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VIM 6.0 is Out
LinuxNews.pl writes "It's more then a year after releasing the first 6.0 alpha. Lot's of improvements (i.e. you can edit files via FTP!) - check
them out on vim.org" Of course everyone knows that vim is the best text editor in the world. Anyone who tells you differently is either wrong, lying, or criminally insane. (Or an emacs user, in which case they are wrong, lying and criminally insane).
Boy, the way Taco is trying to start a holy war here, anyone would think that he made money on ad impressions every time someone posted a comment.
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How come we can't mod CT's original post down as a troll?
Thank God I'm an atheist!
3 modes editing: now hitting the ESC repeatedly won't help you, you're doomed.
Je t'aime Stéphanie
So did Vigor, the vi paperclip, make it into the 6.0 release?
All true hackers know nvi is where it's at. Vim is for emacs wannabes.
...use cat and od
Go not to the Elves for counsel, for they will say both no and yes
"Anyone who tells you differently is either wrong, lying, or criminally insane."
:)
You forgot "selling something."
All I can figure is that the Slashdot coders have made some sort of change and want to see if the crap filter can take a huge load or not. Batten down the hatches! It's destructive testing time! The only explination I can find for this topic at least.
Papa Legba come and open the gate
Bah - Emacs is already at version 20. Clearly this means Emacs is 333% better than vim!
Wait, you mean version numbers aren't a measure of quality? Dang!
I still stand by WordPerfect 5.1 (Change font = Ctrl+Alt+ScrLock+PageDown+Fe+F6+F12+~+X), or Edlin... The preferred Text Editor amongst Sado-Masochists.
From: patl@athena.mit.edu (Patrick J. LoPresti)
Subject: The True Path (long)
Date: 11 Jul 91 03:17:31 GMT
Newsgroups: alt.religion.emacs,alt.slack
When I log into my Xenix system with my 110 baud teletype, both vi *and* Emacs are just too damn slow. They print useless messages like, 'C-h for help' and '"foo" File is read only'. So I use the editor that doesn't waste my VALUABLE time.
Ed, man! !man ed
ED(1) UNIX Programmer's Manual ED(1)
NAME
ed - text editor
SYNOPSIS
ed [ - ] [ -x ] [ name ]
DESCRIPTION
Ed is the standard text editor.
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Computer Scientists love ed, not just because it comes first alphabetically, but because it's the standard. Everyone else loves ed because it's ED!
"Ed is the standard text editor."
And ed doesn't waste space on my Timex Sinclair. Just look:
-rwxr-xr-x 1 root 24 Oct 29 1929 /bin/ed /usr/ucb/vi /usr/bin/emacs
-rwxr-xr-t 4 root 1310720 Jan 1 1970
-rwxr-xr-x 1 root 5.89824e37 Oct 22 1990
Of course, on the system *I* administrate, vi is symlinked to ed. Emacs has been replaced by a shell script which 1) Generates a syslog message at level LOG_EMERG; 2) reduces the user's disk quota by 100K; and 3) RUNS ED!!!!!!
"Ed is the standard text editor."
Let's look at a typical novice's session with the mighty ed:
golem$ ed
?
help
?
?
?
quit
?
exit
?
bye
?
hello?
?
eat flaming death
?
^C
?
^C
?
^D
?
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Note the consistent user interface and error reportage. Ed is generous enough to flag errors, yet prudent enough not to overwhelm the novice with verbosity.
"Ed is the standard text editor."
Ed, the greatest WYGIWYG editor of all.
ED IS THE TRUE PATH TO NIRVANA! ED HAS BEEN THE CHOICE OF EDUCATED AND IGNORANT ALIKE FOR CENTURIES! ED WILL NOT CORRUPT YOUR PRECIOUS BODILY FLUIDS!! ED IS THE STANDARD TEXT EDITOR! ED MAKES THE SUN SHINE AND THE BIRDS SING AND THE GRASS GREEN!!
When I use an editor, I don't want eight extra KILOBYTES of worthless help screens and cursor positioning code! I just want an EDitor!! Not a "viitor". Not a "emacsitor". Those aren't even WORDS!!!! ED! ED! ED IS THE STANDARD!!!
TEXT EDITOR.
When IBM, in its ever-present omnipotence, needed to base their "edlin" on a UNIX standard, did they mimic vi? No. Emacs? Surely you jest. They chose the most karmic editor of all. The standard.
Ed is for those who can *remember* what they are working on. If you are an idiot, you should use Emacs. If you are an Emacs, you should not be vi. If you use ED, you are on THE PATH TO REDEMPTION. THE SO-CALLED "VISUAL" EDITORS HAVE BEEN PLACED HERE BY ED TO TEMPT THE FAITHLESS. DO NOT GIVE IN!!! THE MIGHTY ED HAS SPOKEN!!!
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Carousel is a lie!
Text editors are for wimps!! I use a very small magnet to write my files. and CMOS when I'm feeling up to it..
- This isn't the sig you're looking for. Move along, move along..
I recently installed a linux distro on a new hard drive. Imagine my surprise when I open up a config file in vi and (gasp) it was in color! The horror! I quickly turned off the monitor and haven't touched that computer since. Someday perhaps I will gather the courage to turn the monitor on again, but not anytime soon!
Color text files! [[[shudder]]]
Let me say that again.
Laugh, it's a funny comment.
Funny like this web site: vi man
The middle mind speaks!
No, it's like asking a Ferrari to emulate a 60-story office complex, an employment agency, an aircraft manufacturer, a luxury yacht, and a Ferrari.
Do you know what they call that emulation mode?
VILE (vi-like emacs)
For vi emulation of emacs, just type ":sh emacs" (without the quotes)
The middle mind speaks!
:)
hawk
What if you're on some crusty old HP-UX machine in the back of someone's shop.
"Oops, sorry Mr. Client, I can't help you. This machine only has vi and, well, I'm just too lazy to learn how to use it. Maybe I can ftp the files to this Windows box and edit them with notepad... excuse me? Yes, certainly, I'll leave right away..."
> Has anyone done an emacs emulation mode for vim?
No, because they haven't figured out how to compress the 75 megs of diskspace a fuly featured emacs takes into the vim source, to give you that true "emacs feel".
Carl G. Jung
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"With one breath, with one flow, You will know Synchronicity" -La Policia
as a novice linux user I ask what is the difference between Vi And EMACS.
vi is like masturbation. It's not as good as the alternative, but it's always there.
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Mod up a post Rob doesn't like and you'll never mod again
This may be old, but it was new to me:
"Emacs is a great operating system - if only it came with a decent text editor."
** The opinions expressed here are my own, and do not reflect those of my employers - past, present, or future**
...say I am criminally insane! I regularly consult M-x doctor thankyou very much! ;)
vi{m}? has 5 modes:
Beep mode: everything you type rings the bell
Disappearing text mode: everything you type vanishes
Flash mode: everything you type makes the screen blink, scroll, and erase
Escape mode: everything you type needs an ESC
colon mode: all your text shows up at the bottom of the screen after a :
Emacs has 5 modes:
ESC
Meta
Alt
Control
Shift- regularly
In all modes everything you type requires the depressing of more than one of the above keys
in addition to a very-long-and-verbose-definition-that-you-look-up
after 22 years of vi, I think hjkl instead of
left down up right.
Ethics II Axiom 2. "Man thinks." B. Spinoza
Don't give anyone any ideas. I'm sure there's somebody out there with too much free time and a Lego Mindstorms kit....
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then Windows 2000 must be absolutely fantastic.
Oh, that's great. The vi/emacs flamewar is settled in my mind once and for all!
I mean, the cearly superior editor is the one which can be made to completely mimic the behavior of the other, lesser editor, right?
I once tried to find an emacs reference coffe-cup just like the one I had seen for vi. It was only available in sets of 20.
You're quite right. I don't know why you got modded down for this (Offtopic?); I suppose it's just another example of the old adage "Those that don't remember history are doomed to misuse mod points."
-- MarkusQ
...of a fortune I saw (can be found in the "linux" file in the fortune package):
:x :wq dang it :w:w:w :x ^C^C^Z^D
vi is [[13~^[[15~^[[15~^[[19~^[[18~^ a
muk[^[[29~^[[34~^[[26~^[[32~^ch better editor than this emacs. I know
I^[[14~'ll get flamed for this but the truth has to be
said. ^[[D^[[D^[[D^[[D ^[[D^[^[[D^[[D^[[B^
exit ^X^C quit
-- Jesper Lauridsen from alt.religion.emacs
Okay, let me attach some bait to the hook, drop down the line, and start trolling...
...it's nice to see vim sticking by it's one of it's principles - making a lightweight editor.
:-)
vim is lightweight? What have you been smoking, and why won't you share?
vim is only lightweight in comparison to emacs. It ain't lightweight compared to the vi family. It's like your 300 pound rube cousin you hate to invite for Thanksgiving because you'll have to cook two turkeys, and rent a spare sofa for the bowl games because the la-z-boy ain't big enough. The only thing that makes him tolerable is that he ain't your 500 pound neighbor emacs
If you want lightweight, try elvis.
A Government Is a Body of People, Usually Notably Ungoverned
gunzip -c > executable
That way you don't have to do nearly as much typing.
Text editor? Who needs a text editor when you have cat, head, tail, cut, sed, and a shell? Ya some kind of sissy or something?
After you type for awhile, a little talking toilet pops up and informs you that what you have written is crap. And then flushes it.
Stability and easy of use are the main goals for the future.
Stability and what?!?
-Karl
Emacs President Shrub today announced a new iniative in the war on user-friendlyness; Operation Infinite Swapspace.
This can be seen as a direct response to vi's recent attacks on Emacs functionality when a flock of rabid vi supporters chanted "vi don't suck, vi is leet, vi can edit in ftp!" outside the Emacs embassy in Kaboom, capital of Afarawayistan.
An Emacs representative commented the attack with "Those evil vi-llains will do anything to confuse the issues. The fact is that Emacs can solve the Towers of Hanoi problem faster than a vi user can learn to save a file and this bugs the hell out of them since most of them don't even know where Hanoi is. We are going to find their leader /vigor/bin/laden and make him pay for this atrocity."
vigor himself just said that "Vi vill :q! them!"
The Piconian ambassador was not available for a // comment, but rumours has it that he's busy compiling evidence.
Money for nothing, pix for free
vi vs. Emacs. Common enemy visual Studio or Code Warrier. (Or maybe even KDevelop on linux itsef!)
I have never seen anyone in my life editing code in word. If you've seen that you've been to hell...
Contrary to popular belief, coding is not all free blow-jobs and beer. Those things cost MONEY!
Emacs has been able to emulate VI pretty completely for ages actually, in addition to actually doing real work. Just takes a single snippet of e-lisp.
(use-global-map (make-sparse-keymap))
There you go! Just like vi, it beeps every time you do anything, and you can't quit. :)
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Friends don't let friends enable ecmascript.
Tim O'Reilly converted from emacs to vi.. OK, a master he may not be, but I have no clue what other people use. All I know is that apparently, both Stallman and Gosling have carpal tunnel syndrome. :)