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Why Google Rocks And An IPO

Soothsayer wrote to us about the recent BusinessWeek article that profiles Google, its rise to the top, despite no marketing dollars, and tries to explain...well...why Google rocks. Oh, and some small mention of an IPO. CT I also want to note that images.google.com is my favorite place in the universe to idly explore the wierdness of the net.

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  1. image.google.com Babes by zulux · · Score: 2, Funny

    Help! I keep searching for Babes on image.google.com - but Babe Ruth keeps showing up. Yech!

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    1. Re:image.google.com Babes by Hard_Code · · Score: 2

      ...and what's with all these pictures of little pigs??

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    2. Re:image.google.com Babes by Reality+Master+101 · · Score: 2

      I'm afraid Babe Didrikson Zaharias, awesome athlete though she was, is not much better.

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    3. Re:image.google.com Babes by IvyMike · · Score: 2

      Help! I keep searching for Babes on image.google.com - but Babe Ruth keeps showing up. Yech!

      The best babe search engine in the world is bomis.com, and they even have their own slash-based babe news site, babes.bomis.com.

    4. Re:image.google.com Babes by jmony · · Score: 1

      look for cuties ;)

  2. No marketing dollars??? by Ivan+the+Terrible · · Score: 1

    Wasn't it Google that got an insane amount of funding with no business plan?

    1. Re:No marketing dollars??? by blkros · · Score: 1

      Google does have a business plan, and a good one at that. Lots of sites are losing advertising dollars, but google is making money with targeted ads. Look the next time you do a search.

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  3. IPO bad, Google good by WillSeattle · · Score: 2, Insightful

    NO, not another IPO!

    Aaahhh!

    Sheesh, you get a good firm and you just want to ruin it by making it go all bonkers with greed and quarterly returns.

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    1. Re:IPO bad, Google good by AnalogBoy · · Score: 1

      Capitalist societies sure suck don't they. :)

      I mean.. the whole concept of making money.. how awful. Especially making money hand over fist - thats the worst thing that can happen. I mean, god forbid anyone have a nice house, 2 or 3 nice cars, one trophy MOTAS for each day of the week, speedboat, yacht, civil servant, etc.

      :)

    2. Re:IPO bad, Google good by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Those are some great values you have there. Let some CEO own lots of shit at the expense of all those working under him. Because the CEO is profiting off the work of all workers under him so he have three cars, a yacht and a nice home. Nice system we have set up.

    3. Re:IPO bad, Google good by synx · · Score: 1

      actually, you dont really need to have lots of money to have a MOTAS for each day of the week...

    4. Re:IPO bad, Google good by AnalogBoy · · Score: 1

      But a /trophy/ MOTAS...

  4. Bork! by MLoff · · Score: 2, Funny

    It's a shame that other sites don't accomodate those of us that speak sweedish chef.

    That's why google is on top.

    (This post -barely- passed the lameness filter)

  5. I've been trying to find google by swagr · · Score: 3, Funny

    I did a search on AltaVista which returned 10,000,000 results. I'll let you know when I find it.

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    1. Re:I've been trying to find google by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Try looking for "humor" next.

    2. Re:I've been trying to find google by kettch · · Score: 1

      whoops, i forgot to add the link that would have made my comment all too clear, and added to the humor.

      We found 1,324,597 results:

      that link says that if you pay them enough, they will put your ranking wherever you want.

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    3. Re:I've been trying to find google by kettch · · Score: 1

      and it seem that crappy IE dropped my cookie so it looked like i was logged in the first time, but i wasn't.

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    4. Re:I've been trying to find google by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Generally humor involves at least a small bit of truth...

    5. Re:I've been trying to find google by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Most of the links were irrelivant, weren't they?

    6. Re:I've been trying to find google by Sir+Tristam · · Score: 2
      I did a search on AltaVista which returned 10,000,000 results. I'll let you know when I find it.
      So? I searched for Google on another search engine, and I got 10**100 results!

      Chris Beckenbach

    7. Re:I've been trying to find google by GreggBert · · Score: 1

      I've often wondered what Google's cached copy of Google would end up looking like....must be off to do some research !

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    8. Re:I've been trying to find google by gallir · · Score: 2

      3,290,000 to be precise. But that number in not important, but which ones appear first.

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  6. Marketing Basics by steveo777 · · Score: 1

    One of the first things you learn about in marketing and advertisment is that word of mouth is invaluble. I've used Google for a long time (it's my homepage), and I always find what I'm looking for.

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    1. Re:Marketing Basics by Alien54 · · Score: 2
      Most places are drooling over great word of mouth.

      Sadly, they call this HYPE, which is what Google does not do.

      Google has a product that works well. most places do not want to spend the time and monewy to grow such a product.

      What is wrong with that picture?

      You can waste more time trying to trying to get a quick buck...

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  7. Better then IPO by motek · · Score: 1

    Shouldn't we consider Google a public service? How to maintain it, though?
    Or better yet - a congregation: 'Church of Google'. Sounds good to me...

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  8. Why I think Google rocks. by Xenopax · · Score: 0, Redundant

    It trys to be a search engine rather than a search engine/chat room/news source/email/job search "portal". It does one thing, and it does it really well.

    1. Re:Why I think Google rocks. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      True, but be wary -- once upon a time, they were just a search engine. Now, you have the Google Directory, Google Images, Google Translations, and Google Groups. It's true that Google does these things better than anything else... Google is the best search engine ever (duh), the image search kicks Lycos' ass, and Google Groups is better than Deja ever was. But they're only a management initiative away from tacking some sort of lame, pointless portal on to their wonderful search facilities.

    2. Re:Why I think Google rocks. by Ceinwyn · · Score: 1

      I think Google rocks because it has a cached copy of my web site that is now gone (because I moved away and didn't pay my bill) Thanks for the keeping the memory alive Google!

    3. Re:Why I think Google rocks. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Considering that Google's business plan is to sell their services to the lame, pointless portals, I don't think you'll be seeing too much of that at google.com.

      Of course, when all the lame, pointless portals finally go out of business, they might change their tune.

    4. Re:Why I think Google rocks. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Absolutely!!! The cached pages are the answer to what would otherwise be broken links. Documentation moves around all the time on the net, but Google maintains a conection to it.

    5. Re:Why I think Google rocks. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      How does Google do that caching? They seem to be able to deliver a cached copy of every page I've ever looked for, even if it doesn't exist anymore. That would seem to require them to cache all the known Internet, including the parts that have disappeared, on their own servers?!

    6. Re:Why I think Google rocks. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Google groups is beta now.

      Where can I go for pr0n distrib. now that egroups is yahoo groups is pr0nless...?

  9. images.google.com for weirdness? by garcia · · Score: 2

    blah. Consumption Junction is the only place for serious weirdness in images on the net.

    The reason that Google.com is so heavy on traffic is b/c it is the only decent search engine on the net (and the fact that they power Yahoo, etc).

    I love Google but it definitly isn't the place for weird images :)

    1. Re:images.google.com for weirdness? by miracle69 · · Score: 2

      blah. Consumption Junction [consumptionjunction.com] is the only place for serious weirdness in images on the net.

      At one time I believed that too, until I found most of their stuff duplicated at steakandcheese.com usually prior to arrival on consumption junction.

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    2. Re:images.google.com for weirdness? by garcia · · Score: 2, Informative

      site is slow, movies are only up during certain times, and there are no descriptions. I would rather the time it takes for CJ to give some information and decent speeds.

    3. Re:images.google.com for weirdness? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      karma whore

  10. Oh god.... by dbolger · · Score: 1
    CT I also want to note that images.google.com is my favorite place in the universe to idly explore the wierdness of the net.

    ewwwww, Taco!!! Not in front of impressionable young geeks!

    1. Re:Oh god.... by AnalogBoy · · Score: 1

      oh please. you know the only reason any of us subjected ourselves to being geeks is that, ostricised by society, we needed to find companionship. The net offers that. [S]he's like a warm blanket you can wrap yourself up in. We all need the questionable images to give her a nice face.. yeah.. thats it..

      The entire purpose of the internet is to let geeks have some form of sexual outlet. Its the worlds biggest playboypenthousehustler club. The whole E-Commerce and Electronic Community thing is just a side effect.

      O:)

  11. Different / similar to images.google.com by perydell · · Score: 1

    If you spend your idle time on images.google.com you might want to try spending some time on http://www.searchshots.com/ -- shows images of actual websites instead of just the images on them.

  12. Praising with Faint Damns by Tattva · · Score: 1

    The article praised google's use of text advertisements that appear at the top of the search list because they confuse web surfers who think they are search results. So why are we all feel-goody about google?

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    1. Re:Praising with Faint Damns by cetan · · Score: 2
      Eh, not really. But it might be semantics.


      The ads on Google's site are delivered as a text listing above the search results--making them appear more a part of the page's content. "It works so well since users seem to be under the impression that all ads are graphical in nature and written-word ad placements are still editorial," says ad buyer Jonathan Adams, senior partner at Ogilvy Interactive


      I have to disagree with this part of the paragraph from the linked article. I don't see how the advertising can be confusing to a user just because it's not "graphical". Unless, I suppose, you're a senior partner at Ogilvy Interactive.


      The ads stand out on the page, very clearly (IMHO). Even if the ads are not JPG's or GIF's they have the appearance of being "graphical" in nature.


      I'm not sure if that makes any sense.

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    2. Re:Praising with Faint Damns by Zaknafein500 · · Score: 2

      They have a different colored background, and say "Sponsored Link" to the right. To any person with a marginal amount of sanity, it is pretty obvious.

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    3. Re:Praising with Faint Damns by cetan · · Score: 2

      So this does indeed eliminate the advertising execs.

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    4. Re:Praising with Faint Damns by jandrese · · Score: 2

      Don't tell Jonathan Adams that, he's still paying Google extra for the text links.

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    5. Re:Praising with Faint Damns by pne · · Score: 1

      The article praised google's use of text advertisements that appear at the top of the search list because they confuse web surfers who think they are search results.

      As cetan pointed out, they do stand out as different from search results; they have a different background colour, for one. And, of course, because Google's results are consistently very useful and relevant.

      So why are we all feel-goody about google?

      As for me: because the ads that are there are not images -- which means, among other things, that they (a) don't take a long time to load, and (b) don't blink or flash or hop around annoyingly.

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  13. It's a Crime-Fighter! by tomblackwell · · Score: 1

    About a week or two ago, there was a TV news item in Canada about an investigator locating a man who was wanted for hijacking a flight from Canada to Cuba in 1970 or 1971. The investigator was going through cold case files, and put the name of the wanted man into Google. He got a hit, and found a quote by a man with the same name, living in the Northeastern US. The investigator checked into this person, and it was the man they were looking for.

    Google located the missing hijacker in seconds.

    Now that rocks!

    1. Re:It's a Crime-Fighter! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Now that rocks! "

      Not if you're a fugative from the law!

  14. It rocks because by El_Nofx · · Score: 2, Insightful

    1.You always find what you want
    2.They don't try to shove ads in your face
    3.It is quick
    4.Everyone found out about it through word of mouth
    5.It's Google! need i say anymore, the name is cool

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  15. google's toolbar by syrinx · · Score: 1

    I installed the Google toolbar on IE on my Windows machine, and it's great.. one of the most convienent things I've ever installed. Google deserves every bit of praise it gets.

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    1. Re:google's toolbar by jgaynor · · Score: 1

      Gonna have to agree - thats te ONLY toolbar Id EVER install. Lets you see the ratings of the page your on, search for similar crap - excellent marketting tool.

    2. Re:google's toolbar by agdv · · Score: 1

      Well, my browser includes a 'search google' (or other search engines, as configured) field in its taskbar. So there :OQ

    3. Re:google's toolbar by dragons_flight · · Score: 2

      I have to agree, Google toolbar is phenomenal. Saves me from typing in www.google.com, or clicking a favorites link etc, AND it gives more power than simply being at the frontpage of google. Being able to highlight and jump to search terms in any website more than justifies it's use.

      For those who want one, here's the link. Sadly it's still only available for Windows and IE. Back when it first came out this was one of the prime reasons I cut way back in my use of Netscape.

    4. Re:google's toolbar by citizenx · · Score: 1

      Even cooler is the fact that Opera comes with a Google toolbar already built-in. Now if only they let you customize the searching shortcuts for other search engines, I'd be obnoxiously happy (instead of just plain obnoxious).

    5. Re:google's toolbar by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Mozilla has this feature built-in to their location bar. Just set your search engine to Google, type and press the down arrow, enter. Well, you can't search usenet, but it's a start. Much nicer than IE and NS4 which have hard-wired search engines.

    6. Re:google's toolbar by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah, and because IE and Opera have been praised by mean mean people here, I must reveal my personal insecurities by advertising the fact that in Konqueror(tm) you can write "gg:words to search" in the location bar for identical effect. Of course you can also do this without opening a browser window first by pressing Alt+F2 and writing the same to the minicli and and... oh dear, here I go again. Please try to understand me.

    7. Re:google's toolbar by Szynaka · · Score: 1

      Unfortunately Mozilla doesn't have the highlight feature for each of the search terms that was entered. Nor does it have the quick search buttons that allow you to search for each one of your search terms on the pages that were returned. These two features alone have saved me loads of time and are what keep me using IE. In fact those two features even trump the lack of ability to use Mozilla as my mailer from inside IE.

      Oh and the Up button is kinda useful too. Especialy with Windows "smart" highlighting.

    8. Re:google's toolbar by jilles · · Score: 2

      it's not the same thing, trust me on this. The google toolbar is very cool:
      type a keyword and
      - search the web
      - search the site you are looking at
      - search the google web directory
      - search the archived news groups
      - highlight occurences of the terms in the page you are looking at

      In addition:
      - a google button is present with configuration and links to google, advanced search and so on.
      - a ranking is given for the page you are looking at
      - a convenient up button is present that moves you one directory up (it's actually a dropdownmenu too so you can select any directory in the path)
      - there's a button which shows you the directory in google web directory the site you are watching is indexed in (very handy for finding related material)
      - and finally there's an information button which hides useful features as automatic translation, a link to google's cached copy of the page, similar pages and links to pages linking to the page you are watching

      To the best of my knowledge opera only offers the first feature (searching the web). After bookmarks, the google toolbar is the single best productivity feature in my browser. It's a real time saver and it unleashes features that you'd otherwise never use because it's too much work. Often google's site search produces better results than the local site's own search option (usually some dumb altavista like engine).

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    9. Re:google's toolbar by agdv · · Score: 1

      That sounds pretty cool. Too bad it's only for IE. I hope Mozilla includes one of those, once they get rid of real problems and have time to add cool stuff.

    10. Re:google's toolbar by PingXao · · Score: 1

      I never knew about that. I went to the page and it really did look cool. Unfortunately, I don't use MSIE. Oh well.

    11. Re:google's toolbar by Marticus · · Score: 1

      Mozilla might not be able to use the toolbar, but google has options for some JavaScriptBrowser Buttons which do pretty much the same job. (Although you can set moz to use google to search from the address bar already)

    12. Re:google's toolbar by matrix29 · · Score: 1

      I uninstalled it despite its extreme usefulness.

      After opening a certain amount of windows in Slashdot or about two or three hours of browsing for me it would cause havok on my system's memory and I'd have to reboot to fix it.

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    13. Re:google's toolbar by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Opera has something like this on their browser. Opera runs on Linux so there you go. Plus you can change what search engine you want to search on and even more functions

  16. explore the weirdness? by Wordsmith · · Score: 1

    you mean like this?

    http://images.google.com/images?num=20&hl=en&img sa fe=off&q=weirdness&spell=1

    1. Re:explore the weirdness? by liquidsin · · Score: 1

      I did that search, and this is by far the funniest thing that came out of it...but I'm not sure why.

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  17. Google AdWords by scott1853 · · Score: 2

    Google has that nice little AdWords program. Its like a penny per impression I think. We use it and have gotten a bit of extra traffic from it. It's much better than shelling out thousands of dollars to setup a campaign on Yahoo. I think you can start as low as $15.00 on an account. That's a good deal, and that's going to make them some money. Even if they don't work, our attitude is "what the hell, it's only a few bucks".

  18. Google rocks because... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It's simple, yet so very effective. They also do a funky thing with their logo on various national holidays.

    When people want to search the web, they want to search.. not be thrust into a seemingly senseless display of how much can be crammed onto one page.

    All hail Google! Hoorah! Hoorah! Hoorah!

  19. Google...the future? by Mister+Black · · Score: 2, Informative

    Is Eric Schmidt the guy to lead Google into new markets, expand their business, and take them thru an IPO? Personally, I'm a bit worried about him as their CEO. Granted Novell was already on the way down when he took the helm, but to have negative market growth for the 4 years you were in charge? I'll admit I never followed Novell, nor do I know much about him, but his past performance bothers me. Was Novell too far gone for Schmidt to make a difference (although he had 4 years to do something)? Is Google too golden to be affected by him (ie could any bum off the street take Google thru an IPO)?

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    1. Re:Google...the future? by tb3 · · Score: 2

      This worries me, too; Novell is deeply wierd. Their server software was coded in assember for years, and only their chief architect understood the code. When they shipped 4.0 with a 'C' codebase the guy said something like "I'm still learning C, I can't get the hang of those pointers." There's a warm and fuzz feeling for you.

      They keep going on about print and file services, long after printers became cheap and servers were used for applications. It's always been a pain to develop a Novell server app, because of the closed architecture and toolset. Meanwhile, almost any idiot could build a Visual Basic server app for Windows NT server. (It might not be a good app, but that's another story.)

      Then Novell went on a buying spree, trying to build an office suite to complete with Microsoft. That didn't work, and they sold all their end-user products for about 1/10 what they paid for them.

      Now they're a small middleware company that no one pays much attention to. If Schmidt trys to extend Google into markets they have no business being in (like turning them into a Yahoo/Excite style 'portal') then they're in trouble. I hope Google can keep their focus.

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    2. Re:Google...the future? by bjohnson · · Score: 1

      Oh yeah, they also make servers that keep running for years after being walled up in a building...

    3. Re:Google...the future? by inquis · · Score: 2

      google already is kind of an 'everything' portal; the portal functionality is just hidden beyond the front page.

      if i am looking for ANYTHING in a general caregory, i ALWAYS check down there before i run a google search.

      http://directory.google.com/

      relevant categories, relevant pages under each category. no paid placement. heaven!

      -inq

    4. Re:Google...the future? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      That's not a portal, that's a directory.


      This is a portal.

    5. Re:Google...the future? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Grrr, the correct address is http://www.dmoz.org and *not* http://directory.google.com

  20. Ummm... Cmdr Taco... by hexx · · Score: 2

    I also want to note that images.google.com is my favorite place in the universe to idly explore the wierdness of the net.

    oooh... ummm.. "wierdness" .. is THAT what they call pr0n in your neck of the woods now?

  21. Google's simplicity by Water+Paradox · · Score: 1

    I think they succeed because they stay simple. I was glad to see the note to victims and survivors of the hit in New York, but saddened for the possibility that Google will take upon itself a role of news, commentary, or anything like that.

    We don't need another portal. We need a fast, simple, comprehensive Google. They do continue to make improvements within those parameters, though, which is exciting. Hadn't seen images.google. I'll go look at it now. I usually use the AltaVista image searcher...

    -wp

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  22. Languages by Eric+Seppanen · · Score: 4, Funny
    From the article:
    With the addition of Arabic and Hebrew, Google now spits out results in 66 languages.
    I wonder if that count includes swedish chef?
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    1. Re:Languages by Rimbo · · Score: 2

      They also have Elmer Fudd, Pig Latin, and Esperanto. :)

    2. Re:Languages by iceburn · · Score: 1

      Don't forget "Hacker". Funny stuff.

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  23. RE: don't grow up and get greedy by maddogsparky · · Score: 2
    The part that got me was at the end of the article where it talked about Google "growing up" and becoming a real business. Why does a real business have to have an IPO? I used to work in the IT department of a clothing store chain with 300+ stores. The same family held it and a department store chain-yet it is all privately held and nobody would say that it needed to "grow up".

    Why would any company that is growing in the aftermath of the .boom want a parasite on the business in the form of investers wanting ever-growing returns? What do they need the extra capitol for?

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  24. weirdness of the net? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I also want to note that images.google.com is my favorite place in the universe to idly explore the wierdness of the net.

    I think you you're really exploring the weirdness of your sex fetishes.

  25. The two things that stand out about Google by caffeineboy · · Score: 3, Informative
    To me are
    • Clean website design
    • Ads and "paid results" clearly noted

    Honestly, have you seen what my prior favorite, metacrawler (now goto.net) has become? One of these horribly busy, what's what, 10-minutes-to-load, feature glut, sensory overload type pages.

    It's noce that success hasn't put a bunch of crap on google's front page like it did for ICQ, Netscape, or Yahoo.

    It's also good to know that the #1 result spot was not there because it was purchased. They're good about making that clear.

    Add to this the fact that it GETS RESULTS and RUNS LINUX... you've got a perfect engine. Of course, I'd like to know what they're doing with those cookies and click-through data, but that's just the privacy freak in me talking.

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    1. Re:The two things that stand out about Google by MrBogus · · Score: 2

      Add to this the fact that it GETS RESULTS and RUNS LINUX... you've got a perfect engine.

      Hey - It's not so much that they RUN Linux it's that they do an exceptional job of INDEXING Linux- (and Perl- and so on) pages. In fact this seemed to be one of their primary focuses during the beta period.

      Result -- lots of techies got on board early and spread the word to non techies. Genius marketing.

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    2. Re:The two things that stand out about Google by Feynman · · Score: 1
      Honestly, have you seen what my prior favorite, metacrawler (now goto.net) has become?

      Metacrawler was my prior favorite as well. However, metacrawler.com still exists and it's not quite as bad as goto.net.

    3. Re:The two things that stand out about Google by tswinzig · · Score: 2

      Of course, I'd like to know what they're doing with those cookies and click-through data, but that's just the privacy freak in me talking.

      Apparantly the privacy freak in you needs to read Google's privacy policy, easil found on their website:

      http://www.google.com/privacy.html

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    4. Re:The two things that stand out about Google by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Do people choose a search engine based on what operating system it runs? I don't.

    5. Re:The two things that stand out about Google by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Do people go to Nascar races and go for the guy driving the Ford or the Chevy? Yes, it's a pride issue.

    6. Re:The two things that stand out about Google by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I think the biggest, most useless, longest loading site is http://www.msn.com

      Metacrawler and Goto.net load WAY faster than MSN.

    7. Re:The two things that stand out about Google by Alsee · · Score: 0

      I also find google to be the best. I even mapped it onto my broser's home button. Most convienent place to put it. Too bad I can't change the text on the button from 'home' to 'search'.

      >I'd like to know what they're doing with those cookies and click-through data, but that's just the privacy freak in me talking.

      I'm a bit of a privacy freak too, but somehow google never crossed my mind in this reguard. Prehaps it's because:

      >Clean website design
      >Ads and "paid results" clearly noted
      >hasn't put a bunch of crap on google's front page
      >good to know that the #1 result spot was not there because it was purchased. They're good about making that clear.
      >Add to this the fact that it GETS RESULTS and RUNS LINUX... you've got a perfect engine.

      But that leads me to an interesting question. Does this mean that an effective high quality website with integrity is a good indicator of integrity behind the scenes? Or does it indicate than an underhanded company can get away with alot more under our noses if they put on a good show? Or both? (Note that I am not talking about Google in particular, but the web in general)

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    8. Re:The two things that stand out about Google by armb · · Score: 1

      If you're a _real_ privacy freak, you worry about whether they really follow the policy (and always will in the future, even if ownership etc. changes).

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    9. Re:The two things that stand out about Google by frankie · · Score: 2

      Aside from being non-annoying, another thing I really like about Google's text ads is that they're on-topic a lot more often than any other web site I use. I click them not just to support Google, but because they actually have information I want to read.

      p.s. Use the AutoGoogler! Save the following as a bookmark, strip out spaces, and put it in your browser toolbar.

      javascript:q=(document.getSelection)? document.getSelection(): document.selection.createRange().text; if(!q)q=prompt('Google:',''); if(q)void(location= 'http://www.google.com/search?q='+escape(q));

  26. Google is, quite simply, the best. by mystery_bowler · · Score: 2, Informative

    And it's all about relevant results.

    Google is great for many of the same reasons that Yahoo was great (and still, more or less, is great). Early search engines all used the same ranking scheme (if they ranked sites at all). The more often a term appeared in a page's META tags or body, the more relevant the page must be. This was quickly taken advantage of by web page creators.

    Yahoo might not have been the first to deviate from the traditional search engine, but they were the first raging success at it. Web surfers quickly learned that searching Yahoo's directory yielded more relevant results because the sights were screened beforehand to make sure the sites contained what the site creators said the sites contained. But soon the directory became bloated, many sites simply went away causing broken links, site creators all began their site titles with "A" just to push up to the top of the alphabetical listing and corporations trumped them all by paying for top billing.

    Enter Google. The ranking algorithm works something like this: A site is crawled and it's contents indexed. A check is made in Google's existing directory to see if any other sites point to the currently crawled site. If there are many sites pointing to the current site, then obviously the current site has some importance and deserves and higher ranking. If one of the "big sites" (i.e. AOL, MSN, etc) link to a site, it must be really important. I believe there are other factors involved but I can't remember them at the moment.

    Google's ranking system provides the most relevant search results of all the current search engines. As a bonus, it doesn't try and clutter the interface with unneccessary "portal" features or too much blatant advertising. Fast, powerful and smart. That's why it rocks.

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    1. Re:Google is, quite simply, the best. by funky+womble · · Score: 1
      According to the paper on PageRank (fittingly enough, written by Larry Page), it is cleverer than that. (another presentation is here).

      A tree is built - the rating is based on not just how many people link to a page, but how many people link to the page linking to the page, etc. all the way back through the tree. The rank is scaled by the number of links on a page (so a link on a page with few links ranks higher than a page on a bookmark listing).

      The text linked to a page (i.e. what's inside the <a>...</a> tags is used as well as the text in the page itself (it often gives a higher quality match). Yet another reason to use good descriptive text for your links than "click here" :)

    2. Re:Google is, quite simply, the best. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And a nice system because it punishes those who use javascript links, not that there isn't a special place in hell reserved for those people (Allaire ColdFusion -- I mean you!).

    3. Re:Google is, quite simply, the best. by Bobo+the+Space+Chimp · · Score: 1

      I thought it kept a table of simple search terms and what people clicked on most in the results list, and on subsequent searches using those terms, put the more clicked on ones at the top.

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  27. google images vs alta vista images by Speare · · Score: 4, Interesting
    I like the features of both Google and Altavista's different image searchers.

    Google's search seems to be a little more focused on the content of the surrounding page, while Altavista's search seems to be a little more focused on the content of the image itself.

    Altavista's "Similar" indexing is a really interesting way to browse randomly, or to find better-quality copies of the same image. It goes by some color-to-area fingerprinting index scheme, so a pumpkin on a black background may be seen as "similar" to a basketball on a dark brown background.

    Google's database of images is not mature yet, and needs more tie-in with the stock-photo services, but it is in more ways predictable: reasonable searches often find reasonable images.

    In both, and in website searching too, I'd like for it to automatically try synonyms to words I provide, perhaps at a lower weighting.

    More semantic work could be done on Google, to avoid the dreaded "'how' is a very common word and ignored" phenomenon. Of course, a database table with references to all the pages that include the word 'how' would be enormous. However, if groups of words on pages and in searches were recognized and considered as new meta-English symbols, the tables of how to verb for each verb would be manageable and useful. "How to tie", "how to format", "how to derive". (Linux docs have adopted 'howto' as a word to avoid the situation, but [shock] not everything you want to find is about Linux.)

    Other word groupings that commonly surround the too-common words are good candidates for this symbol-analysis too.
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    1. Re:google images vs alta vista images by jallen02 · · Score: 1

      My search to learn to tie shoes is "+how +to tie +a shoe" Returns the results I want. The plus sign forces an explicit search for those words ignoring the "its common" problem.

      Just add plusses and you can still search for the words. Found exactly what I wanted.

      Whats so wrong about uses plusses when you REALLY want to use the search terms. Terms that are so common it would possibly drag the engine down if they completely allowed it?

      Jeremy

    2. Re:google images vs alta vista images by Szynaka · · Score: 1

      Try "How to verb"

      By surrounding it with quotes it looks for the entire phrase

    3. Re:google images vs alta vista images by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      no, you still have to add those "+" before the words, even inside of parenthesis.

      Google rock my world.

  28. Will Google "rock" as much in future? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The article talks about Google selling its search engine to companies, thus getting (in future, i'm sure, most of) its income from selling the software. I'm positive it will eventually get competion from an open source engine that will use Google's patented ideas. Will they enforce their IP against OSS undercutters and if so, how will their 'cool' public image survive?

  29. Why does Google rock? It's Simple. by Qui-Gon · · Score: 1

    I think one could sum it right here...

    ...Google's traffic has leaped 73% so far this year, making it the top pure search site on the Web.

    So, why does it rock you ask? Cause it follows the KISS method. No BS. No stupid ads. No pop-ups. Its just a simple search engine that gives RESULTS.

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    1. Re:Why does Google rock? It's Simple. by Ziviyr · · Score: 1
      ...Google's traffic has leaped 73% so far this year, making it the top pure search site on the Web.

      Thats an easy statistic to win. I don't know of any other engine that hasn't expanded into a news/personals/get yer web mail here/chat thing.

      I admit I haven't looked too hard recently.

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  30. Images by Leif_Bloomquist · · Score: 1


    I remember when images.google.com was first announced, somebody noticed that if you searched for "CmdrTaco" you got a hilarious page with "Mr.T vs. Slashdot Geeks."

    Doesn't return that one anymore, though.

  31. Why google sucks by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Go search for "linux".

    Enjoy reading an advertisement for Solaris.

  32. and they have 'hacker' too.. by jamesidm · · Score: 1

    for the d00dz out there:

    http://www.google.com/intl/xx-hacker/

    I only noticed this one today

    1. Re:and they have 'hacker' too.. by Russ+Steffen · · Score: 1

      I don't know what's more disturbing - that Google did that or that I can read it.

    2. Re:and they have 'hacker' too.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Oh dear god. That IS for real. I'm scared.

  33. Wired also featuring Google by Britcoal · · Score: 1

    The current issue of Wired Magazine is also featuring Google in an article about it's marketing and advertising sales strategies.. good read, but not available on the net yet..

  34. Really. How's this company going to make money? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Get serious here folks? Mom and pop money for ads isn't going to attract investors. If anyone has any real ideas about how this company is going to make money, I'd like to hear it. If goes something like they can charge $15 a subscription or $.01 per click, then goe sell it to your great aunt.

  35. Any interesting results for images? by Gambit+Thirty-Two · · Score: 2

    Has anyone come across any really interest results for searches on images.google? One of the oddest ones ive come across these days has been searches for "bruise"

    1. Re:Any interesting results for images? by msheppard · · Score: 2

      "Ouch"
      "Interesting"

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  36. TECHNICAL QUESTION FROM FREELANCE WRITER by JMB+Communications · · Score: 0, Troll

    Hello,
    This is my first note on Slashdot so it may be in the wrong place or whatever...so I apologoize in advance if I offend anybody.

    I'm a freelance technology writer (info is at http://www.jmbcommunications.com) doing a story...if you have input please mail it to me at Jeff1620@aol.com. (It's not my "real" email address, I just use it for special occasions like this...)

    Now seriously:

    I am working on a story concerning "pushy" programs -- pesky pop-up windows proliferating on browsers, certain search engines and web
    sites, html e-newsletters that automatically connect to websites, websites that don't let you leave, and programs that change settings and install themselves...

    I want examples of such annoying programs / technologies coupled to information about any technology / programs / ideas that counter these
    programs and technologies. I do *NOT* want to interview anyone; please send info, including links and PDFs, and I will work on them. I'll respond by email.

    NOTE: AUDIENCE / PRODUCT FOCUS IS U.S. Any products you reference *MUST* be
    available now (or shortly) in the US.

    PLEASE RESPOND TO jeff1620@aol.com. THANKS!

    Jeff

  37. Re: don't grow up and get greedy by Johnny+Mnemonic · · Score: 1


    Google "growing up" and becoming a real business. Why does a real business have to have an IPO?

    Right. My wife works for Enterprise Rent-a-Car, the largest rental car company in the US. However, it is also privately held, which allows the principals strong flexibility in their decision making, because it is theirs and theirs alone. Incidentally, it's also a great company to work for, because all of the perks and bennies don't have to be approved by a mass of shareholders--if Mr. Enterprise wills it, it becomes.

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  38. Revenue? by Sloppy · · Score: 2

    I know I can get to some of my pages through Google, and I never paid 'em a dime. They don't charge me to search for things, and they don't show me a lot of ads. Where does the money come from?

    The article mentions that someone does pay Google to spider their site, and that they sell their "technology". It must be an aweful amount of money if this is how Google covers their expenses. It's a little hard to believe.

    Google looks like one of those things that is Too Good To Be True. Are we gonna find out that they are Osama's piggy bank or something? ;-)

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  39. I wont buy any by catseye_95051 · · Score: 2

    Sellign technolgoy to do a job with fixed needs is not a sustainable business model.

    You can make some large hunks of cash but wher eis the ongoing revenue? I don't see an ydiscussion of whether the amrket for their technology can or will expand.

    Some plain business sense still seems a good idea when picking companies. Burn is sustained so income must be sustainable.

    1. Re:I wont buy any by rtaylor · · Score: 1

      I'm assumming thats the reason it's going on the market. One last hurra for the the owners, then bail over the next year or 2.

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  40. Why Google Works for Me: by Johnny+Mnemonic · · Score: 1

    because it doesn't second guess my logical operators, and doesn't replace the searches that I want with ads that were paid for. If I put a string in quotes, goddamit, I want that string, and *not* just some of the words of the string, and not variations of the string. If I put something in parantheses, I want the operator performed on just the strings in the parantheses, and not anything else.

    Google rocks because it believes me when I tell it I know what I want. The others don't do that, and so I use Google always.

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  41. Re: don't grow up and get greedy by Dancin_Santa · · Score: 2, Informative

    The main benefit of issuing an IPO is the massive amount of cash that is immediately infused into the company. The company usually has some sort of business plan that includes the spending of this money through acquisitions, research, and general company growth. The company will be able to do things that it could only dream of without that money. A company going IPO without a reasonable plan as to how the money will be spent is not a company that you want to be invested in.

    Of course, with this newfound money comes new responsibility. The company heads become beholden to the shareholders and the never-ceasing demands of the market. If the principals make one bad decision, a barrage of lawsuits are bound to rain down. An unlucky company may soon find itself making decisions that bolster the short term stock price instead of making decisions that strengthen the company for the long term. The lucky company, though, may make it past its first few years and into steady cash flow well enough that it can take gambles that other companies both public and private could only imagine (Microsoft, anyone?).

    Dancin Santa

  42. Opera by thenatex · · Score: 1

    Or if you use Opera 5 the toolbar is already built in!

  43. Google is very good but by kjj · · Score: 2

    But it is not perfect. What about exact pharse searches? Try this search on google. "to be or not to be, that is the question" Google first hit is something about horticulture, huh?!? "To spray or not to spray?" And the rest of the hits have nothing to do with Shakespeare. Now try the same exact search on Altavista you actually get Shakespeare related sites. Google is great for topic search especially multiple topics. With Altavista it is +linux +filtering +security but Google is automatically ANDed. It is just to bad that Google's advanced search to turn on exact phase matching doesn't actually work. I tried the Google advanced search page but I got the same results as the standard page. Lycos has an advanced search with exact match and it did give the good results, so what is the deal with Google? I realize this may be redundant and others on Slashdot have mentioned this problem with Google. The question is: Is there a way around this or a fix in the works? Has anyone else experienced this?

    1. Re:Google is very good but by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Shhhh! Pointing out Google's flaws is not permitted here! The impefection of Google violates one of the central tenants of the Slashdot pseudoreligion. Thou shalt keep this quiet and thou shall post powderpuff mindless praises of Google!

    2. Re:Google is very good but by khendron · · Score: 1
      The reason "to be or not to be, that is the question" doesn't return anything relevant is because most of the words are dropped from the search because they are "common".
      But you can use the same semantics as AltaVista: the '+' character. Try:

      "+to +be +or +not +to +be, +that +is +the +question"


      This will return relevant sites. The only problem is that it is as annoying as hell to type.

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    3. Re:Google is very good but by Senor_Salsa · · Score: 1

      Thou dost not knoest the mosteth sacredth sacrament-thath Google is but a conspiracyth of doth our government, with-th anth intriguing relationshipth to the Slashdoth leaderth. Any buyerth in minen newestth conspiracyth theoryth?

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    4. Re:Google is very good but by Stormie · · Score: 2

      But it is not perfect. What about exact pharse searches? Try this search on google. "to be or not to be, that is the question" Google first hit is something about horticulture, huh?!? "To spray or not to spray?" And the rest of the hits have nothing to do with Shakespeare.

      Notice the message that Google gave you along with that query:
      The word "or" was ignored in your query -- for search results including one term or another, use capitalized "OR" between words.
      The following words are very common and were not included in your search: to be to be that is.

      If you read The Basics of Google Search, you'll see that to force searching for common words, you need to use a plus sign. Hence, the correct query is "+to +be +or not +to +be, +that +is the question". Plug that in, hit "I'm feeling lucky", and bing! You're at Hamlet, Act 3, Scene 1.

  44. Ordering for most recent results? by martyb · · Score: 2
    Google's ranking system provides the most relevant search results of all the current search engines.

    I agree the results are the most relevant, but there's one factor I've been unable to specify in a query: TIME. Oftentimes, I'd get 40-50 results of which many were posted years ago, and it's a pain to skim through all those to find the ones that pertain to a recent development and/or announcement!

    Some Ideas:

    • Date Range Qualifier: Prior to submitting a query, I'd like to specify either a relative or absolute starting date. That is, pages that were updated/created:
      • In the past "N" days.
      • Since: yyyy / mm / dd

    • Sort By Date Button: If I'm looking at a result set, I'd like to be able to click a button and see the most-recently created / modified pages listed first.

    Workaround: I've tried to do something like including "2001" in a query, but it's not very selective or effective. :(

  45. Start looking for a new search engine by ab315 · · Score: 1

    Google may 'rock' now but it won't after an IPO. I will get flamed for this but things you can expect to see are some of the following,

    banner ads, pop-ups

    intrusive user tracking

    links for 'product placement'

    smart people leaving the company disillusioned

    Tell me "it can't happen"... it has every time before and it will here

    In 12-24 months google will suck badly, mark my words. You will be ashamed to have promoted it.

    By the way, my understanding is that they are profitable and don't need an IPO -- but no doubt the private investors want their 10x return on their original capital. After all, do you think that multimillionaires invest in these things out of good-will?

    The only way to have a search engine that does want you want in the long term is for it to be owned by the users.

    1. Re:Start looking for a new search engine by Twisted+Mind · · Score: 1

      The paradox is that the company would not be profitable then anymore or get bankrupted, and that's the last thing investers would want to happen.

      I think Google introduced a new way of searching the web that make all older ways obsolete, this 'way' (search-algorithm, no banner-ads, simple but effictive) won't disappear.

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    2. Re:Start looking for a new search engine by ab315 · · Score: 1

      The only new thing google added was the page
      rank algorithm (patented for the next 25 years).
      If providing a clean fast site was enough
      then the older search engines would have done that.
      Expect any competitors who try to introduce variations
      on the pagerank algorithm to be sued once they IPO.
      With the pagerank algorithm they own the optimal gateway to the web,
      and the shareholders will exploit that to the max.

  46. Another company that will bottom out.. Here's why. by Philipv1 · · Score: 1

    Because they can't profit from anything without destroying the site. Banner ads dont bring in any revenue, and you cant charge for the service. This wont get off the ground because there isn't anywhere it can go but down. The only thing that they can do is start running auctions, selling products through buy.com and its affiliates and hope they make enough to pay the 5,000 employees they hire in anticipation of "getting big" only having to fire them 3 months later.

  47. It's funny what Business Week thinks! by twitter · · Score: 2
    You like Google because it sucks less and works better. Fewer adverts, faster and more accurate results, so far unadultered by adverts indisguise.

    Business Week likes it, in part, because they think it's deceptive!

    Google has seen online ad sales rise in recent quarters. The reason? The ads on Google's site are delivered as a text listing above the search results--making them appear more a part of the page's content. "It works so well since users seem to be under the impression that all ads are graphical in nature and written-word ad placements are still editorial," says ad buyer Jonathan Adams, senior partner at Ogilvy Interactive.

    I'm torn! Do I tell that looser what drives people to visit the place and give him a clue, or do I keep my mouth shut and let him keep buying ads?

    Nah, I'll keep my mouth shut. One day after the IPO, some greedhead is going to screw my favorite search engine. It will be replaced in about five days by an honest site. Why can't those fools just enjoy their profits and leave excellent alone?

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    1. Re:It's funny what Business Week thinks! by rkent · · Score: 2

      I'm torn! Do I tell that looser what drives people to visit the place and give him a clue, or do I keep my mouth shut and let him keep buying ads?

      Yeah, no doubt, I thought that too as soon a I read it. Google could be in some real trouble if they go public on the theory that "our ads work because people don't know they're ads."

      Why does google want to go public anyway? No, really. If they're already profitable without any outside investing, why trade equity away for some one-time capitol? Seems like it could be part of an expansion / diversification strategy, with google potentially becoming a leviathan "portal" like yahoo. Personally I'd rather they stick to good searches.

      That said, I DO like their ads. Not because I'm fooled, but because they're actually correlated to the search topic (what a concept!) and they're minimally intrusive. Go google, just don't go public.

  48. IPO doesn't have to be bad by Penguinoflight · · Score: 1

    Thing is, Google at this point is just a search box which covers 20% of the screen? IPO could mean having better instructions, a little bit of advertizing, and a more fancy logo. I don't think that the Google people will be dumb enough to change things enough that their current users don't like it anymore. That said, Google is my favorite search engine, and I could be a tad biased :-)

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    1. Re:IPO doesn't have to be bad by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      We like google because it *dosn't* have those things. I don't need to see a banner ad and fnacy logo to know it's good. Maybe I'm just smart though.

  49. Adversting on Google by XorNand · · Score: 1

    "It works so well since users seem to be under the impression that all ads are graphical in nature and written-word ad placements are still editorial," says ad buyer Jonathan Adams, senior partner at Ogilvy Interactive.

    Why do these marketing people always treat people like braindead sheep? He's implying that their adversting works because the apparent deception works. I personally, *intentionally* check out Google's sponsors because I assume that if this company has spent some money to advertise their product/service, it might be worth looking at; a better signal-to-noise ratio. Of course this isn't always the case, and even if not, I'm still helping to support one of my favorite sites.

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  50. Oh no, what have we done... by spygot · · Score: 1

    I hope the google servers can survive being slashdotted.

  51. one thing I dislike about Google by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Google is great, there's no doubt about it. They've also branched out into a lot of interesting searches (picking up the Usenet groups, PDF, images, etc.) However, one new feature annoys me a little: the Google PhoneBook. If you type someone's first name, last name, and the city they live in into the main search window, it'll pull up their address and phone number. Is that really necessary? I know that's nothing new and plenty of other sites have this functionality, but still...it bugs me. They don't mention the name of the 3rd party that gives them the information, either. They do make it relatively easy to remove your own info, though, so I guess it could be worse. It's just a little creepy when you're not expecting it.

    1. Re:one thing I dislike about Google by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hey, thanks for pointing this out! I never knew about this feature before. That's really cool..

  52. Google and Advertising by johnlenin1 · · Score: 1

    From the article:

    "It works so well since users seem to be under the impression that all ads are graphical in nature and written-word ad placements are still editorial,"

    I really disagree with this statement. Google's ads are clearly marked with a colored background, the words "Sponsored Link," and are presented in a totally different format, most notably wording. There is no mistaking these ads for search results.

    He's right though, that the ads work. Unlike the blinking crap that pollutes so many web pages, the ads on Google are relevant and often interesting. I've clicked them fairly often, when I usually ignore banner ads.

  53. libraries had this method long time ago by johnjones · · Score: 3, Informative

    "oh google fantastic it got me the results I needed"- researcher

    "oh the libraries fantastic they showed me the indexes and then I went and got the best book"- researcher

    this is the old way of doing things not anything new

    its called Impact Factor this is how often a paper is cited by other papers in their bibliography (an equivalent in a home page would be links section). This then determines how good the paper is and so a journal with a high impact factor is seen as better than one with a low one because people use articles from it a lot. In turn journals then demand more money from the library to buy it or advertiser if they run adverts.

    But get this some high brow journals cost $10,000 for a years subs that every library in the land has to stock because they have such high impact factor.

    On top of this if you want to publish where do you publish? In a high impact factor journal because your work is going to be seen and often you grant is linked to impact factor. So researchers are so desperate to get their money they give copyright of their work to journals .

    And of course this self perpetuates with the best work going to high brow journals the winners are the Publishers not the people doing the work or the libraries that hold the research.

    What is needed is to break the cycle is for researchers to publish online to a respected website and to keep copyright of their work and for funding companies / governments to acknowledge these as having an impact factor (may be based on unique viewing of page I suppose ) and the libraries to stop paying them!

    Please encourage you local libraries and governments to do this !

    Regards

    John Jones

    1. Re:libraries had this method long time ago by jorbettis · · Score: 2

      Except that this is the web, and Google links per page and per subject. If a page on my website is linked more than a page on CNN.com, I have a higher link factor for that page, even though CNN.com itself is linked to a billion times more than my website.

      Putting something on CNN.com dosen't immedently mean it's going to be linked alot, just like putting something on my website dosen't mean that it won't be.

      Also, because google indexes everything and returns results based on subject, I'm still in their database (unlike at a library where they can only subscribe to so many journals) and a page of mine with only one or two links will float to the top if the search is specific enough.

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      ``Wherever you go, there's another stupid sigfile quote.''
    2. Re:libraries had this method long time ago by nyjx · · Score: 1

      On top of this if you want to publish where do you publish? In a high impact factor journal because your work is going to be seen and often you grant is linked to impact factor. So researchers are so desperate to get their money they give copyright of their work to journals. I think you'll find that it is *very* rare for researchers to be paid for articles in scientific journals. Why do they publish there - because the academic establishment reuires you to publish publish publish - and precisely in this expensive journals. In some fields (medicine for example) this has lead to researchers banding together their own peer-reviewed journals. What is needed is to break the cycle is for researchers to publish online to a respected website and to keep copyright of their work and for funding companies / governments to acknowledge these as having an impact factor (may be based on unique viewing of page I suppose ) and the libraries to stop paying them! Agreed - but then what's a respected web site? will it archive your documents for eternity? will it classify them according to field? enable review? One option for free publication of workshop is proceedings CEUR Sunsite at Univ Aachen. no reviewing possible there though. Slashdot for scientific papers needed...

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  54. What is Google running? by affegott · · Score: 1

    Hello All-

    Seems like Google has quite the DB backend... anyone know what they are running?

    I am constantly surprised by Google... it almost always finds what I am looking for...

    -Affe

    1. Re:What is Google running? by leviramsey · · Score: 1

      I believe Google runs a custom in-house DB. I could be wrong, though.

    2. Re:What is Google running? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I asked my brother a simimlar question once (since he works there). I didn't get too straight an answer, but from what I understood, there's not really a "DB" it's some proprietary system of indexing.

  55. SOMEBODY EXPLAIN THIS. . . by Fantastic+Lad · · Score: 1
    Okay. Call me dumb, (settle down!), but I don't see any advertising on Google.

    Do they mean that they're selling guaranteed high ranking search results to companies?

    Like, if you look up "Ice Cream", does it mean that "Baskin & Robins" will come up first because they paid off the Google cops and not because their site ranks based on the normal criteria?

    Hm.

    I don't know how I feel about that. I know it costs money to run these things, but I always get nervous when the quality of information becomes subservient to corporate agendas.

    Fear the IPO.


    -Fantastic Lad.

    1. Re:SOMEBODY EXPLAIN THIS. . . by linuxci · · Score: 2

      Some Google pages have advertisements but they're text based rather than graphical.

      However they're always at the top and highlighted as such (with a different colour background and the mention it's a sponsored link), or they appear down the right hand side of the page.

      I think this is the best way to do advertising, it's effective as it's not annoying but it's still clear what is the sponsored links and the real search results.

    2. Re:SOMEBODY EXPLAIN THIS. . . by odaiwai · · Score: 1

      When you do a search, some reasonably relevant ads may appear at the top of the page. They're highlighted in a different colour and very obviously labelled as 'Sponsored Links'. It always reminds me of some radio announcer reading out an advertisement in a funny voice before getting on with the rest of the show.

      see http://www.google.com/search?num=100&hl=en&lr=lang _en&q=asus+motherboards for an example of what I mean.

      dave

  56. If Business Week likes something - kiss of death by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Having Business Week do a cover story on a company is the kiss of death to that industry. You can make a great deal of money DOING THE OPPOSITE of what Business Week says. Sell when it hits the newsstands. Past Business Week favorites of mine: Enron (ENE), Ariba (ARBA), Sun Micro (SUNW). Take a look at the downward trajectory right after the business week recommendation. It is uncanny how *perfectly* wrong they are!

  57. what I really love about google is... by ralian · · Score: 1

    their hAx0r interface language. It's friggin' hilarious.

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  58. almost better than google by ex0teric · · Score: 1

    i read an article in wired (i think) a while ago talking about new generation search engines... the one that really stands out is wisenut, which puts things in nice little catergories - i did a search for 'the matrix' and in addition to a list of links, i got all these catergories and the option to search them: Medical Matrix(2), Matrix Net(4), Astrology Software(3), Matrix Reloaded(3), Matrix Group(3), Dot Matrix(3), Class Matrix(3), Internet Matrix(4), Others(179). google returned basically the same thing, but just as a jumbled mess. i like being able to quickly scan and find the general topic before diving in much better! and it has almost as many pages as google (it only had like a third when i read the article!) - wisenut: 1,495,332,308 / google: 1,610,476,000
    while i havn't had much need to search since i'm not in school right now, it has seemed much more helpful doing comparison searches for the hell of it...
    chesh

    1. Re:almost better than google by reddeno · · Score: 1

      And 3,750,000 of their pages are about Google.

    2. Re:almost better than google by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And not one of those categories is about a matrix in the mathematical sense. That doesn't seem very good. Yes, I know there is a category for an implementation of a matrix class, but where are the pages about matrix algebra and the like.

      Although Wisenut looks like an excellent concept, it looks like Wisenut could use a little work. Ah well.

  59. Ditto, no IPO please !! by Macka · · Score: 1


    I hope they don't IPO too. Right how they're making a respectable amount of money and delivering a TOP quality service. Want proof? Google is my browser home page! I have NEVER made any external site my home page before; always kept them local to my own box. I do this because I use google a lot and because it's quick to load.

    If they IPO, they'll ruin it. They will come under increasing pressure by profit chasing share holders to take all opportunities to raise revenue, and that will ultimately lead to ad bloated pages.

    Google needs to resist the IPO trap and carry on doing what it does best - putting its customers first!

    Macka

    1. Re:Ditto, no IPO please !! by Andrewkov · · Score: 2

      I have a local page as my home page, it has all my favorite links. However, it does have a form at the top where you can search google.. Instructions on how to so this can be found at Add Google To Your Site.

  60. What are ads? What's Linux? by fm6 · · Score: 2
    Ads and "paid results" clearly noted

    I agree. This is not just good design, this is ethical dealing. But it's ironic -- according to the article, many people don't see these ads as ads, even though they're clearly marked. Apparently people have been conditioned to equate ads with graphic banners. So Google is benefiting from the excesses of its predecessors.

    Add to this the fact that it GETS RESULTS and RUNS LINUX... you've got a perfect engine..

    That doesn't make any sense. If it doesn't get results, it's not imperfect, it's useless. And preferring a search engine (or any other public web site) for the OS its maintainers choose is just plain silly.

  61. google gives preference to customers? by wifflefan · · Score: 1

    I agree with pretty much every other nerd out there that Google is the best search engine on the net, but there's something that keeps bothering me: it seems like every time I search for something, the top of the list is dominated by sites located at Geocities.com, which is of course owned by Yahoo!. Since Yahoo! is more than likely Google's best customer, you reckon its possible that Google is tuning there search to fit Yahoo!'s needs?

    I really don't think so myself, but it's something interesting to chew on.

    w|f

  62. Re:Another company that will bottom out.. Here's w by Twisted+Mind · · Score: 1

    They *are* already making money, or they would not get or go (err) IPO, (fortunately) the time is over that company's that aren't profitable can do that.

    Aparently google has found a way to make money without annoying ads or a too-busy looking website.

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  63. Truth in reporting ;-) by Obliqueness · · Score: 1

    From the article:
    "It works so well since users seem to be under the impression that all ads are graphical in nature and written-word ad placements are still editorial," says ad buyer Jonathan Adams, senior partner at Ogilvy Interactive.

    As seen through the all-knowing cynic's eye:

    "Google makes money because users can't tell the difference between text ads and search results. I can't pay those little ingrates to click on my JavaFlashScript banner ads, but post up a boring text ad, and they come running. How can I maintain a herd of sycophants, if I have to lay off my production and graphics departments? Damn communists."

    I wonder if the regulations that result from the SC^10A would make it illegal to not load banner ads.

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  64. Google was destined to succeed by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    It's simple:
    • Their ads are not animated.
    • Their ads are small. So, they load fast.
    • Their pages are clean.
    • It's functional.


    What more could you ask for?
  65. Doesn't support regular expressions by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    How can computer savvy people use a search engine that does not support regular expressions?

    Still google finds what I want 90% of the time.

  66. Who cares about ads? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If you go to AltaVista's text only search page, then you don't get any ads at all... not even graphics. It's quick to load, and quick to search. I've got it bookmarked, and it's the search engine that I always use.

  67. Try this query instead by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "+to +be +or +not +to +be, +that +is +the +question"

    In YOUR query:
    The word "or" was ignored in your query -- for search results including one term or another, use capitalized "OR" between words.[details]
    The following words are very common and were not included in your search: to be to be that is. [details]

    ie. Googlemeister stripped most of your words because they were too common. Be more intelligent with your searches and google WILL prevail

  68. *laugh* by MarkusQ · · Score: 2
    So? I searched for Google on another search engine [google.com], and I got 10**100 results!

    Cute. For those of you who are math challenged, it's a joke.

    -- MarkusQ

  69. How long 'till they sell out by torklugnutz · · Score: 1

    Look at everyone's old favorite, MetaCrawler. They were innovative, and extremely efficient, then they sold out and now the tool is about as worthless as any of the other individuals it crawled. Few products or services have withstood the buyout, WinAmp and ICQ come to mind. Some that I recall with less enthusiasm are Lotus 123 (which just sort of died, rather than being imroved to death), and Napster. With any luck, if they do sell out, it will be to Yahoo! I mean, look how much better they made GeoCities.

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  70. funny search by madmag · · Score: 0

    try searching for the word "dick" on http://images.google.com

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  71. % of visitors from Google by danny · · Score: 2
    Here's a graph of the number of visitors to my book review site coming from Google over the last 18 months or so:

    200002: 1628: 1.70%
    200004: 1116: 0.92%
    200005: 3583: 3.21%
    200006: 3184: 5.05%
    200007: 3347: 5.83%
    200008: 5085: 6.89%
    200009: 6216: 5.29%
    200010: 9341: 7.06%
    200011: 7786: 6.18%
    200012: 7345: 7.44%
    200101: 8985: 8.08%
    200102: 8422: 7.45%
    200103: 9685: 7.60%
    200104: 11588: 8.56%
    200105: 12983: 9.02%
    200106: 11740: 10.85%
    200107: 11917: 13.23%
    200108: 15378: 14.06%

    The percentages need to be multipled by about 2.5 to get fractions of external referers - ie in August 2001 about 35% of my traffic came from www.google.com. (Also, these figures don't include google.yahoo.com or google.co.uk or the other sites using Google.)

    Danny.

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  72. Bad Search Engines by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The worst search engine has gotta be MSN.COM. It takes the longest time to load of any search engine ive been to, does not conform to standards so it doesnt render properly in Opera, and its just so annoying each time you get out of Hotmail and are sent there. Hotmail itself is ever worse. It doesnt let me select messages in Opera and you can't use most of the functions in a non windows environment.

  73. *gasp* by Jin+Wicked · · Score: 1

    You just made my night. Thanks. :)

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  74. HAPPY HAPPY by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    goto images.google.com and type in "funny".. I now have a new found happiness.. it is the little things in life!!! THANK YOU GOOGLE!

  75. Check out citeseer by osolemirnix · · Score: 2, Informative

    Libraries had this a long time ago? Man, have you ever done a research for relevant papers in a library? Even with all their CD-Rom and online catalogs it still sucks, because it's still keyword based, like Altavista.

    That changed with citeseer, a search DB that specifically links publications and calculates their relevance based on common citations.
    Great for doing research, check it out.

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    Idempotent operation: Like MS software, wether you run it once or often, that doesn't make it any better.
  76. Web Relies more and more on Google - Danger? by Kruemelmo · · Score: 1
    More and more people, companies and web sites rely on Google's services as many comments on this article show and as my personal experience is, too. I also find everything using Google. Some other, smaller search engines just are no longer needed and might soon close. Infoseek.de, for example, will close at the end of October.

    The danger is that if the whole web starts to rely more and more on one single central search engine, what happens if it fails some day? Are we getting dependent on it as we are on the dns? The dns has the concept of secondary servers, though - Google does not, so far.

    There are many possibilities why Google could (partly) fail - technically, by intrest of its (future?!) owners, politically and so on. Again, a decentralized network of many smaller search engines and databases would be better in this regard for the web. It would probably not make as much money as Google.

  77. Self Denial by Andy_R · · Score: 2

    Google's cached copy of Google is prefaced by: "Google is not affiliated with the authors of this page nor responsible for its content."

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  78. Google and IBM's Clever Project by VDM · · Score: 1

    I wish to point out that a smart ranking technique based on hyperlinks, similar to that used by Google, but more complex, has been proposed years ago by the IBM's "Clever" Project.

    You can find a description on Hypersearching the Web, Scientific American 6/99.

    The article cites also Google, with the differences in respect to Clever.

    In particular, while Google limits hyperlink ranking to links pointing _to_ a page, Clever identifies two scores, "authority" and "hub" : "...a respected authority is a page that is referred to by many good hubs; a useful hub is a location that points to many valuable authorities".
    Values are calculated in an iterative way, depending also on the query.

    It's an interesting field of research, and Google demonstrates that it is also fruitful.

  79. a better way by bcaulf · · Score: 1

    Google's home page normally has no updated content except for changing the picture. You would do better to save the home page to a local file and make that your browser homepage. Loads even faster.

  80. ICQ certainly is a sell out by matthead · · Score: 1

    ICQ comes to mind as one of the bigger sell-outs - I don't need 500 features in a messaging program, with ads plastered all over every message I get from my buds.

    The only thing about ICQ that makes it halfway decent is that they don't make random changes to the protocol in order to force people to stop using non-sancioned clients.

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    -Matthead