Isn't it sad, how like a frightened child afraid to look under the bed, you cower at the truth? if your driver model isn't shit then why does Dell have to run their own repos even though we are talking a teeny tiny subset of hardware? Oh right because Linux shits itself and dies if you use the default repos! Man that is some excellent product you got there! you think I can get better QA than the third largest OEM on the planet? What, you expect me to tell paying customers "Go to the forum, kiss some loser ass, and maybe, just maybe, in a few days someone will have mercy and give you a big pile of bullshit that may or may not make your sound work again"?

Bleeding yet douchey? want some more? nice thing about having the truth on your side, you can keep throwing punches all day! How about how a decade old Windows beat the shit out of Linux on netbooks or how ASUS has given up on your bullshit or how about Walmart running away from linux as fast as it can? You got the crazy koolaid drunk enough to say they ALL are paid shills because they won't do your forum dance or CLI horseshit? Meanwhile your "hero" Torvalds the great says Plans? We don't need no steenkin plans!. Why don't you tell them that at work next week, see how quick you get a pink slip? More? How about you actually have the balls to celebrate getting a whole 1% market share while you are actually lower than JavaME and there is a whole website dedicated To your bullshit and excuses .

You see you whiny little delusional mama's boy, I'm your worst fucking nightmare...a retailer that still believes. I believe that the community doesn't have to take Torvalds shit sandw

we're going to ask "how much energy can we save by converting [insert application of your choice] from a managed or interpreted language to a program compiled in c or c++?

Or maybe we're not. Maybe we'll end up with devices that can't run third-party native code, like BlackBerry phones, phones running Windows Phone 7,

At the rate WP7 market share is declining, it will be a rounding error. It's already down to half what it was last year, now at 1%.

However, I wasn't thinking of smartphones, but of server farms, desktops, and laptops. There are big energy savings to be had by making code faster, and native is the way to do it.

But you have a point - if your two-class divide comes about, people are going to shun the small guy or gal because his or her code will eat into their battery life.

Some survivors of Nivida would like to speak to you...

Are you SERIOUSLY that fucking deluded Lintroll? Can you not read or understand anything written unless it is posted as 'I heart lunix and suck teh cocks LOL!"? because I just fucking said MSFT DESERVED TO BE BUSTED FOR ANTITRUST you stupid RMS blowing lintroll, can't you fucking read? oh well i guess you just love being bitchslapped by some large southern manmeat, so once again i'll show what an absolute failure your OS is Enjoy and try not to drool on Linus's balls when you blow him, I hear he hates that.

Isn't it sad, how like a frightened child afraid to look under the bed, you cower at the truth? if your driver model isn't shit then why does Dell have to run their own repos even though we are talking a teeny tiny subset of hardware? Oh right because Linux shits itself and dies if you use the default repos! Man that is some excellent product you got there! you think I can get better QA than the third largest OEM on the planet? What, you expect me to tell paying customers "Go to the forum, kiss some loser ass, and maybe, just maybe, in a few days someone will have mercy and give you a big pile of bullshit that may or may not make your sound work again"?

Bleeding yet douchey? want some more? nice thing about having the truth on your side, you can keep throwing punches all day! How about how a decade old Windows beat the shit out of Linux on netbooks or how ASUS has given up on your bullshit or how about Walmart running away from linux as fast as it can? You got the crazy koolaid drunk enough to say they ALL are paid shills because they won't do your forum dance or CLI horseshit? Meanwhile your "hero" Torvalds the great says Plans? We don't need no steenkin plans!. Why don't you tell them that at work next week, see how quick you get a pink slip? More? How about you actually have the balls to celebrate getting a whole 1% market share while you are actually lower than JavaME and there is a whole website dedicated To your bullshit and excuses .

You see you whiny little delusional mama's boy, I'm your worst fucking nightmare...a retailer that still believes. I believe that the community doesn't have to take Torvalds shit sandwiches, I believe that things can be made better, I believe Linux can be something for more than douchebags like you that will happily take a cock slapping from linus as long as you can say you are sticking to "teh man". I believe that there can be Linux boxes on actual shelves and penguins on boxes.

next you will be telling me PowerPoint doesn't make you dumb after all either ;)

You're right. Powerpoint does not make you dumb. Powerpoint just makes the space shuttle crash.

Is Ubuntu 11.04 new enough for you? Sadly I can replace every single response to this thread with a meme from Linux TM repository because it is nothing but the same old shit. Ur doin it wrong, use distro X, stable kernel ABI nonsense, I can go on all day.

You want proof, proof like a bitchslap in the face that is impossible to deny? riddle me this: Why does Dell, the third largest OEM on the planet, have to waste serious money and resources maintaining a badly out of date repo of their own? Because if they don't, even though they only offer Linux on a teeny tiny subset of their hardware Linux will take a big shit on the drivers that's why!

Accept it or not but if the third largest OEM can't even make the God damned drivers work without having their own fucking development team what chance does a little guy like me have? The answer, not a snowball's chance in hell. and I just love how the SAME GUYS that say "Linux is a drop in replacement for Windows" and post all those articles that say 'have an older PC? put Linux on it and save money" will in the very next breath say "Oh well you need to only buy hardware X that is certified by whom it is supposedly certified I have NO fucking idea, but it drives a stake in that "Linux can replace Windows" bullshit doesn't it? If I have to replace more than half the parts to use your OS why would I bother?

Accept it or not, frankly I don't care. After writing articles pointing out what I needed to sell your product, practically begging on forums to get treated worse than a nigger at a Klan convention, and be modded to oblivion for daring to point out your OS has serious issues? Frankly I give up, I wouldn't take your OS if you tied $50 bills and hookers to the thing.

But be man enough to admit it is BY geeks and FOR geeks and for the average folk it is a nightmare from hell. You have a SERIOUS OPPORTUNITY coming up, WinXP gets its plugged pulled in Apr 2014. That is literally hundreds of millions of machines out there that COULD be converted if you get the shops like mine onboard. But instead you'll spout the same "ur doin it wrong, use distro x, ur a Winshill" bullshit and then be shocked! shocked I tell you! When guys like me simply add more RAM or throw out the guts of all those PCs and put boards capable of running Windows 8 in them.

Oh wow, proof that from the very beginning /. had total whackjobs! And I noticed you are TOO SCARED to post anymore unless it has left the front page. Whats the matter Alex, karma starting to suck? I guess we "super sekret M$ ninjas" smack the shit out of little blankie huggers like you. But since you like being cock slapped by the truth so much, as a public service I show your failure yet again! Enjoy!

Isn't it sad, how like a frightened child afraid to look under the bed, you cower at the truth? if your driver model isn't shit then why does Dell have to run their own repos even though we are talking a teeny tiny subset of hardware? Oh right because Linux shits itself and dies if you use the default repos! Man that is some excellent product you got there! you think I can get better QA than the third largest OEM on the planet? What, you expect me to tell paying customers "Go to the forum, kiss some loser ass, and maybe, just maybe, in a few days someone will have mercy and give you a big pile of bullshit that may or may not make your sound work again"?

Bleeding yet douchey? want some more? nice thing about having the truth on your side, you can keep throwing punches all day! How about how a decade old Windows beat the shit out of Linux on netbooks or how ASUS has given up on your bullshit or how about Walmart running away from linux as fast as it can? You got the crazy koolaid drunk enough to say they ALL are paid shills because they won't do your forum dance or CLI horseshit? Meanwhile your "hero" Torvalds the great says Plans? We don't need no steenkin plans!. Why don't you tell them that at work next week, see how quick you get a pink slip? More? How about you actually have the balls to celebrate getting a whole 1% market share while you are actually lower than JavaME and there is a whole website dedicated To your bullshit and excuses .

So you go hide now mama's boy, you hide with your Tux blankie and keep saying your magical nigger nigger faggot, or should I say shill shill astroturfer, like it is a magical word that will make all the bad go away. But it won't change reality and the reality is your driver model is shit and more than 15 years behind everyone else and that is why retailers like me wouldn't piss on it, not some mythical money truck that sneaks up to my door in the middle of the night. So go compile something and leave the men to talk about the real world, okay little girl?

Notice I dared to point out the truth and got labeled flamebait? But I have proof, proof NOBODY here can deny. Ready? If the current driver model isn't shit, why does the third largest OEM on the planet have to waste money and resources keeping their own badly out of date repos? Because if they don't, even though they offer Linux only on a teeny tiny portion of their systems the drivers die hard.

So don't blame the messenger if he points out your boss is kinda nekked, demand change. If you don't like a hardware ABI, something BTW that BSD, OSX, Solaris, Windows AND OS/2 ALL have in common? Then find another way. Hell I don't care if you have to sacrifice Linus to Cthulu if that is what it takes. Just trying to find a functional Linux in my little shop, testing on bog standard off lease office equipment, I have seen Linux drivers shit themselves over, in no particular order...ATI, Broadcom, Via, SiS, Realtek, Nvidia, Ali, Intel. hell out of all the machines I've tested on so far the ONLY MACHINE I've seen survive more than a single upgrade with ZERO driver failures or errors was a circa 1999 P3 700Mhz Intel box. Needless to say there really isn't any call for those IRL and that one ended up sent to the dump.

Whether you believe it or not (the /. current Linux loonie Alex thinks I'm a "sekret M$ Ninja!" sent to kill his precious) I would like to see this problem fixed and see Linux thrive, I really really would. I don't like paying for MS Licenses and most of what Joe average does can easily be done on Linux. but I can't have an OS where I'm gonna have to give away lifetime support because every 6 months the drivers shit themselves and die hard. And before anyone says "LTS!" that currently has less than a year and a half of support left and LTS is a codeword for "really old software" since many packages are tied to which kernel you are running.

So please fix this Linux community, have a fit at Linus or fork it away from him or whatever, because I can provide link after link after link of retailers trying and then giving up on your product and it ALWAYS comes down to support costs. Joe average isn't gonna do the forum dance or learn how to tweak lists of Bash commands so they can have working sound or Wifi every 6 months. I have 4 1.6Ghz PCs that are gonna end up in the dump right now because the costs of Windows licenses are more than they are worth and I HATE throwing away working gear. But until I can just install a Linux distro and not have to spend hours trawling forums just to make it work after 6 months? Well then I simply have no other choice.

Actually Alex I'm starting to become convinced that IT IS YOU that is working for Microsoft ZOMG! After all you are doing more to make Linux users look like completely batshit basement dwelling loonie toons than anybody since Twitter and his "It is Bill Gates and the Illuminati in a world wide conspiracy to kill FLOSS!". But hey, since you seem to enjoy being cock slapped by the truth and even after 5 WEEKS of following me around have YET to answer a single link posted on the fatal Linux driver issue? Enjoy as I bitch slap you again! No begone or I shall taunt you some more!

Isn't it sad, how like a frightened child afraid to look under the bed, you cower at the truth? if your driver model isn't shit then why does Dell have to run their own repos even though we are talking a teeny tiny subset of hardware? Oh right because Linux shits itself and dies if you use the default repos! Man that is some excellent product you got there! you think I can get better QA than the third largest OEM on the planet? What, you expect me to tell paying customers "Go to the forum, kiss some loser ass, and maybe, just maybe, in a few days someone will have mercy and give you a big pile of bullshit that may or may not make your sound work again"?

Bleeding yet douchey? want some more? nice thing about having the truth on your side, you can keep throwing punches all day! How about how a decade old Windows beat the shit out of Linux on netbooks or how ASUS has given up on your bullshit or how about Walmart running away from linux as fast as it can? You got the crazy koolaid drunk enough to say they ALL are paid shills because they won't do your forum dance or CLI horseshit? Meanwhile your "hero" Torvalds the great says Plans? We don't need no steenkin plans!. Why don't you tell them that at work next week, see how quick you get a pink slip? More? How about you actually have the balls to celebrate getting a whole 1% market share while you are actually lower than JavaME and there is a whole website dedicated To your bullshit and excuses .

So you go hide now mama's boy, you hide with your Tux blankie and keep saying your magical nigger nigger faggot, or should I say shill shill astroturfer, like it is a magical word that will make all the bad go away. But it won't change reality and the reality is your driver model is shit and more than 15 years behind everyone else and that is why retailers like me wouldn't piss on it, not some mythical money truck that sneaks up to my door in the middle of the night. So go compile something and leave the men to talk about the real world, okay little girl?

I just think it is fucking hilarious how delusional some of the nutjobs that hang around the Linux community truly are. the sad part? they aren't even the enjoyable kind of crazy, just the lame talking to themselves kind of nuts. Now twitter? Oh THERE was a great Linux nutbar! Sure he was total batshit but one could post a link and he would expertly weave it into his delusion. Look at my posting history and you can see we'll be having a discussion of trees or something else totally unrelated and here comes Alex, talking about how I must be some super secret MSFT stealth ninja, just ready to jump on "his precious" when the topic doesn't have a God damned thing to do with Linux.

But I will ALWAYS bitchslap the face of hypocrisy, and I will ALWAYS counter lies with truth, so I will consider it a public service to slap the living shit out of Alex every time he pokes his little crazy head out with his "ur a M$ Ninja!" bullshit.

And WHAT was the "great revelation" that completely shattered his delusional world? What was the dark incantation that caused him to wet his Tux blankie and go completely batshit? in a talk about various OSes I pointed out that as a retailer while I quite like the security features of Linux, and the GUIs such as LXDE and the 3.x branch of KDE are really top notch and have really nice features as well as being low resource until there is either a 7 year LTS so my customers can have a machine that is updated for a decent length (7 years is on average half of what Windows gives you but I would argue that is enough) or fix the broken driver model so that they can do in place upgrade without Linux having a coronary and keeling over, taking half the drivers with it? Then I simply can't offer it in my store as the support costs will kill my margins.

Seriously who DOESN'T know Linux has a problem with drivers breaking by now? Go to any forum you'll literally find thousands of variations on "Update foo broke my (insert driver)". Who doesn't know this? Hell even Dell, one of the largest OEMs on the entire planet, has to pay a team of developers to do nothing but keep their own repo, even though they only offer a teeny tiny subset of their catalog with Ubuntu. Why? because if they don't the drivers get shat upon and as a retailer having to spend hours or even days doing forum hunts while keeping enough loaners that customers aren't screaming down my neck would wipe my business out.

Hiding your head in the sand and going "la la la you can replace Windows with Linux and it'll all just work" won't change the fact there is a SERIOUS driver issue, nor will it change the fact that while Windows, BSD, OS/2, Solaris, and OSX ALL have a working driver ABI Linus refuses to allow Linux to have one thus making the problem worse.

So Alex can hug his piss wet Tux blankie while rocking himself and going "nigger nigger faggot!" or in the Linux version "shill shill astroturfer!" and pretending that I'm a super secret M$ stealth ninja sent to murder his precious instead of a retailer that actually got burned selling Linux but it won't change reality. So every time he pops up in a thread having nothing to do with OSes and spouts his "ur a M$ Ninja!" bullshit I will consider it a sacred duty to cockslap him with the righteous rod of truth. after all there may be those reading this that can have an affect on the Linux community and maybe they'll read the links and accept having broken drivers kills Linux as a retail OS and keeps businesses like mine from selling and supporting Linux, even when we want to.