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deadpixel writes, "The Netscape 6 preview has been released. Really small download. No more Mozilla, sniff.
" Kinda sad, but I think I'll use the Mozilla icon for this just
as a tribute ;)
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Ah.
This debate about the DHTML support in Mozilla/Netscape 6 raged yesterday on Mozillazine.
A lot of people are missing the point when they say "It doesn't run exsisting DHTML. It must be broken".
Netscape 6 supports the W3C DOM standards. Netscape 4 and IE 4 didn't. From that perspective the version 4 browsers are the ones that are broken.
[Aisde: I fully concur with Bob Ince's comment "I would not like to see any support whatsoever for Netscape 4's wrong-headed and in practice thoroughly broken layer model, ever. I want it to die. As soon as possible." If you've done some hardcore DHTML programming you'll truely despise Netscape 4.]
The reason DHTML sites don't run on Mozilla/Netscape 6 is that people haven't written code to support the W3C DOM. Yes, those people are going to have to right some more code, but it's not really a biggie.
What I do and what quite a few other people do (Dan Steinman for instance) is have a cross browser "class" (you can do a weird sort of OO in JavaScript 1.2) that provides a consistent API of your design and handles the browser specific implementation behind the scenes.
What will be interesting is the differences between JavaScript 1.5 and JavaScript 1.2 and how well things like animation work (demos in Milestone 13/14 seemed to take up lots of CPU cycles and be slow).
On the DHTML resource tip. I assume you're talking about W3C DOM stuff. Here are some interesting zones.
* WebFX (http://webfx.eae.net/)
* DynLayer (http://www.dansteinman.com/dynduo/) - Mozilla support coming soon
* Mozilla DOM (http://dhtmlfiend.cjb.net/)
* W3C (http://www.w3.org/)
* WebAbstraction Article (http://wsabstract.com/javatutors/dom.shtml)
Enjoy.
-Walter
http://sites.netscape.net/wrumsby
- I'm sick of yet another application that writes its own GUI. Maybe the main menus are GTK, but the toolbar menus are clunky and buggy "custom code". (Out of the box, the bookmarks menu doesn't function properly: Open a submenu then go back to the main menu under linux and it goes nuts. Handcoded in some basic canvas widgets I suspect.)
- I went through a bunch of the preferences to bring the behavior toward what I like, but the "OK" button rejected my changes and wouldn't close the preferences window. I needed to "cancel" and bring up preferences again, to go through them a few a time.
- Scrolling is MUCH slower under linux than 4.72. This slashdot message thread caused it to choke. Hold the down-arrow until auto repeat kicks in and 6 will spend lots of time after you release the button trying to process all the extra repeats. 4.72 keeps up with the autorepeat.
- SMTP sending doesn't work with my ISP. I tried sending myself a message via my ISP. Admittedly, kmail also has trouble communicating with my ISP's SMTP servers, but Netscape 6 never even connected. (Yes, the preferences were set.) Worse yet, after quitting and restarting Moz6, the unsent mail was not in "unsent" or "drafts" folders. It had vanished.
- The "Back" button no longer pops up a menu of recent history. I use this feature of 4.x all the time and miss it in 6.
I would love to support and use a better browser, but it is WAY too premature to pre-release this one. I don't care about "instant messaging" from a browser. In fact, I don't really care about e-mail from a browser. I want a good browser!!! With a good browser, I can access an Instant Messaging server, and an e-mail server.I've heard that some Linux users are "smart" and "good with computers". But then I hear a rumor that other Linux users are "whiners" and like to "bitch and moan" about pointless things.
Maybe one of the "smart" Linux guys can build a smaller installation package for other "bitch" users.
Hey, this is a PR 1 version only!!
:)
Rest assured, that there will be binary versions for ALL unices - Sun, SGI, SCO, *BSD, etc..
Those guys at Netscape got those machines you know
Hetz (Heunique)
From what it seems - looks like you need Administrative rights to install the Netscape 6 with Net2Phone
Hetz (Heunique)
Enjoy.
I wouldn't call iCab entirely useful as an everyday browser at this point--it has no CSS support at all, minimal JavaScript support, no DOM (hence the minimal JS)... although for pure HTML pages, it is the danged fastest thing I've ever seen. If they can get it up to standards, it'll be a real humdinger.
I tried it from /tmp. I'm running potato (a mistake, but that's another issue), but didn't get that message.
But then, we've usually had to use shift-alt-arrow, since X intercepts alt-arrows under most configurations. Then again, with a different window manager, you might use the default alt-arrow. But if you use KDE, you're in trouble because it doesn't seem to like you using netscape in the first place, and you don't get *any* arrow key motions.
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And using the brackets may be reminiscent of the switcher on the mac--switching between virtual macintoshes before the multifinder. Come to think of it, I think I used it after the multifinder, too, to save memory . .
THe download came at about 100k/s the third time. The first two were at 80. If you use netscape3 to download, it takes the file and tosses it into the ether without saving it or prompting you; I had to use a shift-click. And there doesn't seem to be a 128 bit encription--I fired up netscape yesterday for the first time in weeks to try to access vanguard; I don't have much use for netscape now that I have lynx launching new instances of itself . . .
Nope, it's the default KDE and fvwm2 from FreeBSD. I don't use KDE, it's there for my wife & kids.
kde+netscape is also the only way I've seen X on that box get locked so hard I couldn't get to a text console.
The linux version doesn't seem to have one, nor does it have a README . . .
./netscape. It launches, and takes a few minutes drawing screens, resizing its window, occasionally flashing something. THen it just sits and spins, eating all cpu time. I can't get at a menu to try turnign off java and javascript. THen it locked up the pointer in X while I was writing this in lynx, forcing me to go to a text console to kill the mozilla-bin's . . .
I untarred the thing, and not finding anything to reat, tried running
Is it any good? I couldnt' tell you; I can't get that far.
This machine is old, slow, and lean, but it can run netscape3, and plod it's way through 4.
Everything seems to work OK, unless I go to the "What's new in Netscape 6" site, whereupon the window fills with garbage, then the whole thing crashes... Bizarre.
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For a lot of users it makes sense. If you don't want Java 2, why be forced to download all 7MB of Sun JRE? I kinda like it, and I would have desparately wanted in the days when I was still connected via a modem.
This is something IE has being doing for a while. However, IE allows you to specify that you just want to download and not actually install. Then you have all the components so that you can do an install without hitting the web.
This is a preview release: give them time to iron out the issues. They'll need to get it as smooth and slick as IE, and then it'll be fine.
Remember, you can get the source from ftp.mozilla.org and compile it for whatever you want. Don't complain just because Netscape's preview doesn't support the MIPS processor released in 1985 that you just can't part with, just go, compile and be happy. Is running ./configure && make reallu that difficult?
----------------- "I have a bone to pick, and a few to break." - Refused -------------------
Mozilla is not nearly dead. This is Netscape's preview release of their derivative of the Mozilla tree. This build was pulled weeks ago, and the new Mozilla builds include much more functionality now, IMHO. What has been released is the BETA of the NETSCAPE feature set for Mozilla. This is not a Mozillla beta, just a Netscape one. Hope this is clear, because if you give the impression that Mozilla is 'dead,' that would not be good.
-- Jason@mozillazine.org
I hope Netscape takes advantage of the theming capabilities of Mozilla and actually themes their browsers so that they look like the OS they are intended to install on. One of the major downsides to Mozilla (IMHO) is that they don't use the native widget set, effectively introducing another layer of complexity into the GUI which will probably end up confusing the end-user more than anything else. The easy decision now would be to make the Windows version have a default 'Windows' widget, the Mac version have a default 'Mac' widget, etc.
In terms of coding and portability, yes the current implementation is probably the best, but the end-user doesn't think in terms of coding and portability. They'll see Netscape 6 and think, "Oh, God, it made Windows look different."
Instructions for un-installing this release are in the release notes at this URL: http://home.netscape.com/eng/mozilla/ns6/relnotes/ pv6-1.html
Okay, I've been using Mozilla for over a year -- and as my primary browser for quite a number of months...
But I really hoped that Netscape 6 would have waited until they had a freakin' drop down for the address edit box... I *hate* not being able to pick and choose from other URL's I've been to recently!
So long as you're careful, it should be possible to write standards-compliant, cross browser DHTML which will work (without browser-sniffing) in at least IE5+ and Netscape 6+. Problems in the short term, but really this is great news.
I'll second that. I'll also add that under Windows it has ugly fonts, is as sluggish as a big java applet (P133 w.80M), and underperforms IE by a wide margin. Sigh. I can actually watch the widgets chase my mouse... infact I have trouble not watching the widgets chase my mouse.
I was hoping they would fix the memory and speed issues before it got out of alpha. Is it out of alpha? It took sixteen seconds... real seconds for it to restore from my taskbar. My poor system was swapping memory like mad.
To top it all off the interface is ugly, and the peripheral apps (AOL IM, etc) are typically annoying.
It appears as though IE is going to be the way to go on anyhardware short of a PII w. 128M of RAM.
The only advantage this package has over v4 is standards compliance, PNGs and much faster table rendering.
"Their server is not letting bug reports in." I don't even know where to start. Well, I guess I can start with "it's been open for nearly two years." At any point during that time, you could have submitted that bug. I'll follow up with: Since you never submitted the bug, how the heck do you expect it to get fixed? Those things don't just happen on their own, you know. You can't just download a beta product and expect things to magically be fixed. Finally, I'll just say you are full of it- all of these bugs have been submitted to day. Just a wild guess, but I'm thinking that maybe bugzilla is open and you've just been too lazy to find this page. Now go, run along, and put your money where your wide mouth is. P.S. Sorry to go off, but it's not just you- there are about 10 million complaints here (some good, most not so good) of people who just expect good, free, software to magically appear in front of them without investing any of their own energy.
IAAL,BIANLY
No, the UI is still bog slow. (And ugly as hell, of course.) Moving the mouse along the menubar, the menu draws can't keep up with my mouse movement. It's as if my computer were in power-save mode... except it's not.
I can't even maximise the window to fit my whole screen.
Sure, it renders HTML fast. Too bad it can't render itself as fast.
I installed the Linux version. I downloaded the "light" 10meg tarball and installed. When I run gtop reports over 23 megs of memory. In comparison, Netscape 4.5 uses 17.
There is no Java in this version. I do have the SSL stuff installed, but I'm not using SSL. My Sidebar is opened to the bookmarks, which shouldn't be a huge drain. Netscape 4.x used a statically compiled Motif, which I always assumed accounted for the vast amount of memory drain. Now, we don't have that excuse.
*sigh* I hope Opera comes up to speed soon.
-Dave
Citizens Against Plate Tectonics
I guess NS 6.0 includes some components of Mozilla, most noticably the Gecko renderer, but not all. Plus of course there'll be tons of old NS code to handle Flash, Java, etc etc. About 4Mb of overhead (comparing the 10Mb download to the 6Mb Mozilla download).
Oh well, I'm sure most of *us* will like it.
More important will be the public acceptance and attitude. And whether AOL will finally use Ns/Gecko in its products. How compliant IE 5.5's Tasman *really* is (the Netscape article on DevEdge seemed a tad biased.
Even if this won't pull Netscape out of the dark, it would be nice if we could start developing websites without compatibility hacks. That alone would be worth it IMHO.
I'll be back when wget tells me it has [100%].
Don't blame NT because you're too incompetent to use it.
Certainly it's too late to beat the entrenched IE.
Just like Excel was too late to beat the entrenched 1-2-3, and Word was too late to beat WordPerfect, and IE 3.0 was too late to beat Netsc...
I hope my point is made?
Steven E. Ehrbar
Then kindly explain this.
Thank you.
Zontar The Mindless,
Il n'y a pas de Planet B.
UNIX was never really defeated. NT has yet to gain anything approaching a majority share in the data center market, where unix has reigned supreme for 20-odd years now. The majority of web and mail servers have always been unix.
Netscape on the other hand was lofted high then knocked off its perch at which point it collapsed under its own bloated and buggy weight. The best minds of the company have left, and we're expecting the skeletal remains now reanimated by AOL (who have also not set many records for software quality) to make a comeback?
I'm not holding my breath. The underdog I'd rather root for is Opera.
I've finally had it: until slashdot gets article moderation, I am not coming back.
An editor I can see. Read markup, write markup. Has a very nice symmetry to it, and it's complex enough to need to wire it into the application.
But if javascript is inadequate to write even a basic POP mail client in, then what the hell is the point? To write rollovers? This was supposed to be a platform in itself, yet it seems the one and only language binding made for it cannot be used to write anything of significant complexity, such as a mail app.
I've finally had it: until slashdot gets article moderation, I am not coming back.
(flame? probably)
A lot of people are complaining how they don't want integrated this, bundled that, and installed-alongside the-other. Well, thats too bad, because lots of people - how many millions are on AOL now? - do.
Look, I'm all for tiny, I dislike all these features that to me are useless. But Netscape is trying to regain browser share, and if they release a "next generation" browser without the ability to read mail/news, search, and feed the cat, they'll get crucified in the press and the legions of (l)users out there won't think twice about forgoing the download and double-clicking on IE. Blame M$, blame AOL, blame whomever you want. If you don't want all these "features" then don't use it! Use W3-mode, use Lynx, use NetPositive, whatever. Its a sad state of affairs but I don't fault Netscape one bit.
ZOMG I WOULD LOVE TO KNOW ABOUT YOUR FEELINGS ON MACINTOSH VERSUS WINDOWS, VI VERSUS EMACS, AND HOW YOU'RE NOT A DORK
The Mac version is nice.... Takes a friggin month to start, but its nice otherwise. Wish it had more of the native widgets; I get them on my Linux machine, why can't I have them on my Mac??
ZOMG I WOULD LOVE TO KNOW ABOUT YOUR FEELINGS ON MACINTOSH VERSUS WINDOWS, VI VERSUS EMACS, AND HOW YOU'RE NOT A DORK
Sorry, but no cigar. :-(
Netscape needs to desperately put in some time in terms of usability improvements. Trying to find setup menus, configuration preferences, etc. is just a mess in Netscape 6 PR1 compared to IE 5.01. This is where Microsoft's excellent "Usability Lab" comes in--Microsoft has a development group that have actual users take a program through its paces and get feedback on where to put in menus, icons, setup options, and so on.
We all hope that future public beta builds of Netscape 6 will be a bit speedier and also has a better user interface, because if this is what we're going to get in Netscape 6, we're not going to hold out hope for end users to switch from Internet Explorer 5.01 (and eventually 5.5).
Raymond in Mountain View, CA
Having played with Netscape 6.0 PR1, I have one comment to describe this program: you have got to be kidding!
First, the program is an absolute system hog--it makes Internet Explorer 5.01 for Windows 95/98/NT/2000 seem small in comparison. Secondly, when the program starts, it takes a LONG, LONG time to start the program compared to IE 5.01. Third, while it does render quickly once you DO get the program started, the way it renders many web pages sucks like a vacuum cleaner. -_- Pages like espn.go.com, cnn.com, www.zdnet.com, and even slashdot.org look strangely formatted in comparison to IE 5.01 and even Communicator 4.72. Finally, the "look and feel" of Netscape 6.0 is frequently extremely unintuitive compared to IE 5.01.
If this is what Netscape 6.0 is, Netscape is history, even IF Microsoft is broken up.
Raymond in Mountain View, CA
When has a previously-dominant, now-defeated commercial software product ever made a comeback?
UNIX?
ftp://ftp.netscape.com/pub/netscape6/english/6_PR1 /unix/linux22/ne tscap e-v600pr1.x86-unknown-linux2.2.tar.gz
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Life's a bitch but somebody's gotta do it.
Try it, you'll like it. It's my impression that Mozilla is considerably ahead of Netscape 6 prerel at this point, and that's as it should be. Although I have to admit, this Netscape build is impressively stable considering... (2nd slashdot post, 4-5 windows open for an hour on a limited-memory machine, and STILL ALIVE!!!:)
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Life's a bitch but somebody's gotta do it.
It's unfortunate that Microsoft didn't start supporting document.getElementById until version 5 of IE.
And even though it's now supported, most IE-specific DHTML that I've seen still uses document.all (which is apparently a VisualBasic-ism that MS grafted onto the DOM spec.) Understandable because IE 4 shipped with Windows 98 and will probably need to be supported on public websites for the next several years.
<controversial>
One easy solution for this problem would be for Mozilla to suck it up and support document.all. Yes, it's proprietary MS embrace+extend junk. But, unfortunately, 99% of the "almost compliant" DHTML code out there uses document.all, and because of the IE 4 issue.
If Netscape suported document.all, developers could have one code path that supported IE4, IE5, and Netscape 6. Because they won't, it means multiple code paths, 'libraries', and browser sniffing will need to continue for the forseeable future.
</controversial>
(On the other hand, as soon as Netscape 6 ships, I can see sites deprecating their Netscape 4-specific DHTML code. It's non-standard, Netscape had the tendency to blow up while running it, and it's too different to be maintainable over a long period. )
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Business. Numbers. Money. People. Computer World.
1) Netscape 6 is built on top of Mozilla. If Mozilla went away today, there would never be another Netscape.
... for a network install program.
2) It's a small download
C'mon. Let's not post stupid ass articles full of half-truths and hateful suppositions. It's obvious from the person who submitted this news that they don't like netscape.
Bad Mojo
Bad Mojo
"If you can't win by reason, go for volume." -- Calvin
Actually, unless I'm downloading the wrong thing, it's much closer to 4 meg.
-BrentMaybe it has changed (I'm using the 03/23 build that someone posted a link to last week), but my menu says ctrl-[ and ctrl-] (I'm not smoking anything right now, thank you very much!)
But no, neither of those options seem to be working...:(
Eric
When I started up N6, it went through this whole routine told me that I would have to change my easy to remember name to something abstract and bizarre to satisfy its corporate renaming requirements. I think Netscape is merging the webmail name lists with AOL IM Service, which is integrated with Netscape IM. So now instead of "peteshaw" I need to come up with PeteShawSpankMyMonkey or something long and stupid.
Sorry, PeteShawSpankyMyMonkey is already taken. How about PeteShawSpankyMyMonkey140 ?
----- Documentation is worth it just to be able to answer all your mail with 'RTFM' - Alan Cox.
No offence or anything...
Wait... Please take offence. You shouldn't be a web designer. Remember the early 90s? When the web was about content and not about style?
You should spend your time making websites that are easy to navigate and are informative. DHTML is a hinderance to the web. Marketing people love it, but the frusterated users hate it... I hate when I'm at a windows box, and I have to watch shit slide around. Just show me the stuff!
Oh, and while you're at it, when you see a marketing guy, pull his hear out of his ass...
(Yeah, I know... Flamebait... Oh well...)
As you said, "I'll just say you are full of it."
x .html. . I just tried to submit a report again at 19:51 UTC and it is STILL not taking submissions.
Their (Netscape's) server was not letting bug reports in as of the time I made my post. Their (Netscape's) site for Netscape 6.0 bug report is http://home.netscape.com/browsers/6/feedback/inde
As for even suggesting that I did not submit that bug, how about me saying "I have submitted that bug 4 different times"?
I had thought about that, however....
The problem here, as I see it, is not that it does not work, it is that all these claims have been made about having a standards compliant browser. MS does it. Netscape does it. XYZ does it.
Yet, when the browser hits the market, it is not. So, we people who write web pages have to find workarounds that end up not being standards compliant. In other words, what is the point in having standards if nobody is going to follow them?
I dunno. Maybe I am just in a grouchy mood today.
Clicking on the back button doesn't bring up a list of pages.
:)
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:) And I do dig the look of it..
Like it has been said, bookmark management has gotten worse. Hope that changes.
Looks like composer still can't handle frames, but maybe that's a good thing.
Mail appears to be able to handle multiple pop3 boxes finally. I would test this, but when I'm flipping through help searching for information on some new features, it takes over my current browser window in which I'm writing my Slashdot post.
I HATE THAT. Help should be built into the application, it should not require visiting a web page - and if it does, let it spawn a NEW window, not take over my current one, which I couldn't go back to by hitting the back button for some reason. Macromedia is guilty of this as well.. first place I saw do it.
It IS fast, though, even on my horribly crippled machine here.
20 minutes without a crash so far, which is more than I can say for 4.7 on my machine.
BilldaCat
I had the same problem you have. Basically, I did ftp to one of netscape's servers (if you can get via ftp from behind your firewall), ftp4.netscape.com. The directory you need to grab the files from is
.xpi files need to be in the same directory as the setup program.
/pub/netscape6/english/6_PR1/windows/win32/xpi/
However, you can't access the directory itself. You can only grab individual files. In order to get the file names, I ran the install program, which gives me a file name when it attempts the download. Then I just pulled that file from netscape's server. After you get the file, just do run the setup again, and it will give you the next file. I just did the typical setup, and needed the following files:
browser.xpi
core.xpi
flash.xpi
mail.xpi
nim.xpi
psm.xpi
spellchecker.xpi
When you get the correct files, the setup program then will not attempt to download them, but will just go ahead and so the install. Oh, I'd assume that the
Josh
Whoa! the comet thing has gotten kind of "loud" since the last nightly build. How do I disable this?
If you have anything more than a 256 color display, I redid a bunch of icons and you can get 'em here Untar it above your package directory and it will overwrite the ugly icons.
--Ben
Hey, all I'm saying is that resources which can be dedicated to helping Open Source software are limited. Do you want to spend you valuable time helping a company which is responsible for putting millions of dumb newbies on the net, shutting down the gnuella site; a company that could easily hire people to do some QA work, or someone who actually deserves your support who is resource constrained.
Me, I don't care either way, just some food for thought.
DrLunch.com The site that tells you what's for lunch!
What happened to the days when you just download the setup EXE, run it, and the software was installed???
For that matter, what happened to the days you simply downloaded the program you wanted as an EXE file? :)
Does it leak memory? After an hour or so, three windows were using 45K of free memory, slowing my meager 64K laptop to lots of grinding. //e had 128K. I'd recommend getting at least a meg or two. :)
Dude, even my trusty Apple
Memory has gotten pretty cheap again.
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then it comes to be that the soothing light at the end of your tunnel is just a freight train coming your way
OK. wrong choice of words in the title.
I do download browser only, BUT what I'm saying is I don't even want those options to be there.
I mean look at the menus, all the subscription crap is still showing in there, the email crap.
In the configuration options it's all there.
I'm talking about all that stuff not even being there. No extra code allowed for any of that stuff.
Just a LEAN, MEAN BROWSING MACHINE! And all those damn toolbars! all I need is forward, backwards, refresh, stop, home. Ta daaa...nice and simple. Oh and an address bar.
No "Personal" or "Links" toolbar that, by default, is filled with the "approved" websites or Favorites that's already full of Microsoft crap that only AOLites look at like the sheep that they are.
No Search button that will automatically send me to the "approved" search sites.
OK. Rant off. Just venting.
Agree entirely. What I *do* want is something that's 100% HTML-4.01 and CSS2-compliant, preferably with XML in there as well to rival (rival? *better*!) IE5. Java is optional. Javascript is a disable-by-default option.
.|` Clouds cross the black moonlight,
And small, and fast, and using a decent native GUI interface like GTK+.
So far the best option is Konqueror (kfm) under KDE. There are also such things as gzilla as well though.
Knocking one of these together should not be hard - there are SGML and XML parsers a-plenty out there, glade for "visual GTK+", and a few jolt colas later...
If you're really feeling perverse, check out "mmm" - written in ML. Anyone know of anything in Scheme? (*Not* emacs lisp, please!)
~Tim
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near as i can tell it grabbed my proxy settings from my netscape4 or mozilla(m14) or ie5.5 settings (damned if i know which .. but those are the only places its setup .. my guess would be the IE ones built into windoze though) .. granted my proxy doesn't require authentication or anything ..
just my dos centabos
bemis
> looks basically like a Mozilla nightly build
> with AOL crap thrown in
At least it allows you to opt out of installing the Instant Messenger, which the 4.7 installer obliges you to install.
Seems fairly stable for a "preview release." It only took me a few minutes to crash it, but it seems a lot closer to feature complete and stable than the last Mozilla build I grabbed.
From the Urban Legends File - I heard M$ IE transmits all kinds of sys info if you log on to
one of their web sites. Stuff like OS, apps, etc. Any truth to this?
If you're using IE 4+, check your Internet Options, Advanced.
Uncheck "Enable Page Hit Counting" which allows sites to store your surfing information on your computer and query it as necessary.
Uncheck "Enable Profile assistant" which transmits all kinds of sys info if you log on to one of their web sites.
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+&x
PS While they're at it, can we do something about that annoying SmartDownload program that shows banners?
Welcome to the wonderful world of AOL.
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+&x
I ran into the same problem. I don't use Netscape for mail and never have, but as I recall, one of the come-ons for signing up as a NetCenter member was that you'd get a permanent e-mail address. So much for that.
And Pete's right, there are *no* acceptable usernames left. Hell, someone's even already got "dubdublin", and I have got to believe I'm the only person in the country twisted enough to actually go by a name like "Dub Dublin" (I'm a third, it's a nickname, long story.) There aren't even that many Dublins to start with. It also ticks me off (since I have such an unusual name) that some bozo is running around on AOL/AIM making at least some people suspect that he's me!
Grrrrrrrr, it's this sort of heavy handedness that makes me just want to chuck Netscape. When is the real Mozilla scheduled for completion, anyone? [grin]
Maybe this is the time to finally jump to Opera, but I'd really like to be able to use the same bookmarks everywhere, and Opera isn't cooked on Linux/Unix yet...
"The future's good and the present is nothing to sneeze at." - Roblimo's last
See? Netscape is available in the English, Japanese and Marketing language! :-)
--frank[at]unternet.org
In case of the slashdot effect I've set up a mirror of the Linux 2.2 version. I have limited bandwith so I limited the active http connections to 15.
Enjoy!
If at first you don't succeed, skydiving is not for you.
http://mozillazine.org/chromezone/component.html?c omponent=17
k ins/sullivan/
/browser/ skin (doesn't skin the mail UI), and doesn't have popup menus which is very annoying...so I have reverted to the uglier but more functional default skin.
http://www.alphanumerica.com/projects/mozilla/s
But apparently it is only a
It's 10 PM. Do you know if you're un-American?
Ok, I downloaded the preview release, which looks basically like a Mozilla nightly build with AOL crap thrown in. The gui is identical. However, upon checking Alphanumeric I see that have a nice new skin called "Sullivan". It makes the browser seem a lot "fresher".
It's 10 PM. Do you know if you're un-American?
We only get the 10Mb all-in package.
No, 032909 is just as bad at registering clicks as the rest of the nightlies have been for the past week. I should know, I reported bug 33952.
:)
But while the developers play "Hot Potato" with the bug, I make the best of it. Like, if I feel like clicking frantically in order to get anything done but I'm bored of xbill, there's always Mozilla.
(And about bug 34528 - try leaving the sidebar on. It works for me.)
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Win dain a lotica, en vai tu ri silota
Yes, I've even used it myself a few times
However, with respect to some earlier comments to the effect of "they are fixing the bugs, then they'll speed it up", this worries me. I've heard the same argument used elsewhere (KDE, for example).
I agree with the concept of "Get it working first, then tweak it." However, in my experience "tweaks" can get you at best 20% speedups (unless your starting code was really dreadful. However, when you start looking to get order of magnitude increases, you don't just "tweak": you have to go down to the fundimental algorithms and completely revamp them. A simple example: you can tweak and polish a bubblesort all you want, and you might get 10% improvement out of it. However, if you go to a quicksort, you will start to get near order of magnitude improvements.
What worries me is that several aspects of Mozilla need order of magnitude improvements. I'm worried that by the time the Mozilla team gets around to working on those sections of code, too much will have been cast in concrete and it won't be possible to make the sweeping changes needed to get the speed up.
Now, I'll grant that if the code is very modular, with good interfaces between modules, it should be possible to replace subsystems without breaking everything. I've not had enough time to go over the Mozilla code myself (I have a big project I'm working on and I don't have time to contribute much to Mozilla (more's the pity)) so I cannot say if it is or isn't that modular (but from what I've seen of the team working on it I have high hopes).
I just hope they are able to make the improvements needed, because as it is today, Mozilla ain't a competitor to Netscape 4.7, and sure ain't close to IE. (excuse me, I must wash my hands now. I feel so dirty....)
And before anybody calls me a dirty stinkin' MicroSoftie: I'm using Netscape 4.72 under RH6.2beta right now. The last time I booted one of my computers under Windows a week ago, and that's just because the program I needed to run won't run under Wine.
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To clarify: they may render pages quickly, but any attempt to do any kind of configuration takes several tens of seconds to get the screen up. This is on a Celeron-400, RH6.2beta, and 256M of RAM!
I've done several clean installs, I've pulled every trick 12 years of being a professional software engineer has taught me, and my results are consistent. Either I keep making the same mistake or something's rotten.
Anybody have good response time doing configuration?
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What do you mean by "when it is finished"? When mozilla is "finished"? When the first nonbeta of Netscape 6 is released?
My expectation is that there will be more or less continuous releases of mozilla (nightlies or weeklies), and that netscape will also keep releasing new branded versions that include proprietary code.
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I do have a burner and use it, but some downloads are always updating and changing so fast that it is hard to keep up. I wish I could get a xDSL or cable modem but they don't serve in my home area :(.
Ant(Dude) @ Quality Foraged Links (AQFL.net) & The Ant Farm (antfarm.ma.cx / antfarm.home.dhs.org).
It sucks for my 26400 modem connection! I would like to download the whole package so I can download overnight, burn to a CD, use it on other computers without redownloading, etc. :(
Ant(Dude) @ Quality Foraged Links (AQFL.net) & The Ant Farm (antfarm.ma.cx / antfarm.home.dhs.org).
Boy, I'd have to rate Cmdr Taco's post "-1, Troll"...and a mighty successful one at that.
ftp1.netscape.com
ftp2.netscape.com
ftp3.netscape.com
ftp4.netscape.com
ftp5.netscape.com
ftp6.netscape.com
ftp7.netscape.com
ftp8.netscape.com
I pulled it off at around 500k/s. Try one of those and you'll be happy!
Brad Johnson
--We are the Music Makers, and we
are the Dreamers of Dreams
Brad Johnson
Why does everyone insist on posting binaries only for x86 *nix's!?!? Sure, most of the boxes out there are x86 based. So what? Would it really take that much effort to compile/cross-compile it for another chipset? ... invisible ... THING ... !"
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Sure, but IE has already beaten Netscape in the mass market. When has a previously-dominant, now-defeated commercial software product ever made a comeback? Lotus 123 didn't. WordPerfect didn't. dBase didn't. And Netscape won't.
Ok, all I have to say is that if you have downloaded netscape 6, and not tried the Sullivan skin.... Well shame on you. It works. And it is more stable then the latest nightly. Plus some nicities.
You can turn the disk cache back on in that section, as well.
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I just got it and installed it. Looks just like mozilla, and unfortunately, that is why I don't like it. Yes, mozilla is a great product, but it has some user interface flaws.
First of all, some of the hot keys that I am used to changed, (^N only des files, ^L fr a new web site). Isn't that what killed word perfect (the first time at least). You have to follow user interface design standards (which, unfortunately, MS set the par on and we all have to live with (hence, shoot me).
Next, too much advertising and stuff like that. It may be an OO design, but the screen is too busy and the side bar (which you can ALMOST totally get rid of) takes away from valuable web page real estate. Rule of thumb, assume grandma is using a 21 inch monitor set on 640x480 so that she can see your whole page... you just too away 1/3 of her eyesight. The interface is difficult to use from grandma's standpoint.
So, to wrap it all up, it is a OPEN SOURCE MARVEL, but like Linux (which I use) I do not think that it is the right answer for the masses.
Before you hate me, I use Linux, apache, mysql and star office, along with linux... but for PHB's, Grandmothers, Janitors, and other people that are not heavy into computers, I recommend Easy to use, albeit substandard programs.
Afterall, the BEST way to get to LA from new york is to fly, but not everyone is a pilot.
NS6 passes with flying colors at the W3C CSS Level 1 test battery. A few misrenders but a lot better than IE.
The Night Angel
Once you run that "smart setup" locally, it can tell it's parent company lots of information about your system
If you really think the installer is doing this, why are you running the software at all? Surely if they're going to be planting evil information sniffing agents into their installation program, why wouldn't they do something more thorough with the application itself?
I had trouble hitting the download page provided by the original thread. If you're experiencing the same problem, just go to Cnet, and download the small 200k setup file from Cnet.com.
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JavaScript tutorials scripts
Going through the website at the link provided won't let you download the beta unless you accept a tracking cookie from ads.web.aol.com. It looks like you can do an FTP download without cookie tracking from:
ftp://ftp.netscape.com/pub/nets cape6/english/6_PR1.
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I'd actually go as far as to say that the release of a commercial Netscape 6 will be the point when Mozilla.ORG really starts coming into its own. Just imagine: a commercial browser with millions of users, but still (almost) all the code out there for anyone to grab and hack on.
Methinks the future looks very bright. Now we just need a working OpenJava plugin for Linux...
I don't know if they'll work with the netscape beta, but if you are using a nightly build of mozilla, you can get skins from Chromezone. Since beta is nearly identical to the nightlies, these should work, but no guarantees from me. BTW, I strongly recommend Aphrodite and Sullivan- don't waste your time on the others (yet- classic could be really nice, eventually.)
~luge
IAAL,BIANLY
Just an FYI, in the latest nightlies there are no keyboard commands in the pulldowns. We'll see what that means, I suppose. ;)
Also, in Mozilla, everything is skinnable- not just skinnable in the "I can make it look pretty" sense, but also in the "I can change it completely" sense. That includes keyboard shortcuts, menu layouts, menu content, etc., etc., not just getting rid of that horrific blue-green
~luge
IAAL,BIANLY
Netscape is the first in what we at mozilla.org expect will be a long list of vendors and organizations releasing Mozilla-based products, and while that's a pretty exciting milestone, it's not our final goal. Lots more work to do.
If you're having trouble with specific parts of the Netscape beta, you might want to try the upcoming Mozilla M15 to see if the bugs in question have been fixed. There are a few familiar reports in the comments here, and some of them are already fixed in the tree. (Nightlies are always a hit-and-miss thing, and have been largely miss in the last week or so, but the brave and self-directed might want to take a peek in the interim.)
(Posted with 2000032909)
Absolutely agreed. Checking out the Mozilla home page, you see that while the number of "outside" developers has increased only slowly, the number of checkins from outside has skyrocketed. This exactly mirrors my own intentions - I've always promised myself that I'd actually start hacking the code and contributing better features (in the sense that *I* will like them more:) only after the commercial version of Netscape is forked off.
The reasons for this are simple.
1) Don't even think about trying to get a new feature, as opposed to a bug fix into the source tree while the Netscape team is on the straight stretch towards a commercial release.
2) Now that Netscape is separate, Mozilla is a LOT more "ours".
I think I'm hardly the only developer that feels this way. I'd look for the number of outside developers to double in the next month.
BTW, for anyone that's interested, if you want to hack on Mozilla you need a gig of free disk space, and good fast processor - I'd suggest at least 400 MHz, and any current version of Linux. Downloading the source takes about 30 mins on a 56K modem and the initial build takes about 40 mins. In contrast to other reports I've seen, I've never had a *single* nightly tree fail to build on Linux. It's actually pretty darn easy to get into, compared to some source installs I've done.
(Posted with Netscape 6 pre-release of course:)
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RANT MODE ON
What is with these installers these days? You download a tiny instalation EXE which then in turn tries to download the actual software package. The hell with you if you are actually behind a firewall or proxy that the "smart" installer doesn't know about!
What happened to the days when you just download the setup EXE, run it, and the software was installed???
RANT MODE OFF
Anyway, if anyone knows how to install the Windoze version of this on a machine behind a proxy let me know!
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hi people. im just testing the postability of this shiny new browsetr. This troll seemed like a good thing to respond to. Is there anything better than hot mozilla down the front of your gritscape?
Lessee... two problems. ALT-[left|right] arrow have been replaced with CTRL-[ and CTRL-]. Years of reflexive training down the tubes. Also, manage bookmarks is next to useless. I can't drop bookmarks into a folder, open or closed. They fall either above or below the folder.
But, man, it sure is fast.
Eric, making his 'first post' from N6
ftp://ftpX.netscape.com/pub/netscape6/english/6_PR 1
Replace the X with any number from 1 to 8, and there you go.
"Oppression and harassment is a small price to pay to live in the land of the free." -- Montgomery Burns.
The small download only includes the setup.exe file. The rest of the files are downloaded from netscape's FTP site.
From the looks of mozilla, the total amount to download should be around 6mb.
PS While they're at it, can we do something about that annoying SmartDownload program that shows banners?
Netscape's user-agent string has been "Mozilla" since at least version 1 -- long before there was Mozilla Project. For that matter, Explorer shows up in access logs as Mozilla/MSIE.
This does not mean MICROS~1 is using Mozilla Project code in Explorer.
Well, I'm posting from Mozilla. (Sue me, I like the name Mozilla.)
Some quick notes: I started using the web back when beta versions of Mosaic were the height of sophistication. I used Netscape up until the 4.x days on Unix, NT, and Mac, when I switched to MSIE on both NT and Mac. Why? It was better, a lot better in some cases.
Mozilla Win32 impressions so far: not so great.
The activation script is hideous- lots of graphical glitches that remind me of student written X programs.
The browser overall isn't faster than MSIE5. Opening menus is slowwww- just scrolling back and forth across the menubar will cause the menus to lag. Opening/closing windows is also slow, at least compared to MSIE. Hopefully this is just debug code and the real Mozilla will be faster.
So far no crashes. Doesn't say much, but some of the stuff I've thrown at Mozilla would have already killed Netscape4.
Why, oh why doesn't Mozilla mark where I was in a previous document when I hit the back key? Why doesn't it copy MSIE's autocomplete function? Both are serious reasons I might not use this over MSIE.
Many of my old Java applets don't display correctly. This might just be my bad programming, but given my horrible memories of trying to get applets to function under Netscape/Mac I'm a bit worried.
The Chime plug-in doesn't work- it doesn't display anything. This alone will keep me from using it until it's fixed. (To be fair, Chime is a tricky plug-in- MSIE has had problems with it for years.) Have to send a bug report.
Thanks guys, for letting me kill AOL IM. I stopped using Netscape on the Mac the day a new version installed IM even when I told it not to.
Will I use it? Maybe, at least to check out sites I write. But it's not enough to make me switch for good on NT/Mac, especially since MSIE5 is out for the Mac as well.
Eric
"Seven Deadly Sins? I thought it was a to-do list!"
Whats the deal here? Not every Linux user is a dedicated hacker. I do dive into code every once and a while but I sure like having step-by-step instructions or an install program.
So how come Netscape (and the mozilla project) both ship a tar.gz which unpacks a directory called "package"?? what a wierd name for a program directory. So now what? Ok so one has to unpack it in an already made directory say /usr/mozilla then read the README on how to run. like you can't run the thing with the current directory anywhere except the directory where you unpacked it. So the real deal here is there should be a README availiable on-line or in Netscape's FAQ on what steps and causions someone should be aware of before downloading and installing.
This really comes down to, Companies should adhear to either of the two de-facto standards:
- GNU configure (autoconf/automake) Most unix users understand how to use this install utility and find that packages built with this a far eaisier to understand and build.
- One executable install shield Wana ship binaries? well toss them in a self extracting executable (shar?) and have the install program ask proper questions like where to install and what compenants to install. This method is very poular on window based machines. Why not use it for other platforms?
So wheres the hold up? why is it always so different for any other operating system except the ones Billy boy authorizes?> SELECT * FROM brain_cells WHERE synaptic_rate > 0
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- The back button no longer functions as a history dropdown. This is a very convenient feature, and downright necessary when the previous page has a redirect to the current page.
- A home button. I'm definitely not the first to comment about this.
- The url window no longer has a history dropdown. This was also very handy.
Aside from that, I can only pray that the speed improves in the final release. If not the question will shift from "Will Netscape make up the lost ground?" to "Will Netscape survive?"Oh the humanity. mozilla.org is down, the nightly builds have stopped, the source tree has been closed, and M15 is right out.
I am, of course, being sarcastic. mozilla shows no signs of going away just because a commercial distro happens to be on the release schedule.
Unless someone knows otherwise.
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Okay, I've held off on commenting on Mozilla and/or Netscape 6 until I had a version that would actually run.
The themeable/skinnable GUI is just a bad, bad, BAD idea. I haven't tried it on my Mac yet, but the Win32 beta is horribly slow and unresponsive (one time I got a "this cookie wants to be set" dialog after I had closed the browser window!), and the UI sticks out like a sore thumb -- it feels like I'm running a big honking Java applet instead of the "leanest, most stable browser on the market".
Yes, I know this is a beta, but I have yet to see any program improve 200% over a preview version, which is what this needs.
The HTML rendering is great, however. Although it's weird to see the background GIFs rendering incrementally then tiled, and watching tables render incrementally is odd as well, it does feel faster than Netscape 4.x.
Jay (=
I don't mean this to be a flame, but it is going to come out as one.
A long time ago (when 4.5 came out) I griped right here on Slashdot because of the way it was handling the resizing of images in tables. When you told an image to be 100% of a cell wide, it worked fine. But when you told it to be 100% of a cell tall, it would not. So, I bitched.
Some lady from Netscape saw my post on here and sent me an email about "Well, we are not going to fix bugs in 4.x, but you are welcome to help us fix things in Mozilla by submitting bug reports!" Well, I did.
So, now I download 6.0 and what do I find? The same fricking bug is there.
I don't know whether to laugh or cry.
Check out the bug.
I would submit this as a bug, but their server is not letting bug reports in.
More bloatware. Of course AOL owns them now so it's AOLware.
What is it with throwing everything into a web browser nowadays?
All I want is a web browser with java capabilities, security for on-line ordering, and ability for plug-ins (shockwave, etc) for multimedia.
I DON'T want integrated email.
I DON'T want integrated HTML editor.
I DON'T want automatic upgrades.
I DON'T want channels, subscriptions, etc.
I DON'T want messaging, chat, etc.
I DON'T want fancy schmancy crap.
Just a SMALL, STABLE WEB BROWSER to view WEB PAGES. NOT some totally integrated internet appliance software or whatever. Think I better learn to program now. What's the best language to do this in? C++? C? FORTRAN? hehehe
I can't wait to get home to try it on my linux box and see how it rates...
btw, off-topic rant. I'm currently pissed as hell at Netscape for forcing longtime netscape web users to change their username just so they can merge all of their account IDs with the same bloated name space as AOL. That means, stupid usernames like joe235753 for example... :( I had "weave@netscape.net" and now they want to force me to give it up. So much for my "lifetime e-mail address."
Netscape 6 beta 1 is but the first branded Mozilla browser. It is based on Mozilla, as Stronghold and Red Hat Secure Server are based on Apache. It adds features, has it's own version of the UI (which is completely replacable, not just the pictures on the buttons)
Whatch out for more browsers based on the Mozilla core. Mozilla itself is aimed at the developer, but there will be 'easy' versions, kids versions, embedded versions, etc. Long live Mozilla!
You got it wrong last time with all the fuss about a discussion on security related bugs in bugzilla, instead presenting it as a decision. Please get your journalistic facts straight.
Martijn Pieters, Software Engineer
Digital Creations, Creators of Zope
"The truth shall make ye fret" -- The Truth, Terry Pratchett
Netscape 6.0 isn't the end of mozilla anymore than Red Hat 6.2 is the end of Linux. You know that :-)
ftp://ftp.netscape.com/pub/netscape6/english/6_PR1 /windows/win32/sea/NetscapeSetup.exe
It works from behind a socks/proxy!
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If your computer says LINUX, run...computers can't talk! [unless you have text-speech software]
Well, my Linux box is at home, and I have to use the NT4 Server here at work to test the build.. here're a few brief experiences so far:
Using the 260k installer, and only grabbing the executable and the (7 megs?!) Java2 stuff, the install went fairly speedily (45 mins) over a 56k connection (13mb in total, without any of the feedback agents, Net2Phone, etc). No reboots were necessary, which is a nice step up from the 4.x releases, and of course IE. (although IE, to be fair, 'upgrades' a lot of system files under Winx)
Ok, first run. No, thanks, I don't want to sign up to Netcenter. And yes, I really really don't want to. I'm sure you nice Netscape, er, AOL guys would never do anything bad with my name and email address, but I just want to browse.
Here it comes up, loading it is a bit faster than the 4.x tree. On we go to the Netcenter N6 page, ah, Dynamic HTML, finally implemented, nice moving 'Netscape' writing, fully selectable, etc. It's just eyecandy, but proves standards compliance. Wohoo!
On we go.. let's see how fast Yahoo loads, my 'bare-bones' example for comparing IE and Mozilla so far. Ok, it's fine, not as speedy as IE5, but it's not an 'integral part of the OS', is it?
Now the real test.. slashdot.org, loads fine, I enter my name - NO, I don't want you to remember my password, Moz.., er, Netscape - and on we go.
Ah. Hmm. Well, either Slashdot isn't regularly tested with Mozilla, or it's _supposed_ to look this way. Most of the 'spacing' between objects is gone, i.e. the banner at the top of the screen is now touching the actual page instead of having a bit of space between the two of them. Since I turned the icons off, the slashboxes are now vertically sligned against the very top of the actual page, whereas the 'default' page has the icons in the top right corner aligning the slashboxes with the rest of the main page at the top. Ah well, broken HTML it ain't (unless you try to validate it
[Side note: Copying text from Mozilla/N6 and pasting into Windows apps doesn't seem to work right now, neither using the right-click menu, nor the Edit menubar. Hmm. It lets me paste, but never copy. Especially since it blanks out the 'Paste' option after pasting, clearly thinking it has something buffered in the paste clipboard. Odd, but fixable.
Anyway, let's see what Netscape has to say about it on their main page. On we go, www.netscape.com... err.. crash. Hmm. Now, I'd have thought that they'd test their own homepage with their own browser? Nevermind, let's load it back up again - sigh, I didn't download the feedback client, so this bug will probably go unnoticed - and try it again.. and the page loads just fine. Odd. Very odd.
Anyway, let's have a look at the memory footprint.. task manager.. netscp6.exe..
29752k ??
I guess this is the memory footprint of a modern cutting-edge app.. but what were the two years of propaganda about 'small, fast app', 'efficient modular coding' etc. all about? I understand that IE5's memory usage (6megs right now) is partly due to the fact that a lot of its engine and parts are pre-loaded by the OS during startup.. and maybe under UNIX a lot of Netscape's code will reside in code already loaded by the X wm (widgets, etc).. but 30 megs? I just started the thing, it's not like hours of use have led it to leak memory like a bastard, accumulating dozens of megs of cached pages, etc, etc?
The actual netscape executable is 356k large, probably so it can start fast and give a speedy impression. The 'components' dir, full of to-be-loaded
And the 'theme'-ability (i.e. skins, etc) aren't even included! I even disabled the sidebar, and reduced most options like What's Related? and Internet Keywords to a minimum, so I'd have a bare-bones, speedy browser, and nothing else. I'm guessing that part of it is the Java2 stuff that's loaded at startup - but the memory usage still baffles me. If it preloads all it needs, I'd at least expect it to be as fast as IE, if not better, seeing how IE5 is at its core based on a browser MS bought from Spyglass which in turn was a rebranded NCSA Mosaic licensee from 5++ years ago. (Check 'About' in IE5 if you don't believe me.)
Ok, this is a pre-releases, still Alpha, not to be used widely, etc.. but seeing how the final
Ok, so in the time I needed to write this, (5 mins?) Netscape seems to have assimilated more memory for its personal needs. It now occupies 35 MB of RAM, and all I did to make it grow by 5 megs is to type some text in this textfield. Either it's doing funky stuff, or NT hates its guts. (and I'm waiting for people to post saying it's all NTs fault, and they've had Mozilla running on their 386 Linux boxes for months without crashes or memory problems
I'm sure this isn't the fault of Gecko, the rendering engine at its core, but the browser built around it seems to have a few architectural issues. I hope the Mozilla guys will be able to give it a swift kick in the pants before the Netscape6 release. Press coverage of a sluggish Netscape that doesn't match IE's capabilities would probably kill it off for good on non-UNIX platforms. I think I better go and kill off all Netscape-related processes now before it sucks up the remaining memory and I have to reboot the machine.
Apart from the memory issues, though, the Lizard seems to be a capable beast. Especially since this a pre-release do Slashdot Netscape's servers, grab the thing, and test it. With enough bugzilla reports, I'm sure the issues can be fixed in time for the release.
Alex T-B
PS: This post is coming to you courtesy of the fourth 'Submit' attempt. The Lizard keeps popping up a little box saying 'Connection refused by slashdot.org.. is that a HTTP error code. Which one? Please talk to me, Mozilla.
First of all, this is listed as Netscape 6 PR1, so its not gold or anything. Its just a prerelease version of there normal buggy .0 releae.
It looks just like mozilla m14. This should not come as a surprise to me, but I didn't know what to expect.
Does it leak memory? After an hour or so, three windows were using 45K of free memory, slowing my meager 64K laptop to lots of grinding.
Otherwise, despite the ugly N logo replacing the cute Mozillasoar, it looks pretty solid.
A final word about the integration. I have a netscape webmail account that uses the name "peteshaw". I stopped using it some time back when I accidentally posted it once on the usenet and found I was getting inunspamdated.
When I started up N6, it went through this whole routine told me that I would have to change my easy to remember name to something abstract and bizarre to satisfy its corporate renaming requirements. I think Netscape is merging the webmail name lists with AOL IM Service, which is integrated with Netscape IM. So now instead of "peteshaw" I need to come up with PeteShawSpankMyMonkey or something long and stupid.
So far its just annoying, but after trying 3 or 4 times to come up with a reasonable username, it gives me this error "Too many logins from this IP address, please wait 24 hours before logging on." On top of that, the only button I have to choose is marked "retry". What's a guy to do? Sit here staring at the retry button for 24 hours? It wasn't that hard to eventually work around, but its like ??????
So, needless to say I am skipping the netscape bundle of features for now, or at least for the next 24 hours. I might just stick with M14.
www.avacal.com -- the home page of pete shaw
This is the third time that slashdot has posted a story that got this wrong: Netscape 6 is NOT the final "Mozilla" browser. Netscape 6 incorporates some parts of the Mozilla efforts, but NS 6 is still a commercial product with proprietary code put out by Netscape Incorporated. Mozilla is not complete, and is still in testing. When it is finished, it will not be called "Netscape" anything, it will be "Mozilla." Please try to get this right.