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Displaced Techies Find Sex Sells, And Pays
fataugie writes: "Oh yeah, just when you through the economy and Dot.Bombs couldn't suck anymore, we find that the porn business has a place for you. Enjoy!" Not necessarily in front of the cameras, however, but read those contracts carefully.
that heidi wall becomes a sex worker for the porn industry. SHe can perl my code all day long
or in the serverroom, uptime counts.
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All Your Sperm Are Belong To Us. (oh jeez, please mod this down...)
What a whacky way to run a business. Thank god it'll never catch on!
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So I will, I'm rather glad that I have never been
is a position where I have had to consider this as I don't think that ethicaly I could work in the porn biz. Now I have no real problems with other people selling smut. But I don't think I could do it and be able to live the life that I want. I definitly could not face my friends or my family if I did. And I most certainly could not face my Rabbi. So before everyone here desides that there is no difference between selling porn and selling books think about the ethics of it.
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http://www.sabrina-online.com/1999-02.html
It's a fun cartoon strip. :-)
I wonder why. A lot of places seem to have over exposed (as in too much light) photos because cameras left in matrix meter mode on that much untanned flesh tends to meter wrong. Anyone who has photographed nudes in an art class could do better.
Plus they seldom use the rule of thirds, or set the shutter time to pick up motion.
I could do a better job. Hey, where do I sign up?
I thought am. porn was "normal looking" women, plain or no sets, no airbrush (or photoshop), single flash, flash shadow even. But not poor photography that makes the poor woman's skin look uniformly white. Ugh.
IIRC, at some point the words "intercourse" and "discourse" had the reverse meanings in English, but they then swapped for some reason.
How quickly you forget! You do not remember the awfulness of the foldout (oh yes) cover of Wired 4.06??? BEHOLD! TREMBLE IN HIS PALENESS!!
Promote Peter McWilliams' book, available online for free ("Ain't Nobody's Business If You Do")?
Only problem is, it requires people to read. Too many people would rather just suck down the entertainment pablum from Survivor, instead of challenging their minds with the written word...
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To tie this in with an earlier thread, who else is really making money now? Marijuana seed sellers. Who's going to be making money tomorrow? The same.
Here we have a culture that has outlawed the most basic of human needs: the need to feel good.
It'd sure be nice if everyone would finally just get over the childhood conditioning their parents inflicted on them (because, hey, their parents inflicted it on them, and their parents before them) and finally come to grips with some basic facts of life.
People is gonna fuck, suck, smoke, toke, and get it on it *whatever* ways thrill them.
As long as it doesn't cause harm to others, or other's property, IT AIN'T NOBODY'S BUSINESS IF YOU DO.
If the collective "we" could just get over that hurdle, imagine how much nicer the world would be...
[Inevitably, the ill-informed dupes of the repressive minority will be sure to follow this post with insufferable statements about how masturbation makes you blind, THC makes you rob people, etc.... These are precisely the people who make this society so senselessly repressive.]
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Sure dupe. Just as soon as *you* get a clue.
My fucking doesn't cause any objective harm to you or your property, unless it's your tender and unwilling ass I'm poking.
My sucking doesn't cause any objective harm to you or your property, unless it's that big ol' lollipop your mama was pacifying you with.
My smoking doesn't cause any objective harm to you or your property, unless I'm puffing my cancer-stick an enclosed airspace shared with your unwilling lungs.
My toking doesn't cause any objective harm to you or your property, unless I was bogarting your last smoke.
You, dear Dwonis, need to do some remedial reading. Please go hustle your pert little ass over to [Peter McWilliams'] website, and read Ain't Nobody's Business If You Do. It'll do you a world o' good.
I'm obliged to point out that Peter McWilliams is now deceased, killed by the repressive minority twats who insisted he choke on barf rather than supress his vomit reflex by smoking weed during his last ailing years.
When you call "War on Drugs," it always affects other people. Gettaclue.
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The journalist's use of "unlikely refuge" really
made me want to just stop reading right there. To anyone who thinks about it for a microsecond, it should plainly be the obvious, MOST LIKELY "refuge". Even the word "refuge" would seem to
imply that it's a temporary situation. This is
more of a Gibraltar, wouldn't you think?
One of the weirdest things about our whole culture
to me is that it's the norm to act embarrased and
surprised about sex, the existance of sex, the fact that people have sex, and above all, SURPRISE! sex sells. To me, it's almost as if
sex would be harder to sell if "we" (society) stopped acting shocked and surprised about porn.
As if, part of the reason it's popular is because
we enable it's mystique by pretending to be innocent, and by pretending that sex is something
that needs to be hidden, restricted only to a certain class of people (e.g., only the marrieds
may participate, and only in the dark even for them), etc.
It just isn't so, but the delusion that it could be, should be, or ever was so, persists as thoroughly as any other cultural idiom in the USA
and much of the world. The very conspicuous absense of any explicit sexual imagery in mainstream media is what creates a market for
erotic material, but that's a topic for another
rant.
Anybody who is genuinely, honestly surprised that
the porn industry thrives, please tell us what cave they've been living in their entire lives.
-fb Everything not expressly forbidden is now mandatory.
Kinda nice to see OOG back in action.
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>NO. Time to come up with something original. Penis birds have gone the way of the dodo.. or really have gone the way of
> Natalie Portman, Hot Grits, All your * are belong to us, goatse.cx, and *BSD.
Hmmm . . . goatse.cx . . . now I know what happened to www.godhatesfags.com. I guess when the rent is due, some people are willing to compromise their morals faster than others.
It was a step up for the reverend anyhoo, if you ask me!
Geoff
I think I see a trend here. Maybe for them it really would be easier to muzzle the entire internet than to produce p
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Jon, huh? Could it possibly be Jon Katz?
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It doesn't mean much now, it's built for the future.
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If you're in the NYC area, I stumbled upon this messageboard where lots of models and photogs in the fetish/glamour/porn industry hang out.
:)
Going to change my userinfo link to some photos now...
Privately? Sure. Publicly? Not for a while.
The internet gives people more opportunity than ever before to look at porn without anyone else ever knowing. Someone who wouldn't go to a strip club (for fear of someone seeing his car in the parking lot) or buying a porn mag in a gas station (what if the attendant labels him as a pervert? Oh no!) might dig up porn on the internet. There's no need for direct human contact in the transaction. He's just another string of bits in a database.
Many people are more concerned about their image than they really have reason to be, and porn is one of those things that "decent people" don't want to be associated with. And even those people who look at porn on a regular basis frequently argue against porn so they won't be the one to sound like a pervert. It's one of those dirty little secrets that millions of people have, just like recreational drug use. Most people privately have nothing against porn, but damned if they'll admit it.
Besides, the ultra-conservative types will always scream loudly against anything that anyone could find pleasure in.
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heheh, that's ok. I thought the big-O references was appropriate. and funny.
Yes there are:
BOOTH BABES!!!!!!
Look out pr0n world. Here I cum.
"A mind is a terrible thing to taste."
Now their gonna have actual programmers to find new ways to pop-up windows faster than you can close them.
"A mind is a terrible thing to taste."
spoo
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timothy
jrnl: http://tinyurl.com/c2l8yr / foes: http://tinyurl.com/ckjno5
Anyway while it wouldn't be my first choice, I can certainly think of worse places to work than the porn industry.
Ender
Nothing to see here
that Tim is only 14 years old.
How we know is more important than what we know.
When you "fuck, suck, smoke, toke, and get it on", it *always* affects other people. Get a clue.
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Poor bastard. If he's got a SO, I'll bet she's pissed.
Jon's SO: "Hi Jonny, glad you came home early today... wanna fool around?"
Jon: "Aaaauuuugh, eight hours a day at work and now I gotta work with you nipples too? Nipples, nipples, nipples, I'm sick and tired of nipples!"
I'll bet he did.
Those who are willing to pay for pr0n over port 80 are unlikely to have even heard of USENET, let alone know how to use it.
It's a self-selecting sample - anyone aware of NNTP would get their pr0n there, rather than paying bahtama for it.
Of course, bahtama may be at risk of getting nuked for copyright infringement, as the magazine that originally owned those images (or the web site where they were originally posted) could open up a can of whoopass on him.
But with a gazillion small-time sites out there, they'd have to find him first. And remember, he said used it to finance his own website, which implies that it was a small enough site to live comfortably under the radar. So odds are extremely good that he'll get away with it.
Indeed, depending on your views on intellectual property, there may be nothing to "get away with" in the moral sense. Only in the "Don't get sued by a pr0n company with more lawyers than you" sense.
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I work in the porn industry. I jumped ship from a fairly large ISP where I was a Senior SysEng, when it started to collapse under the weight of it's own upper management and became a SysEng for a local porn company. This decision was considered, they had been in business for 3 years up to this point, they didn't spam, they didn't flood users with popups, they kept everything above board and legal. The fact that they were dealing with porn didn't really affect my choice, the fact that they were good net.citizens did.
I've now been with this company for over a year, and I must say, it's done wonders for my skills. Why? Because in an ISP environment, things were fairly stagnent (atleast for the company I was with) with had x number of users on y number of dialup lines, with z webservers, mailservers, etc. The most exciting thing that happened was when some junior tech would issue "killall -9" on a Solaris box.
Since I leapt into the pr0n company, I've had to deal with traffic loads that would have caved the ISP's servers in. I had to change my way of thinking, write my programs leaner, always look for ways to optimize, etc, in ways that I hadn't had to do before. Unoptimized solutions didn't rear their heads when you were dealing with 500,000 page views a day, but toss 5,000,000 pages views at it, and suddenly you learn the error of your ways rather quickly.
I deal rarely with the content side of things, I am more into the nuts and bolts, the backends, the scripts, the webservers, etc. I've increased their stability and reliability along the way with things I learned at the ISP, and I've learned several new things from sheer volume of traffic seen. When I do decide to move on, I think I'll be better for it, and will probably be better for it, always approaching solutions from the perspective that I have to build the solution to handle 5,000,000 hits a day, scaling up from there.
So a foray into the porn world is not all sleaze, and it's not all bad. While there are companies out there that are just in it for a quick buck, and will do everything that they can (spam, etc) to get it, there are also ones that are in it for the long haul, pay their employees well (I'm making more than I made at the ISP, I get semi-annual reviews with atleast inflationary increases, etc) and try to be good net.citizens. As the comment said, check the contracts closely, and research the company completely
before making the leap, but don't automatically turn it down because it has the word "porn" attatched.Just like a porn site, when you open up the article, you get another pop-up window you didn't ask for, trying to sell you something else....
A practice more and more common these days I know, but surely a technique initially championed by the porn industry.
RG
Perhaps some commentary from a few people who run porn sites that hang out here, like ninenine.com would clear up a bit of this question I've had.
Also, does anyone have any firsthand experience knowing how many people actually pay for subscriptions to sites like danni.com or anything like that?
Of course its the oldest profession in the book. With the car, came sex in the car. With the phone came phone-sex. With the telegraph came, well, I am sure something sexual. With ./ came goatsex. Sex is the most fundemental part of everything we do. Is it suprizing that porn is the largest employeer on the net?
Someone you trust is one of us.
ranging from $100,000 high-concept films with plots to those featuring "wall-to-wall" intercourse with little or no dialogue.
Didn't the word "intercourse" mean "dialogue" at some point in the past?
The shareholder is always right.
some of which are publicly traded (check NASDAQ NOOF, owner of pussy.com and tits.com, or PRVT).
Is that an abbreviation of "private" or "pervert"?
The shareholder is always right.
oh. i thought this was about 325 lb sysadmins becoming hookers. wait. perhaps it is.
Oh, yeah, that BG knows how to show you some Big-O notation...
...sorry, it's the end of the semester, and I am totally burnt out on my data structures class...
He's already on his way! He's only worth a paltry $54 billion now.
I'm trying to teach myself to set people on fire with my mind... Is it hot in here?
Have you ever tried using disney.com's search engine to search for "Live Goat Porn"? You do actually get some hits back. I'll leave the interpretation of the results as an exercise for the student...
I'm trying to teach myself to set people on fire with my mind... Is it hot in here?
Jeff Wozniak is not Woz. Woz is Steve Wozniak.
Seriously? Who's really making money now? Porn. Who's going to be making money tomorrow? Porn. Who's got the kind of pageviews and such that advertisers would kill for? Porn. Who's going to have that paycheck for you next year too? Porn. It's pretty logical to me. Just because portions of society (portions which, I might add, aren't often of the same views as those who work in the tech industry) consider porn immoral doesn't mean it's not going to make a buck.
I think it's good news personally. You can read goatse.cx trolls while coding for a goatsex website. What could be better?
"I may not have morals, but I have standards."
"I may not have morals, but I have standards."
I can only wonder how many people involved in the tech sector are going to be questioned by their mothers after they have read this article. "Jon, son, you know you can always come to us if you need help, financially. Are you selling porn?"
ALL pop-ups are annoying. Either implement opt-in/outs, or only jerks will want to visit your site. Don't take this personally, though, you suck. Hehe, just kidding with ya man.
- Steeltoe
http://www.debunkingskeptics.com/
Pretty clever, I haven't seen enough of OOG's posts to notice that he knows HTML. Does that qualify him as a l33t hax0r? Come on, what else would you be able to do with pedal CPU? :)
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...that the rights to any sex you have while employed there automatically belong to them?
"The legitimate powers of government extend only to such acts as are injurious to others." Thomas Jefferson.
Yeah, and maybe that's why your (more) reputable company just won't make as much money as those porn guys make. ;-p
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The first night this hot brunette gave me grabbed hold of my penis and wacked it off till i came.
The second night this hot redhead wanked me off again.
The same thing with a blonde on the third night.
So I went to my boss, and complained:
"Hey I was promised sex each night, but all I get is hand-jobs".
"Didn't you read the contract, the first month's wages is in hand"
sorry old joke.
wow, i wish I had a mod point left for this post. Look at FC... you'll see lots of Pets.Com, but Kara's doesn't seem to be there. And I think that Pud would tell all of us about that one as soon as he became aware of it...
Humpty Dumpty was pushed.
"Yeah, you know, so they were about to lay me off and I said to myself, I said, 'now do I wanna get laid off, or do I wanna just get laid?'"
Damn, I'm suddenly very curious about the samples they provide in this job.
Let me preface my comment by emphasizing that I don't care if someone I don't know wants to work in porn, watch porn, have porn for breakfast, or whatever - he or she is welcome to do so. This is totally not about my opinion regarding whether those things are right or wrong (although I do have one).
Anyway, everyone seems to be implying that there is nothing wrong with this trend, and that tech workers moving to the Porn industry are making a great choice, but consider this:
Sooner or later, the current economic slowdown will turn around and tech workers will have lots of options in more traditional fields again. My opinion is that those who go to work in the porn industry now, will find their resumes are significantly tainted should they ever decide they want to go back to a more mainstream employer. I know some people will say the world is more enlightened, and companies aren't all stodgy and traditional anymore, so they wouldn't discriminate against a candidate with an employment history that included, say Hustler, but they're kidding themselves if they think traditional companies would choose the ex-hustler candidate over someone else if all other qualifications were more or less equal. If I got laid off, I think I would beat the bushes a little harder, consider moving to a non-saturated region, and do whatever else I had to do to avoid closing future doors for myself.
I am not only the owner, I am a customer as well!
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Um... a "traditional dot-com"? What's that? :)
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Is that what porn companies do! I thought they made different web pages open when you closed the one at which you were looking.
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Just don't let them catch you NOT looking at porn on company time. That could be grounds for dismissal...
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No kidding. Prostitution is what, one of the 4 oldest proffesions in the world?
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You had me until "that money comes at the expense of your eternal soul".
"Imagine telling your mother or your wife, or your children that you're working in porn."
I did tell them, they are proud that I make so much money, and enjoy what I do (programming, YAW!)
Pray for my soul if you want, I'm gonna go spend my money.
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Last August, I was a contract consultant... things were good, then slowly, the market started drying up (everyone was starting to buckle down on new projects).
I figured it was a good time to look for a permanent job. I interviewed with quite a few dot com types, from Boston to SF to Fort Lauderdale, I finally went with a porn hosting company. About 3/4 of the other places I interviewed with are out of business or have had some serious layoffs. The place I work at has actually grown (and is profitable!)
I don't see my family complaining anymore now that I have job security in the sin industry vs working for a conservative type company and getting laid off.
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the perks are excellent! I mean, with all the "freebies", who needs salary anyway!
Jokes aside, recently there was an article on Advogato (use Google, will ya!?) about hypocrisy of some in the geek community, who turn their nose up when this guy said he codes for a porn site, yet probably spend most of their waking hours downloading smut.
I work in IT dept. of a major oil company and sometimes get a similar reaction from some tree-hugging hypocrites (say, is that your diesel 4WD pick-up truck there?), but learned to simply ignore them.
Moral issues aside (I don't give a shit, OK?), I'd personally work for a porn company. At least porn industry doesn't try to project some fake high-ground image of itself - they're all very honest about what they do and they do a good job.
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Well, what did you want? They're used to fucking people over (ba-dum-dum!) Thank you! I'm here all week!
Dog is my co-pilot.
What's wrong with indian women?
...The guy who cleans up the booths! ack!
I guess in a dot com the equivalent would be a monitor squeegee =P
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It's sad.. I just finished listening to that lame bit on the 'old people' station trying to get a traffic report. All they establish is that they claim 75000 people lost their jobs in .coms and some anecdotal bits about 'straight' people getting pron related jobs. Not to mention this weird BS about industrial-parks in SanFernando being a mecca for porn. Typical shallow dumbass media hype worthy of 20/20. Were we supposed to be excited by the fact that it has the word pron in it... Obviously whoever submitted/accepted it was since they didn't "through^H^H^H^H^Hought" (sorry I h8 spelling fLAMEs but this time it was justifiable).
Woah.. that's clever.. create some robust perl scripts to extract the images and put them in a holding bin. Then, you weed out the bad ones and maybe validate their categoriczation. Shit.. I think I have a new business idea...
Most porn sites work this way. That is why you see more and more embedded "logos" and tags in the images on porn sites now. Someone would buy a membership for a month(or crack a password), download every damn thing on the site, publish it on usenet and BAM! All of a sudden you have no content that the "free" sites don't. Forget Sony, Lars Ulrich and the RIAA. Pretty damn soon we're going to have Jenna Jameson coming(going?) down on Congress to pass stricter IP laws so she can keep silly free sites from "pirating" her pics from her "official" site.
Steven
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Not necessarily in front of the
cameras, however, but read those contracts carefully.
So would it be worse to be in front of the camera and get laid regularly, or would it be worse to be in the server room all day putting together websites with highly erotic content and never getting any?
I'm not sure if Timothy's comment meant we should be looking for contracts with on-camera time, or if he meant we should beware lest they suck us incredibly virile and physically attractive geeks into the horrid world of *GASP* Adult Entertainment.
Steven
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Just when you thought that you couldn't get a job in the Information Technology business after studying hard and getting mediocare grades in your University's computer science department. . . you're coding Java applets to show off things that you probably never saw while you were in college. . . Well at least you've probably got root access and can look at whatever you want right?
Fruit flies like bananas... Time flies like the wind...
im not sure if this has anything to do with it, but the guy "Jon" that was quoted from Artist direct got arrested in mexico the other weekend. just a random "fyi"
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ZDnet, MSNBC and porn star Danni Ashe (how can you argue with her?), all disagree completely with that article. I think that the ZDnet article makes more sense because when all the companies are failing, I'm sure the first thing (I *hope* the first thing) dot com employees get rid of is porn fees.
Lol, so what do the actors get paid in the LA area at those porn producing companies ? Should they also not expect the pay ?
Wishful thinking.
Well, you are paying for the time spent to weed out the "bad" pictures. There is some value added there.
Trust me. About 6 months ago I interviewed with one of the larger (if not largest) 'net based porn companies for a sys-admin position. Given that porn seems to be the only industry that makes money on the web I was expecting a decent salary offer and a good working environment. Wrong! Porn companies make money on the web because their costs are low; They hire cheap labour, rent cheap offices etc..
If you want to work as a sys-admin for $24k US out of a dingy warehouse in the bad part of town then I've got the industry for you.
Either that, or it's reminded most of them to download their daily dose, or are submitting resumes like mad ("Damn, it's in formatted in Word, with fonts and everything and I have to copy and paste it into a text box!")
Well, here's some free pr0n anyway (.)(.) Send $5 to PO Box 555, Zeeland Michigan, and you get to see it in color!
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and I think Ron Jeremy has a SAG card.
Executives at the area's leading adult entertainment firms report a surge of resumes and telephone inquiries from disillusioned techies
There's a reason for this.....after you work 60-70 hours a week, or more, your girlfriend/wife leaves you for not putting enough time into the relationship...then the company flunks, and guess what: now you're out of money and no girlfriend....and women don't like men w/o money
so the only choice is.....GET PAID TO GET LAID
and hence the porn industry
:)
Er... Well, y'know. You can't make an omelette without um... destroying a forest. Or something.
My only political goal is to see to it that no political party achieves its goals.
Actually, "amateur pr0n" is supposed to be amateur models, not amateur photographers. The amateur photos are usually labeled "boyfriend/girlfriend" photos, since that's usually who's in the picture. The Internet for the most part has destroyed the distinction, but the the pr0n connoisseur, there's a world of difference.
Virg
Interviewer: Tell me about your new job...
Techie: It's hard.
Interviewer: Your job is hard?!
Techie: Um no, my job is easy.
Interviewer: What's hard then...oh...never mind.
Amen, bro. I wish I had some mod points for you.
It's a fact of life that porn is recession proof. It always has been, it always will be. While consumers' desires for other goods and services may ebb and flow, man's libido will never diminish. It's not news really, just reality.
Well, while I'm not saying that you're not worth what you're getting paid, I will say that a big reason that porn businesses (even on the web) stay profitable is because they generally keep a hard eye on the bottom line. Yeah, there's a lot of money flowing in and out, but you're not going to find a lot of porn people squandering it. While lots of dot-com companies like pets.com, and others blow their money on big salaries, and lots of marketing, porn people generally keep costs down. It's a mature, and very aggressive market that requires costs to be as low as possible.
Actually, nope, I don't think that they do get paid all that well. The big stars do, but not as well as 'traditional' Hollywood stars, and most people aren't big stars. Plus, think about it: How much would YOU have to get paid to go to work every day and fuck beautiful women? I don't know about you, but I'd work for damn near free.
It used to be that one in 100 visitors to Gosse's pay sites bought a membership. Now, that figure is one in 400. As a result, his revenue -- which he wouldn't disclose -- is flat.
There's always sufficient, but not always at the right place nor for the right folks.
Sex has sold for years, since biblical times. Probably before that, too....
Caveman One: Unf Unga Boog Ooog Looga (Your girlfriend looks very alluring, I will pay you one million boar's teeth for one night with her)
Caveman Two: Onga Bonga Loo Fung Dunga Bunga (I cannot let you do that to the woman I love, However I will sell you rights to draw a figure of her on your wall, surrounded by advertisements and banners, and sell tickets to people to come view that picture
I'm just wondering what the hell a "traditional dot-com" is...
MacOS, Windows, BeOS, GNOME, KDE: they're all just Xerox copies
14 months ago things were still good. Now though, any money is probably okay especially given the picture in this article from the LA Times.
"My mother works for Microsoft now. A whole other cult."
So I got money for looking at pr0n all day and weeding out the bad ones. Now, the other site makes enough to support itself so I don't have to run the image gallery site. Although I still spend a couple hours a week "catching" up on content in case I ever need to reopen the first site... :P
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Now there is a conversation starter at the class reunions!
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Bush Faces Obstacles to Placing Pact on Fast Track.
a related story?
but seriously, even stretching beyond the technology industry, does higher unemployment lead to more people in need of immediate gratification?
u scent-dong-now-with-enhanced-squirming-action!
Not necessarily more, but there is a certain maintenance level. It's kinda like food. A recession may come, the markets may crash, but people still need to eat. The same goes for the sex industry. People still need their rotating-vibrating-shivering-double-headed-transl
Er...something like that anyways.
This gives a whole new meaning to saying "This job sucks!"
The idea of Bill Gates as playgirl centerfold is too disgusting to contemplate.
Looking for an Information Security student project suggestion?
Try http://dotcrimeManifesto.com/
Okay, I'm definitley less impressed with the dotcom meltdown now. Only seventy five thousand jobs in a year and a third? The way it gets talked about I would have expected at least a few hundred thousand.
It Is the Nature of Information to Transgress Artificial Boundaries
"Jon hasn't told his family. "My mom would kill me if she knew." Makes me wonder what Stile's mom thinks of his whole operation. or whoever runs rotten.
Somewhere, something incredible is waiting to be known. -- Carl Sagan
Chicks or Unix
Chicks or Unix
Chicks or Unix
Head hunters from the porn industry? I wonder if they sound as sleazy as media portrays them. Personally I know porn sites make extreme amounts of money, the problem I think of regarding that market is, there are way too many porn sites out there to even think that "this particular" company is going to make it in the long run.
I wouldn't jump ship unless my options included Alley Bagget on Monday, Jenna Jameson on Tuesday, Racquel Darian on Wednesday, Anna Nicole Smith on Thursday, and Jenna again on Friday.
Not that I watch porn or anything...
Encryption saves the day
360 degrees of Karma
Being that my company has designed five of the top ten porn sites on the net and that I have been involved in the myriad political efforts in this industry I can fairly speak from experience. One oft overlooked reason porn didn't dot bomb is this: People who run adult Internet business have learned to do business under an Internet only paradigm. All the big dot coms tried to do business in the Wall Street way (paying on ads per impresssion, for instance) and they bombed. The Internet is a world that one has to understand seperate from all others to succeed in. The guys in the suit and ties are lost here. They tried to come in and make a killing the same way they did in the brick and mortar world and got sent packing by people who learned to survive a whole new set of rules.
Sex sells. Both ways.
There's never a shortage of consumers of porn, and there will never be a shortage of production-side personnel willing to trade some of their pay rate for a chance to hobnob with the knobjobs.
Security? Sure. That's got to be part of it. But I bet there's an inverse proportion of it in reality vs. what was demonstrated in that article.
Until the cloners genetically engineer our sexual hormones out of existence, this is how it will be.
--Blair
At Sin City Entertainment in Chatsworth, there's been a veritable casting call of people inquiring about jobs, said spokesman Jeff Wozniak.
Woz, of all people?? Wow, the tech industry is hurt pretty bad.
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Does anyone really buy this anymore ?
why ?
I'd like to believe its all sacred-sex included-but I don't think the boom in internet sex really reflects this. And its funny to see the powerhouses of the economic world (guns, power, drugs) all pretend to belong to a religion that was started by a poor man walking around teaching each other to be nice and love one and all. Jesus kicked the money changers out of the temple for a reason-don't ever forget that.
Now the moneychangers run the show, and religion keeps them all happy god-fearing cows.
you think it's easy, but you're wrong...
I suspect porn probably peaked as share-of-sites five ir six years ago, when the net was mostly used by horny geekboydom, and not many other people.
The number of horny geekboys on the net has probably stayed close to the same, but women are now the majority of US Internet users, and the average age of net users is up too. (Can't find that stat.)
Enon
Are sexual images or descriptions ever ethical? If an artist is paid well for a sexy sculpture, or an art gallery owner is paid for selling it, are they unethical?
I'm not saying there's no such thing as unethical porn--all the participants should be adults who've consented to what they're doing. But it isn't sexual imagery per se that is ethically troubling, is it?
Enon
My husband and I run a small adult website ... which is free.
"Erotic Trance.Com
All I ask is that people throw me a song play at my mp3.com artist page. But despite thousands of visitors and being totally scam free with no pop-ups, I only get less than half of one percent of the people to go through my site. So I have to say that the adult business is not nearly as profitable as people think. Not to mention that it is a ton of work LOL.
And by the way, you can't just hire a girl for $100 and be in business LOL. (Unless they're extremely fat and ugly with their teeth falling out LOL.) Female porn actors cost at least $1200 a day these days, and the males charge at least $400 --- that is if you want to use anybody decent LOL. Not to mention AIDS tests, legal paperwork, etc.
I'm sure the big sites are making money, but they also do all the annoying scam tactics that make it difficult for honest small operators like myself to do business.
will the economic slowdown overall affect the porn industry positively? _unemployed_ lonely geeks have more time to ... amuse themselves. (almost as much as if they were back in college. ;)
but seriously, even stretching beyond the technology industry, does higher unemployment lead to more people in need of immediate gratification?
www.pixelectric.com
Ironically, the pop-up ad I got was for one of those really small PC video cameras.
I bet the porn industry has some sort of connection in this as well.
Kevin Hodapp
Keep in mind that adult sites are a totally different business than your stereotypical dot-com startup. We have solid revenue streams, we have profit models that work, and we don't squander money on hypotheticals. If sales drop, then we lower our overhead. It's a pretty simple concept that would have saved a lot of dot-coms in the recent crash if they had been paying attention. Adult businesses are looking at the current economic downturn as a minor wrinkle, whereas dot-coms are going out of business forever.
-Keslin, the naked nerd girl
-Keslin, the naked nerd girl
The internet is widespread throughout the US, in spite of the recent economic downturn that has yet to really stop. It seems that with each passing day, porn takes up a larger part of the internet economy. Do you think that this "porn boom" will help change opinions about sex in the US?
not to mention
I'm making my stage name "Long Hours."
RC
"We're getting all sorts of calls from technology head-hunters asking if we have openings," Not the sort of question I'd ask a pornographer, but there you go.
Does a Christian soccer team even need a goalkeeper?
Root access on a porn site. Watch out for an invasion of young men sporting backpacks and saying 'Strewth!'. Oh wait, that happens everywhere.
Does a Christian soccer team even need a goalkeeper?
I don't think peoples opinions should be skewed because they're discussing the success of porn on the net as apposed to some other "clean" industry. People should view it as it really is; offering something people want in a way that actually works on the internet. People buy porn, people buy dogfood, with the internet, porn is more plentiful, easier to access, and more private than having to go to some magazine stand and ask for a monthly fix of XXX China Dolls or whatever floats your boat. With dog food, is it easier to have them ship a 50 pound bag to your doorstep and getting it three days later while poochie starves? No, you go to the damn store. Hustler.com profits, pets.com bombs. It's horribly obvious. The internet won't be able to peddle *everything*, it can peddle whatever is more convenient over the net. You can apply it to anything weather or not it's porn or news pages or weather forecasts. Whatever is made more convenient and available by the internet will suceed, almost everything else will fail.
Beware blue cats moving at
I was recently involved in a porn site which involves live webcams. When they went wrong I had to go and reconfigure the router with three naked girls watching. It put me off so much I had to go back three times before I got it to work. He He