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First Simpsons bootleg hit the net on July, 28th/Saturday.

Not those. These. (Look in the upper middle of the screen).

Most people don't seem to see them, and they typically try to make it after a bright flash (which makes them a little less visibile). Personally, they drive me nuts, but so do single projector DLPs.

The guys who do this stuff usually try to get their hands on (pre)release DVD/VHS screeners.

while this is true, kudos are given to the group who releases the best copy as quickly as they can. As of late the best copies have been cams (often mislabeled as telesyncs). This is due to a huge scene bust that happened last summer. A lot of the bigger groups got out of the scene for fear of going to jail. You are correct that a telecine is used for scene releases, but what you missed was that correctly done telecines are very highly respected. They are also not done in an empty theater. A telecine machine requires that you actually run the film through it. Because of this, you cannot run a telecine and watch the movie on a big screen at the same time. If you want more information on this sort of thing, you should check out This website

And why would the risk of a low quality DL matter?
The first torrent was bad/poor? Download a different one.

I only say this because their product has the same release date as the DVD, which means that a DVD Rip/Screener is already going to be out.

Maybe the user base just needs to be 'educated' about nomenclature & downloading the sample first.

Not at all...

Pre-Retail-DVD releases, somewhat ordered by quality

Cam : Cam + Mic Audio
TS (TeleSync) : Cam + Line Audio
WP : Workprint (rare but fun !)
TC (TeleCine) : Film->Video transfer like retail DVDs, but "homebrew"
Screener : Preview VHS
DVD Screener : Preview DVD

there is no bootleggers vocabulary list anywhere
i think i already saw some good ones....
here's the most ubiquitous:
VCD Quality FAQ

Full set of definitions vocab here.

http://www.vcdquality.com/index.php?page=faq

http://www.vcdquality.com/index.php?page=faq

Cinderella.1950.NTSC.DVDR-EMERALD

Yeah, seems they can't. And then there were two more releases from another group too..

In response remaining Centropy members have made the following statement:

"Nanananana to slow :P~"

probably

Why speculate when you can see it for yourself?

probably

Why speculate when you can see it for yourself?

Well, if they were at the top it would be OK, but this looks more like in the middle of the picture. And there are different version of this workprint out. Some have bad spect ratio and sound out of synch.

It's apparently a workprint release. VCD Quality has a screenshot (spoilers).

Apparantly "Frank" as interviewed in the article is not a Matine member, see here.

http://www.vcdquality.com/index.php?page=nfo&id=46 020

Well, the forums over at VCDQuality don't seem to buy into it, and really I can't believe these are really insiders. Aside from a few names dropped (some of which I can't verify, others are very well known- hell, Centropy's release of Matrix Reloaded included the C|Net article about their release of Matrix Reloaded- not exactly nuclear launch codes), this is all rather common info, and some of it is outright wrong (or outdated, e.g. TCF hasn't been a major group in a while) Also, the article assumes that all the material is stolen by the groups themselves- while this is mostly true, it's not uncommon that it's received on the black market ("Honk Kong Silvers").

Nearly all of my info came from public articles (Wired, C|Net, etc) and (mostly) public forums, such as http://www.vcdquality.com/ and http://www.theisonews.com/. I do not have now, nor have I ever had, any sort of special access based on what I could provide, or how much I was trusted.

This article, and whoever it was they interviewed... really has some of these guys pissed off. http://www.vcdquality.com/index.php?page=nfo&id=46 020

:-P

Not all of us are downloading the Extended Edition release of The Return of The King from suprnova.org you know.

:-P

Go to www.vcdquality.com and leave your browser open overnight. I got about 18 different pieces of spyware that way through IE6. Now I use Firefox there and most everywhere else of course :)

A DVD has 4.7Gb right? But people trade quality for size, and rip it to 700Mb files. How about Telesync?

Huh?

I'd say it's more like this: What format is used for piracy is directly related to how common the media is on the market. CD's are probably still more commonly used than DVD's, but one can't say that DVD hasn't became much more common only the last few years without lying.

I've also seen some Telesync rips being more and more commonly as DVDR to minimize quality loss.

For the average person the time to download a movie in the US on our abysmal brodband lines you could probably make up the cost of the movie by just being at work.

Along with half movies, bogus titles, viruses, poor quality, people that let you download and kill it after a few minutes it's just not worth it.

Sure it is. Add movie(s) to queue, go to work, come home, watch movie(s). I have no idea why time is a concern in an age where broadband is so cheap. Plan in advance a little, go do something worthwhile while you PC brings down your content.

Use handy reference sites like VCD Quality to avoid bogus titles and poor quality. Get a virus scanner and use a little common sense about what you download. Get out of whatever p2p ghetto you're stuck in where people are consistently killing your downloads. Use PAR files to fix broken files. Downloading movies isn't as polished as using Napster back in the day or iTunes now, but it isn't rocket science either.

They apparently didn't cought all of them :-)

it's true. they will never be able to stop orgranized piracy. Even public sites such as:
nforce
vcdquality
mp3hq
grokmusiq
still show groups getting releases out to their affiled sites. For every ftp site they take down 2 more spring up. As well any kid that can scrape together 100 bux a month can colo a box at EV1, managed, or FDC and run a site.
what the feds need, is to arrest werner_T and shutdown dupecheck.... my 2 cents..
int3nse^dB (3o4 legend.. f the us scene)

Also remember that a cam version might be the only one out before around the time the DVD comes out. If you want to download a movie and you have no other choice what can you do?

Perhaps if you really want it that badly you should go see it in a cinema though? I usually end up doing this even after getting a cam version if the movie is good. I guess it's kind of like shareware for movies.

I assume you're referring to the Centropy copy floating around, which claims to be the retail R1 DVDs.

...if this has anything to do with this leaking to the internet?

(disclaimer: I have no idea if it's real, but if it is...well, it would make a good case for getting the retail version into stores sooner rather than later, I'd think)

Here's the quality
Here is the site to get it from.
Here is the client you need.
It's really f'n fast 50 kb/s ++ For the dummies: Install this
Then click this: torrent and then save it to your c:\ and remember Jesus DIED FOR YOUR PIRACY SINS!!@$

From the Reuters article:

It is looking into four films -- "Something's Gotta Give," "The Last Samurai," "Master and Commander: The Far Side of the World" and "thirteen."

Now, all these movies happened to have the same release group -- OBUS.

- Master and Commander, nfo
- Something's Gotta Give, nfo
- The Last Samurai, nfo
- Thirteen (nfo)

In *all* cases, they were the first (and often only) group releasing the screener for these movies. I think I know who their source was then. :-P

From the Reuters article:

It is looking into four films -- "Something's Gotta Give," "The Last Samurai," "Master and Commander: The Far Side of the World" and "thirteen."

Now, all these movies happened to have the same release group -- OBUS.

- Master and Commander, nfo
- Something's Gotta Give, nfo
- The Last Samurai, nfo
- Thirteen (nfo)

In *all* cases, they were the first (and often only) group releasing the screener for these movies. I think I know who their source was then. :-P

From the Reuters article:

It is looking into four films -- "Something's Gotta Give," "The Last Samurai," "Master and Commander: The Far Side of the World" and "thirteen."

Now, all these movies happened to have the same release group -- OBUS.

- Master and Commander, nfo
- Something's Gotta Give, nfo
- The Last Samurai, nfo
- Thirteen (nfo)

In *all* cases, they were the first (and often only) group releasing the screener for these movies. I think I know who their source was then. :-P

From the Reuters article:

It is looking into four films -- "Something's Gotta Give," "The Last Samurai," "Master and Commander: The Far Side of the World" and "thirteen."

Now, all these movies happened to have the same release group -- OBUS.

- Master and Commander, nfo
- Something's Gotta Give, nfo
- The Last Samurai, nfo
- Thirteen (nfo)

In *all* cases, they were the first (and often only) group releasing the screener for these movies. I think I know who their source was then. :-P

From the Reuters article:

It is looking into four films -- "Something's Gotta Give," "The Last Samurai," "Master and Commander: The Far Side of the World" and "thirteen."

Now, all these movies happened to have the same release group -- OBUS.

- Master and Commander, nfo
- Something's Gotta Give, nfo
- The Last Samurai, nfo
- Thirteen (nfo)

In *all* cases, they were the first (and often only) group releasing the screener for these movies. I think I know who their source was then. :-P

From the Reuters article:

It is looking into four films -- "Something's Gotta Give," "The Last Samurai," "Master and Commander: The Far Side of the World" and "thirteen."

Now, all these movies happened to have the same release group -- OBUS.

- Master and Commander, nfo
- Something's Gotta Give, nfo
- The Last Samurai, nfo
- Thirteen (nfo)

In *all* cases, they were the first (and often only) group releasing the screener for these movies. I think I know who their source was then. :-P

From the Reuters article:

It is looking into four films -- "Something's Gotta Give," "The Last Samurai," "Master and Commander: The Far Side of the World" and "thirteen."

Now, all these movies happened to have the same release group -- OBUS.

- Master and Commander, nfo
- Something's Gotta Give, nfo
- The Last Samurai, nfo
- Thirteen (nfo)

In *all* cases, they were the first (and often only) group releasing the screener for these movies. I think I know who their source was then. :-P

I highly doubt that he is the "sole source" for all DVD screeners. It simply wouldn't make sense considering how many groups there are out there releasing them in competition with each other and with different versions. If there was one source there would be one group always getting the first release for every movie, which just isn't the case. My best guess was that he was OBUS's source. They're the only group that released all of the movies listed in the article and while they are a major group, they're far from the largest or most well known.

Not likely. The group who released it (OBUS) has been on a recent oscar screener tear.

The same day Something's Gotta Give was released they also released what looks like 2nd or 3rd generation (copy of a copy) copies of:

- Mystic River
- Master and Commander
- The Last Samurai
and
- Big Fish

Now Mr Caridi must have not liked any of those to have them thrown away as well.

My guess is someone who has regular access to him (grandchild, child) coming over and "borrowing" his tapes.

Otherwise you can e-mail mystic.
He included an e-mail in the release notes.

Yes, it is possible. It's called 'telesync' and this is the way most of the cam bootlegs are made. Check vcdquality for specifics.

Studios will argue that one whole frame out of 130,000 is "substantial."

I *think* that (in NZ at least) there is an allowance for how much of a work you are allowed to copy or redistribute without it being 'substantial'

Although, I'd be very pissed off if they would start shutting down sites because of that. I'd have to download the whole thing then!

NOW, before too many people start thinking about movies the way they do mp3s.

<checks vcdquality> .. Oops! Too late! :-)

Question - did anyone actually bother to read the bill? Quoting:

This does not cover talking on a camera-equipped cellphone, working on a camera-equipped PDA, or even having a camcorder in your purse. The law only prohibits pointing the camera at the screen while a movie is being shown. It's a very narrowly tailored law that addresses what it seeks to address - piracy.

Speaking of which - take a look at VCDQuality and note the number of movies that show up as "CAM" or "Telesync" first, and then tell me camcording in a movie theater isn't occurring.

Then, skip on over to VCDMovieBox.com and note the movies being offered for sale that are obviously camcords (Master and Commander, Brother Bear, Elf, etc....

Like this?

Already being done. Doesn't really work.

No, not yet, according to VCD Quality

So, for now, you can resort to reviewing it without having seen it :)

Ok there's not much usefull info in this thread so I'll try to add some :) Exhibit A: screenshot with dots
You can see the big T shape in the upper middle part of the image.
Exhibit B: ...ok that's my only exhibit. Enjoy!

http://www.vcdquality.com/image.php?id=18919

Nice sample of the dots here.

A nice little 'advisory' was issued by the InR group, followed by a huge discussion on it.

Nice sample of the dots here.

A nice little 'advisory' was issued by the InR group, followed by a huge discussion on it.

Nice sample of the dots here.

A nice little 'advisory' was issued by the InR group, followed by a huge discussion on it.

Already being done with dots on a few frames of the movie.

http://www.vcdquality.com/nfo.php?id=18919&show=te xt

A screenshot is availible on the site too.