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metalhed77 writes: "A new version of the Nautilus file manager (1.0.4) has made its way out to the gnome ftps. here's the article on linuxtoday. It includes various improvements which are described on linux today, these primarily consisted of bug fixes and speed ups." Good to see that the effort that went into making Nautilus friendly wasn't wasted. But if you want to browse more than your hard drive, HeUnique points out another interesting project which is not distributed with the official KDE package. It's called: KDENOX ("KDE No X" -- you can use it with X or with framebuffer and QT Embedded: here's a screenshot). The gain? You get Konqueror without KDE, with SSL, cookies, proxy, bookmarks, fonts, and without KDE itself. The executable is small (4MB), doesn't take much RAM, and it works very nicely on low end machines ... (grab it from KDE CVS). Update: 07/08 01:17 AM by T : Here's a screenshot elsewhere; first person to mirror gets a lollipop.
Hey look more news about gnome, we better spend most of the writeup talking about kde and konq
Hi,
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I made the screenshot, and yes, a bit of Irony won't hurt anyone
Hetz (Heunique)
Netscape is unstable, I think everyone will agree, it's difficult to run it for more than a half hour or so without a segfault or other error.
Sorry, that's complete BS. Even if you're talking about NS 4.77. Ever since 4.6 or so, I've had pretty good luck with NS's stability. The only times it ever hung were when I was getting to Java apps, with maybe a couple exceptions.
Now, some people might have had worse luck than I, but you state that "everyone would agree". No, that's just not the case.
But Mozilla is much better, and I've pretty much quit using NS4.7. Do try 0.9.2 -- it rocks.
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His point was that the article would be about Mozilla or something and it would provide news about the project. At the end the poster would mention something that is completely not news just for no real reason.
It's not a matter of what's good, it's simply kind of an odd thing that has been happening.
Damn! /. post like I'm doing right now, and you'll encounter several of them.
I just upgraded to slack 8.0, so I thought.. "hmm. I'll try galeon! If it's lighter than Mozilla, and it incorporates the gecko engine.. well.."
This is such a BRILLIANT browser! I *love* the zoom feature (I'm 46, and need it occasionally). The standards conformance (IMHO) and ability to *actually view* almost every page I encounter makes this thing a real godsend. It's been only two days, and I'm using it almost to the total exclusion of 'scape 4.77, which was a HUGE improvement over 4.73, which is what I was using before.
Yes, it pauses, and lags occasionally, but overall, on my feeble 200(!)mhz system, it's fairly snappy!
It's still buggy, though. Just try to enter a reply to a
Brak: What's THAT?
Thundercleese: A light switch.. of TOTAL DEVASTATION!
another browser you might want to try that supports the linux framebuffer is arachne. http://www.arachne.cz. It is made for both dos and linux and supports HTML 3.2 as far as I can tell. (i.e. everything but javascript/shockwave/pop-under x10.com ads. I've used it before and it worked great on a 486 laptop I tossed it on.
Not lightweight, embedded. There are plenty of embedded Gecko solutions (check out OST, www.ostdev.net) but I do not think Galeon qualifies as such.
Konqueror on the iPaq is very cute though.
I have never used Konq. I was told by a couple of friends that I should try it out. Perhaps Konq is going to do for the Linux crowd what IE did for Windows browsing.
:(
Netscape has been falling behind. Mozilla is great and all (it still crashes for me) but it seems like Konq is moving fast.
I guess NS lost another browser war.
Thanks, nautilus hackers, for your continued hard work. 1.0.4 is substantially faster than 1.0.3!
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Call me old fashioned, but I don't consider a 4 megabyte executable to be small... In fact, I don't have a single executable on this system that's 4Mb.
On another note, Konqueror has been ported all over the place - it's a good starting testbed for the kdelibs and the assorted io slaves. It remains to be seen if Konqueror appearing on a platform indicates that a KDE port is being considered (possibly by someone unconnected with the Konqueror port), or if it's just a test probe into that platform (PDAs, various system's framebuffers, etc).
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Looks like a step backwards...like when you had a VGA game in DOS that need to take up an entire screen and had to re-write the drivers for every game. But that's just my take.
JoeLinux
I've spent the weekend upgrading my PC to the latest and greatest stuff (Xfree, kernel, nvidia drivers) and thought I'd give Nautilus a go, having not tried it since it's initial release.
In short, I'm impressed. It seems thoroughly usable and I think it'll have a permanent place on my desktop now. Now to have a go at compiling it with Mozilla support....
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FWIW, getting mod points on /. is the only time IE has spazzed out on me...and that seems to only happen under Win98. I've gotten mod points a couple of times since switching to Win2K, and the problem you describe has never happened.
The only current-version browser I've run across that consistently has rendering problems is Nutscrape 4.x. Its CSS implementation is effed up pretty badly; sites that render just fine in IE, Opera, Mozilla, Konqueror, etc. sometimes come up as a total jumble in Nutscrape. Even Lynx does a better job with some of these sites. (Want an example? Try http://www.thejewelers.com/store01.html, a page on a site I redesigned a while back. It validates properly for HTML 4.01 Strict and CSS 2. It renders fine in every browser I've thrown at it...except Nutscrape. For their broke-ass browser, there's http://www.thejewelers.com/nsstore01.html. It renders OK on Nutscrape and other graphical browsers (looks nasty under Lynx), but pays no heed to standards or principles of good design.)
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This will definitely help those out there with little ram to run some of the cooler KDE apps. Great job.
Anyone care to explain why a Konq screenshot would be of the Galeon home page?
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Napster-to-go says "Fill and refill your compatible MP3 player", which is a lie. It's not MP3. It's WMA with DRM.
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Napster-to-go says "Fill and refill your compatible MP3 player", which is a lie. It's not MP3. It's WMA with DRM.
If anybody hasn't noticed, KDE isn't exactly the most slim computing environment around. (To be equitable, neither is GNOME!) For those of us with low end hardware (300MHz PII, 256MB RAM...) KDE-2 is absolutely unusable (even on a super-tweeked Gentoo RC5 system running XFS!) For such people, lightweight web-browsers like this and Galeon are absolutely essential. The way things are going with KDE and GNOME, freedom is being increasingly restricted. To have a usable web experience, you seem to need to run one of these two (bloated and slow) environments. Thankfully, these project provide a way out. I'd prefer it if it were based on GTK+ (since there aren't many Qt apps outside of KDE) but hey, you take what you can get, no?
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seems like Konq is moving fast.
>>>>>>>>>>>
And unlike Mozilla, it actuall MOVES fast. (At least when you get past the 3-4 second startup time!) The thing that bothers me is that the developers don't really bother to code for speed. I'm upgrading to a 1.4 GHz Athlon soon, but I shouldn't have to, not to just run my desktop or webrowser at a decent speed. I can understand a 3D renderer chewing up your CPU. For something like KDE or Konq, its just plain unjustifiable. I really think developers should be forced to code on slow machines, just so the end result uses a sane amount of computing power.
A deep unwavering belief is a sure sign you're missing something...
Oh goodness -- get a grip. The person asked a valid question, if a little trollish, and you didn't answer it.
Yes, the Slashdot authors seem biased toward KDE. That's their opinion, and as editors on a site that claims to pronounce "News", they ought to be open with any such predispositions.
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The funny thing is, I typed "w3m" but meant to say wget ...
oh well.
PS, why the 20 second delay for those of us who type at >100wpm ???
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I'm glad your semantics are so exacting.
That said, having wit or making sarcastic remarks does not make one a troll, nor does it negate one's arguments, statements or other remarks. The shallowness of the human reading them may allow that reader to ignore the truth value of the statements made in, around or near such "trolling" comments, but it is still present to be assessed.
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Konqueror is one of those projects that is really making a difference for Linux. It is now much easier to refute complaints of outdated browsers and technology on Linux by the Windows sheep.
I am really intrigued by the KDENOX option and I'm just dying to see the screenshot that was supposed to be linked to in this article. The geocities side is linkdead as usual, does someone have a mirror or any other screenshots?
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check it out -- apparently it's based on Konqueror too.
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Just what do you have against Konqueror and Nautilus and Mozilla mentionned in the same article? It's all free software and it all works on Linux. The desktop wars are dead.
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You dont have a email addy listed so I am posting here. I wish my bank where as (cool|brain dead) as yours. fb on my current system dose not work worth a damn. I have set up framebuffering on many boxes without problem in the past and even after changing my graphics card (was a unsuported/ported #9). I still get errors and Tux is in reversed colors. I have had no luck even finding out what _might_ be wrong. So far I have just been living without it. seejpeg works so that takes care of 99% of my graphics needs.
Ascii artist &
I want to see more development on command line only browsers to take advantage of older hardware or for people like myself who are GUI-impaired. One of the nice bennies of more development would be one could do $ getbankballence.sh | netscape --prompt4password. Now wouldn't that be cool in cron.
Some of the command line browsers out there, sorted by usefulness:
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w3m
w3/emacs
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The only real stability problems come from Javascript. Try turning it off and you should probably never encounter a problem. Don't worry though, the Javacript code is continually being improved, and I've heard good things about it in the new KDE2.2 Beta1.
Linux / Open source has always been about taking the best of all worlds. While Apple users may still bicker about Microsoft stealing their UI (which Apple stole originally, but that's another story), the Linux/KDE/GNOME,etc folks don't give a rat's. They just take what's good. Who cares if something was on another system first? In a recent KDE mailing list comment, someone thought it would be cool if Konqueror had a sidebar like Mozilla and IE. So guess what? Now Konq has an optional sidebar. It all boils down to: "Why the hell not?"
Btw, the problems people have with Microsoft are not related to the look of Windows. Rather, it's about their proprietary code, licensing issues, etc.
I say : As a maintenance tool for low end boxes.
(Such as, say, the old PPC I use as a gateway to the net. 3 years old, 180 MHz, 32 meg RAM.)
On such a machine, you need something to
Skipstone is nice (uses gecko and fewer gnome libs than galeon), but I found it still memory hungry and a quite bit slower than g-h-b, or legacy Netscape for Mac on the same hardware.
(The one I tried compiled against Mozilla 0.9. Although there may be good progress since, I wonder if gecko may just not be lean enough... Moz 0.9.2 is still a big memory hog on my other machine -- like 50 meg after a little browsing, where legacy Netscape would stay around 30.)
Encompass uses gtkhtml instead. Can anyone comment on it? Will it do (1), (2) and (3) above? I still need to figure out exactly what dependencies it needs to compile. Anyway, it seems promising -- see this review and some more recent news.
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Actually, it is more of an issue running KOffice, or GIMP ;) than netscape. Actually, for internet kiosks, this would be very useful.
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So it is not as useful as I first thought. However, it would be useful for setting up internet kiosks on low end machines. This could be useful where the machine's primary function is to access web pages and perform various console type applications. Particularly useful for libraries and schools, I would think...
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When you get a website you can write whatever opinion you want. If you're not happy with what slashdot's content is like simply stop visiting. It's not like you're forced to come here and read it. I don't remember ever seeing slashdot boast about their journalistic or unbiased standards. Excuse me while I shed a tear for you because you saw something you didnt like on slashdot.
I dont remember a prerequisite of slashdot readers to answer anyone's questions especially in when all you're doing is complaining. The author didnt ask a question he made a retorical statement in the form of a troll, statements like For all they talk about it, you'd think it has features like buttons for "Give head" and "Win Lottery." (Maybe those are in CVS?) basically negate any point the author was attempting to make by throwing in the oh-so-intelligent-sounding bathroom humor. Others have already commented on slashdot's often biased writings, I don't blame slash editors a bit for writing that why should anyone else get to? Even worse assuming that maybe his comment might sway or change the editorial style of slash editors in the future, hah! Making a huge deal about it is silly, all I'm doing is making a huge deal about someone else making a huge deal out of something which is certainly not huge deal material in my opinion.
For all they talk about it, you'd think it has features like buttons for "Give head" and "Win Lottery." (Maybe those are in CVS?)
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Retrieve with:
http://localhost:8081/KSK@galeon.png
or
freenet_request KSK@galeon.png galeon.png
Freenet: http://freenet.sf.net
The CHK for this key, for the paranoid, is:
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by my thoughts, that does really look like galeon, oh well.. It has some areas that it can be applicable in, picoBSD anyone?
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