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In keeping with the rest of the posts on this thread, nope, can't be done. And here's where you can download it.

Still, there were some decent players for the PC

In my opinion, the best player for PC was/is MOD4Win. Since the development has stopped, you can download an unlimited version for free.

Also interesting: the Oldsk00l MOD Player plugin for Winamp. Much better than Winamp's built in mod-support.

you can get the x10 remote here at X10's website.

the winamp plugin (ampapod) is here at winamp's site.

i have used the ampapod plugin for several years now with no problems. if you want to use this plugin, DO NOT install X10's software. and if you use it with win98se or higher, you must "disable in this hardware profile" the "serial mouse" when it comes up in device manager. if windows picks up the serial port mouse functionality, the ampapod software won't be able to access it. (win98 and below don't automatically detect it, and thus you dont have to worry about it).

if you need help/advice, feel free to email me at:
fist_187[at]hotmail

Can anyone else get more than 20-30fps@1024x768@32bit constant with the winamp default plugin? This on a 1700+.

This is the coolest Winamp skin ever - the digits display like nixies.

Just in case you like the look but are considered a hazard with a soldering iron.

DoC

Perhaps on classical music it is worse, but I find that with heavy electronic music (Aphex Twin, Autechre, Squarepusher, etc), that OGG keeps the music much clearer than MP3. MP3 tends to mutilate hard core electronic music. OGG on the otherhand manages to produce better quality at a lower bitrate than MP3.

For Aphex Twin, I tend to find that unless the MP3 is 256kb or greater, I can hear the MP3 warbling. With OGG, 192 is enough that I can't distinguish from CD anymore.

Basically I've moved to OGG completely. I rip everything to OGG, and rarely use mp3s anymore. Since there is an official OGG plugin for winamp (Download Here), it's easy to just use OGG instead.

• WinAMP
• WinZip
• WinRAR
• WindowBlinds (well, it's not "Windows"...)
• WinTV

Then of course there's X-Windowing System...

Unfortunately, none of these are operating systems - they are all software packages and quite distinct from the OS to most people (er, except for WinTV, which is a hardware card). I seriously doubt "Lindows" has a leg to stand on. (I'd have named it something like "WinOnLin" or something else that gets the idea that it's a Windows emulator running on Linux, Lindows is a pretty dumb name... Although I suppose they could argue Lindows = LINux + WinDOWS, but I doubt that'll fly...)

This has even been called "free shit" by it's author Justin Frankel Have a nice day. :)

I just encoded a bunch of wav files with the command line enconder AND the oggdrop encoder and none of them will play in the latest version of Sonique... Is Sonique broken or the win32 version of Ogg

Your copy of Sonique may contain an obsolete Vorbis decoder. Try Winamp with a recent 1.0-complete decoder plug-in.

WWWinamp allows you to control WinAMP via the internet. Granted, its not perfect (i.e. you only see the tracks after the current track playing, not those before it. Annoying if you don't listen to your mp3s in a sequential order) but its plenty functional.

Oh and its free :P

I don't really see the point either since WinAmp has at least one plugin that does IR control with the proper equipment. I took a look at the SliMP3 a while back when someone posted a link to the site on the Audiotron discussion here on slashdot. Really cool project, and good use of Open programming and simple to replace parts, but more of a mod-job than an end-to-end unit if you ask me. My current project computer is a media server running Linux Mandrake 8.1 and Win2k on it. I don't see the need for the SliMP3 when all I have to do is some digging for already existing software and plugins to do the same thing with the computer hardware I already have (17" monitor, GeForce2 MX w/ TV-out and dual-monitor support, PII 400MHz, and a SB Live! Value).

This program offers some capability that I have not seen elsewhere, because of it's ability to change -ANY- window's transparency, but it seems like there could be more rubust functionality. Also, even though Windows 2000 has had alpha blending abilities since it's release, few programs have actually used it. (Two notable exceptions, Miranda ICQ and Winamp with one of the many available plugins.) One of these such plugins, TransparentFX not only has the ability to make portions of winamp transparent, but have varying levels of transparency for when the window is out of focus, when out of focus and the mouse is over that window, and also the speed of the fade-out/fade-in between them. I'm not sure how feasible this is to do on system wide basis, but I would imagine that it wouldn't be that tough because any application could easily find out where the mouse cursor is and focus/de-focus accordingly. Another thing, although the program has the option open the transparency options on right-click, it would be nice if you could selectively have this (when you right-click on the title-bar, not just anywhere.) This seems like a cool program, but not very polished, nor worthy of posting on the front-page of slashdot. I'm not quite sure if this actually qualifies as "news" although I am glad I happened to run across this link.

Believe it or not, there is a Linux version of WinAMP. It's version 3.0 alpha on the download page at WinAMP.

I kinda doubt this box has the power to handle that sort of graphics, though.

Last time I checked, Winamp.com listed 4 plug-ins, two of which were outdated and couldn't read files encoded in v1.0.

See you on OpenNap.

Winamp has been completely rewritten to become the ultimate music experience. Every detail has been relentlessly rethought, redesigned, optimized and maintained to bring our faithful users the entertainment platform that they richly deserve.

To quote: Having read yet more comments, I think you guys are totally missing something:

Our open-fucking-source SDK. It's 1.5 megabytes of C++ code, zlib-type
licensed, mostly debugged, pretty portable, and happens to comprise about 90%
of the *exact same code* we use to build Winamp3 itself.

Do you see the point now?

Do I have to fucking spell it out for you?

14-Oct-2001

Dear /.

We ported it to Linux because we *like* Linux. Calm down.

Sincerely,
Brennan
Read it here yourself

It will turn a 650MB cd into around 400MB of files.

Not the best compression in the world, but:

• you lose no bits
• there need be no debate over which sounds better
• you can listen to the files straight from winamp with this plugin
• you don't wind up regretting the many hours you spent ripping and encoding when in three years a terabyte is within reasonable reach
• these files, being exact copies, will serve as a backup of your collection

And while you're at it, check out shnapster (flash warning), a peer-to-peer system of trading live music in the shorten format with over 1TB of shows currently hosted.

-Jackson

General Discussion, and
Developer info.

General Discussion, and
Developer info.

Added
OZONE. Makes winamp sound like older and better analog media (ie warmer and deeper).
GROOVY Now my PC thinks its an 8Track player.

So if Media Player isn't included what replaces it?

Easy. WinAmp and/or RealPlayer. What about .ASF files you may ask?

Bag 'em or (at the least) still "allow" M$ to offer it as a free download.

Module music in the "scene" carries samples of the instruments along with the file. Yet Discover magazine thought an MIT researcher's work in the field was so novel that he was a finalist in their 1997 Discover Awards (see "Bringing Music to the Web"). A project (whos name escapes me) combines audio data with the music to play it, and calls it a new format.

Anyway, there are plenty of players out there if you want to listen in. For MS Windows users, there's Winamp, although I personally prefer Modplug over Winamp, hoping that my favorite player of all time, Cubic, will be worked on again and make a comeback.

Linux users have their choice of a variety of players. XMMS has a plugin available with the engine from modplug. Several others also exist as well.

As there is no Napster for .ogg

Most of the second-systems that popped up when Napster was beginning to show signs of weakness support sharing any type of file, including Ogg Vorbis.

Without good support in standard browser and players (winamp)

Winamp.com features both a decoder and an encoder for Ogg Vorbis audio. (Don't try to transcode mp3 to ogg; the underlying audio models are too different for a good conversion.)

As there is no Napster for .ogg

Most of the second-systems that popped up when Napster was beginning to show signs of weakness support sharing any type of file, including Ogg Vorbis.

Without good support in standard browser and players (winamp)

Winamp.com features both a decoder and an encoder for Ogg Vorbis audio. (Don't try to transcode mp3 to ogg; the underlying audio models are too different for a good conversion.)

Ogg Vorbis does have a plug-in for WinAmp.

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Later...

I'll stick with my winamp, thanks.. although I'm forced to use [WiMP] for video files

The VidAmp plugin for Winamp can play avi, mpg, and mov formats. The developer couldn't add support for the RealPlayer formats because RealPlayer's EULA makes it not embeddable.

All you have to do is get and install these two plug-ins from Winamp:

RealAudio input plug-in
MP3 output plug-in

1. If you aren't familiar with Winamp plug-ins, here's how to set them up. Run the .exe's above to install both plug-ins. Then start Winamp, hit Ctrl-P for Preferences, and do the following:
2. In the Plug-ins section click on Input, and from the list select "innover's RealAudio plug-in".
3. For Plug-ins/Output select "Nullsoft MP3 Output plug-in".
4. Click the Configure button, select a directory where you want to save MP3 files, hit Ok.
5. When the next dialog comes up you can leave the "Save As" alone; by default it will save files under their original names with .MP3 added.
6. Select the MP3 sampling rate you want to use for recording, click Ok and close Preferences.

7. That's it. Now when you drag .RA or .RAM files to Winamp and play them, it will decode and save them as .MP3's in the directory you specified. You won't hear the sound as it is converting, but the visual indicators in Winamp will show that the file is playing.

   To listen to MP3's you must go back to preferences and select the default plug-ins (input: Nullsoft MPEG, output: Nullsoft WAV).

   You can convert RealAudio streams to MP3 by associating Winamp with RA and RAM files. In Winamp Preferences select "File Types" and highlight RA and RAM.

All you have to do is get and install these two plug-ins from Winamp:

RealAudio input plug-in
MP3 output plug-in

1. If you aren't familiar with Winamp plug-ins, here's how to set them up. Run the .exe's above to install both plug-ins. Then start Winamp, hit Ctrl-P for Preferences, and do the following:
2. In the Plug-ins section click on Input, and from the list select "innover's RealAudio plug-in".
3. For Plug-ins/Output select "Nullsoft MP3 Output plug-in".
4. Click the Configure button, select a directory where you want to save MP3 files, hit Ok.
5. When the next dialog comes up you can leave the "Save As" alone; by default it will save files under their original names with .MP3 added.
6. Select the MP3 sampling rate you want to use for recording, click Ok and close Preferences.

7. That's it. Now when you drag .RA or .RAM files to Winamp and play them, it will decode and save them as .MP3's in the directory you specified. You won't hear the sound as it is converting, but the visual indicators in Winamp will show that the file is playing.

   To listen to MP3's you must go back to preferences and select the default plug-ins (input: Nullsoft MPEG, output: Nullsoft WAV).

   You can convert RealAudio streams to MP3 by associating Winamp with RA and RAM files. In Winamp Preferences select "File Types" and highlight RA and RAM.

Besides TINRA there is another way to get the sound from a Real Media File: Download and install the Real-PlugIn for Winamp, Select DiskWriter as Output, open a RealFile and... that's it; you know have an easy to work on, uncompressed wave-File. X

I haven't looked into it, but someone needs to write a Winamp plugin to decompress this stuff. Now.

Yes, because we all know that Ogg is easily played on any PC since most people already have support for it installed.

These Windows platform media players support Ogg Vorbis audio: FreeAMP (natively), Sonique (natively), and Winamp (with a plugin). Winamp, from AOL Nullsoft, is the most popular audio player on the Windows platform. A drag-and-drop Ogg Vorbis encoder is also available.

I'd use Winamp, but it doesn't play videos.

The VidAmp plugin for Winamp lets you watch .avi and .mpg (through WiMP's MCI drivers) and .mov (through the drivers in an installed copy of QuickTime).

I personally feel it is too bad that the Linux community can't agree to build on one graphical environment.

Yes, Linux needs to grow up and have a single, consistant interface, just like Windows. Look at the many products which accept the need for conformance under Windows. Products like Softimage (example) (though they may have an advantage, being owned by Microsoft for a while), LightWave [6] (example, check out the conforming buttons and tabs), and Kai's Power Tools (example)

Media players naturally conform to the standard Windows look and feel. Winamp led the way. Soon there were competitors like K-Jofol and Sonique which felt that they could make their mp3 players conform even better to Windows GUI standards. RealPlayer quickly followed. Apple realized they couldn't rehash the Macintosh interface for QuickTime, and delivered a version that perfectly matched the Windows standard. Not to be out done, Microsoft released a new version of the Windows Media Player which perfectly complied with the Windows standards for interfaces.

Even the next version of Windows, Windows XP, has been carefully crafted to conform to existing standards. With such strong and unwavering leadership, no one would even think of using an alternate shell or replacing the entire widget set.

Thank you, Microsoft, for getting the world to agree on one graphical environment. Thanks to your efforts to end competition, there is no risk of the Windows platform fragmenting into a pile of inconsistent applications, each making their own rules.

Not as good as this one, though. Oh. My. God.

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Okay, I didn't realize it'd require a port. However, I take offense to your "hostile to free software" comment. Windows has an extensive freeward community

I assume "freeward" is a misspelling for "freeware." In that case, I know about all royalty-free binaries, but most of them are not free software. There's a difference.

OSS software does not need to run on an OSSOS.

But copylefted free software can never be written in Visual Basic, as that would require providing the source code of the MS Visual Basic runtime and releasing it under a compatible license. Tough luck getting Microsoft to comply there. (Or is the VB runtime covered by the operating system exception to the common licenses?)

And there isn't that large of a library of GPL'd Windows software to infect Windows programs with GPL either.

There are plugins for Winamp that will flash your keyboard lights in time with the music for nothing.

I'm not talking about mod as in modern... I'm talking about mod as in the file format, originally started on the trusty Amiga. Think MIDI, but with the instruments stored as digital samples within the file. And think (relatively) small file sizes. Back before we had MP3s, we had MODs (or S3M, XM, etc). Every day, new mods would be released onto Usenet. Some pop, some oldies, some just plain odd, and lots of techno. People would rip samples from popular songs and remake them. Others would get similar sounding instruments and try to recreate the original song. And everyone would eventually start making their own music for the world to hear. And you always tried to keep the files as small as you could. I remember spending a weekend modding Mortal Kombat during college, not to mention the many late nights writing my own tunes. The best part was that when you downloaded a mod to listen to, you had all the instruments and the notes to play around with, yourself.

Realistically, the MOD scene is still around, though it has been eclipsed by the plethora of MP3s, etc and the advent of more bandwidth. Now, it is mainly hobbyists and the like, whereas before, you'd get people who wanted to download their favorite song to listen to it, or check out some random DJ's remix.

In case you're curious, check out: Arts: Music: Sound Files: MOD for mod files and Computers: Multimedia: Music and Audio: Software: MOD for players and trackers on Open Directory. Oh, and if you have Winamp, you already have the ability to play MODs.

http://www.kaleidoscope.net/

Macs have whacked interface schemes since Greg Landweber and Arlo Rose hacked this piece of shareware out.

Kaleidoscope has schemes rivaling anything on themes.org.

I've always prefered the interfaces and icons of Mac users create to anything coming out of the Windows or Linux camps.

Take a look at Audion's Faces compared to WinAmp's Skins.

Is there a Windows or Linux equivalent to Icon Factory?

I love Pong and most of N. Bushnell's games, but I went to see the screenshots of his games and they look like they will suck...

They look like slightly glorified version of the Mastertouch 5000 or whatever that stupid thing is sitting in the corner of some bars.

I'm not impressed. I'd much rather play Space Rocks from WildTangent in WinAmp.

Damn /. and it's SPACES inside of long URLs!


Refrag

The Windows Media Player license for developers of software that plays WM says that the software cannot apply any filters after the WM decoder.

You can't use your reverb filter on a WM file, you can't use your remix-o-matic filter, you can't use your save-to-disk filter, etc, etc.

No link sorry, although you can read the WinAmp changelog for some details.

here's the WA3 FAQ: http://www.winamp.com//nsdn/win amp3x/betanews.jhtml

Frankel is a loose cannon. If I tried any of the shit he's pulled I'd get administrated out of existance... relegated to my very own special "R&D Broom Closet" in the company's sub-basement.

They deep-sixed Gnutella and weren't enthused that he'd done it on their tab. Now their own software is being taken appart by one of their own. He should concentrate on integrating their toys with WinAmp to make a suite of apps and compete with ICQ, ultimately a better program than AIM anyway. I'm a big fan of Justin's but I'm not impressed with his latest innovation and I doubt that AOL's uppers are in love with him right now either.

The moral of the story: If he'd messed around with a revenue generator he would be clearing out his desk now instead of laughing about these latest headlines with his buddies at the pub... after a point the mangement stops caring about how smart you are and fires your ass.
-Duke

I'm all for it, but we have a problem. Most of your truely 'net savy users think that they ahve some kind of privacy that they aren't willing to give up in order to really make a difference.
The kid broke the law, and he broke the campus rules, and the only way to clear him of that is to have the rules changed. Yes, it sucks, and No, it's not really fair. But if no body cares enough to make formal complaints, if no one takes this personaly, then it Will keep happening.
We can blame a lot of different people for why the system is wrong, but instead, let's try to come up with a solution. The artists are bound to the corprations, the corps don't know how to make money off the MP3's, and untill we show them how, they're going to fight us. It won't be easy to implement and force this kind of change, but who else is going to do it?
Let's not forget that one of the major tools of the pirated music comunity was distributed for free, full release, and NullSoft was bought for How much?

• That line of defense makes no sense.. think about it.. if I release poisonous gas in Times Square, then decide, three hours later, that I did the wrong thing and start handing out gas masks.. does that clear me for the 1000's I killed in the first place?.. How can you do something (make a program and release it publicly) then hours later decide nevermind (remove the link) and ever think that clears you of a thing... you still did the damage.. just because you later changed your mind doesn't make a bit of difference (I'm sorry that I killed your family but I relized what I did is wrong and I wont kill anymore so don't punish me okay?)...

I was bored on sunday so i played a little with Gecko as we want to use it into wa3. Note that it will only use Gecko if you have Mozilla installed, we don't want to add 18 megs to the distribution :)

So here is the result : K-Meleon. A tiny, fast web browser using the Gecko engine.

It seems the plans are to include K-Meleon in Winamp 3 as a replacement for the current minibrowser, which is embedded IE. Makes sense, given that AOL owns Nullsoft.

Namely, the how-to section. He says that you can rip MP3s using WinAmp, but I checked their site (despite the fact that I'm an experienced user of it) and no, WinAmp does not rip MP3s; it only plays them. He should do his research first before creating such a project.

When I read about this a couple of days ago it didn't sound like anything new. There are already a number of winamp dsp plugins, some of which claim to improve sound quality in this way. Perhaps Kenwood can do this sort of thing better than most, but information is lost with mp3, there is nothing you can do about that. My experience with this kind of thing is that the sound can be richer, but often sounds artificial, not more natural.

Now I'll have to print out all my Natalie Portman skins and paste them on the box!

I think this is the article you asked my opinion on? If not, here is my opinion anyhow. Take it with a grain of salt, and let me apologize for the length of this post in advance.

I agree, except on the software part. Books, magazines, music, movie etc help people learn (besides entertain), and apply the ideas they learn as they like, without charges. I think of most software as a tool. I don't expect to be able to borrow it out of the library and keep a copy forever, the same way I don't expect to borrow a bulldozer and keep it forever.

The perception of Software as a tool is one that the Software Industry has been pushing for a very long time now. The truth is Knowledge in general is a tool. Software is just a different method of recording a set of instructions. The computer interpretting those instructions is the tool.

An odd example: If I wrote a flowchart to show the way that _I_ made a peanut butter and jelly sandwich (I did this once as a kid!), and attempted to sue all the kids in the world who told their parents they wanted theirs made the same way(with potato chips in them!), everyone would agree that I was nuts. What if I had actually thought of this first (I admit I pirated the idea from the little girl next to me), and had actually patented it? You'd still think I was nuts, and anyone who wanted to put potato chips on their PB&J would continue to do so anyway.

Ok, fine, I lost that lawsuit. I'm gonna go sue the Producers of the movie that popularized my idea without giving me my royalties, and the authors of the 1000 or so cookbooks, that rudely took my flowchart and made recipes out of it.

Still think it's absurd? Yeah, because it is.
Even if I legitimately thought of the idea first.
Even if I was legitimately the first to do it.
Even if I had spent 100 hours of my own time, and bought 500 loaves of bread and 50 jars of PB&J, most people would think I was nuts to demand payment of them, just because they built their sandwiches the same way.

You could use similar logic to argue against letting people borrow books, magazines, etc, but I think there's a difference. Software, like MS Word doesn't help you learn. You don't really need MS Word. There's nothing you can do with MS Word that you can basically do without it.

But there is still a way to profit off of it, without directly selling it. If you (as a company) spend time to develop a product, then nobody is going to know that product better than you, and generally they are going to come to you for training and support for that product. Additionally, when that product doesn't do exactly what they want, but damn close, they're going to pay you money to figure out how to make that product do what they want. They may even pay you money to teach them how to make that product do what they want. Example: OpenNMS.

Another possibility is that you develop software that absolutely kick ass, everybody loves it, and you give it away for free, under a fully functional, but request (not demand) payment, "If you want to see it get better, send me money so I can keep making it". See WinAMP.

Or best of all, do it because it's what you love to do, and because you believe it should be done, and because you want to contribute to the world you live in. Package it with cool and unique but cheap stuff (Stickers), sell T-Shirts, and give recognition to the individuals or companies that support your efforts. I bought a copy of OpenBSD just to have a CD with a Pufferfish on it.

Books contain ideas that you can't expect to get on your own. I'm at a loss to explain it better. One way to look at is that books impart knowledge, and software and equipment are facilitators.

As I said computers are the tool, software just the instructions to make them work. If anybody should be funding software development, it's the computer manufacturers who are selling you a tool, and making you buy the manual from someone else.

It did actually used to be this way, I might add, before M$. Apple computers came with Apple's OSs on them(and still do). Mainframes with Unix. IBMs with IBM-DOS. However, once people started buying M$ to replace the installed OSs, the computer manufacturers eventually began selling computers without OSs. Do you think they removed the cost associated with the development of the software?

With those books, you can obtain the knowledge to build the software and equipment you think you need.

We as a society should be supporting the growth of that society, not reinventing the wheel, if it has already been done, the knowledge that you need to do it again should be freely available, I think that software falls into the category of this Knowledge. Building equipment, a physical undertaking is different.

Also, I think software in libraries is a good idea if the idea is for trial use, use the software until you return it. Pay for it afterwards.

Why pay for it afterwards? You haven't cost anybody any money by not paying for it. Instead, pay a company to better it, something they may not be able to do without the necessary funding.

Open Source is nice, but there's a lot of other nice software we wouldn't have because it takes too much time and skill to produce for free.

Free is relative. If computer manufacturers or corporations were paying to have it developed to begin with (for the purposes of their own profits), then it would already be paid for.

Copy machines in libraries is a good point though, and has significance to the software industry. Even though you can copy an entire book in the library, people still buy books. Though, sometimes it is just as expensive to photocopy a book, not to mention it's time consuming.

Indeed, I would buy a copy of an Operating System from the company that created it, if that cost was fair, and they were only profitting minorly from the cost of distribution.

Lasty, I should mention I'm a bit of a hypocrite because I use some pirated software. Almost all the software I use often (once a month or more), I buy, if it's not free that is. I'm not sure if this is good or bad, but, for instance, I don't want to pay $100+ bucks for MS Word, when I use it rarely to view and lightly edit a Word file someone sent me in an email. Also, I have no stolen software that I would buy to use if I wasn't able to steal it.

Excactly the point of this whole diatribe. Software is not priced fairly. Value is a relative thing, and one thing may have many different values to many different people. Perhaps if the software industry were to open it's eyes and see this, and build a more morally correct business model, then we wouldn't have the problems that we face now.

-Tommy