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The Hugo Awards: Word From A Winner
mouthbeef writes: "The year 2000 Hugo Awards have been awarded. Cryptonomicon didn't win but A Deepness in the Sky did. And hey, so did I. AFAIK, this is the first first-person account of a Hugo win published on the Web, and I know for a fact that my acceptance speech was the only one to contain an URL."
I have to agree with you on that one. How the hell a movie with Tim Allen could ever be considered good is a bit of sci-fi in itself.
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Perhaps because "Science Fiction" has become known to most people as simply aliens and the deep reaches of outerspace over the years. The Matrix, on the other hand, was more of a "Computer", or "Geek Fiction."
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I found myself struggling to finish Cryptonomicon, it left me uninvolved with the characters and didn't seem to introduce any new ideas. This is disappointing because the concept had great potential, but in the end it came down to rather blunt corporate manouvering (which I think was included to cover up the problems with the data warehouse concept), and a hunt for some war booty (and then it was only gold!). In the end it felt like the author ran out of steam midway and then thought "hey, didn't I read about X in Popular Mechanics?", and sticks a reference to it in the story.
On the other hand, Deepness stayed with me. For the first time I realised the immense power (both in the good and bad sense) inherent in 'pervasive computing'. I assume this may be old-news to those who read Cyberpunk genre, but i'd not encountered it before.
Also, I really liked the way Vinge envisaged layer upon layer of computer architectures accumulating over thousands of years. I seem to recall that he implied that down in the deep depths file names were 8.3...
However, everything isn't perfect, while Vinge's aliens (the arachnids) are interesting, they are not as alien as the SMP creatures from his first book. Vinges description of alien buildings was really clever - from the point of view of the aliens they were described the way we would describe a room, warm, cozy, but from the point of view of the humans the rooms were darkly alien.
Also, Vinge is an IT academic, and he treads the line between speculative and fantasy very well.
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Of course a film about the science fiction fandom phenomenon will score better with science fictions fans than an actual science fiction film!
Smoke and mirrors pointed at mirrors, Itellya...
It sure is a sign of how bad things are for SF movies these days, when Galaxy Quest even gets considered in this category..
Never underestimate the bandwidth of a 747 filled with CD-ROMs.
It doesn't surprise me much about The Matrix. I know folks who treat it quasi-religiously, but really The Matrix didn't impress me as much as Thirteeth Floor. Same concept, but more drama and a better plot twist.
I enjoyed The Matrix alot the second time I saw it. That was after I had gotten over the hype and realized you shouldn't watch it for the plot. It's great eye candy, and a very well done translation of that anime feel to live action, but an original story it's not. Phillip Dick (to mention only one)was playing with those world-inverting ideas forty years ago. And in the list of nominations for this year's Hugos, The Thirteenth Floor did much more interesting things with the same idea.
I haven't seen Galaxy Quest, so I can't really say whether or not it deserved to win, but I'd be disappointed if The Matrix had. I'd like to think that the Hugos favour glossy special effects over story less often than the movie-going public usually does.
Of the four that made the ballot that I did see, Being John Malkovich was by far my favorite. It actually contained some original thought, and what it lacked in rigour was more than made up for in it's wonderfully playful approach.
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He gives us a future in which the programming art has advanced less in the next 3,000 years than it has in the last 10.... And finally, he reguritates endless truisms about "what computers can't do"
Remember when Pham says, "Nanotech! The failed dream." A major plot device in Deepness is that technological progress came to a screeching halt in the beginning of the 21st century -- just on the verge of nanotech. The concept of why technology stopped is explained in A Fire Upon the Deep.
Interestingly, Vernor Vinge did speculate on what people's reactions would be to Deepness if they hadn't first read Fire.
I've never seen Thirteenth Floor. It was a predecessor, no? Is it worth seeing?
-J
Karma: T-rexcellent.
Science fiction writers are, by and large, writers and not technologists. They use technology metaphorically in the same way ancient poets evoked the gods and goddesses of the Greek Pantheon. They do tend to be more educated about science than writers in other fields, but science fiction really isn't science.
Dave Langford, writer, critic and journalist has been commenting on his Hugo wins online for years... Maybe not on the web, but certainly in Usenet and on conferencing services.
And this year Ansible got another, making 18...
Take a look at Ansible, the best little SF newszine around.
S.
Um, I'm afraid you don't understand Vinge very much. Ever heard the phrase "Vingean Singularity"? Vinge doesn't believe in limitations for computers -- he develops artificial limits for his fiction *because* he doesn't believe there are limits. He thinks that in a relatively short period of time, that the acceleration curve of technology will go asymptotic, rising so steeply, in such extreme change that we will be unable to understand the world on the other side. In particular, he thinks that when computers begin to be able to design their own improvements is when this is most likely to happen.
Because the post-Singularity world is impossible to write about, he writes either the people who for some reason or another are isolated from the Singularity (his Bobble future) or a universe where there has been artificial limits imposed on computing power in areas of the galaxy (the Zones of the Deepness/Fire universe.) He sees the Singularity arriving as soon as 30 years from now, so it's not surprising that in the Zones universe computers are not that much advanced beyond today's.
I'm not sure how much I agree with Vinge on the Singularity concept, but saying 'he has not kept up with computer science and technology' is foolish, nto the least because he's a professor of computer science (distributed and embedded computer systems.)
Being a Campbell nominee at a WorldCon is a dose of fast celebrity. People shake your hands in the halls and wish you good luck, camera crews shoot your fumbling words.
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On the Science Fiction Writing newsgroup there was (big surprise) a huge discussion about Cryptonomicon and whether or not it qualified as SF. One poster said that SF was fiction about 'knowing things', and that by that definition, Cryptonomicon was about the most SF novel he had ever read. I think that may not be the best definition of SF ever, but that's a pretty great description of Cryptonomicon.
"Bugger this, I want a better world." - Jenny Sparks
I think it's pretty clear why this happened.
The Sixth Sense was one of the most popular movies last year. Even if it wasn't looked on very kindly by many genre folk, it had a decent story, high production values, and some great acting by Willis, as well as yon precocious kid. So it was bound to get some of the more conventional votes here, as well as stand in for the fantasy crowd.
The Matrix was clearly the favorite going in, especially among young people. There would be a very strong vote for this movie no matter what. At the same time, a number of people just didn't like it (some of them are here). I, for one, thought it was the odds-on favorite, even though it was my personal 2nd choice.
The Iron Giant was a quirky entry that appealed to a certain minority. I thought a lot of people in this kind of literate forum might support it, but didn't expect it to win. It was my first choice.
Anyway, I forget what the other nom was -- Blair Witch? The Haunting?
With such a crowded field of worthy candidates, but all somewhat appealing to different crowds, the middle-of-the-road crowd-pleaser is a slam dunk -- nothin' but net. And GQ was actually better than that -- it was smart and funny.
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A lot of hard sf fans on usenet had some pretty big beefs with the science part of The Matrix. Using humans 'with a form of fusion power' as an energy source was the part that most of them choked on IIRC. After all, if you've got fusion power, the juice in a human body is a pretty trivial amount. Of course, that's assuming that Morpheus was correct...
Anyway, I'm just speculating, I probably would have voted for The Matrix (and Cryptonomicon).
"Bugger this, I want a better world." - Jenny Sparks
Vinge has been dealing with the issue of what he calls the Singularity: transhumanity once we hit the near-vertical portion of the curve of knowledge within the next 60-120 years if no major die-back or war set us back on our asses.
What is fascinating is how in the 1992 Hugo winner "A Fire Upon The Deep" and in its 1999 prequel, now also a Hugo winner, "A Deepness In The Sky", Vinge is able to study both sides of the Singularity in the *same universe*, and indeed with one very human character in common, despite the one book's events occurring about 30,000 years and about three fifths of the galaxy's diameter apart.
In "Deepness", Vinge deals with the Era of Failed Dreams: no faster than light drives, no human-plus computing, no Singularity.
The irony (and poignancy) for those who have first read "Fire" is that the events of "Deepness" occur deep in the Slow Zone, where FTL, human-plus computing and the Singularity are impossible due to the division of our galaxy (and apparently other galaxies) into distinct regions following lines of mean density (the core is the Unthinking Depths, Sol is in the Slow Zone, FTL is first available further out in the Beyond and Transcendence (the Singularity) and human-plus computers are possible only in the Transcend out at the edge and between galaxies), while "Fire" starts in the Low Transcend, switches to the High Beyond, drops to the Bottom of the Beyond and finishes in the Slow Zone.
Many of the desires of the characters in "Deepness" are impossible to fulfill in the Slow Zone, and they are not even aware of the existence of the Zones, which appear to be possibly artificial measures to protect the birth and development of infant civilizations from otherwise being overwhelmed by any single expansive species (This is one of the more original answers to Fermi's paradox concerning the apparent absence of detectable extraterrestrial civilizations).
Once the Zones are discovered, most societies attempt to colonize the Beyond in order to use FTL to travel, trade and (rarely) conquer, rather than stay mired in the Slow Zone.
Rarely, some elements of a civilization will colonize the Transcend, leading to short-lived transcendent entities. But it's risky to trade with Gods - just read your mythology. In fact, the topic of communicating with Transcendents is called Computing and Applied Theology. Remember that Vinge teaches Computer Science.
Vinge did a similar study of both sides of the Singularity on Earth in his two earlier novels from 1986 and 1988 respectively, the Peace War (setting us back from the Singularity for two generations or more) and its much richer sequel Marooned In Realtime. A novella, "The Ungoverned", is set in the same history not long before the Singularity.
It is not possible that the two sets of stories (Peacers and Zones of Thought) occur in the same universe: the former Peacer Della Lu made a trip to the Lesser Megellanic Cloud, and hence would have made it out of the Slow Zone with a resulting improvement in both her own intelligence and that of her devices.
Vinge in his universe of "Fire" and "Deepness" is adept at showing truly alien societies, the effect of technology on thinking beings for whom we come to care deeply, and using principles of computer science and networking in genuinely original ways for science fiction, although not, I suspect, for network gurus.
Even his choice of low bandwidth for ultrawave allows for a Usenet-like galactic culture in the Beyond and the Low Transcend in "Fire", with much effect for rueful recognition. I suspect that "Fire" was one of the books that influenced the second and third seasons of television scripts by J.M. Stracynski for his series "Babylon 5".
But that is another post.
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(Me too!) Deepness was one of the finest "classic" SF novels I have read in recent years. Humane, rich, "deep", it should be honored with the Hugo, as it was, because it sits squarely in that genre. Cryptonomicon, on the other hand, is Stephenson moving his SF leanings right into the mainstream. It's a juicy, entertaining read, but doesn't reverberate like Vinge's work. It will get its own rewards (a miniseries? millions of non-SF readers?) but I think the Hugo committee made the right choice this year!
I'm reading it for the second time. It was so good, I started over. Picking up stuff I didn't pick up the first time. Doing the "I love this part" to myself. Anyway, it is definitely NOT science fiction. How could it be? It is, however, one of the best novels I've ever read. Highly recommended.
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I agree with you more than I disagree. I really wasn't lucid enough when I posted that.
1. as you point out, complete originality is overrated, and perhaps even impossible. Every writer (books, poetry, screenplays, whatever) is influenced by those that have gone before, and somehow has to deal with that tension (yes, I'm ripping off Harold Bloom here). To criticize something simply as being unoriginal is disingenious at best, and usually just a cheap attack. On the other hand, a work can be so derivitive that you might as well just go to the source.
My initial reaction to the movie was heavily biased by the fact that I had heard so many people say how wonderfully original it was. Well, maybe by Hollywood's standards, but it's a difficult position to hold if you're aware of the vast amount of good science fiction that has been written over the decades (and I'm not trying to imply that you don't. Just that a frightening number of sf fans haven't read anything published before 1990).
2. I'm not sure whether the type of media matters, but I can't agree strongly enough that it's nice to see a movie that brings some of the better concepts from science fiction to the mainstream. Too many movies in this genre have the consistency of Wonderbread. The Matrix was definitely a nice change from that.
3. Again, you're absolutely right that theologians were tackling ideas that Dick later picked up. Books like VALIS, The Three Stigmata of Palmer Eldritch or Radio Free Albemuth draw heavily on gnostic literature, St. Francis of Assisi, and probably a half dozen others I don't know anything about.
But my point is that he didn't merely copy their work over from one medium to another, he used it as a starting point for his own explorations. The Matrix wasn't straight plagiarism either, but it also didn't explore the ideas that it introduced in a terribly fresh way. Maybe you can't do that in a movie yet and expect anything at the box office. The audience is listening, but they might not be ready to think that hard.
My long-winded point is really that while I enjoyed The Matrix, I think it gets too much credit for being things that it's not. It was a great ride, visually gorgeous depiction of one of the more interesting ideas in science fiction. But it wasn't a creative or thorough exploration of that idea.
You're opinions may vary.
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What, Clancey isn't science fiction? No, I'm sorry, you're right: it's fantasy!
Personally, I'd add "Carrie", and "Needful Things" to that list of decent Stephen King movies. (Coming from not the biggest SK fan on earth.)
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Of course not as good as the books (The book Carrie rocked), but what movie is? I do think these two stood on their own as pretty good movies, though.
On all other points... wholeheartedly agreed.
Definitely worth seeing 13th floor. It's more mature than Matrix, IMHO.
Sterling
I'm not sure you grasp the underlying points of Vinge's fictional universe. Either that, or you are ingnoring them to make somewhat valid points that are somewhat irrelevant when discussing a work of fiction.
The Qeng Ho make a living selling technological advances to cultures that have reverted back to barbarism and are working their way back up. The Qeng Ho do make technological progress, but they never solve the "magical" problems that people always assumed would be solved eventually. They just happen to have a higher level of technology than their usual customers, that's all. According to the rules that Vinge set up in A Fire Upon the Deep, the Qeng Ho and everyone they meet must run into problems that are fundamentally impossible to solve because of their "geographical" position in Vinge's Zones. Once an author sets up rules like this, I really don't care how crazy they seem, as long as the author follows them (or breaks them in some well-written and well-reasoned manner!).
My point is that IN THE CONTEXT OF HIS BOOKS there are very good reasons why technology cannot advance beyond a certain point. In Deepness I think they mention that these problems have been attempted countless times over thousands of years, and not just by a few guys for a few years. Of course, the fact that the spiders seem to be able to break some of those rules might lead you to believe that Vinge is toying with this whole concept, but that's a topic for another time.
All I'm saying is that I see where you are going with your points, but they really have little to do with the "concept" of these novels. That's it. They don't necessarily have to have anything to do with the state of technological progress as we see it IRL.
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I think you are missing (or maybe just forgetting) a crucial thing about the "alienness" of those spiders.
WARNING SPOILER IF YOU HAVE NOT READ DEEPNESS!!!!
The whole description we have of them is NOT their own description, but their own description TRANSLATED into terms the human characters out in space can understand. I think this is one of the most brilliant parts of the book. The whole time I was reading it, I just couldn't shake the feeling that these spiders seemed a little too human even if we were assuming Vinge was simpy writing from their viewpoint. When our side of the story is revealed as a sort of translated, re-enacted entertainment program for the humans, it all just clicks into place quite nicely - especially when we eventually get that first-hand account of what the spiders and their buildings actually look like!
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My opinion here:
I thought it was interesting. I thought it was fun. I thought the effects were good. I was pleased to see SF getting that sort of attention.
I didn't think it was at all deep. In fact, on a particularly objectionable day, I might go so far as to say I thought it was shallow. They had some good ideas and a good story, but didn't want to go for that extra edge in the storytelling. A mistake, IMO - Mission: Impossible and the first two Batman films would seem a fair indication that its target audience will still enjoy a (relatively) complex film and that they can make good money. Heck, wasn't Batman breaking records at the time?
I'll be interested to see what they do with the sequels but I'm not expecting works of genius.
Greg
(Inside a nuclear plant)
Aaaarrrggh! Run! The canary has mutated!
I started reading "To say nothing of the dog" which I picked up randomly at a bookstore. It's well written but I just can't swallow things like "Ms. such and such won't accept that you're sick on the verge of dying, you have to go back to work". Gimme a break, there's no such a person that will risk his life just so a stupid fat yelling woman, his employer, will stop bugging him. He'd quit and/or tell her to go to hell, or just sit in the hospital till he's ok. Is anyone making books that have *believable* characters in them any more??
Vernor Vinge has recently retired from his position as a Mathematical and Computer Sciences professor at San Diego State University.
Now he can write full time.
Why Hugo? Why not Waldo?
Hugo Gernsback, creator of Amazing Stories, the first science-fiction magazine.
CONGRATS to the submitter of this post on winning the 2000 John W. Campbell Award!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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What an achievement! Way to go, keep writing. .
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I liked the Matrix, but it was definitely overrated (especially in the geek community it appears); it appears to me that there have been very few really good sci-fi movies in the past few years. Even the best (Gattaca, Pitch Black) weren't that memorable.
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...for her novella, The Winds of Marble Arch (online at Asimov's).
... and she's still in the prime of her career.
If the count is up to date, this makes her fourteenth major award -- six Nebulas, and eight Hugos. That's more than any other sf author, even some of the big names
Frankly, I had a hard time with The Doomsday Book, for various reasons including the fact that major characters playing with dangerous technology acted like idiots, but in the end it was very worthwhile. I'm just surprised it took me so many years to discover her. (Easy to do when you quit reading new sf, like I did.)
But I've now read more of her "Dunsworthy time machine" stories, the collection Fire Watch, which is top-notch, and I've jsut begun last year's Hugo winner for novel, To Say Nothing of the Dog. Not to be missed. If you've been off the SF beat for a while, pick up some Willis, you'll be glad you did.
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I think we are getting (or have already gotten) to the point where robots and genetic engineering are in most of our normal lives. Maybe not to the full extent as they eventually will be. I mean, come on, you think those Tomatoes you ate are 100% natural? And remember, Battle Bots is playing on Comedy Central...
OK, just in case you didn't see Zoyd's response, here's the relevant Vinge quote about your cs point:
(from this interview)
EH_Rob
Vernor, tell me a little about the Qeng Ho background, their software for example. How much of your idea there comes from software development issues we're already facing?
Vernor_Vinge
Almost all of it. The scenario in Deepness is that we can't solve software complexity problems and so things begin to level out in the 21st cetnury. By the time of this story, there are literally millennia of legacy software out there. These guys are incrementally a lot better than we, but they still suffer from the same kinds of software and system gotchas.
So maybe you would consider that kind of answer a cop-out, but at least he has an explanation (and since you apparently did read A Fire Upon the Deep I assume you know why his explanation makes sense in that universe). And BTW, I happen to think that the award for the best sf novel should be based on the highest quality writing not the most accurate extrapolation of computer science technology. But hey, I like to read, so maybe that's just me
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You call it like you see it....and I think you see it just right. Cryptonomicon is 3 times the SF book that Deepness is....and it's not even really written as traditional SF. Note that science fiction per se doesn't have to be future fiction. In fact, it can be past fiction (eg. the so called steam punk books). It (IMNSHO) merely has to be speculative/extrpolative, and involve scientific principles (as opposed to, say, magic). Cryptonomicon qualifies....and is about the best novel to come down the pike since maybe Neuromancer (or perhaps Stephenson's other books).
Ah....but who will Moderate the Meta Moderators?
One of the central (traditional) approaches of good hard science fiction is to take one or two main "what if" ideas and then just explore their consequences. Cryptonomicon does this, but the "what if" doesn't really involve any stunningly new concepts -- it just takes the current situation a few tiny paces further and examines social aspects. (Having said all that, I'd like to say that it kicks ass.)
Deepness takes a number of really big "what if" ideas and starts playing with them. (Including an awesome take on "distributed computing." :-) Vinge also does some really cruel things to his characters. Made me squirm to read it. (You know a novel is good when it makes you shudder involuntarily.)
Haven't read Fire yet, so I don't know anything about the universe that Deepness is a prequel to.
You cannot apply a technological solution to a sociological problem. (Edwards' Law)
now stfu
Time for some tasty Shiner Bock!
What idiot at CrapHound thought it would be a good idea to limit the font to 12 pixels.. presumably they use 800*600 or something, because at 1280*1024 it's horribly tiny, and changing font size does nothing when it's limited like that.
Wish you could override CSS in IE... and any font size smaller than the main body text (hey, my default size and font is nice and readable, it's perfect, I don't want some dumbass web "designer" screwing with it), and JavaScript.OpenWindow (except in hyperlinks), and all the other stupid JavaScript design bugs (wtf does a scripting language have to grab events from the mouse buttons, or be able to move windows about, or do things when you leave a page, argh), and, well, *AAAAAARRRRRRRGGGGGGHHHHHHHH*.
Yes, it really pisses me off that most so called designers seem more interested in eye candy and l337 fonts than whether their sites are even vaguely usable. Sigh.
I for one get really bored whenever someone starts reminding us that most of the things in Matrix were in fact thought up by writers decades ago.
Some points:
1. Hardly any thought is original. Most of what you read in books or see in the cinema are reprocessed ideas from the past. Sometimes just a few years back, sometimes centuries -- in new clothes. You could dissect almost any movie this way and point to earlier work that contributed to it -- inadvertedly or otherwise.
2. A movie is not a book. Just because a movie uses some of the ideas from the book does not make it a blockbuster movie. Or even interesting one. Most of Stephen King's books turned out to be boring when translated to screen (with arguable exceptions of "Shining" and "Misery"). The fact that Dick (and others, centuries(!) ago), came up with some ideas that found their way into "Matrix" by no means makes it _lesser_ movie. To the contrary -- it's probably the first movie that managed to introduce some quite complex ways of thinking about our world to unwashed masses. And how beautifully at that.
3. I could argue here, that teologians from centuries ago were tacking ideas that Dick later picked up. Is it a valid point? Does it diminish the quality of Dick's works? Judge by yourself.
Milek
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I have a small site that lists my favorite authors, and some kind soul recommended Vinge to me last year, but I want to find a site that talks about new and upcoming sf, as well as old stuff I might have missed.
Read a good book lately?
Read a good book lately?
I'm totally overwhelmed by the positive response here (and, of course, wincing at the negative ones... Yah, I shoulda closed the <i> tag, I need to fix the stylesheet, I shoulda linked to Vinge, etc etc etc), especially from old friends and other nominees. Thanks folks. If you're interested in more information on the notion that "piracy" is in fact the future of media-distribution, have a look at the software company I founded last year, openCOLA -- yes, we're the same people who are releasing an open source softdrink.
Loved 'em both, but Cryptonomicon is less traditionally science-fictionish so I guess I can see the point, even though I loved it. Has anybody noticed that it's harder to tell what science fiction is when things like "terminator" and "jurassic park" count as mainstream even though they involve robots, time travel, and genetic engineering?
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But how about Slashdot starts an sf competition of its own (or make it a horror competition, and call 'em the "Slashies" :-), maybe for the best short story published online?
Danny.
I have written over 900 book reviews
A *lot* of y'all here read sf, but appear to know very little about fandom (I won't mention the little snots), so...
SF existed before the 1920s, but it came into existance as a genre with Hugo Gernsback's creation of Amazing Stories in '26. That's why they're called the Hugos.
Fandom began shortly after, in the late 20s and early 30s, when folks writing to the lettercols realized that that some of the other letter writers lived in their own town.
The first con was in Philly, in '36 (when half-a-dozen guys from NYC came down to Philly, to meet half a dozen guys from Philly). The first Worldcon was in 1939, with over 200 folks. It's down now, slightly, from the high point of the 80's, but Chicon, the 58th Worldcon, was over 6000 attendees, and we ate both towers of the downtown Hyatt Regency, the Fairmont, and the Swissotel.
Unlike Oscars, etc, there is no self-appointed elite, who decide what is the One True Right. Anyone who ponies up their money to join Worldcon can nominate anything (nominations close around the beginning of spring), and you can vote after that. All you have to be, is a member. So, those of us who read it the most, and who care the most, are the ones who nominate and vote.
Someone mentioned the SF-Lovers list, but I didn't see mention of the rec.arts.sf heirarchy (that was *real* busy, and had a good number of newsgroups already, when I got on the 'Net in late 91). Also, the culture of the newsgroups was *real* familiar to me...it looked and sounded just like a party at a con, or an APA (think of a snail-mail newsgroup).
We were here first, guys. Who did you think you invented a lot of this? Wassamatter, you so afraid of the Big Blue Room that you can't deal with us in person?
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Oh...and for only about the third time I can remember, someone actually involved with a film was there to get their Hugo, when it was announced who won - both the writer *and* the director, and I don't think there was a doubt in anyone's mind that the Hugo meant to the writer what it meant to us...not when he got up there, and went incoherent!
mark
Congrats. I'd like to take this moment to quote you out of context. "Putting on the tux before the ceremony heightened the sense of moment" from your page. Heehee.
As a Starlight reader I look to see your story soon.
This was just posted to wear-hard, the wearable-computing mailing list:
Vernor Vinge to keynote ISWC 2000
From: "Thad E. Starner"
Date: Sun, 3 Sep 2000 23:45:17 -0400 (EDT)
Folks-
Vernor Vinge will be giving the keynote address at the International Symposium on Wearable Computers (ISWC) 2000 on Oct. 16 here in Atlanta at the Sheraton Colony Square Hotel.
I was not aware that Vernor was up for the Hugo this year, much less that he has actually won it, it appears! Wow - serendipity!
Many congratulations to Vernor and hope to see y'all soon in Atlanta.
Thad
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The "singularity" is apples to his computer oranges. The "singularity" is some ill-defined notion that exponential growth in human knowledge will cause us all to vanish in a puff of transcendence. That's a purely human thing, accomplished without the aid of machine intelligence. By the same token, Deepness has componentized Rainmen accomplish things that are fundamentally beyond the ability of computers. In both cases, he's squarely in the camp that says that human intelligence and machine intelligence is fundamentally different -- and human intelligence is, of course, better.
fredegar:
I'm wondering if you have any specific ideas for a near future novel running around in your head. What current developments would you want to explore?
V_Vinge:
Wearable computing... Fine grained distributed computing involving networked embedded systems. Wearables together with such networks and good localizing technology would make cyberspace creep out into the real world. There would be the easy implementation of effective joint entities, such as a house bound older person, and a mobile younger person, together are able to make a lot more of a career than either could separately.
So, Cryptonomicon was great, and this makes we want to read A Deepness in the Sky, but this all pales the shock of seeing Galaxy Quest beat The Matrix. Unless that category was, "Best Science Fiction Comedy", I can't imagine how a spoof of trekkies could win out over one of the most awesome visualizations of a science fiction concept on the silver screen, ever.
You would think that Hugo winners would be more involved with the web than they are. Maybe they are so involved with the future that they don't realize we have some pretty good stuff in the present.
Enigma
but this all pales the shock of seeing Galaxy Quest beat The Matrix
The Muppet Movie almost won a Hugo in 1980.
No, it's GNU/Indian
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It says a lot of negative things about the state of science fiction that A Deepness in the Sky is considered the year's best SF novel -- and thus, by implication, the best novel about computers. I used to enjoy Vinge's fiction a long time ago, when SF did more hand-waving than it does now, and he wrote light-hearted stories about star-hopping librarians. But he has simply not kept up with computer science and technology, despite his pretensions to the contrary. He gives us a future in which the programming art has advanced less in the next 3,000 years than it has in the last 10. He tells us that in the future, all calenders will be measured in the number of seconds since 00:00:00 1-Jan-1970 GMT (a system that wouldn't work even if everybody had an embedded Unix box, never mind an epoch where many people spend years at high-tau). And finally, he reguritates endless truisms about "what computers can't do" -- and applies them in situations where they are extremely dubious, even if you buy into all that Dreyfus mystical nonsense.
I should know better. Last time I raised even the tiniest doubts about somebody's favorite SF author, I actually got death threats. Oh well, bring em on.
way to go!
Paul
Just finished reading (and rereading) it a few weeks ago. The quality of story-telling is superb. The plot twisters, and there were quite a few, were foreshadowed, but well-hidden or dismissed on first reading. Most SF writers (hard or otherwise) don't capture that feeling of the vastness of time and space as well as Vinge did on this and it's sequel (A Fire Upon the Deep, which also won a Hugo). The ending is particularly... romantic, hopeful and sad, esp. to those who have read AFOTD and knew what will happen, by inferance.
He's my favourite SF writer now, ahead of Stephenson (slightly), Asimov, Clarke, Herbert, etc. YMMV, of course, but this books is a MUST read.
Offtopic: He uses emacs (somewhere near bottom of page) to write the story!
My favorite SF novels all involve young people having fun. How can you go wrong with Tom Wolf's Electric Kool-Aid Acid Test, Mark Twain, John Miller, or Martin Amis? Heck, Do Androids Dream of Electronic Sheep? where no one has too much fun is a great read. Who is this Vinge dude, and what does he have to do with the great town of San Francisco?
Yes, that's a joke. Lighten up.
Incidentally, the seconds-since-1970 convention is not universal, even in the Unix world. Real-time-clocks often use an old-fashioned calendar/wallclock convention, which makes for nasty problems synchronizing them with the system clock. (One widely-used high-end computer has never handled leap years correctly, thanks to some hard-wired logic in its RTC.) For real-time applications, you need more granularity than the traditional Unix clock provides. And of course, if you're coexisting with Netware or NT-server...
mouthbeef also brought up an interesting point that's been debated back and forth in /. (as well as just about everywhere you turn these days): file sharing. Apparently, there's been a fair bit of concern amongst writers about their work getting copied and passed around on the net. A few have considered firing up their legal war machines, and mouthbeef had this to say on his site...
I couldn't have said it better myself!Posted to the MIT announcement system, that inspired the creation of the original huge mailing list, sf-lovers. By the time it made it out to Parc, it was about 6th generation forwarded, and took about a week from original posting to make it to them. It inspired a mail admin named Brodie to create a mail reflector, so such news could get around faster. SF@parc-maxc
It quickly became very successful, and to a bureaucrats attention, prompting its move back to MIT, the name changed to SF-Lovers@mit-ai, where it puttered along still readable by a mostly 300 baud community, until Star Trek the motionless picture came out, otherwise known as the day the mailer died. The MIT mail engine got more than 6 hours behind. Digests happened. Unix mailers that at the time reqired a separate copy per recipient got re-written. We even saw semi-official header forgery -- kicked off MIT's machines due to overloading, its new host (another major university, on the left coast) forged headers to make it look like it still originated at MIT, so its own administration wouldn't know that the mail originated on their system.
As to first time by a hugo winner: One year later, saw the first "@-sign" party. two (past) hugo winners, and one nominee were in attendance (niven, pournelle, and forward. Went thru more irish whiskey than SFWA did that night). So was a suitcase sized portable printing terminal with thermal paper, and an acoustic coupler on the back. Ran at a whopping 300 baud. Results of the voting were posted to the list within hours of live announcement, a comment was added by one of the winners (who got an instant invite to the party when the result got announced) and with the digest maker in attendance at the party to launch a "special edition" of the digest.
So in less than a years time, we went from no list and more than one week from live announcement to first posting, to near real-time coverage, with comments by a winner. (the very first online announcement was delayed, because in 1979 the Worldcon was in Brighton, UK. Still fairly broke at the time, we went to the NASFIC in Loisville, held the following weekend instead, heard the results from some fen that had done both conventions. I posted the announcement when we got back home, slightly suprised that someone hadn't beaten me to it.)
One small comment about the "@-sign" parties. At the time, the arpanet was "our little secret", and we were particularly circumspect about "unofficial" uses of it. We really did worry that Proxmire (who was in office at the time) would find out about recreational use of the net, award a "Golden Fleece" award, and manage to divert the funding to a milk price support program. So it was a harder party to get into than the usual legends of tightly controlled doors, the SFWA and Balantine Books parties. It also made for a very funny panel discussion 6 months later at the 81 Boskone, where the 5 of us siting up at the table in front discussed how such a future system could work, carefully avoiding any use of the present tense, not telling them that "our tax dollars" were paying for one as we sat there.
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easy implementation of effective joint entities, such as a house bound older person, and a mobile younger person, together are able to make a lot more of a career than either could separately.
In "Mad Max 3: Beyond the Thunderdome", the Blaster was an oversized idiot carrying on his shoulders the Master, a clever midget. The Master/Blaster entity ruled the energy of Barter Town.
We don't need another hero.
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Men with no respect for life must never be allowed to control the ultimate instruments of death.
GW Bu
Heck, I've almost given up fighting the HORDE vs. HOARD battle, and that one's a zillion times easier to fight . . . .
I have no
It's kinda hard to explain how Vinge acts & sounds like as a professor (it has been a year since I've taken a class with him), but I'll give it a shot. He has a deep voice, and he doesn't change the pitch of it much. Occasionally, he shows a hint of a studder, but it has never become annoying (IMHO)
The course I took from him was a systems programming class. He was a standard (at least at SDSU) lecture style professor, but he did encourage student feedback. He also liked to interact with his students via office hours & email (I had sent him several emails at 2AM, and received a reply by 3AM) He was always very prepared for class, and it was well known that he spent hours preparing for each of his classes beforehand.
He was an open source advocate, and encouraged the students to copyleft their assignments (see assignment #1 toward bottom of the page) Also, when the class was discussing compilers, a student raised a question (I don't exactly remember what it was) and Vinge gave an answer to the question. Vinge could tell that the student wasn't totally satisfied with his answer, so during the next class session, he brought in a segment of the gcc code & showed the class how the GNU people tackled the issue. He then went on to explain how that was one of the benefits of open source software.
Doh!
Its really bad form to link to Stephenson's book but not to Vinge's. Interesting review here.
Speaking of Vinge, does anybody know if True Names (The 1981 classic updated with essays from people such as RMS and Cypherpunk Timothy May) is every really going to come out? Amazon says it will be published in 2001, but I've been waiting for it since I graduated, which puts it almost years late at this point.
On another topic: did anybody else notice that they still use Unix in the "A Deepness in the Sky?" (Really...at some point, Pham is reflecting on the OS he's hacking, and muses that the zero-date for the OS is when man first stepped on the moon. He later revises this and remembers it's not quite the same date, it's really just a coincidence. That fits the 1969 Moon landing and the 1970 Unix zero-date quite well.) Now that's uptime.
I loved A Deepness in the Sky, but A Fire upon the Deep was probably one of the best and most innovative SF books I've ever read. Vinge's Across Realtime is another great book (actually a collection of three shorter stories).
'Hard' SF has dominated the Hugo's in the past and will probably continue to do so. Cryptonomicon was just too real. How long after the book was published did we hear about Sealand and their data haven?
For fatbrain fans, try:
A Deepness in the Sky
A Fire upon the Sky
For out of print books try alibris.com
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Since I placed in this(don't ask...my english teacher handed me a form a couple years ago when they started the contest and I've been entering ever since. It's compulsive.), I had a chance to attend Chicon. Unfortunately, it conflicted with school starting and some social engagements. But I really wish I had gone, primarily to see the Hugos. I seem to recall the ceremony at the Baltimore Worldcon was quite good, and it sounds like this was just as cool. ;)
One of the things which the author mentions is the pure craziness of being in the vicinity of all these authors and other perosnalities in the SF field. I certainly remember that from Balticon, but no petty panel discussion on alien evolution can beat this guy's experience. Hell, he makes me want to go and win a Hugo.
Congrats, Cory. Now go write some more!
On a related note, I see that the Science of Discworld didn't make it. It' s apity, it really is a good book.
On another related note, I see some people complaining that the Matrix didn't win. I'm not all that surprised. Phenomenal effects, yes. Intriguing storyline, yes. Lots and lots of shooting and killing and blowing things up, yes. But the "it's not real we're all in some grand simulation" idea isn't exactly brand-new (yes, I know, few ideas are, but it was just a wee bit formulaic). Galaxy Quest, on the other hand, was just as entertaining and effects-pumped, but it said a bit more about science fiction, star trek, fans, and humanity. I'll probably get my eyebrows singed for that one, but it had to be said. Please note that The Matrix was also an excellent film. I'm just saying that I can see why Glaxy Quest might have been chosen.
On yet another related note, hurrah for Gardner Dozois. I don't know much about him other than that he edits Asimov's, but there's some tanj fine stuff in that magazine.
-J
Karma: T-rexcellent.
I see "I won" and "he won" .. but WHO is HE??
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Not to mention the fact that there was a german topart series about 15-20 years ago about the same idea, the main difference was that the was humans who were running a very advanced simulation on the computer. So advanced that those in the program had become sentient, and when one person starts to suspect the truth he is the hunted one.
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The Sf-lovers mailing list was a viable thing with several hundred members and at least a dozen messages daily by October 1979. At that point Usenet connected two sites, and had at most a handfull of newsgroups, and some traffic free days.
I know at one point, in the early 80's a gateway was establised to put the mailing list onto Usenet, that might be the origins of the rec.sf heirarchy. (there were several such gateways, some invovling magtapes mailed weekly).
Looking at some usenet history articles, the first public announcement of Usenet happened in early 1980, so the mailing list definetly predates it. (tho I did see one error in that article, so take it with a grain of salt. -- had human-nets preceeding SF-Lovers, when in fact, human-nets got created by Roger Duffy, in response to the star-trek movies swamping of the sf mailing list -- the original charter was to discuss how to manage very large, high volume discussions. (he also started digests as a "temporary" measure till the volume thinned out....))
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Way to Cory! It won't be too long until Canada dominates the Worldcon!
ttyl
Farrell
past Co-Chair, CAN-CON
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