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Bid to Tax Satellites Rejected
Kierthos writes: "This article updates an earlier Slashdot story about the Los Angeles County Assessor's office trying to tax satellites in orbit around the Earth. Short version: no go, the satellites don't get taxed."
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what, collect a toll for every orbit?
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like the ones my country has in orbit ? or russia ? or china ?
This would be a major infringment on other countries sovereignity. If LA really needs an extra cash tax it's own inhabitants, not the whole world.
What ? Me, worry ?
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though, not the Egyptian kind that can climb walls and punch a hole through your chest.
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These are the levies of the tax office Los Angelas, it's five year mission to seek out and tax new revenue sources, to boldly tax where no-one has taxed before!
I thought the courts would allow tax on space, considering Microsoft isn't a monopoly.
Hell - not only would the laws of physics fuck up in a black hole, the laws of tax would two.
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Maybe you Trekkies/Trekkers can explain something to me. Granted, I have only seen a handful of Star Trek episodes, but are Vulcans supposed to be annoying?
Just about everything out of their mouths are prefaced with a statement of planetary origin. "Vulcans do not have emotions". "Vulcans do not..." Why do they feel the need to 1) preface everything with "Vulcan" 2) Feel the need to speak for the whole planet. I'm sure that there is some variance on that planet.
Also, why the need to preface everything with "Logically..."? Granted there are a lot of stupid people on this planet, but I'll but a lot of decisions that get made are due to some form of logic. I don't preface everything I say with "logic dictates...".
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Of course, by those rules the U.S. would own part of the Sun every day...
PHEM - party like it's 1997-2003!
Reminds me of the court battle cities actually did win, that would allow them to tax any communications traffic going through cables laid within their jurisdictions. They were actually thinking about taxing per-square foot, as a way to come up with a "sensible" tax assessment, knowing full well they had no idea the value of the commerce flowing in the fiber, and copper.
Killing the Golder Goose, for sure.
they'll get taxed eventually like everything else.
Maybe they will try to tax Australian residents for using the area beneath LA County, or even the satellites who use the space beneath them for that matter.
Hehe I'd like to see LA PROVE that a satellite passed over head. They can't even catch half the people who run through the EZ Pass lanes in NJ!
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OK, I know governments can tax whatever they want, whenever they want. But there's usually a reason. For example, property taxes pay for local amenities and police. Vehicle taxes pay for the upkeep of roads and traffic signals, and the building of new ones. Direct taxes such as income tax and corporation tax pay for lots of stuff, mainly public goods such as defence, civil servants' wages, etc.
The other main use of taxation is as a disincentive to some activity or other (such as smoking and drinking, or in the case of fuel taxation, driving).
Why tax satellites? The space they orbit in requires no expenditure to maintain, and there's no reason to try putting people off launching satellites, because it costs many millions of pounds/dollars.
Apart from pure greed, what's the justrification behind such a proposal?
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Cause he voiced an emotional opinion about the tragic events? Because you're michael the censor? Or maybe you're a terrorist sympathiser. Pig.
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There are/(were?) a number of space related tax reform bills currently before congress, i.e.
1) Invest in space now (of 2001)
2) Spaceport equality act (of 2001)
3) Zero gravity, zero tax act (of 2001)
4) Space tourism promotion act (of 2001)
5) The commercial spacepartnership act (inactive)
Read all about it here
-- We don't understand software, and sometimes we don't understand hardware, but we can *see* the blinking lights
These people just don't give up, do they?
Please someone launch a free DNS Server on a satelite! Extraterritoriality NOW...
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I don't think they were trying to tax the satellites just because they were occassionally overhead. I believe they were trying to tax the owner of the satellites as a corporation based in L.A. that owned property, regardless of where the property was located.
Now, I don't know where Hughes corporate office is located. If it isn't located in L.A., then the tax assessor had no basis at all to attempt taxation. Their home page has a contact PO box in El Segundo, CA 90245-0956, but it doesn't say if they have even a branch there.
Don't get me wrong. I am glad the tax was shot down. Satellites cost enough already without adding taxes. Got too many taxes already.
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There's a UN charta that both the US and Russia signed that states that no county can claim sovereignty of celestial bodies. Property rights are a different matter, however, and no one can really stop you from claiming ownership of a celestial body, but I think you actually have to go there! "But it passed overhead!" probably wouldn't cut it. Now if it was permanently overhead, you may have some claim but I doubt it. For an example of a company planning to claim an asteroid see Space Dev.
I was worried I'd have to start paying taxes on all my sats, you know how it is, first you buy a car, then a house, then a multi-million dollar satellite, and the government wants to stick it's grubby hands in your pockets every chance they get. Isn't it bad enough already that I'm paying social security and I could get 10 times the return by putting that money in a 2% savings account instead?
Seriously, I think the federal government should be able to tax these sats because NASA and others are very important in the regulation of space and the coordination of all the objects out there (so these satellites don't go crashing into the international space center.) It should be just enough to pay for the work the federal govt. does, but it's ridiculous for some county to say "hey, we want some money, gimmie some money" just because they can. They have nothing to do with space travel so they should keep their grubby hands out of it.
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"no go, the satellites don't get taxed"
...but they do get their own DVD zone. Can't have astronauts "pirating" DVDs (would that make them Space Pirates?).
It's 10 PM. Do you know if you're un-American?
So, if the satellite catches fire, will they send Johnny Gage, Roy DeSoto, and LACoFD Engine 51 after it? Are they going to send Sheriff Baca after some bastard who steals the satellite? What gives?
The fall out from this type of ruling is going to be felt quite heavily in coming years.
/. I think, but if you think about it - would you rather be charged an extra couple of percent for your bandwidth or have propoerty taxes rise AGAIN!??
We are currently taxed for driving, flying, building a home, playing with toys, eating anything non-essential and much more. Data is harder to tax, and so for the greater part we are NOT taxed for exchanging data.
Governments tax for two reasons. 1: To pay for the 'stuff' of governing and providing public facilities to the country 2: As a penalty for anti social / environmental behaviours.
As a greater proportion of our wealth is spent 'virtually' a greater portion of our 'real' expenditure will have to be taxed to ensure the books balance.
Personally, I'd rather see fair taxes. Rich people exchange data (in the main) more than poor people. So tax us. Unpopular on
How wide a jurisdiction does the state of california have anyway? I mean, hell, if they can put a tax on satellites that are nowhere near their landmass, and which are moving by at thousands of kilometres per hour, how much longer till:
a) They move Washington DC down there so its grasp truly can exceed its reach, and
b) They start taxing tour busses and airplanes.
"Look at me, I invented the stove!" -- Ben Franklin
There should be a global tax for satellite launces, rather than satellite orbits to be spent on environmental projects. A huge amount of environmental damage is done by launching rockets into space (but then the americans here wouldn't know about the environment, would you?).
Such a project might also refocus the minds of the international community away from police states to combat terrorism (which might one day wipe out the human race) back onto environmental damage (which certainly will).
Actually someone has taxed there before. The article mentions that the city of Virginia Beach taxed the satellites of Fox Networks. However, a judge ruled against the city and ordered the money to be refunded.
Taken from a msgeek article:
:P NASA is technically in violation of the Digital Millenium Copyright Act!
"Call the MPAA thought police!
According to this site, NASA paid a region-hacking company in the UK for two hacked Sony FX-1 DVD players. This is technically illegal under the terms of the DMCA, as it thwarts a content-restriction scheme.
It could be argued that the ISS is an international zone beyond the reach of US law and therefore DMCA doesn't apply. But NASA is a United States government agency and is bound by the DMCA.
I look forward to what may happen if the MPAA decides to play hardball with NASA. This sounds like a terrific case to test the (un)constitutionality of the DMCA...bwahahaha!!! "
-- We don't understand software, and sometimes we don't understand hardware, but we can *see* the blinking lights
I am starting a tax shelter where we will send all of your property into space to keep the fed from taxing it...
;-)
Soon we will come up with a plan to let you get it down as well.
I do everything the voices in my head tell me to...
You just have to remember that most of the hot air comes out of the mouth, for testing purposes.
I can somehow imagine what it would look like in a testing center.
"It is a greater offense to steal men's labor, than their clothes"
Your memory is correct. Florida tried to pull the same stunt with IBM, attempting to tax them on their global revenue because they had a plant in Florida. That brilliant initiative went away pretty quickly when IBM threatened to completely pull out of Florida and shut down their Boca Raton plant, putting all those citizens of Florida out of work. IBM did eventually close Boca a few years back. Kind of a bummer really, it was the birthplace of the PC and a beautiful site as well.
I'm trying to teach myself to set people on fire with my mind... Is it hot in here?
They found another potential victim to extort money from. Watch in a few months there will be another proposel to tax something new. If you walked out of work and a group of thugs stole half your pay its called robbery. If the government does that its called taxation.
Only the State obtains its revenue by coercion. - Murray Rothbard
So, basically, the law hasn't really been set yet. Add in the fact that there's no generally accepted definition of 'outer space' and the situtation's pretty messed up.
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without prejudice
A few years ago, NASA decided to launch several spare TDRSS satellites even though they weren't really needed yet to replace the ones we already had on orbit.
Why? Because it cost more to keep them in storage on earth than it did to launch them and keep them on standby.
Think of the pharmaceutical factory he bombed; 20+ people died from his idiotic actions.
So that justifies 7000 US citizens being murdered. You stupid shit.
saru mo ki kara ochiru
What is WRONG with people? Why would they tax property of someone outside LA? Russians doesn't pay any of the other taxes you pay, either.
no one has that much disk space ...
To celebrate the occasion of my 1000th post, I will post no more forever on Slashdot. Goodbye.
You guys have to remember that this is one of the American states in which (by the rules) if you visit on vacation... your vacation pay is taxable by California and you should submit tax forms. Not enforced but its there. Usually traveling celebrities and sports teams get caught by this bit of crap.