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Re:Dapper is good, but it's not there yet.
This is one of the things that has bugged me the most about Linux distros, but it's all as a result of software patents and copyrights, not a fault of the distros.
On Ubuntu's site, there is an easy and excelent step-by-step walkthrough to get everything to work, as well as an explanation for why they legally cannot include that stuff in the core distro. RestrictedFormats. Another thing I had trouble with is getting midi to work (not sure why that didn't work out-of-the box, but Ubuntu's wiki had good instructions for getting midi files to work too. I downloaded the DVD iso and I must say, the install and desktop experience is the best I've had - Windows or Linux.
They are also in the process of trying to reach a point of automation where getting everything working is as easy as possible while still complying with the law. See RestrictedFormatsProblem and RestrictedFormatsSolutions.
And as always, if you want it done faster, feel free to lend them a hand. The solution you propose is being worked out and discussed; for starters you can look here. As far as the law goes, well, the congressional elections are coming soon (if you live in the US) so find out how your incumbent has been voting and get 'em out if you don't agree with how they've been voting on tech issues. -
Re:Dapper is good, but it's not there yet.
This is one of the things that has bugged me the most about Linux distros, but it's all as a result of software patents and copyrights, not a fault of the distros.
On Ubuntu's site, there is an easy and excelent step-by-step walkthrough to get everything to work, as well as an explanation for why they legally cannot include that stuff in the core distro. RestrictedFormats. Another thing I had trouble with is getting midi to work (not sure why that didn't work out-of-the box, but Ubuntu's wiki had good instructions for getting midi files to work too. I downloaded the DVD iso and I must say, the install and desktop experience is the best I've had - Windows or Linux.
They are also in the process of trying to reach a point of automation where getting everything working is as easy as possible while still complying with the law. See RestrictedFormatsProblem and RestrictedFormatsSolutions.
And as always, if you want it done faster, feel free to lend them a hand. The solution you propose is being worked out and discussed; for starters you can look here. As far as the law goes, well, the congressional elections are coming soon (if you live in the US) so find out how your incumbent has been voting and get 'em out if you don't agree with how they've been voting on tech issues. -
Re:Dapper is good, but it's not there yet.
This is one of the things that has bugged me the most about Linux distros, but it's all as a result of software patents and copyrights, not a fault of the distros.
On Ubuntu's site, there is an easy and excelent step-by-step walkthrough to get everything to work, as well as an explanation for why they legally cannot include that stuff in the core distro. RestrictedFormats. Another thing I had trouble with is getting midi to work (not sure why that didn't work out-of-the box, but Ubuntu's wiki had good instructions for getting midi files to work too. I downloaded the DVD iso and I must say, the install and desktop experience is the best I've had - Windows or Linux.
They are also in the process of trying to reach a point of automation where getting everything working is as easy as possible while still complying with the law. See RestrictedFormatsProblem and RestrictedFormatsSolutions.
And as always, if you want it done faster, feel free to lend them a hand. The solution you propose is being worked out and discussed; for starters you can look here. As far as the law goes, well, the congressional elections are coming soon (if you live in the US) so find out how your incumbent has been voting and get 'em out if you don't agree with how they've been voting on tech issues. -
Re:Dapper is good, but it's not there yet.
This is one of the things that has bugged me the most about Linux distros, but it's all as a result of software patents and copyrights, not a fault of the distros.
On Ubuntu's site, there is an easy and excelent step-by-step walkthrough to get everything to work, as well as an explanation for why they legally cannot include that stuff in the core distro. RestrictedFormats. Another thing I had trouble with is getting midi to work (not sure why that didn't work out-of-the box, but Ubuntu's wiki had good instructions for getting midi files to work too. I downloaded the DVD iso and I must say, the install and desktop experience is the best I've had - Windows or Linux.
They are also in the process of trying to reach a point of automation where getting everything working is as easy as possible while still complying with the law. See RestrictedFormatsProblem and RestrictedFormatsSolutions.
And as always, if you want it done faster, feel free to lend them a hand. The solution you propose is being worked out and discussed; for starters you can look here. As far as the law goes, well, the congressional elections are coming soon (if you live in the US) so find out how your incumbent has been voting and get 'em out if you don't agree with how they've been voting on tech issues. -
Re:Dapper is good, but it's not there yet.
That's real easy as pie for grandma! *rolls eyes*
- What part of "if you set it up for her" didn't you get? Those lines are intended for you to do. (Unless you're talking of a Grandma setting it up for her Grandma, which is, um, too theoretical.)
- As I said, consider it just an idea of what can be done. I don't know why he's installing xterm when he already has a terminal (does Automatix need it?), or why he's using Automatix (which, although it does have a large number of satisfied users, has occasionally screwed up people's setups) when EasyUbuntu is just as good. Besides, as I said, the right way is to follow this.
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Re:Dapper is good, but it's not there yet.
It's not ready for grandma to use
Grandma can use it easily enough if you set it up for her. Take a look at this.
(Also consider it just proof of concept; you might not want to do exactly the same things. For example, it's better (IMHO) to do things the right way than to use automated options like Automatix or EasyUbuntu.) -
Re:Painless Upgrade
You can first install the 5.10 to your hard disk, and then do the changes as above to get upto 6.06. Read https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Installation for a more detailed description of everything. Some of those instructions mention Breezy (5.10) — it's only been two days since the new version came out, so those pages haven't been completely updated yet — but I expect most of them to work for the new Dapper too.
BTW, the version numbers are actually release dates, so 5.10 (not 5.1, actually) is 2005 October, and 6.06 is 2006 June. -
Re:Painless Upgrade
You can first install the 5.10 to your hard disk, and then do the changes as above to get upto 6.06. Read https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Installation for a more detailed description of everything. Some of those instructions mention Breezy (5.10) — it's only been two days since the new version came out, so those pages haven't been completely updated yet — but I expect most of them to work for the new Dapper too.
BTW, the version numbers are actually release dates, so 5.10 (not 5.1, actually) is 2005 October, and 6.06 is 2006 June. -
Re:Painless Upgrade
The many (equivalent) ways to upgrade to Dapper ("Ubuntu 6.06") are detailed at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DapperUpgrades. This, of course, is assuming you're already running Breezy ("Ubuntu 5.10").
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Re:Nothin wrong with this...
https://shipit.ubuntu.com/
http://www.apple.com/
http://www.debian.org/
http://www.openbsd.org/
in case I missed somebody :-) -> http://distrowatch.com/
( I could go on and on here, no offense to any I left out ) -
One-command LAMP setup
From http://www.ubuntu.com/news/606released:
The Server Edition of Ubuntu 6.06 LTS includes a unique mechanism to set up a standardized, certified, and supported LAMP (Linux, Apache, MySQL and PHP) server with a single command.
What a great idea. As a newb-ish Linux user this would be a terrific relief - I'm assuming it will be installed with excellent security defaults too.
Suggested names for this feature:
- LAMPlite
- HeadLAMP
- The LAMP Button
- LAMP switch
- LAMPoon
- LAMPon? (perhaps not :-)
Kudos to the Ubuntu team. Another thoughtful feature, done well. -
Re:Upgrade from Breezy vs. Re-Install?
Following the correct upgrade process gives you the same system as a reinstall. It is dead easy too. Read here
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Re:Where's the DVD release?
Here are torrents for the various dapper CDs.
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Re:torrents
This email explains the renaming of the CD
.iso files, but basically the live CD now has a pretty installer, and has been renamed to 'desktop', whereas the install CD still has the old text-only installer, and is now called 'alternate', to indicate that most people won't be needing it. -
Of course...
Only yesterday I convinced my officemates to try Ubuntu as our new server's OS... We spent the day playing with it, and this morning we noticed the new release. Hand + Forehead action ensued. Thankfully the upgrade process doesn't look too difficult... once the upgrade gets released to the channel.
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dapper dvd torrent links are still pointing to bre
at the bottom of http://www.ubuntu.com/download you wanna change this:
http://torrent.ubuntu.com/releases/breezy/release/ dvd/
to this:
http://torrent.ubuntu.com/releases/dapper/release/ dvd/
i figured it'd really torque me off if i downloaded 3+g only to notice after the fact that it's the previous release - so i tried posting a bug, but it just kept replying twith the oh-so-useful "an error occurred".
oh well - emailed 'em, i'm sure it's somewhere in their queue. maybe posting it here will help somebody out, maybe not. -
dapper dvd torrent links are still pointing to bre
at the bottom of http://www.ubuntu.com/download you wanna change this:
http://torrent.ubuntu.com/releases/breezy/release/ dvd/
to this:
http://torrent.ubuntu.com/releases/dapper/release/ dvd/
i figured it'd really torque me off if i downloaded 3+g only to notice after the fact that it's the previous release - so i tried posting a bug, but it just kept replying twith the oh-so-useful "an error occurred".
oh well - emailed 'em, i'm sure it's somewhere in their queue. maybe posting it here will help somebody out, maybe not. -
dapper dvd torrent links are still pointing to bre
at the bottom of http://www.ubuntu.com/download you wanna change this:
http://torrent.ubuntu.com/releases/breezy/release/ dvd/
to this:
http://torrent.ubuntu.com/releases/dapper/release/ dvd/
i figured it'd really torque me off if i downloaded 3+g only to notice after the fact that it's the previous release - so i tried posting a bug, but it just kept replying twith the oh-so-useful "an error occurred".
oh well - emailed 'em, i'm sure it's somewhere in their queue. maybe posting it here will help somebody out, maybe not. -
Re:Upgrade Procedure?
1. Doing an apt-get upgrade (as opposed to dist-upgrade) when upgrading the install to a new version is a recipe for disaster
2. Debian now recommend aptitude, not apt-get, to do dist-upgrades - it's smarter
3. In Ubuntu, dist-upgrade is deprecated (at least for newbies), read the upgrade guide. The Update Manger takes care of it automatically -
Re:Seamless Upgrade
Check this https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DapperUpgrades
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Re:Blast
Check this https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DapperUpgrades
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Re:upgrade without the command line
Check this https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DapperUpgrades
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Re:You have to update your sources 1st
This is deprecated (at least for newbies), read the Upgrade Notes
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Re:Blast
Long version of upgrade notes is here.
Short version: running Update Manager from System/Administration menu should take care of everything -
Re:Oh, the humanity!
Vibrant but still equally unpleasant, do you know if the screenshots on http://www.ubuntu.com/desktop are of the finished article or various pre-release stages?
Do we now treat ubuntu as a single user OS and assume everyone will be switching off rather than logging out, or is that not the message the sodding great power button and a 'Quit' caption gives? Are the icons all peculiarly mangled just for fun, i see a certain amount of Tango, some throwbacks to GNOME default and some pretty horrible ubuntu specific ones. OO.o still seems to have its set of GNOME style icons, does it make sense to change most of the system and leave the icons in one of its most important components? Oh, and what's the power button in the top-right corner for, is it a quick 'Quit' button?
I'm sorry to sound so negative, and i haven't actually downloaded the liveCD myself yet to find out, but what i've seen of the new graphics has yet to convince me that it was a good move. -
Re:A newbie question....
Well, assuming that you have access to a broadband connection somewhere to download the iso you could do that, burn it, bring it home and add it as a repository in Apt/Synaptic.
Alternatively if you have absolutely no internet access you could order a cd from https://shipit.ubuntu.com/ . The CD's are come free of charge. Then you could add it to the repository list again in Apt/Synaptic and upgrade away from there.
Those are the only two ways I can think of. -
Re:A newbie question....
Just order a free one from the site! https://shipit.ubuntu.com/
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Re:A newbie question....
Use http://shipit.ubuntu.com/ , theyll send you absolutely *FREE* cds in the mail. It takes a while, but it is free, and good for people with dialup.
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Re:Any Torrents???
TA doesn't show where the torrents are.
all kinds of downloads(direct/bit torrent/jigdo)/for all platforms are here -
Re:it's great
https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EdgyEft says October.
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Re:Crying Shame!
bring on the Edgy Eft
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Re:Hot servers?
Umm, that's a link to breezy (5.10)
Here:
http://torrent.ubuntu.com/releases/dapper/release/ dvd/ -
Re:Where's the DVD release?
The DVD links on the standard Ubuntu download page all point to breezy releases. I did some poking around and found: http://torrent.ubuntu.com/releases/dapper/release
/ dvd
Good luck! -
Re:Hot servers?
There's a torrent:
http://torrent.ubuntu.com/releases/breezy/release/ dvd/
But it is only for the DVD. -
Re:Upgrade Procedure?For those of us who are running 5.10 or one of the 6.06 betas, what is the upgrade procedure?
If you're running a 6.06 beta, you don't have to do anything. Boot up, log in & wait for the update manager to let you know its finished updating.
If you're running 5.10 (or earlier), the short, easy instructions are available here - cli instructions are:1) Change your sources.list to reflect the sources.list as shown on http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/6666
2)Save the file and then type this in a terminal:
sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade -
Re:Software versions?
http://packages.ubuntu.com/dapper/
A fairly complete list of packages there, things like w32codecs and realplayer can be fetched from Debian Marillat. -
Release notes
More useful information for geeks... although the support is indeed the real news.
http://www.ubuntu.com/download/releasenotes/606 -
To convince your friends
To convince your friends to try it, order 10 PC-edition CD's delivered at your door for free and give them away to people mildly interested.
It's live-CD installer style. Will probably impress many.
https://shipit.ubuntu.com/ -
Re:Obligatory
It did earlier this morning, but the servers are already overloaded. Glad I already got it.
Here's the link for when it works again: http://releases.ubuntu.com/6.06/ -
Dude, go with (k)UbuntuIf you're looking at taking the Linux plunge (especially when coming from Win2k/XP), do yourself a favour and install Ubuntu (then add in the KDE packages so you can run in KDE sessions - KDE approximately equals Windows-esque-ish-ness, Gnome approximately equals Mac-esque-ish-ness and Gnome is the default in Ubuntu).
If you'd like to get a feel for Linux before installing, try out Mepis (which I'm pretty sure is a LiveCD) or Knoppix (which is not very polished, but does give you a KDE desktop to play with - but Ubuntu is leagues better eye-candy/usability wise).
There is Kubuntu, but it doesn't have Gnome at all, which will eventually cause you problems. You can install Kubuntu then Gnome (which is what I did), but I'd suggest Ubuntu + KDE (as I had to fiddle to get all the necessary parts of Gnome installed under Kubuntu). Then run Automatrix and you've got a fully functional system ready to go.
I started out with SuSE 9.3 (a buddy of mine at work installed it for me). Then within a few weeks 10.0 was out and we did a fresh install. SuSE took a bit of hand holding to get "up and running" (decess for DVDs, mp3 decoding, etc - PackMan is your friend). After playing around in SuSE for a few months (including getting VMware running, then attempting unsuccessfully to install Xandros and Linspire, but successfully getting Win2k running), I got my wife a new laptop (same model as mine with SuSE) and decided to try Kubuntu out.
Frankly for new Linux converts, (k)Ubuntu rocks. The weird issues I have on my SuSE laptop's Synaptic touchpad do not occur under (k)Ubuntu, and it correctly recognized the widescreen monitor (SuSE didn't). Updating is a breeze - just last night I updated her system... 10% of her packages needed to be updated (1500-ish IIRC) and it took a grand total of 25-30 minutes including a kernel update!
I was about to go from SuSE 10.0 to (k)Ubuntu when 10.1 was released a few weeks ago. So I though what the hell and did an update. 10.1 is nice, but it's got some MAJOR issues - the autoupdate, well doesn't, my ATI Drivers no-go-no-mo, Azureus and eventually kTorrent stopped working despite repeated program reinstalls... Basically 10.1 is not for you (or me).
I'll be installing (k)Ubuntu on my laptop this weekend.
I've gotta say, after a bit of a teething process (a good 4-6 weeks of Google searches to get "simple" shit to work, like my ATI drivers, VMware, etc) I'm sooo very much more happy under (k)Ubuntu (even under SuSE 10.0, which is good, just more fiddly)! That 25-30 minute update I mentioned above was while I was surfing the web with 15-20 tabs open in Firefox with the system being responsive the entire time. You just don't get that under Windows!
Good luck on the migration! And if you need help, I'll toss as much your way as I can (being a 4 month old Linux n00b myself).
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No need for ndiswrapper with bcm43xx
If you cut the firmware out of your Windows drivers you should be able to get the native linux driver working doing away with ndiswrapper. See the Wiki page on BCM43xx on dapper for details
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Re:Kickstart ?
You can use Kickstart on Ubuntu, or you can use Ubuntu's automatic installation (preseeding debian-installer), which is much more powerful, and lets you configure pretty much anything you want at install time.
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Fire up the crackpipes
" Edgy
Eft
6.10
Fire up the crackpipes! "
from their website at the development codename faq. Suits may not take too kindly to an OS that has "Fire up the Crack Pipes" as a slogan. -
Re:Just upgraded
Nooo! Please, people, stop recommending this, at least when there is reason to suspect newbies in the vicinity
:)
The better way to upgrade is to use the update manager from the System > Administration menu. Once Dapper is released, it will know about it, and offer Breezy users the option to upgrade. As long as Dapper is not yet officially released, you need to run it with the -d switch from the command line to make it upgrade to Dapper: gksudo update-manager -d
Ubuntu has invested quite a bit to make the upgrade patch as smooth as possibly, without requiring users to edit sources.list and such. And there are other problems besides editing sources.list: not every change on the system can be expressed in package dependencies. Sometimes changes have to be made that are too dangerous to attempt automatically during the upgrade, and require manual intervention. E.g., the wiki page for the Breezy upgrade listed several things a user must do (see "Post-Upgrade")
All these things are taken care of now by update-manager -
Re:Just upgraded
Nooo! Please, people, stop recommending this, at least when there is reason to suspect newbies in the vicinity
:)
The better way to upgrade is to use the update manager from the System > Administration menu. Once Dapper is released, it will know about it, and offer Breezy users the option to upgrade. As long as Dapper is not yet officially released, you need to run it with the -d switch from the command line to make it upgrade to Dapper: gksudo update-manager -d
Ubuntu has invested quite a bit to make the upgrade patch as smooth as possibly, without requiring users to edit sources.list and such. And there are other problems besides editing sources.list: not every change on the system can be expressed in package dependencies. Sometimes changes have to be made that are too dangerous to attempt automatically during the upgrade, and require manual intervention. E.g., the wiki page for the Breezy upgrade listed several things a user must do (see "Post-Upgrade")
All these things are taken care of now by update-manager -
Re:Something is missing...
Jackal Jackalope Jackrabbit Jaguar Jellyfish.
See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DevelopmentCodeNames for all the possible names, such as Irrefutable Ichthyosaur and Kinky Kangaroo. -
Re:when can I get it?
You can get the release candiate that is a few days old:
http://releases.ubuntu.com/6.06/ -
Download Link
It can be downloaded here: http://releases.ubuntu.com/dapper/ubuntu-6.06-rc-
d esktop-i386.iso -
Ship it
Don't forget that you can order some ubuntu cds from at shipit.ubuntu.com.
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RC1 Available
Dapper 6.06 LTS Release Candidate is available now for download. This is very close to the final release & definitely worth checking out if you're impatient (3 days IS a long time!) http://releases.ubuntu.com/6.06/