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Is That An OC-768 In Your Pocket?
bdigit writes: "Qwest communications using Nortel Networks OC-768 was able to transfer 40Gbps over 435 miles(700 km) breaking the record for the fastest land speed record. Qwest has plans to begin deploying OC-768's in quarter three of 2001." Note: if they need beta testers, just lemme know! I can write a mean bug report ("My pr0n is only getting 30gps! Please fix!")
For most applications you really don't need even cable speed. As long as the times that you have to wait for things are about what the human attention spam has your perfectly fine. I use a 2400 bps link every day and find that it works reasonably for fetching and sending e-mail quite well. Downloading works better than kermit and at least with your own ip and lynx or w3m with SSL support is better than nothing and is often much better than all of the cruft that is en vouge today. I actually have never had access to something that fast so I really can't see unless you make it a personal habit of mirroring all the major ftp sites or run some form of server or you like to mail chain letters with DVD attatchments.
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3. When big businesses figure out that if they want anyone except CEOs and Saudi Arabian oil barons to buy them they are going to have to take the first step and wire American cities via themselves or the government to accomodiate access. You can't expect the average joe to finance something so damn expensive do you?
What is power if not for the furtherance of power. Power is a gift in it's own right and a means unto itself.
I prefer this chart since it's slightly more detailed. Plus, it's not in a damn frame, ugh.
By the time that's a reality, we will be "your grandma," and quite comfortable with the notion of computers. ~L. Kynes
I am aware he isn't the right Bruce. And I'm also aware, that you've already got DSL, so it never could be you.
But...to get back to the point, DSL is a huge investment to the Service Provider, which is why the geographic area is carefully selected.
-- Andreas
Yep that will do the trick...
Just like open access has so significantly increased the performance and reliability of DSL connections!
No filtered ports - that means any dork with a Linux box becomes a spam relay...I don't think open access is gonna stop that.
Static IP's - yep lets add ANOTHER layer of administration to the ISP - to track all of the IP addresses. What happens when network renumbering needs to be done, the ISP will have to call each user and have them switch IP addresses...
Better service? 99% of trouble in cable networks is in the distribution nodes between the local "hub" and your house - those are still owned by the cable company and guess who still has to fix them? Reference the current DSL situation for a prime example of how responsive the ILEC's are to fixing problems for CLEC's.
And of course, you'll be able to get AOL via open access - the fact that they are now in favor of open access is scary enough to me...
ZoneMan
what Nortel gear has is OC-768 sonet pipe, but you still need a router operating at the same speed if you want to make it Internet backbone. At this time Juniper has OC-192, Cisco presumably will have it soon. Will Juniper have oc-768 interface in a year? Probably. This box really rocks. In any case, you have to understand one thing: all these rates, OC-192 (about 10Gbps) and OC-768 (about 40Gbps) is for Internet core only.
...Except that the first was OC-1.
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20 TB Library of Congress.
Works out to be about a 2'x2'x2' cube filled with DVD-Roms. Fits into the trunk of a Miata, I would think.
Boggles the mind.
These sort of ultra high speed lines are not intended to ever be used by the public. They are for building backbones with (hence the 700km testing.) However, if you want really fast access to your home or buisiness, they might be coming out with 40 Mbps dedicated cable connections (by dedicated I mean that the bandwidth isn't shared with everyone else on your loop.) Or you could always lease a T3...
T1,T3 are transmission rates that descibe electrical interfaces. A T1 link is 1.5mb ( bits )
T3 = 45mb. OC ( optical carrier ) is a BellCore
description of transmission in SONET networks. ( Synchronous Optical Network ).
The speed of OC-n is derived from the number of interleaved STS streams. STS-1 is 51mb per second
All OC-n rates ( lowest is OC-3 which sts-1x3 ) are derived from a multiple of this.
OC-768 = 768xSTS1 rate = 39168mb per second
OC-48 = 48xSTS-1 rate = 2448mb per second
OC-3 = 3xSTS-1 rate = 153mb per second
OC-n rates can be described as concatenated ( a fat pipe ). or Channelized whereby an OC pipe contains multiple channels ( STS payloads )each
of which can contain different payloads ( packets or atm cells ).
Oc-3c is a concat. fat pipe.
Oc-3 is a channelized pipe.
When I was your age we had to walk ten miles uphill both directions to get our email, and we loved it.
lol - i'm wearing my 'chicks dig unix' T-shirt with some cargo pants. and a Gameworks hat from seattle...
there are only two things that get me hard bro - naked women that i'm about to have sex with and the 2.4.0 kernel - this article wasn't about either.
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These repeaters use something called an optical pump. It's basically a high-powered silicon laser that's injected into doped silica fibre. The process of pumping injects energy into the fibre and because of some fancy physics it happens to do so in phase with the original signal.
The trouble with repeaters is that they're dumb. They'll amplify signal and noise equally.
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OC-768 exists for short haul ATM and SONET connections inside a data centre. That is not a big deal in the communications world.
/. posted links to a real news story, rather than print a company press release with no further informations for us to look at. This story surface a few months ago when a european partner of Qwest and Nortel were showing the technology at a trade show in Germany. They had a couple of spools of fibre totalling about 20kms, and were pumping some incredible level of data across it. They had also done a real world test between two German cities with a fibre running along side some train tracks.
Getting OC-768 DWDM with all of its little tricks to run for such a long distance between end points makes the promise of bigger and better backbones a reality. There are a ton of technical problems keeping the leading and trailing edges of the pulses of every different wavelength of light from degrading and interfering, and somehow managing to recover all the signals at the far end. 700Kms covers most any reasonable distance in Europe.
It would be nice if
the AC
Hemos is like...sci-fi fans;he thinks technology is cool, but he hasn't bothered to understand the science it's based on
Ok, I knew that, and I still spelled it wrong. Oops. :-)
(and I just had to get a completely off-topic post in here somewhere, just because I wanna grow up to be an AC someday)
From the useless stats dept.
40 Gbits/sec = 216 Terabytes in 12 hours.
If you put 1800 120GB DDS4 tapes in FedEx baggies you will move the same about of data (latency is not so good but that's not the point :-)
Never underestimate the bandwidth of a truck load of tapes.
Never underestimate the bandwidth of a truck load of tapes
It's always nice to know that I can fill my hard drive in less than a second.
Slashdot gets worse every day... Pipedot: News for nerds, without the corporate slant
Waddayaneed more than 30gps for? a realtime tomographic video of her insides?
perl -e 'fork||print for split//,"hahahaha"'
Just gimme a call. Im sure it beats my cable all to hell and back. :P
You're nothing; like me.
That's some nice bandwidth. If only having access to high bandwidth lines didn't cost retarded amounts of money, the Internet would be a far better place than it is now. Just imagine, if the last-mile bit was solved with high(er)-bandwidth lines everywhere, one wouldn't need cable or telephones..
Utopia? Nah. Better? Yes.
I'm just curious as to how they do this, does anyone know?
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Considering that voice analysis isn't absolutely the best for things like code writing and typing there will always be the need for keyboards.
What is power if not for the furtherance of power. Power is a gift in it's own right and a means unto itself.
Optical tends to go up by factors of four as well. 10 Gbps is the fastest version currently being widely deployed, 40 is coming, and 160 is in the R&D stage.
David
2 clicks in and there's a whole page of information about this "record breaking" event.8 8
http://www.qwest.com/about/media/story.asp?id=2
They must have used some computers with terabyte hard drives. raid...
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Single mode is thinner than multi mode, therefore the light doesn't "bounce" quite as much.
Mikael Jacobson
Greylisting is to SMTP as NAT is to IPv4
Who said it was TDM? That system uses DWDM as well.
TDM doesn't do squat to increase bandwidth -- if your hard drive is 4.5G, how you partition it isn't going to give you any more than 4.5G. Light travels at a certain speed through glass fiber. One can turn that light on and off only so fast. In order to increase bandwidth, one would have to either turn the light on/off faster (very difficult) or start using more than one light in the same cable.
DWDM has practical limits in the photoreceivers. If the receiver cannot differentiate 730nm from 740nm... as selectivity increases, bandwidth increases proportionally.
Since the library of congress is increasing it's collections each and every day you can't measure a quantity that really should be measured in absolute terms.
What is power if not for the furtherance of power. Power is a gift in it's own right and a means unto itself.
har-de-har-har.
Is there a way we can moderate headlines?
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Of course that just sounds like some kind of compression system.
Just how long do you expect it to take to write out 1800 120GB tapes? And to read them back in?
You have to count that in the measurement as well.
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BTW it would take 1000+ tape drives running at once to move that much data
Never underestimate the bandwidth of a truck load of tapes
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Just so you know, the fastest record overall is 1.1 terabits per second over fiber. However, it was done in a labratory with the fiber coiled around pole. As for Qwest, I think these guys are just great. They have tons of fiber and are provide bandwidth to 70% of major cities. If they upgrade there network significantly with these lines, the internet in general should be much less congested.
A deep unwavering belief is a sure sign you're missing something...
Think about if labour is an issue perhaps the application of convict populations to do the work and then all you have to worry about is the parts.
What is power if not for the furtherance of power. Power is a gift in it's own right and a means unto itself.
Now I'm not going to step out on a limb and say that my experence is the rule with Qwest, but doesn't everybody that's had anything to do with them have a horror story. I went to a smell tech school (10 points if you can figure out which ;-) ), and that school was a circuit customer of Qwest.
It was horrible. The router at the other end of the T-1's died, several times a week. They didn't recognize the school's circuit ID number. we had routing issues, links to other backbones died randomly, but wait!
As long as you were inside Qwest's network, it was very very fast.... so I guess it will fix all of Qwest's problems to make that network faster yet.
-- Chris Reinhardt
One thing that Ive never had adequately explained to me is grades of fiber..
It has something to do with bran muffins and being regular... Try this one
Actually, according to href="http://www.bandwidth.com">www.bandwidth.co m</a> anyway, there is such :).
a thing as an OC-255. It looks out of place on their table, though
I mean if you dump a bunch of water into your beer you don't get more beer just more diluted beer.
What is power if not for the furtherance of power. Power is a gift in it's own right and a means unto itself.
While this speed boost from Qwest is a wonderful breakthrough, one I'm sure the other providers will follow up on as well, this doesn't help Internet conjestion much.
Consider for a second that the vast majority of Internet Consumers use providers other than Qwest (whether it be UUnet, IBI/Digex, whomever) and still need to cross through peering points to go from network to network. These peering points, in general, are limited to OC-3 bandwidth... (Sometimes you can get FastEther, but that rarer). What good is an OC-768 when the weakest links in your connection are OC-3s. It's like having a T-1 bridge two OC-48 networks... So while you're stuck at MAE East, the Qwest customer hitting www.qwest.com will see it come down in blazing speed. Oh, I'm sorry, the customer only has a T-1 anyway.
When they, and other providers, update those peering points to allow more bandwidth between providers, we can cut down on serious Internet bottlenecks. Until then, this OC-768 mess is worthless.
I dunno... It's always nice that the end users have fat pipes, but you can't don't forget guys like me, who shell out a lot of cash to put up servers. Currently, I'm co-located at a local ISP, tycho.net. I've got a full 42U rack, 8 Amps of UPS/Generator protected power, and a 10mbps switched Ethernet segment. Of the 10Mbps, I can use 640K 24/7, and burst to full speed for about 65 minutes a day (Yes, the 950 Kilobyte per second downloads rule :-). Unfortunately, all that comes at a price: $750 a month (And I don't bring in $100K a year.) Now chew on this this: for $50 a month, a DSL user who is close to their telco switch could easily suck my 640 dry, and I cant combat it in kind- I need the low latencies unavailable with sDSL, and the upstream bandwidth unavailable to aDSL. Even worse, someone using a work computer could pull the entire 10 megs, searching for movies, or dealing with files. Because of this, I'm forced to setup 30 Kilobyte per second bandwidth limits on each user. It will only get worse when everyone installs DSL (Note that I'm not worried about the cable modem users - self limiting ;-). Now, the flip side to this coin is that when fibre finally reaches the common household, greater connectivity will be reduced in price, though it still won't be as simple as the 56K days. This doesn't mean of course, that I will not appreciate DSL when it's finally installed at my house, but it does make things more interesting. Oh, I still have 30U of space left, if someone else wants to put up a box :-]
Line noise, baby!
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Actually I meant to make a pun to the name of the router company, but I guess that is the way the character's name is spelled. As far as spelling captain incorrectly, I plead guilty :)
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Just because you ferry more data around dosn't mean you need supposedly "better" software (that IBM just happens to be selling). Standard unixy stuff works well and scales as long as you have hardware tol support the data processing.
What is power if not for the furtherance of power. Power is a gift in it's own right and a means unto itself.
Our 56K will still outperform any 40Gbps lines in the future because by MS .net server will be in a perpetual crashed state.
Agilent Technologies is working on a solutio n for switching these signals without them passing through an electronic switch, but I think repeaters are fundamentally electronic, if I'm not mistaken.
Friends don't let friends use multiple inheritance.
Actually at this point, you are mistaken. I was just reading an article on optical amplifiers. Basically you dope a length of fiber with rare-earth elements, use a laser to pump the elements in an excited state. Then when the signal comes in on one end, it causes a percentage of the excited atoms to lase, resulting in an increase of signal. It's not a whole lot different from how a HeNe laser tube works. Since it's all optical, you don't have a speed bottleneck. The big issue now is how to pump more power into that fiber. (More power = longer distances) They are approaching the ability to push 1 watt of power into the fiber. That may not sound like much, but when you push it through single-mode fiber, the resulting energy density is ~10 times that of the surface of the sun. If the glass isn't "perfect" it can start to melt. If you don't have the fiber attenuated by the time it gets to the far end, you can actually damage your detector in these new systems.
Ain't quantum mechanics fun?
Can anyone explain to everyone here how the T1 & T3 and OC3 rates work?
...). Europe did something similar but incompatable, of course. B-)
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Sure. I've been architecting an ASIC for an "edge router" for the last year, and I've had to live and breathe this stuff.
ENORMOUSLY simplified:
DSn (n= 1, 1C, 2, 3, 4NA) refer to data format standards. Tn (n= 1, 1C, 2, 3, 4NA) refer to standards for carrying those formats on wires. Similarly, STS-n and OC-n refer to the SONET standards for data formats and carrying them on an optical fiber, respectively.
These are standards for US/Canada. Japan is virtually identical (Jn; n=1,
For data only a few are in common use. These are:
Unchannelized T1/DS1
Unchannelized T3/DS3
STS-n/OC-n n=1, 3, 12, 24, 48,
The basic quantum of data is 8,000 8-bit bytes ("octets") per second (nicknamed a "DS0"). This is 64,000 bits per second, enough for one phone call. (Some phone equipment steals one bit out of the byte every 6 frames for signaling {ring, dialing, off-hook}, making one of the bits untrustworthy, which is part of why modems maxed out at about 56,000 BPS rather than 64,000.) And yes, that IS a decimal 8,000, not 8K.
DS1/T1 packs one bit of overhead and 24 bytes of payload into a 193-bit "frame". A T1 feed will typically be "unchannelized" - you get to use the 24 bytes. So the data rate is 1.544 Mhz, and you get to use 1.536 Mbps. For PPP the data will typically be HDLC packets, but some applications will use ATM cells (stuffed with packets fragmented according to the AAL5 standard). The data packaging and protocols will consume some of that remaining bandwidth.
(ISDN come in two flavors. One ("primary rate"?) uses a T1 but steals one of the 24 DS0s for signaling. The other ("base rate"?) is a format similar in style to a T1, but with the payload stripped down to 2 DS0 channels plus a narrow signaling channel. ISDN makes "digital phone calls" of DS0 bandwidth. Typical equipment can make multiple calls and use MultiLink PPP to combine them into a bigger pipe.)
Higher rates were originally designed to pack up and carry lower rates. A "channelized" DS2 carries 4 DS1s, a DS3 carries 7 DS2s (i.e. 28 DS1s). But if you buy a point-to-point DS3 you can also use it "unchannelized":
An unchannelized DS3/T3 runs at 44.736 MHz. One bit in 85 is used for overhead, and the rest are payload, so you get about 44.21 Mhz raw bandwidth. Again your typical PPP feed will use HDLC, but an ISP talking to a DSLAM will use ATM cells. If he expects to do voice-over-packet he might use the "PLCP mapping" of the ATM cells into the DS3 to trade away about 4% of the bandwidth to pass timing information to the DSLAM. (T1 clock rates are tightly synchronized, to keep the DS0s - which are the voice sampling rate - synchronized, preventing "clicks" in your phone. T3 rates are very accurate, but NOT tightly synchronized. A click every three days is acceptable. A click every few minutes is not.)
An OC-1/STS-1 has, per second:
- 8000 frames, each composed of
- 9 rows, each composed of
- 90 octets.
For a total bit rate of 51.84 Mhz. The first three octets in each row are used for overhead related to alligning and tranporting the data. The rest is payload. Depending on what the payload IS, perhaps one byte per row might be used for overhead there, as well.
The payload is allowed to "float" within the 87*9 non-overhead bytes of the framing structure, so that when it hops from one framing to another the box where it hops doesn't need a big buffer to get it alligned, and so things don't break if the boxes' clocks drift. Part of the 3-bytes-per-row overhead is a pointer showing where the start of the payload's frame is currently located within the STS frame.
You'll notice that the STS-1 rate is similar to the T3 rate, and that's NOT an accident. The SONET standard was designed to interface with the existing phone network, and the T3 was the layer where they started. One of the many possible payloads of an OC-1/STS-1 is a DS3. So for raw usable data rates think OC-1 = T3. You'll be dead on if it's carrying a T3, and real close if it's carrying something else.
An STS-n/OC-n is N times the STS-1/OC-1 rate, and carries N times the payload. Unlike the DSn hierarchy, which has separate standards for each layer, SONET defines a general mechanism for higher rates. So the particular rates that are of interest are the ones for which equipment manufacturers chose to build the equipment.
The format of an STS-n is just N STS-1s, with their framing alligned, interleaved by byte, i.e. the first byte from STS-1 number one, then the first from from STS-1 number 2, and so on for N bytes. Then the second byte from STS-1 nubmer 1, and so on forever.
There are two flavors of combining them. An STS-n/OC-n is N separate STS-1/OC-1 channels. An STS-nC/OC-nC is a single channel: There are still N STS-1 framing strucures, but a single payload is smeared out across all of them.
Bantam Dominique roosters crow a four-note song. Once you've heard it as "Happy BIRTHday" you can't NOT hear it that way
Table of various transports and their respective speeds
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DrEldarion wrote "They've already done experiements where they put electrodes on a guy and he was able to move a cursor around the screen just by thinking about it... (sorry, I forgot where I read that... no link :/ ) "
Here's some links to articles about that:
Also, a Slashdot article:
" Anyways, I'm sure that eventually you'll just have a DataJack in your head (just like in ShadowRun!) where you'll just plug in a cable and you're all set. "
Sounds like fun to me! ;-)
Impossible means no one's done it yet.
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Impossible means no one's done it yet.
I assume you're referring to a digital reproduction of the contents of the Library of Congress.
I sure hope you aren't transferring the books, or (heaven forbid) the actual Library! That would take at least a couple months.
Donny
AS long as it comes with decent anti virus.
- Damnit, I'm dead Jim
The press release says it was TDM.
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I think if you include the SONET headers yes 155 megabits per second...If you mean the payload...its 153.
I, for one, am getting damn tired of my 1.5 meg dsl. In my new house, i had fiber optic cable installed to the alley, where it is waiting for the missing last-mile fiber provider. It would be great to have a neighborhood LAN, and to be able to play various games with the entire town at 1-2ms pings :) Not to mention that 30gps porn problem, just need a huge hard disk array and a sniffer/packet grabber to snarf all of the porn that the entire neighborhood looks at. Then i'll be able to make one of those little matrix-folder-with-a-string on all of my neighbors. -Jeff
My cousin works at Nortel on this stuff. He was telling me that the OC-768 system that HE was working on employed 400 wavelengths of light on a single line.
It's about 1.5 gigabit/sec, which is about the same rate as uncompressed HDTV, which can be compressed down to 19 megabit/sec.
Mea navis aericumbens anguillis abundat
"In my day, sonny, we only had a 64kbps connection to my house. Thats right. And that's when I was already an adult. Now every house comes with a standard 40Gbps line. Aren't you special. You don't know what its like to have to wait for your keystrokes to be echoed back to your terminal screen. Oh, sorry, you don't even know what a keyboard is do ya. Get outta here."
The next site to slashdot will be ready soon, but subscribers can beat the rush and start slashdotting it early!
Where's the obligatory conversion of 40Gbps into X Libraries of Congress/second?
6.4 terabits per second? 800,000,000 meg a second? That'd be rather impressive.
Anyways, I wonder how attenuation will be for these cables. Is 428 some miles the maximum? That's impressive compared the the meters measured for fiber optic. Can repeaters be installed to incresase the distance even if necessary? I could see this implemented around the world.
Who knows, maybe in a few years we'll be seeing oc-1024k's :-)
Yay, go future
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Can anyone explain to everyone here how the T1 & T3 and OC3 rates work? I know that OC3 vs. T3 is a difference in Digital only for OC...
We work at a small software company and just got a fraction T1 line in. So we did the math, knowing what a T1 can push. But we realized that a T3 wasn't only 3 times faster than a T1? It was much more. What is the difference? And while we're at it, maybe someone can explain what an OC3 gets vs. Napster's OC-48, and now with the OC-768?
I'd really appreciate it, and would love to know once and for all the correct answer so that we quit guessing around here. Thanks!
Rader
I remember when my trusty 2400 baud serial modem was my hotrod. Now I get my knickers in a bunch when my dsl pipe is running a bit too slow. Looking to the future these types of break neck speeds are going to be a necessity, with ASPs popping up all over the place and more and more companies and individuals wanting to do more on the web than ever before. It would be really nice to save an encrypted backup of my hard drive to some remote server in an instant.
Of course, as this part of a tutorial indicates that higher bitrates allow for fewer channels, getting 80 might not be possible, so we may just have to settle for `only' 160gbps.
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is slashdot going to post a story every time someone at Qwest takes a dump or what?
/. equivalent of a front page headline about how Bell called his other assistant a little over a month after he phoned the first one. The overwhelming response from the telephone using public "Whooptie shit!"
This article was posted a little over a month ago about how the guys at Qwest did a hundred mile round trip at 40Gbs. Is this really that much more signifigant? It just seems to me that this is the
FluX
After 16 years, MTV has finally completed its deevolution into the shiny things network
"It is seldom that liberty of any kind is lost all at once." -David Hume
If this is what we are capable of, then why can I only connect at 26400 bps?
sup
A small company named Enkido was the first to ever offer OC-768 transit, in Manhatten, back in May.
What's even better, if you're talking last mile, you should move to Manhatten, where Enkido has that OC-768 service within 200 feet of *anywhere* on the island (they have 3500 miles of fibre on the island). As with Qwest, they're carrying 40Gbps on a single lamba (wavelength), so they currently peak out at 6.4Tbps, although hopes of ever *routing* that are pretty low at this point.
What's the data rate thru your monitor cable for 1024x768 32bit color @ 60fps? With this kinda bandwidth, I wonder if one day it'd be possible for people who don't want the 'hassle' of having a computer (read: your grandma) to just plug a monitor, kb, and mouse into the wall...
If Qwest can't even keep a simple point-to-point T1 up, how are they going to deal with OC-768??? Our T-1 goes down multiple times a week due to their incompetence. Router reboots, network outages, and any other excuse they can come up with. And our link is in a major metropolitan city. Save your money. Go buy your link from someone else.
If you're talking about New York, NY -- that's spelled "Manhattan." If you're not, please tell me so I can leave here for there!
oh my side..
-mg.
Um *cough* Look at the television. When it first came out, they were black and white and were the signature of the rich. Now everyone has at least one in color and many are getting digital cable and sattellite. Within 20 years, bums will have access to personal wireless T3 lines =P
I think that the real problem is that many companies don't have computers with harddrives that fast.
this article is directly about the 2.4.0 kernel.. specificaly how you can get it downloaded as fast as possible. Now do you understand the relevance?
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Then software vendors have a perfect solution to piracy just have a whole massive game that takes 10 CDs be downloaded over the net for one time use for a single period of playing in just 5 minutes. This is a bad thing that anyone could do with time.
What is power if not for the furtherance of power. Power is a gift in it's own right and a means unto itself.
> Note: if they need beta testers, just lemme
> know! I can write a mean bug report ("My pr0n is
> only getting 30gps! Please fix!")
My friend, if 30Gps of pr0n isn't enough then maybe it's *you* that needs to be fixed...
Didn't Bill Gates say that 640Kps of pr0n ought to be enough for anybody?
If tits were wings it'd be flying around.
The best way to generate 40Gbps, as everyone knows, is by using thousands of trained monkeys typing on thousands of typewriters.
If you give them enough time, you will also get Hamlet as a by-product.
He's not me. Note the "." following the user name.
Bruce Perens.
Bruce
Bruce Perens.
One thing that Ive never had adequately explained to me is grades of fiber.. I understand the difference beteween single mode and multi mode fiber, but is upgrading a fiber instalation just swapping out the trancevers? (connectors asside) Or do you have to worry about quality of the light pipe?
There has to be a large infrastructure to support it and also that means extremely high implimentation costs. That's why I am stuck with a modem and only billionarires are using massive bandwidth pipes. Also with telcos charging up the ass for T-1's I don't think that this will change anything just how much more they can charge the big guys. Also don't you consider an application that someone else controls a bad thing? Last I checked it's far far better to own a think than to borrow on a per use basis. I will never "borrow" any of my software even if that means using linux for the rest of my life.
What is power if not for the furtherance of power. Power is a gift in it's own right and a means unto itself.
You obviously don't have any idea of what equipment transporting these amounts of data costs. And how expensive it is to set up a local DSL-POP.
bottm-line: broadband-services costs more money than consumers are willing to pay, and since this is a market-driven world, that will only change when either of two happens:
1. People are willing to pay more to get more
2. Prices on equipment drop
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