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IIRC, for every XP computer, there is one computer running Windows 2000 installation, and probably one running Win9x too.

Windows XP 58% Windows 2K 25%, Windows 9x 6% OS Platform Statistics (October 2004) I don't think the Slashdot community ever quite sees the migration to XP and XP-SP2.

XP is approaching a 60% market share overall and is probably far more dominant in the home market.

"Current trend is that Windows XP is growing fast. The windows family counts for more than 90% " OS Platform Statistics Face the facts. If you can. Where is your proof that Microsoft has anything other than overwealming dominance on the PC desktop?

w3School's stats show XP's market share doubling in two years from 30% to 60%, Linux and the Mac combined from 4% to 6%. OS Platform Statistics The evidence is pretty clear, I think, that home users migrate to newer versions of their Windows or Mac OS and not to alternative operating systems.

Microsoft's revenues from OEM sales are up 10% from last year, which means that something like nine million XP systems ship each month with IE6 as the default browser. You could argue that SP2 has already put the brake on migration to alternative browsers. Browser Statistics

Decision makers do read the Times. The problem is that anyone with a cause and money to burn can buy a page in the Times and eventually you begin to page these things over without thinking, out of boredom or self-defense. Tomorrow's edition will always bring with it some new prophet of doom or salvation.

I can't see the Firefox add as anything more than a clever fund-raiser for the Moz Foundation, and on that level, if no other, it has been succesful.

Looking at these numbers, migration to alternative browsers may have peaked before the release of SP2.

W3Schools, for instance (Linux: 3.1%, Mac: 2.6%):

http://www.w3schools.com/browsers/browsers_stats.a sp

I'm not sure where they are getting 2%, with Microsoft having almost the rest...

According to this:
http://www.w3schools.com/browsers/browsers_stats.a sp

Firefox / Mozilla is up to 17%, and IE is down to 75.8%.

I say to Microsoft: Good bye, and good riddance!

Kudos to the KDE / Konqueror team.

I do, however, feel that Firefox and the entire Mozilla family of products are poised to make a far greater contribution to the open source movement.

Not so much in terms of their quality or importance, but in terms of their mass effectiveness in opening peoples eyes to the quality, security, and usability of open source software.

Indeed, in the broswer market, they're the only open source product that has a chance in the short term:

http://www.w3schools.com/browsers/browsers_stats.a sp

I love the strides that open source in general are making, and look forward to the rapidly approaching day when I can sever all ties with windows and run Linux / BSD on my desktop (I'm close now, but Photoshop and Dreamweaver MX are holding me back).

That button didn't work for me, but I fixed it...

http://www.w3schools.com/browsers/browsers_stats.a sp

BTW, from http://www.w3schools.com/xslfo/xslfo_intro.asp:

XSL-FO is Formally Named XSL Why this confusion? Is XSL-FO and XSL the same thing? Yes it is, but we will give you an explanation: Styling is both about transforming and formatting information. When the World Wide Web Consortium (W3C) made their first XSL Working Draft, it contained the language syntax for both transforming and formatting XML documents. Later the XSL Working Group at W3C split the original draft into separate Recommendations:

• XSLT, a language for transforming information
• XSL or XSL-FO, a language for formatting information
• XPath, a language for defining parts of an XML document

Gosh, these Netscape fanatics are wacked. Netscape is dead and I hope it finally stays that way. Mozilla rocks and Netscape has nothing on this product. History even dictates the diverging paths which is probably why Netscape flopped. Browser stats support this too, so don't get your underwear in a bunch trying to flame the assertation. Just because some joe from the Netscape building got a job over at Mozilla, doesn't mean that Netscape played any part in Mozilla's success. Give it up. Stop trying to snatch victory from the jaws of defeat. I for one am sick of hearing it.

Really? I threw a [modified to write to HD] Knoppix disc in a machine with a blank FAT32 partition, as an experiment, and my entire school used it for a week with no complaints.

And if you'll look at statistics, as I recall, 3% of the userbase is Linux. Do some research before you flame, will you?

I beg to differ - I was skeptical at first as well but Firefox's market share has doubled to 16% over the last months. I like the browser the way it is but if there is something which needs improvement the Mozilla team is there to make improvements - unlike IE which has been completely abandoned and has not been updated in years (barring the stupid popup-stopper which came with SP2). It's the natural evolution of browsers - when Netscape started sucking compared to IE I swtiched IE, now that IE is sucking compared to Firefox I am switching to Firefox.

W3schools stats lump Mozilla/firefox/etc together in one group under "Mozilla".

And why would web developers use Mozilla instead of Firefox? I want something as bloat free as possible. Compared to Mozilla, IE is bloat free. Look at the feature list:
advanced e-mail and newsgroup client, IRC chat client, and HTML editing

That's why Firefox is nice. It's just a browser, thankfully.

maybe you should actually go to the site and learn how to make hyperlinks

This basically means that visitors of w3schools.com, who are generally techies, are seeing the benefits of the open source browser, while general users are slower on the uptake. But that's OK, I'm sure once the techies are fully convinced, it will spill over into the minds of the general public, who tend to look to us as their techincal gurus.

Actually if you look at this chart you'll see that IE is holding steady at the 70% mark. Mozilla has made up some ground but only at the expense of older versions of IE. Specifically IE 5. IE 5 experienced a 5.8% drop from January to December 2004 while Moz experienced a 6.7% surge in users. IE 6 only budged .8%. All in all, Mozilla browsers haven't touched IE's dominance and haven't caused it to "relinquish any ground" whatsoever. Disclaimer: I use and love Firefox but once IE releases a tabbed browser I'll go back to IE.

a morale boost would be nice on occasion...or at least more words of wisdom

Well, according to W3Schools, Mozilla-family browsers are the only one that have gained market shares (or install base) this year...

I hope this make you feel less like "preaching in the desert".

http://www.w3schools.com/browsers/browsers_stats.a sp

anectdotes : try this

http://www.w3schools.com/browsers/browsers_stats.a sp

Also, realize that the world is different in Germany

http://gemal.dk/mozilla/geckostats.html

I feel compelled to warn that the W3Schools' browser statistics tend to reflect the browsers that web developers use more than the browsers that web consumers use. In order to get a more Fair and Balanced(tm) view of all your install base, you'll need to find a site with broader demographics than W3Schools or, better yet, a site that presents stats from multiple sites.

Try w3schools

Looks like Mozilla is gaining.
Looks like Linux is gaining.
Looks like Apple is flat.
All of the competitors have a long way to go to catch IE/Windows.

source:
http://www.w3schools.com/browsers/browsers_stats .a sp

got the info from google still

thanks google!

Surely your own site stats are the only thing that counts? You can say with 100% certainty what the browsers visiting your site are reporting as and the majority are honest. Everyone else's site is irrelevant other than out of general wonderment.

So an answer could be no there's no reliable browser metric other than watching a range of site stats and checking out the trend.

• Web Development site, likely skewed away from IE.
• Hit Counter Sites Aggregated likely skewed towards IE.

Derive what you will.

http://www.w3schools.com/xhtml/default.asp

The IMG tag is perfectly acceptable in XHTML.

as far as ASP.Net is concerned, I'd recommend www.asp.net as a starter site, along with w3schools' asp.net section for a reference/overview.

I'll add another namedrop for MSDN though, and point you to the .net Class Library reference

Haven't heard of Google yet, have you?

In any event, this link is fairly representative of the average reported usage statistics. Note that the site, like many others says that "It is quite common by many web stats report programs, not to detect new browsers like Opera and Netscape 6 or 7 from the web log" - which means that usage of Opera is most likely under-reported because folks like me masquerade as IE to get around sites that check for IE and refuse to display for any other browser.

In case you don't feel like hitting this site - or the many others that keep similar statistics - Opera stands at roughly 3.4% of the user base after a sharp usage increase over the last month, most likely due to government agencies recommending that people dump IE for other browsers. In comparison, Apple claims to have 2.8% of the personal computer market. This is especially significant when you consider that Opera had only a .65% market share less three years ago.

As with all web browser statistics you need to take them with a grain of salt; but because Opera users often mask themselves as IE users (for the reason listed above) in this case the grain will most likely result in underreporting, not overreporting.

Max

I don't know if this is accurate, but here says that only 80% of people uses secure-as-swiss-cheese browsers (aka IE).

This also means that if you design IE specific pages then you are losing one of five potential clients.

Your choice.

Look for yourself:
IE6 has 72% market share as of 2004

How about in broswer statistics?

Just from one website catering to web developers of course, but here's some stats. It shows general trends at the very least. There was also a poll about it on gamefaqs.com a while ago, and about 20% of people claimed to be using Mozilla, or a variant of it.

I'm responsible for an undead anti-IE campaign in a medium-sized forum... Even after I stopped the campaign itself, the campaign's banner occasionally still shows up in sigs. Even though I love negative publicity for the IE it's kind of creepy to see my dead campaign live on and on.

BTW, does anyone know where w3schools.com get their data from? Their statistic shows a steady increase in Mozilla use with a July/2004 value of 12.2%. I'd really like to see figures like those applied to the 'Net as a whole.

You might be more interested in the w3schools survey, which from July last year to July this year shows IE down 7% (from 87% to ~80%) and Mozilla up about that much (from ~5% to 12%).

This isn't a one time, one month anomaly. It's a trend, and the w3school's survey is probably showing it ahead of WebTrends because w3schools is more likely to attract site developers, and what site devleopers use, site visitors use too, after a while. The browser wars are back on.

Just picking random user-agent tracker pages, this trend is confirmed. The base portion for mozilla varies, but the 1% increase in the last month or two is confirmed. See here and here

I know, lies damn lies and statistics. and IE has more than 110% of the browsermarket and all that.

But according to w3schools the decline of IE (hence: the rise of mozilla) started a couple of month ago, in may.

Moz is gaining between 0.5 - 0.8 per month and IE is losing 0.2 per month. But then again, just wait untill Bill sees this...

See also rant about Moz on my blog

Check out the W3Schools browser statistics. Mozilla based browsers have grown from just a few percents to over 12% in a little over year with steady increases every month. Now W3Schools is hardly your average Joe's website, but they are pretty representative of average Joe web developer I'd say.

I'm also seeing Firefox evanglism and enthusiasm in new places all the time, on gamer boards (Shacknews) and other unlikely places. It's because Firefox is the new cool thing, something regular Mozilla never achieved. The Firefox branding effort has paid of big time. Having the best browser doesn't bring in the users, having the best browser with a slick look does.

Different sites attract different audiences. w3schools.com has a much higher percentage climb for Mozilla based browsers and Opera which is good because it means web development types are starting to prefer (and test their sites in) alternative browsers.

Google is also showing a slow and steady climb of Mozilla based browsers. It seems that the only people who are moving to IE6 are ones upgrading from 5.x.

It doesn't look that much when you see how much IE is used but I'd say we're getting to the stage where there's enough users of alternative browsers that any company would be crazy to ignore them.

Once Firefox 1.0 is released I'd expect to see even more people using it.

According to these statistics Firefox's "obscurity" is disappearing quickly. We (Firefox users) currently hold 12.2% of the market, which is a 4% increase this year. Great news for us developers who are sick of IE work arounds.

According to the stats at this link (thanks to an earlier poster), IE share is declining, with IE6 being only 72% and IE5 just over 8%. Mozilla (>12%) makes up most of the rest, with Opera, Netscape and others trailing.

The 95% figure may be the Windows share of the market (more like 94.5% by that link), but not everyone using Windows uses IE. (If I'm setting up a desktop that has to have Windows, Mozilla is the first app I load on it, and then remove the IE icon from the desktop.)

The recent notices from Homeland Security about IE being unsafe will only accelerate this.

Download the internet? You mean like this?:

Dude what crack are you smoking? Linux on the server is giving MS on the server a tough run for the money. And Linux on the desktop is on the heels of Mac. Nice try with spreading your Mac FUD. Oh, and according to some sites Linux on the desktop is already ahead of the Mac. It is time to step out of 1995.

So that begs the question - what online resources are you using? I'm fond of w3schools myself.

I'll admit, "a lot" is a relative term, and I don't mean to imply that Linux or Mozilla are about to overtake Windows and IE anytime soon. But alternatives to MS products are growing in popularity. According to these statistics, last July Mozilla accounted for 5.7% of browser use. That number has doubled in the last 11 months. Opera has gone up too. Also in the past year Linux has gone up by .6 % while Mac has gone up by .7%. Maybe those are not huge numbers, but they do account for a lot of people. And each switch weakens MS's monopoly. How long will it be until Mozilla becomes popular enough such that IE is no longer the standard web browser? If it continues growing at this rate, what will the precentages read when MS finally comes out with Longhorn?

It all depends on where you look and what type of sites you get stats for. For more techie sites, Moz/Firefox is growing well, for your average Joe User, well they use what came in the box.

I dunno. When I went to take the W3 Web Dev certification test, all I did was open up FireFox and I received the cert.

those stats are rubbish. There's no way mozilla has that much share (unfortunately). These seem more realistic: Browser usage stats