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DigitalGlobe To Sell 61cm Resolution Satellite Photos

An Anonymous Coward writes: "Sample images from DigitalGlobe's QuickBird satellite are now available. This is the highest resolution commercial satellite with the ability to take panchromatic images at a resolution of 61cm." Space Imaging's best offering is a 1m panchromatic resolution image, so they have some competition it seems.

244 comments

  1. Sweet! by Skyshadow · · Score: 2
    "I can see my house from here!"

    Seriously, though, that's pretty darn cool. Pretty soon, we won't even need that stupid blimp over our favorite sporting events.

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    1. Re:Sweet! by dytin · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Actually, we'll probably always have to deal with the blimps, unless the stadium is on the equator. The only satellites that can be geosynchronous (stay at the same point over earth all the time, ie 1 orbit = 24 hrs.) have to be at the equator. So, if we wanted to get rid of the blimps, then we couldn't have a satellite over the stadium at all times. But hey, maybe someday there will be so many satellites in orbit that there always will be one over the stadium...

    2. Re:Sweet! by Greyfox · · Score: 5, Funny
      Yeah! I can see my house! Hmm. This was taken at noon! Why is my manager's car in my driveway? Maybe I can see in the window with this magnefying glass...

      Seriously though, I should start selling advertising space on my roof now. "Get your business seen from space!"

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    3. Re:Sweet! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I hadn't heard the equator thing before, but wouldn't work out well anyway...geosynchronous orbit requires a specific altitude (22,000 mi, I believe). It's way too high to get high-resolution pictures like this. I believe someone mentioned 450 mi, for comparison.

    4. Re:Sweet! by scotch · · Score: 1
      The term you are looking for is "geostationary". Geosynchronous means the orbit lasts one day - for example a satellite with an orbit inclined with respect to the equator, or one with a non-circular orbit. All geostationary satellites are geosynchronous, but not the other way around.

      HTH

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    5. Re:Sweet! by ChazeFroy · · Score: 3, Informative

      In the Washington DC picture, you can see the Pentagon and it's definitely missing some "rings" on its west wall :-(

    6. Re:Sweet! by Catmeat · · Score: 1
      Advertising From Above


      During the late 80's, there was a large warehouse under the flightpath into London Heathrow. Painted on the roof was Next Time, Fly KLM.

    7. Re:Sweet! by LMariachi · · Score: 1
      Pretty soon, we won't even need that stupid blimp over our favorite sporting events.

      Yeah, just as soon as someone figures out how to make a billboard on a satellite visible from Earth...

  2. Ugh! by zulux · · Score: 2, Funny

    Does anybody know how long it takes these birds to make an orbit - it's getting aufully hard these days to bury the bodies without someone taking a picture.

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    1. Re:Ugh! by Lostman · · Score: 1

      I swear.. ssssooo many amateurs are trying to get into the "biz" without having the knowledge that they really should for such a sensitive topic.

      Has the movie Enemy of the State taught you nothing??

      "Don't look up."

    2. Re:Ugh! by morcheeba · · Score: 5, Informative

      These satellites usually follow a sun-synchronous orbit. Basically, this is a polar orbit (meaning that the satellites fly over the north pole, the equator, the south pole, the other side of the equator, and then back over the north pole). One of these rotations happens every 101-103 minutes. Now, the beauty of the whole thing is that during the orbit doesn't fly over the same spot of the equator every time... it moves a bit. This bit is almost equal to the distance that the earth has rotated in those 103 minutes... thus, the satellite always follows the sun as works its way around the earth.

      This orbit strikes a good balance between maximum sun exposure (useful for taking pictures), global coverage, and revist time. Half the time it's in dark, the other half it's taking photos at noontime.

      Being in the light all the time would require a much higher orbit (near geostationary) that would make the optics work much harder. Since the satellite would be moving much slower with respect to the earth, the revisit time would also greatly suffer.

    3. Re:Ugh! by Lars+T. · · Score: 2
      It tought me that people will believe anything they see in some big budget movie. That they will get paranoid about it, yet totaly ignore that "they" can track their movement via their credit card payments and (even better) their cell phones.

      See that antenna on that building? They can tell you're close to it. Now they only have to wait a couple of hours till they can get one of their satellites to fly over you to get one image.

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  3. NICE by skeebo · · Score: 1

    Will they release photos of the headlines they grab off the newspapers, or the details in it...
    Seems the technology is there, high quality optics, incredible zooming and fine digitation of the photos...how close IS close...??

    1. Re:NICE by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Since the early 80's, the military has been able to read text off a cigarrette box from a sattelite.

      Mind you, that is the military.
      Not making this up either. Got that from the same source who told me about the NSA monitoring everything on the net, and that was before they admitted it.

    2. Re:NICE by skeebo · · Score: 1

      a cigarette box...somehow,I find movies actually being a propaganda machine to dissuade the actual truth...by making the actual truth.

  4. borken link by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    the link to the images is broken...

    1. Re:borken link by Stone+Rhino · · Score: 0

      All the links to their site are broken, and I doubt its slashdotted

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    2. Re:borken link by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      Let me get that's straight. You get "e"'s numbered post "2.718281", and you waste it on a redundant "Re: borken link" post? Damn you! I hope you have better plans for post #3141592.

    3. Re:borken link by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      haha :)

  5. don't werk ;( by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    none of the links to DigitalGlobe's website work for me. attempt to load failed and some ssl error?

    no way it's been slashdotted already?!

    ha!

  6. Privacy implications by Flarners · · Score: 4, Funny
    Holy cow, you all better get your tinfoil hats ready, because they really *can* and most likely *will* be watching us with these things! With Ashcroft's increasingly McCarthyesque persecution complex and our civil liberties being eroded away in the name of "national security" on a daily basis, you won't even be able to jaywalk without being spotted by one of these evil mechanical eyes! I bet the FBI is going to put a huge megaphone on every one of these satellites they shoot into space, so that as soon as you break a law, they can shout down the "word of god" from above, causing you to freeze in fear as the thought police zero in on your location!

    </humour> (in case the absurdity of this post and all the exclamation marks didn't make it entirely clear)

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    1. Re:Privacy implications by beerits · · Score: 1

      The United States Military and Intelligence agencys probably already satellites with better resolution than this. You should have put on your tinfoil hats yesterday

    2. Re:Privacy implications by prockcore · · Score: 2, Interesting

      "Holy cow, you all better get your tinfoil hats ready, because they really *can* and most likely *will* be watching us with these things!"

      Except for the fact that the satellite orbits the earth every 9 minutes, so you only get 1 picture every 9 minutes. Also don't forget that the earth is revolving below it (these satellites are in polar orbit, so the earth rotates below them). Which means it takes half a day for it to get to the proper latitude, and depending on the camera's angle, it may only be able to make 2 passes (that's 2 pictures, taken 9 minutes apart) before it has to wait 12 hours.

      So no, they won't be watching you with these.. and they never will until they can zoom in from geosyncronous orbit (30k miles). Physics is against them.

    3. Re:Privacy implications by T-Lex · · Score: 1

      Maybe you're joking, but you're right about Ashcroft's persecution complex and our loss of liberties, friend.

    4. Re:Privacy implications by prockcore · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Slight correction:

      Aparently, this satellite is higher up than some of the other ones... so instead of a 9 minute orbit, it's a 93 minute orbit! It can only take 1 swab of an area per orbit.. so that's 1 picture every 93 minutes. (And it's FOV is 15km, you rotate further than 15km in 93 minutes, so they have to wait 3 days to get back to the same exact spot)

    5. Re:Privacy implications by The+Man · · Score: 1
      Obviously the post is intended as humour, and the orbit of this particular satellite effectively prevents this type of surveillance, but... If he can (and he probably can; we're not allowed to know even though they use our money for it), I am damn sure that our fascist government would do exactly this. We are only saved by the fact that computers have no ability to discern either positive identification or criminal intent from satellite photos. That means humans have to sift through all this intelligence, and the government simply doesn't have the manpower to do that on a large scale. So for now I doubt large-scale photointelligence operations are ongoing. But you know the very idea of watching everything every person on Earth does, every minute of every day is enough to get Herr Ashcroft drooling.

      To which I say, no problem, and proceed to fuck him in the ass with a railgun. Bye-bye, johnny.

    6. Re:Privacy implications by scotch · · Score: 3, Funny
      There aren't any satellites with 9 minute orbits around the earth. For fun, calculate the altitude that this hypothetical orbit would have. Wouldn't that be fun to look down on satellites racing by from the comfort of your first class airline seat?

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    7. Re:Privacy implications by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's funny, I never saw you OPEN the humour tag.

    8. Re:Privacy implications by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm pretty much certain that they have several batches of say 24 Satellites each which are used to view 24/7 Full motion any fixed location they please.

      1) The NSA & US Govt. acknowledge having something about 10 times better (which means 100 times really). So were talking less than 1cm^2 per pixel accuracy possibly even millimeter resolution.

      2) To look at one fixed target, e.g Bagram Airport North of Kabul, they just keep changing the direction of the camera on 1 spy satellite which is in the path.

      3) Point No. 2, can last for about 10 mins, maybe more [X Mins] - the angle of the image will change over this time, but this is a small issue. So you've got FMV ;)

      4) With a batch of satellites, all with 10min or more [X Mins] gaps behind each other. After the first satellite has finished it's scanning, the next one comes into focus. Hence with 24 Satellites thats 4 Hours roughly!

      The Govt. is about 20 years ahead of whats commerically released, trust me!

  7. stupid /. effect by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    slashdotted already...damn

    1. Re:stupid /. effect by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      no google cache...double damn

  8. Crap! by GKW · · Score: 2, Funny

    Now they will be able to see the big board!

  9. /. already?? by rerunn · · Score: 1

    Is it?? Damn that was fast!

  10. /.'ed by Aerosiecki · · Score: 1

    I sure hope that the navigational computer isn't running on the same one as their server, because this would be the first time /. actually "brought down" hardware literally.

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    1. Re:/.'ed by nihilist_1137 · · Score: 2, Funny

      you think they saw this coming?

    2. Re:/.'ed by Stone+Rhino · · Score: 1

      CONGRATULATIONS! you got e (2.718282) to six places.

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  11. Whammo! by Nidhogg · · Score: 1


    Anyone able to mirror these before the box went up in /. flavored flames?

  12. Why should I worry? by nizo · · Score: 1

    Thankfully, I never go outside anymore, so until they get xray versions of these puppies I am safe.

  13. Cars on Survivor. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    How hard can the "challenge" be? There are cars there! Just take one of them into town when you get hungry!

  14. This is a HUGE privacy threat by b.foster · · Score: 1, Interesting
    Giving people the ability to spy on each other from several miles above the Earth is just begging for abuse. Imagine how much easier it is to be a stalker or an asshole cop nowadays; just watch your target for activity until they do something wrong.

    Incidentally, that happened to one of my cousins; he farmed several acres of land that were passed down from our great grandfather, and devoted a small patch to growing marijuana. One of the local troublemakers got into an argument with him once, and started watching him with a satellite imaging service (cf Enemy of the State). Sure enough, he mysteriously got turned in for growing pot by an anonymous caller and lost the entire farm. When he got out of prison, he went on welfare and has been living off the government dole for quite a while now because he has few skills and a nasty criminal record that he doesn't deserve.

    I really feel bad for him, and I think we should all oppose this horrible tool of surveillance before it is used against one of us.

    Bill

    1. Re:This is a HUGE privacy threat by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Or we could not grow illegal substances in our farms.

    2. Re:This is a HUGE privacy threat by zulux · · Score: 3, Insightful

      devoted a small patch to growing marijuana.

      Jesus, how much pot did he need? To be viewable from 450 miles away, the put feild must of been a *bit* more than just for his own consumption. When you know that each meter is one pixel, and it takes more that a few pixels to determine that it's indeed marijuana, then there must of been at least 10 square meteres of the stuff - and thats only ten pixels. Sounds like he was trying to pay off the bank loan for the new tractor with the proceeds.

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    3. Re:This is a HUGE privacy threat by dytin · · Score: 1

      Actually, I think that your story is really evidence that we should oppose the drug war. Although I agree that if the government starts using satellites to spy on its own people, it will be a sad sad day. I don't see a problem with individuals using the satellite images though, although when satellite images become more mainstream, the world will be a much different place.

      My condolences to your cousin though. He is perfect evidence of someone that could be a productive citizen, but instead is actually a drain on society through no fault of his own. The government keeps pulling this kind of crap, then they wonder why so many people are on welfare.

    4. Re:This is a HUGE privacy threat by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why do you feel bad for him? Why do you not think he deserves a ``nasty criminal record''? HE'S A FUCKING CRIMINAL, MAN!

      It's too bad your drug smuggling uncle didn't go out in a haze of bullets when the fed's arrived. Now *I* and every other honest taxpayer has to pay to keep this loser fed. (Give me his address, and I'll do my best to solve that little problem.)

    5. Re:This is a HUGE privacy threat by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      He must be related to Nate Newton.

    6. Re:This is a HUGE privacy threat by n-baxley · · Score: 1, Offtopic

      I wouldn't be too concerned about privacy, we can just submit a slashdot story about them each time they get on your case. Of course it would have to be accepted first.

    7. Re:This is a HUGE privacy threat by astr0boy · · Score: 1
      me his address, and I'll do my best to solve that little problem

      and what are you going to do to him? kill him? hmmm... that does make you a better person

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    8. Re:This is a HUGE privacy threat by Batlord · · Score: 2

      <i>... and a nasty criminal record that he doesn't deserve.</i>
      <p>
      I always thought that <b>undeserved</b> nasty criminal records were for people who didn't commit crimes. How about "nasty criminal record that he didn't expect" or just "nasty criminal record".

    9. Re:This is a HUGE privacy threat by wysoft · · Score: 1

      Well, if you're going to grow marijuana, you might as well grow marijuana. Honestly though, was he harming anyone by growing our favorite herb?

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    10. Re:This is a HUGE privacy threat by scotch · · Score: 1
      To be viewable from 450 miles away, the put feild must of been a *bit* more than just for his own consumption. When you know that each meter is one pixel, and it takes more that a few pixels to determine that it's indeed marijuana

      You're both wrong and right:

      Wrong because detection of plants can be done where the plants subtend far less than the projected pixel size. Techniques using mutliple detector tuned for frequencies across the spectrum (at least IR, Visible, and UV) and especially ratios between those multiple frequencies, plant identification and other interesting things can be determined. Don't be trapped by thinking imaging is the best method of remote sensing.

      Right because using just imaging, you would need far more than "a few" pixels to determine that the plant is pot - I'd guess you need sub centimeter resolution.

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    11. Re:This is a HUGE privacy threat by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      no, It won't make him a better person. He just wants his chance to get a free ride on the government dole.

      Maybe we could get some satellite images of the crime too!

    12. Re:This is a HUGE privacy threat by Jburkholder · · Score: 1

      K, I know I'll be moded down for this, but this reminded me, and I can't resist:

      "It's Pedro, he's been picked up again. This time he was robbing an ATM, at knife point. He needs your 'expert legal advice'".

      "STOP BREAKING THE LAW, ASSHOLE!!!!"

    13. Re:This is a HUGE privacy threat by drsquare · · Score: 1

      Fuck off and die.

    14. Re:This is a HUGE privacy threat by drsquare · · Score: 1

      Just like those women who went unveiled in Afghanistan are nasty criminals deserving of criminal records.

    15. Re:This is a HUGE privacy threat by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That *would* be a rather effective solution.

      How exactly do you "not deserve a criminal record" for breaking the law?

    16. Re:This is a HUGE privacy threat by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So a *local* spied on him via satellite instead of just walking over and taking a look?

      Your cousin is paranoid.

      Disclaimer: I feel that our drug-dealing friend got exactly what he deserved.

    17. Re:This is a HUGE privacy threat by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      How exactly do you "not deserve a criminal record" for breaking the law?

      By not causing harm/loss/etc to another person. What other possible reason could there be for giving someone a criminal record, than causing harm? Think about why we have law -- what's it for?

  15. distributed Osama hunt by Frothy+Walrus · · Score: 5, Informative

    instead of wasting spare cycles on SETI@home, we could be using them to find Osama.

    no, i'm serious.

    resolution of 61cm is more than enough to detect the movement of a cluster of people/troops. images could be sent to a central server, for distributed analysis and any unexplained masses moving to Pakistan could be pinpointed. why couldn't the US dedicate the spare CPU cycles to finding this terrorist?

    1. Re:distributed Osama hunt by dalutong · · Score: 2, Insightful

      because, as much as i don't care for terrorism, i also don't care for my CPU cycles working towards creating precedent so someday they can call me a terrorist and find and kill me.

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    2. Re:distributed Osama hunt by aprentic · · Score: 1

      Well. The latest statements seem to indicate that he's no longer in Afghanistan.
      It doesn't make the problem impossible but it's does make it harder.

    3. Re:distributed Osama hunt by tswinzig · · Score: 1

      instead of wasting spare cycles on SETI@home, we could be using them to find Osama.

      no, i'm serious.

      resolution of 61cm is more than enough to detect the movement of a cluster of people/troops.


      Is 61cm resolution also "more than enough" to detect movement of people BELOW THE EARTH, WITHIN CAVES?

      Just checking.

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    4. Re:distributed Osama hunt by interiot · · Score: 2
      I'd imagine that for this particular problem, the bottlenecks are more with the sattelite time that's available, and (to a lesser extent) disk space. Especially for the government.

      Also, 61cm is no big deal to the government; the government has long had access to much better equipment than civilians have access to. The US govmnt has been doing this sort of thing since the 60's, it's only recently that it's become available to the public. This is partially because of government restrictions and treaties (sorry for the old link, I haven't kept up on this sort of stuff), but also because of the costs involved.

    5. Re:distributed Osama hunt by korny · · Score: 1

      Umm - you don't seriously think these images are produced in real time, do you?

      Maybe, just maybe, they could tell you where Osama was, last time the sattelite went overhead.

      Provided he has a big sign saying 'Osama' in 61cm pixels on his hat.

    6. Re:distributed Osama hunt by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Or maybe we could use the lenses to calculate the REAL amount of civilians killed by the US bombardments.

    7. Re:distributed Osama hunt by dillon_rinker · · Score: 3, Funny

      First, they came for the Unabomber, and I said nothing because I wasn't a reclusive Luddite crank. Then they came for Timothy McVeigh, and I said nothing because I wasn't not a hyper-conservative nationalistic psycho. Next they came for Osama bi Laden, and I said nothing because I'm not a US funded expatriated Saudi mujahadein. At last they came for me, and there was no one left to speak out...

    8. Re:distributed Osama hunt by arkanes · · Score: 1

      Not to mention that 61cm isn't enough to tell one bearded dude in a turban from another bearded dude in a turbane. Especially at night.

    9. Re:distributed Osama hunt by poot_rootbeer · · Score: 1

      "We believe [Montogomery] Burns still has that [trillion-dollar] bill hidden somewhere in his house. But all we've ascertained from satellite photos is that it's not on the roof!"

      -Agent Johnson, Simpsons episode #5F14

    10. Re:distributed Osama hunt by HiThere · · Score: 2

      Well ...
      All of the information that I have about him passed through the government before I ever saw it. So how reliable should I rate it?

      That said, I believe that the preponderence of the evidence indicates that he, or anyway someone similar, is implicated. I've talked to eye-witnesses, and the Twin Towers event did happen. Beyond that ... beyond that I start having to trust people that I know to be liars. This gives me a quite queasy feeling. Life and death decisions are being made in my name by people that I don't trust, and whom I know to be liars. So what should I believe when they make some claim or other? For all I know Bin Laden is comfortably ensconsed in an Alexandria penthouse. And I don't mean Egypt. (That would be a quite insequre position, so I don't believe this for an instant, but that's belief, not knowledge.)
      .

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    11. Re:distributed Osama hunt by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Alternative ending:

      At last they came for me and I pulled out my nuclear BFG-9000 and blew them all away because I am a reclusive Luddite crank hyper-conservative mujahadein terrorist nationalist psycho. They should have looked for *that* combo first.

    12. Re:distributed Osama hunt by Lars+T. · · Score: 2

      It may be good enough to track somebody, but it certainly isn't good enough to identify somebody. The point is, they don't know where Bin Ladin is, so trying to track him is kind of silly.

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    13. Re:distributed Osama hunt by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sure, and the distributed client software is gonna be called 'Magic Lantern', right?

  16. umm.. by loraksus · · Score: 1

    All links seem down, mirror?

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    1. Re:umm.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Works great now...try again

  17. And the "Lost" bin Laden! by Jeremiah+Cornelius · · Score: 3, Funny
    If this is a publicly available commercial application, the NSA/CIA/etc. Have much better resources up their sleeve.

    These guys see him, know what side his hair is parted on, and how many rounds are in the clip of his Kalashnikov.

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  18. Fastest. Slashdotting. Ever. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    n/t

  19. What the hell are they running? by augustz · · Score: 1

    Slashdoted already? Let's hope their quickbird can't take a touch more abuse.

    Always a bad sign when the website flakes out. Usually means no one loadtested it, and some programmer took a bunch of shortcuts and has some incredibly inefficiant design (it looks like everything goes through one script with all the question marks).

    Can you say yuch? Can you say no scalability? Can you say silly?

    Probably trying to be cool...

    1. Re:What the hell are they running? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    2. Re:What the hell are they running? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Look again (telnet to the box directly)...Netcraft is a little late to the party on this one (yes, it's still linux...)

  20. Re:random number posts are back! by Unknown+Poltroon · · Score: 1

    COuld you at least do something interesting, like promes or something? I mean, any loser can do random numbers. Try pi next.

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  21. Not that exciting by yani · · Score: 1
    0.61 cm per pixel is certainly not enough to read a newspaper headline, or even tell the type of cars/trucks on the road the colour swaths are impressive though. Too bad it was slashdotted immediately ;)

    For those of you who are really having a lot of trouble getting anywhere with the link, I can tell you from the 2 or three I downloaded before all hell broke loose they aren't that much more impressive than the 1m resolution ones.

    1. Re:Not that exciting by yani · · Score: 1

      err...I mean 0.61m/61cm ;)

  22. Nice -- but why pay for this? by Bud+Dwyer · · Score: 1

    Terraserver has aerial photos of the entire country for free. You can look up your address and everything.

    Maybe composite aerial photos aren't quite as cool as satellite photos, but who cares? It's free.

    1. Re:Nice -- but why pay for this? by omega9 · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Yeah but a lot of the photos on Terraserver out very out of date. If i zoom in on my address our neighborhood hasn't even been built yet.

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    2. Re:Nice -- but why pay for this? by Phork · · Score: 1

      Most of hte photos on terraserver are more than 5 years old, some are 10 years old, a lot of them are black and white, i think the highest resolution they have is 1m, and most of the immages arent at that res.

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    3. Re:Nice -- but why pay for this? by Mulletroll · · Score: 1

      Though in some cases, this is an interesting feature. I get to see the dirt trails around my town I used to ride my bike on, where there are now mass-produced neighborhoods.

  23. Here are some of the images by GNU+Zealot · · Score: 5, Informative

    Because the site is being uber-flakey, I'm caching some of the images from their site and putting them on my website at http://guh.nu/temp/

    These images are probably copyrighted by digitalglobe.com so um, yeah.

    1. Re:Here are some of the images by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Thank you! How many people hit your site?

    2. Re:Here are some of the images by alkaline · · Score: 0

      thx for the fast loads

    3. Re:Here are some of the images by GNU+Zealot · · Score: 1

      Looks my 'cache' is ok according to their usage guidelines. (Even if it wasn't I still might be able to pull off the whole 'fair use' thing.)

      the following is taken from https://www.digitalglobe.com/?goto=gallery/downloa ds :

      Usage Guidelines

      ATTRIBUTION

      Credit: DigitalGlobe

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      Permission is granted to electronically publish, publish in hard copy and broadcast these satellite images if proper attribution to DigitalGlobe is provided.

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    4. Re:Here are some of the images by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      220 kB/s flakey ?

    5. Re:Here are some of the images by GNU+Zealot · · Score: 1

      Their site's definitely acting better now. Before it was denying 80% of the requests to it. If only I could now mod myself down.

  24. A link with info...... by tiwason · · Score: 3, Informative

    Here is a link to some info on that sat.

    http://www.eurimage.com/Products/qb.shtml

  25. It's nice to see metric prevail by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    And, granted, 2.000 feet equal 60.96cm, but in my book "2 feet" gets rounded to 60cm.

  26. Not to be pedantic, but by Bud+Dwyer · · Score: 1

    These guys see him, know what side his hair is parted on, and how many rounds are in the clip of his Kalashnikov.

    a) You mean 'magazine', not 'clip'
    b) Satellites don't have superman-style x-ray vision; and bin Ladin wears a turban; and steel doesn't transmit light.

    HTH.

  27. Moral by trip11 · · Score: 1

    Moral of this story is to grow your weed in small patches of less than one sq meter each, or better yet, less than half a square meter each so that the surouning vegitation fills in each pixal. That or just grow legal crops.

  28. uh oh by Joe+the+Lesser · · Score: 1

    I think it's time to stop sunbathing nude on the roof. Alas.

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  29. this site is crashed, dude by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    try later

  30. That argument holds no water by freebsd+guy · · Score: 0, Informative

    Studies have shown that decriminalizing drug use removes the societal stigma that keeps addiction rates low. And since our government has plenty of money (look at the deductions on your next paycheck if you don't believe me), maintaining a war on drugs really doesn't take a big chunk out of the budget. And it is worth every penny to anyone who cares about their children and friends.

    Dropping the war on drugs is only slightly less absurd than dropping laws against murder. Drugs destroy families, friendships, and lives; why should our government encourage their use?

    freebsd guy

    1. Re:That argument holds no water by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      My god. I never thought I'd agree with one of those FreeBSD using faggots, but this time you have my unwavering agreement.

    2. Re:That argument holds no water by odaiwai · · Score: 2

      what studies? where?
      If you're going to make assertions like that then back them up with cites.

      dave

    3. Re:That argument holds no water by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Oh right. So if they legalize heroin tomorrow, you're gonna start shooting up. Fuck off, troll.

    4. Re:That argument holds no water by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So I guess you're going to start with alcohol and tobacco, which collectively result in about 400K premature deaths a year, huh?

      Idiot.

    5. Re:That argument holds no water by MiTEG · · Score: 1

      If by low addiction rates you mean 6.1% of the U.S. population over the age of 12, yes, you are correct.

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    6. Re:That argument holds no water by GigsVT · · Score: 0, Offtopic

      I see that the parent has been modded offtopic. I'd have to disagree, since this discussion is about satellite imagry, and aerial survelliance is a big factor in the drug war.

      Second off, don't waste time moderating subthreads, if people aren't interested in a subthread, they just won't be clicking on the parent, or following it down (depending on viewmode).

      So go ahead, mod this one offtopic too, I've got 50 more karma to burn.

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    7. Re:That argument holds no water by Happy+Monkey · · Score: 2

      Dropping the war on drugs is only slightly less absurd than dropping laws against murder.

      That statement is only slightly less absurd than saying that drug use is only slightly worse than murder.

      Drugs destroy families, friendships, and lives

      So does alcohol. At one point, it was prohibited as well.

      why should our government encourage their use?

      What, if it's not forbidden it is by definition encouraged? Everything not prohibited is compulsory?

      Disclaimer: I don't use alcohol or drugs.

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    8. Re:That argument holds no water by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      We should also criminalize everything else that is harmful or that I don't like.

      I saw a fat guy eating a twinkie. I bet that somewhere, there is somebody who loves that fat guy and will miss him when he's dead of heart attack at age 30. We should outlaw twinkies. Letting twinkies remain legal is only slightly less absurd than dropping laws against murder. The war on twinkies would be worth every penny to anyone who cares about their children and friends.

      And the same goes for Rock and Roll music.

    9. Re:That argument holds no water by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Heh, I thought that that was a good post, too bad the dumbass moderators had to mod it down.

  31. Is privacy really what we're looking for? by aprentic · · Score: 2, Insightful

    You can always protect yourself against this type
    of invasion by blocking the line of site between
    the satelite and whatever it's trying to look at.
    But think of this. As more and more companies allow private citizans to access this information, it will be harder and harder to police what they are looking at and who they are selling the images too.
    In the US the major media networks have agreed not to show any images of dead Afghanis, and the government bought all the Afghanistan images from Space Imaging. Do you think it would make a difference if American citizens could see what was happening at groud level there?

    1. Re:Is privacy really what we're looking for? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      In the US the major media networks have agreed not to show any images of dead Afghanis, and the government bought all the Afghanistan images from Space Imaging. Do you think it would make a difference if American citizens could see what was happening at groud level there?

      Does everything need to be presented to you like a child's picture book for you to believe it? Yes, people are dying. It's a war. In wars people die and things get broken. That's the point. He that has the most shit left unbroken when the war is done is usually the winner. In this case the Special Forces is amazingly good at breaking shit and killing people. Keep up the good work guys and stay out of site. It's OK, the "Eastern Alliance" can keep thinking they're the ones sending the Arab terrorists running but we all know they couldn't hit the broadside of the moon with their ancient AK-47s. The real guys doing the work are the small groups of heavily trained special forces flushing them out towards Pakistan into the hands of the Pakistan army. Excellent work.

    2. Re:Is privacy really what we're looking for? by Shelled · · Score: 1
      Do you think it would make a difference if American citizens could see what was happening at groud level there?

      Yes.

  32. Is this really the best? by thumbtack · · Score: 3, Interesting

    If it's available in the private sector, one has to wonder what the military has available. Ever since I can remember, what the general public knowledge is, usually runs about 10 years behind the times. When I got out of the military, we had been using touch tone phones (Autovon) for 5 years, but the private sector was just becoming aware of touchtone, as limited areas were beginning to test them in the USA. During the Falkland islands conflict, most people were amazed that a ship could be sunk from 150 miles away by an air launched missle. We were amazed at Stormin' Norman's description of the "Luckiest man in Iraq" (the video of a car just making it across the bridge as a laser guided tv camera bomd hit just feet behind him). That we were able to give 15 minutes warning to Saudi Arabia that a Scud was on the way and where it was targeted. (even though the tech had been in place for quite a while.)

    In Afghanistan we are using poratble satellite phones and video (even CNN is using it),and (even if it is webcam quality), voice printing to identify commanders and Osama bin Laden. If you think this 61 cm is something, I wouldn't be surprised if the military resolution is at least half of 61 cm or even less. Probably be able to get the Expiration date from his drivers license, or what brand of cigarettes he smokes.

    1. Re:Is this really the best? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Wait a second. If one pixel on the military image represents even half of the civilian 61cm, that is still not even close enough to even spotting the cigarette pack, not to speak of the brand inscribed on it. 30cm is 10 inches.

    2. Re:Is this really the best? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      Wait a second. If one pixel on the military image represents even half of the civilian 61cm, that is still not even close enough to even spotting the cigarette pack, not to speak of the brand inscribed on it. 30cm is 10 inches.

      so it's good enough to pick Ron Jeremy out of a crowd.

    3. Re:Is this really the best? by dstone · · Score: 0, Offtopic

      so it's good enough to pick Ron Jeremy out of a crowd

      Only if Ron finds the crowd arousing.

    4. Re:Is this really the best? by dstone · · Score: 2

      Ever since I can remember, what the general public knowledge is, usually runs about 10 years behind the times.

      Your 10-year theory may hold for satellite imaging technology, but it seems to me that one of the most important measures of progress or technology doesn't really lag at all for the private sector: CPU power.

      Is the military able to get their hands on supercomputing or number-crunching power that the private sector will need to wait 10 years for? I doubt it. SETI@home may be one interesting example, but private entities with enough cash (and some can give even military budgets a run for their money) can buy as many supercomputers from Cray, IBM, NEC, Fujitsu, etc. as they need.

      This probably didn't bother the military 10 or 20 years ago. But today, having the ability to encrypt, decrypt, process photographs, extract signals from noise, etc. can create or win wars.

    5. Re:Is this really the best? by Noehre · · Score: 1

      ASIC Blue, ASIC White, etc. etc.

      See a trend? The gov't always gets the best supercomputers first.

    6. Re:Is this really the best? by NullAndVoid · · Score: 2

      If you think this 61 cm is something, I wouldn't be surprised if the military resolution is at least half of 61 cm or even less. Probably be able to get the Expiration date from his drivers license, or what brand of cigarettes he smokes.

      Um, 30 cm resolution *might* be good enough to tell that he was holding something about the size of a driver's license, but is not going to be good enough to make out what it is he's holding, much less what's written on it.

      Fer f@ck's sake, anybody who blathers on about satellites being able to read a newspaper and that kind of crap needs to actually look at one of these images. At 1 meter resolution you can make out a car. Not what kind it is, just the fact that there is an object which, given that it's basically rectangular and located on a road or parking lot, is most likely a car.

      It's going to need at least 100-1000x more detail than that to be able to read things. I'm sure the militar has got much better than the private sector, but are they *that* far ahead? Maybe. And maybe they really are test flying alien UFOs.

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    7. Re:Is this really the best? by dillon_rinker · · Score: 2

      Dude, you are so blind. EVERYONE knows that the "Pentium" was state of the art in 1971, when the US government was finally able to reverse-engineer the computing technology of the scout ships that crashed in Roswell in 1947. Intel is a front through which the Majestic 12 have been releasing CPU technology to US industry over the last 30 years. Moore's law is fine and dandy for civilian applications, but you've got to realize that the government started out light-years ahead and has had a much higher growth factor in the last 30 years. A single state-of-the-art military CPU probably outclasses the combined computing power of EVERY computing device in civilian usage.

      Open your eyes...

    8. Re:Is this really the best? by arkanes · · Score: 1

      The amount of detail top military satellites are capable of aside, there are people who spend all day doing nothing but looking at grainy satellite photos with magnifying glasses. I wouldn't be suprised if they can tell the make/model of a car with pretty good reliability at 1m resolution.
      Probably not quite like it is in the movies just yet, tho :P Anyone but me annoyed how images become HIGHER resolution when you zoom in on them in movies?

  33. Reminds me of a Reagan-era Doonesbury strip... by Tsar · · Score: 3, Interesting

    ...in which the hirsute denizens of Walden Pond were contemplating possible Republican strategies for reducing teen pregnancies. My favorite: Mike's suggestion of a fleet of megaphone-equipped vans roaming suburban streets during the evening hours, blaring "CUT THAT OUT!" every few seconds.

    On a decidedly on-topic note, though, imaging all 9,629,091 sq km (according to the CIA World Factbook 2001) of the USA at 61-cm resolution in 24-bit color would result in 77.6 terabytes of data. That's for one frame; at a rate 1 frame per second, that would be 6.7 exabytes per day. Ask the Almighty to provide you with a 10,000-to-one compression algorithm, and you could get a day's worth of data down under a petabyte.

    Let's see Jon Voight find Will Smith in that.

    1. Re:Reminds me of a Reagan-era Doonesbury strip... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Doonesbury sucks anyway. He's a liberal fuck face who should be shot as a traitor for the shit he draws in his strip. He's making the war in Afghanistan out to seem like we're the bad guys. FUCK YOU DOONESBURY!

    2. Re:Reminds me of a Reagan-era Doonesbury strip... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      We are the bad guys. The scary part is that the enemy is even worse.

    3. Re:Reminds me of a Reagan-era Doonesbury strip... by themassiah · · Score: 1

      Just take black and whites and have Ted Turner Colorize(TM) it!!

      He probably owns the damn sattelite anyways.

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    4. Re:Reminds me of a Reagan-era Doonesbury strip... by Jburkholder · · Score: 1

      >imaging all 9,629,091 sq km ... of the USA at 61-cm

      I'm assuming that includes all of the sparsely populated areas in Montana and Alaska? If you trimmed the area to image down to the parts big brother would really find interesting, it would be a whole lot smaller, I would imagine (although, probably still be way huge)

    5. Re:Reminds me of a Reagan-era Doonesbury strip... by Lars+T. · · Score: 2

      Heck, let's see him find Will in one 61x61 cm^2 pixel ;-)

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    6. Re:Reminds me of a Reagan-era Doonesbury strip... by 4of12 · · Score: 2

      On a decidedly on-topic note, though, imaging all 9,629,091 sq km (according to the CIA World Factbook 2001 [cia.gov]) of the USA at 61-cm resolution in 24-bit color would result in 77.6 terabytes of data. That's for one frame; at a rate 1 frame per second, that would be 6.7 exabytes per day. Ask the Almighty to provide you with a 10,000-to-one compression algorithm, and you could get a day's worth of data down under a petabyte.

      Not a problem!

      Most of the interior of the North American land mass, that which is commonly called the "midwest", can satisfactorily be compressed at ratios of 100,000 to 1 with absolutely zero loss of significant data!

      Uniformity in the midwest compensates for coastal areas, where, um, "variability", exists that would otherwise inhibit a high, no-loss compression ratio.

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  34. Wierd angle? by mclearn · · Score: 1

    Shouldn't the images be less angled than this? If the satellite is 423 miles above the surface, then shouldn't I see the tops of buildings and less of the sides? It looks like Ultima 5.

    1. Re:Wierd angle? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      satellites are allowed to look sideways ...

    2. Re:Wierd angle? by BigBir3d · · Score: 1

      It is matter of how much they are willing to pay. To have the opportunity to get a nice "straight down" angle, you gotta pay the big bucks. If the satellite is passing over Guatemala, then it is cheaper.

  35. site accessible, no images by madcoder47 · · Score: 0

    even though i can now see the site, no images load. with the quality of this site, i'd say its hosted off of a rice cracker running dos.

  36. Wheeeeee! by x136 · · Score: 2

    I can finally find that %$#@ frisbee I threw up on my roof ten years ago!

    Hm, look at that, I'm getting a little bit thin up top...

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  37. Got Linux?!?!? by mcrbids · · Score: 1, Flamebait
    This site has an "Interactive Gallery" that my NS 6.2 on Linux browser is "unsupported" with!

    Anybody want to flame these people?

    -Ben

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    1. Re:Got Linux?!?!? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why would you? they run linux too!

    2. Re:Got Linux?!?!? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      worked fine with galeon 1.0/mozilla 0.9.6 on linux for me.

      time to upgrade, perhaps?

  38. slashdotted into oblivion... by bani · · Score: 2

    ... less than 3 minutes after posting.

    This has to be some sort of record.

  39. MIT Orthophoto server has 50cm resolution images by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The MIT Orthophoto server has 50cm resolution images. Here is Harvard Square at 50cm resolution. These images have been available for a while, though for Massachusetts only.

  40. You don't think the gov. can do better than 61cm? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Conservative estimates are that the US Government has military satellites at LEAST an order of magnitude better than the best commercial photos available. That would make 6.1cm resolution. Personally, I believe they're better than that... I've seen a few images through my work that has convinced me.

    I visited a military site in Israel where they print satellite photos... and mistakenly saw a low res screen preview (i.e. 72dpi) of a 500MB satellite photo... and I could already make out cars and trucks quite easily. The full-res data was easily 30-50x the resolution I saw on the monitor.

    Think about it...

    A/C... cause I'm 'fraid! :)

  41. Importance of Resolution? by cliffy2000 · · Score: 1

    Correct me if I'm wrong... but resolution doesn't mean a thing if the image quality isn't good. If the image itself isn't very clear, the resolution won't matter. Is this a true 61 cm per pixel image -- or rather, a faux resolution... I can make a 1 m image have 61 cm resolution, but it won't change a thing. Still an ambitious attempt, though.

    1. Re:Importance of Resolution? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Some images are shown on the site. Why don't you take a look and judge for yourself?

  42. The link is to their SECURE SERVER, doh! by iansmith · · Score: 1, Informative
    No wonder the server died a horrible death, the links above are using a secure server!

    It works much better if you use just a standard http access.

    Try this: http://www.digitalglobe.com/?goto=gallery instead and stop torturing tose poor servers.

    Maybe this article will get updated URLs soon?

  43. Is this all such a good thing? by josh+crawley · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I may be much for technology, but this kind of thing comprimises US national security. I live here in the country (aka, not city) so things like airplanes crashing in our house is'nt a problem. This sub-point is that I'm safe from extra-government actions.

    What it comes down to is; if we can buy pictures of 64 cm= 1 pixel, so can terrorists and enemy countries. The US military made this type of device in the Cold War so they could SPY on other countries for intelligence (however mainly USSR at the time). Now, they're used in large intelligence missions over enemy territory so that OUR soldiers don't get killed due to lack of mapping.

    There is a good basis for the US military to have this technology, but what are the pluses for non-military to have this? Other than the sake of knowing, not any. They aren't valid survey techniques, you pay surveyors that. Home camera's make good security systems, sat cams don't.

    The negative's come at a distinct disadvantage. Say a US civillian is interested in a Chinese nuclear power reactor and pays for sat scans. Then they post it online, which I believe this has been done (can't remember site). If the Chinese gov't find about this, don't you think that they would be slightly miffed off at the US? Or how about taking pictures of US military installations? Those are dangerous to the saftey of US citizens, Military and non-military.

    Josh Crawley

    ps: I'll probably be modded down, since mod's here dislike anything but the typical knee-jerk , no matter how well a disagreeing is written.

    1. Re:Is this all such a good thing? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      (almost) anything that you can see in these photos you can see in person. If people from other countries are seeing it, they could see it in person for the price of a plane ticket and a good excuse to get a visa. I've heard other people raise this argument before; "doesn't this help terrorists/rogue states"? Think about it, genius. Do you need an aerial photo to aim an ICBM at NYC? Did the terrorists need to research the area around Manhattan to figure out that the WTC is located there, and they should fly the plane in that general direction? Honestly, what the hell can you do with this?

      Also, I'd have trouble believing that the Chinese gov't is not aware that the US has the ability to peep at them with about 50 different satellites. I don't think they are suddenly going to become aware because Joe User posts pics online.

      As for pictures of US military installations, what is there to see? Anything that they don't want you to see is hidden underground, and the government restricts private remote-imaging firms from releasing data less than 24 hours old. So if you're Osama Bin Laden, you might be able to get a pic of the B2 that just bombed your ass taking off, although about a day late.

      Use your head.

    2. Re:Is this all such a good thing? by onya · · Score: 1

      your disagreeing isn't writ goodly but.

    3. Re:Is this all such a good thing? by josh+crawley · · Score: 2, Informative

      =="(almost) anything that you can see in these photos you can see in person. If people from other countries are seeing it, they could see it in person for the price of a plane ticket and a good excuse to get a visa."

      Other than many military installations which are surrounded with razor wire fencing, this is true. I'm mainly worried about those installations.

      =="I've heard other people raise this argument before; "doesn't this help terrorists/rogue states"? Think about it, genius."

      First of all, I am 'thinking about it'. How does commercial sat pictures _help_ us? I cannot come up with at least one convincing answer.

      =="Do you need an aerial photo to aim an ICBM at NYC? Did the terrorists need to research the area around Manhattan to figure out that the WTC is located there, and they should fly the plane in that general direction? Honestly, what the hell can you do with this?"

      First you have to see terrorism in the terrorist eyes. If I remember correctly, our local television news programs have 'exposes' that detail the lack of military awareness of chemical factories. In our area, there is a military surplus of many types of nerve agents. The news mentioned what the facility was called. Now if some rich terrorists were to look at a map and determine where this was, they could buy a sat map and know the outer schematics of this plant.

      Also, be aware that some military installations are NOT on maps. the only way to see it is to get past the guards with nice SMG's (yes, the last time we passed through, they were carrying that type).

      =="Also, I'd have trouble believing that the Chinese gov't is not aware that the US has the ability to peep at them with about 50 different satellites. I don't think they are suddenly going to become aware because Joe User posts pics online."

      Maybe I didn't explain what I considered that bas scenario. The US knows about China's (fill in the blank), however the US hides that knowledge from us for certain reasons. There is NO need to know about a nuclear reactor at coords x,y or other such stuff. This type of data should be seen as need to know only. All we should care about is if the military is doing thier job.

      =="As for pictures of US military installations, what is there to see?"

      Like I said above, there are some installations that positions are itself marked as a rating _under_ classified but still not released to the public. Pictures of these places are nothing but deterimental

      =="Anything that they don't want you to see is hidden underground, and the government restricts private remote-imaging firms from releasing data less than 24 hours old. So if you're Osama Bin Laden, you might be able to get a pic of the B2 that just bombed your ass taking off, although about a day late."

      So you told me something I didn't know. I wasn't aware that such a law exists.

      =="Use your head."

      I am, are you?

      Josh Crawley

    4. Re:Is this all such a good thing? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      First you have to see terrorism in the terrorist eyes. If I remember correctly, our local television news programs have 'exposes' that detail the lack of military awareness of chemical factories. In our area, there is a military surplus of many types of nerve agents. The news mentioned what the facility was called. Now if some rich terrorists were to look at a map and determine where this was, they could buy a sat map and know the outer schematics of this plant.

      Also, be aware that some military installations are NOT on maps. the only way to see it is to get past the guards with nice SMG's (yes, the last time we passed through, they were carrying that type).

      "Alright Mohammed, we have downloaded the images of the military facility from digitalglobe.com. Stupid kaffirs! Now, from looking at the images, I can tell that the facility is surrounded by a fence, and a wall, and then we have some buildings. We will have to cut through the fence, climb the wall, and enter the buildings. There will probably be many men with guns, so we will need more guns. Now, does everyone understand this detailed operation plan, which we were only able to conceive of because the stupid infidels made their satellite imagery available online? Ok, everyone get your plane tickets and fake passports, let's go!"

    5. Re:Is this all such a good thing? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Don't worry about josh, he's a prick. From his post, I'm guessing he's one of those dicks who want to nationalise everything instead of letting companies run themselves, cuz he wants to feel safe from taking everyone's freedom away.

  44. Stupid Industry by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Assumptions:
    Satellite Lifetime: 5 years.
    Highly optimistic # of usable images per day : 50

    Cost of satillite: 1 billion dollars.

    cost / # of images =
    1,000,000,000 / (50 * 365 * 5) = $10958 per image.

    They'll be lucky to make their payroll much less their debt payments.

    This industry is higly subsidized by taxpayer dollars via Defense Department spending. Why this is contracted out to companies pretending to be private industry is a bit of joke. With India, Israel, China and France subsidizing their
    satillites, this "private" satillite remote sensing industry is a complete fraud. By the way, the reason they do it is because if you can launch a polar orbit satillite, you can launch and ICBM. Why not put a camera on your test payload and minimize the losses?

    1. Re:Stupid Industry by kawaichan · · Score: 1

      My understanding is that the US military is renting those satellites from these companies. I don't exactly see how much they actually make, but honestly, probably not enough to make it worthwhile.

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    2. Re:Stupid Industry by Graymalkin · · Score: 3, Interesting

      SpaceImaging charges 55$ per sqkm with a minimum of 100 sqkm. So for those highly optimistic useful 50 images a day they're making 5500$ each. That's half the figure you came up with. Now for the kicker. Many organizations are buying many hundreds of sqkm all the time from arial recon companies. Why? Farmers can use the data to figure out how well their crops are doing, knowing where water collected after a rainfall tells you where you may or may not need to water the next week which saves you lots of money in both equipment and man hours. If you can save a 100,000$ worth of crop for spending 20,000 you just saved yourself 80% of what your loses would have been. State governments can spend a couple grand every year to inventory public roads. Not all uses for arial photography require a single precise image taken every five minutes. SpaceImaging is just complimenting a business that lots of organizations already use.

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  45. Quickbird/earlybird by morcheeba · · Score: 2

    Orbital was working on the quickbird and earlybird satellites (the names got changed around as schedules, ahem, moved). At the same time I was also working on our tractor-trailer tracking system. I figured that if we could save a lot of money if just ditch our GPS/cellular tracking hardware and put giant bar codes on the trailers, and track them visually with the satellites. But, alas, we only had 1 meter resolution and even with a 53' trailer, there wasn't enough room for a suitable bar code. But, with this better resolution, my plan's now feasable!!

    Fun fact: giant shipping companies lose one or two trailers a year each because they don't know where they left them.

    p.s. patent pending. Ok, not really, but if anyone tries this, please let this post serve as evidence of prior art.

    1. Re:Quickbird/earlybird by alistair · · Score: 1

      The UCL - Space Sciences posting linked to above is an excellent introduction to both the technical capability and the commercail terms that most of the major earth imaging satellite systems work to. It also has some good descriptions on the legal restrictions on imaging specific areas of the globe and the impact on the aerial photography market. The document starts with a clear copyright statement and a very limited distribution list, so it may not be there for too long!.

      The University College London Geography Department hosts an excellent web site for those interested in remote sensing but also produce some excellent visualisations of the internet and world wide web, the site can be found at http://www.geog.ucl.ac.uk/.

    2. Re:Quickbird/earlybird by nytes · · Score: 1

      Actually, Earlybird launched and went silent after a few days (in 98, I think).

      Quickbird 1 blew up during launch.

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    3. Re:Quickbird/earlybird by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It wasn't Orbital that did Quickbird! It was Ball Aerospace in Boulder CO

  46. 61 cm? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    61 centimeters, my ass. That's two feet to you and me.

    They might as well have called it 0.6096m resolution.

  47. Neither does yours. by SectoidRandom · · Score: 1

    Despite being so offtopic, i feel i must inject.

    If such studies show what you say, then care to explain why one particular country named The Netherlands (ala Amsterdam) has significantly LESS use of such drugs than even the United States. [link]

    Also you may notice there some other facts such as the lower murder rate, and what i saw as the noticable level of ignorance of some American Politicians.. :)

  48. What's the pricing? by Animats · · Score: 2
    Assuming you don't need a custom camera run, what's the pricing? Can't find that on the site.

    I'm involved in trail planning, and could use this. GlobExplorer's imagery is several years old.

  49. IT?? I think not!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If the obvious were a snake it would have enveloped you with it's limbless tube-like torso long ago.

    The key word here is 'Electric'.

    Imagine if you will, a tired lazy old hag that has nothing to do but waste away her useless life watching t.v. and eating pastries.

    Now imagine a youthful, vivacious, whip of a teenager, just becoming aware of the world arround him and his role in it.
    Exactly what the New Gestapo fears the most, unbridled, raw emotion. And power.
    Their question, `how do we stop this?` their answer, remove the LEGS, the LIFEBLOOD of the youth of America. Promote laziness and new role models based on aged Bavarians and you have yourself the recipe for world domination.
    Long day at school? Ride your lazy machine.
    Long night on drugs? Ride your lazy machine.
    Any reason at all? Ride your lazy machine.
    And when Joe Hat launches the nukes and the EMP's ruin your ELECTRIC leg-crippling-mobiles you won't have the ability to run from Dr. Zurich and his blood guns( they have them, my friend saw one in Canada when he was a green beret) and you and your family will fall victim to one of the most obvious scams in history next to JFK.

  50. A little perspective here on privacy issues... by Honorbound · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Having used everything from 1km AVHRR data to 1m Ikonos data in my remote sensing Ph.D. research, I hope I can provide some illuminating info here. The privacy concerns voiced here are somewhat alarmist. There are several factors that make it difficult for users of Quickbird 2's 0.61-meter imagery to effectively spy on people:

    1. 0.61-meter data is simply not of sufficent spatial resolution to identify people. The best you can do is to say that there's a human-sized object in the image.

    2. The average revisit time of Quickbird 2 is 3.5 days (due to its 93 minute sun-synchronous orbit). So there's a window every 3.5 days where there's even the *possibility* of getting data from a particular location.

    3. Many parts of the world are cloud or haze (or smog) covered much of the time. Optical sensors are confounded by this. Now, if you use radar sensors you can see through the clouds, but the resolution of commercially available radar isn't as high as that offered by Quickbird 2 (~8m for Canada's RADARSAT).

    4. These data sets are IMMENSE. The area of interest has to be really important for someone to invest the money and time to develop the infrastructure (hardware and software) to process the huge quantities of data that can come from repeated collects.

    5. It's very expensive. Decent quality Ikonos 1m data costs $55 per sq. km. with a minimum purchase of 100 sq. km. Clearly, your average guy isn't going to be buying the stuff. Prices will fall as more sensors come online, but the data will be prohibitively expensive for quite a while.

    Now, all of that is obviated by the capabilities of the U.S. government; they likely have much higher resolution sensors (maybe even 5cm or so). But, there are much simpler ways of keeping track of people than using satellite imagery (phone taps, carnivore, video cameras, etc. come to mind).

    So, let's relax and celebrate the fact that scientists finally have high resolution tools with which to do some really cool research!

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  51. the quick and dirty of how these satellites work by supernova87a · · Score: 2, Informative

    As an astronomer, I've always been pretty impressed with these military/commercial imaging satellites because they basically use the technology we use to look up at the skies, but instead to look down at the earth.

    Here's a quick intro to the technology for those who aren't familiar.

    Basically, these companies (or the air force) send a 1-ton spacecraft up on a large rocket (made by Lockheed Martin generally) and put in in geosynchronous orbit around the earth. These orbits are something like 500 miles above the earth, which means that they orbit the earth once every 1.5 hours or so. (you can try the math if you like, F=ma, a=v^2/r, a=GM/r^2)

    They specifically put it into what's called a "sun-synchronous" orbit -- which means that its orbit takes it alternately over the light and dark side of the earth each half of the trip. And wherever the satellite passes over the earth (on the light side), it will be approximately 10:30 am. (if you have trouble visualizing this, draw a line in your mind from sun to earth, then align the plane created by the satellite's orbit vertically with this line.)

    So every orbit, the satellite traces out a wide swath of territory it can take pictures of (like peeling strips off a potato). These swaths are perhaps 10km wide, and can extend for 100s or 1000s of kilometers in length. Note that it can take pictures straight down if it wants, or it can aim to the side slightly. This is why satellite pictures may not look like they were taken from directly above, but rather from the side a little bit. Black and white images are standard, color will take longer of course.

    So it turns out that with these satellites, every place on the earth will eventually pass beneath the path during daylight, and will be able to be imaged. They will give you statistics such as "Revisit frequency is 50% of the earth within 24 hours, or 100% within 3 days, more if you don't require the satellite to be directly overhead". (This is used to plan observations, or to tell imaging clients how soon a target can be seen, which might be important for the military, for example).

    Pricing of the images is of course based on recovering the development and launch costs, so individual images will be pretty expensive. Custom tasks are even more expensive. But remember, the satellite is continuously taking images (it's not waiting for clients), and they store the data for future use.

    So far, the only kids of satellite imagery have been still-images, but many speculate that live video has been possible for several years now (like in "enemy of the state"). I'm quite sure the us military has this capability, but I myself have never heard a definitive response on this question... Hope you find this useful!

  52. Re:You don't think the gov. can do better than 61c by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    And now we have your IP address.

    You think those losers as /. could keep their server logs secure? They can't even keep out the skript-kiddies, much less the US government...

  53. A bit of a reality check by Minupla · · Score: 2

    1) Orbital satilites orbit (well, duh, otherwise they'd fall on your head!), and as such, they are unsuitable for stalking someone. Exception is Geosync orbit, see below)
    2) (civilian) imaging sats are in LEO for a couple of reasons, first, the closer you are to the earth, the better resolution you can get with the same imaging equiptment, just like the closer you are to your object with your camera, the bigger it appears, and you don't need a zoom lens. Since the amount you can get for a sat pict varies in relation to the amount of detail you can offer, commercial sat providers have a vested interest in LEO, secondly, a LEO sat allows the company to sell pictures of everywhere (eventually), and thus a better customer base then if it's constantly pointing at Washington DC.
    3) Retasking (altering a sat's orbit in order to aquire your image sooner is _expensive_. Due to atmospheric drag, meteor showers, etc, Sats shot up are equiped with manuvering thrusters to allow them to stay in orbit longer. Obviously the fuel has to be shot up there with the sat, and therefore each sat has a finite lifespan in direct relation to the amount of fuel the sat has. I would speculate that a commercial oranization (and indeed the govt too) organization would be loath to retask a sat and thus lower its lifespan.
    4) 65cm is a lot of space. Realize that each 65 cm space is a pixel. So your face would be less then a pixel. Pretty hard to ID you based on that.
    5) Looking through a sat is like looking through a drinking straw. Say you were looking for Bin Laden. Even assuming you were looking through a sat with arbitary resolution, you're only going to get a small swath of image. Say 10km across. If UBL is sitting at km 11, you'll never find him.

    So calm down a bit folks, it's not the End Of The World As We Know It. This product is useful for people like weather forcasters, famers, builders, desaster recovery folks, etc. People whose target is big, and not going anywhere in a hurry. Noone's gonna be reading your paper over your shoulder witht his sat. If they do, they'll see 2 white pixels for the newspaper, and one black one for your hair maybe, assuming you have black hair. I think they'll have to buy their own copy of the New York Times.

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  54. centipeder by austad · · Score: 2

    Wow, once we can get that res down to 1cm or less, CowboyNeal might be able to finally find his wee-wee.

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  55. Look for Area 51! by Muerte23 · · Score: 1
    over at mapquest you can click on "aerial view" of any US street map and see a ~1-2m resolution photo. of anywhere by street address!!! for free.

    so i decided to check out Groom Lake in nevada. and indeed you can see the groom lake AFB, runways, hangars and all. unfortunately, over this particular area they limit the resolution to 5-10m.

    but still pretty freakin cool. i want to know when the pictures are taken so i can make signs. or at least pose provocatively.

    muerte

  56. Re:the quick and dirty of how these satellites wor by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    put in in geosynchronous orbit around the earth. These orbits are something like 500 miles above the earth, which means that they orbit the earth once every 1.5 hours or so

    So not geosynchronous then.

    An astronomer? Right....whatever you say...

  57. How Much Longer... by istartedi · · Score: 2

    ...before some enterprising company ditches the satellites and offers drone shots with much higher resolution. The drone technology is nothing new. If the area is hostile, you can use tiny disposable drones

    From a technical standpoint, none of this is very exciting. The only real limitation is what your government will allow you to sell to the general public. In some cases, the government will do it for you with a camera on a regular old plane.

    Of course, the other issue is privacy...

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  58. maths lesson by Oily+Tuna · · Score: 1

    e to 6 decimal places is 2.718282

    pi is 3.141593

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  59. Re:the quick and dirty of how these satellites wor by Graymalkin · · Score: 2

    Uh how exactly do you propose getting live video from an orbiting satillite? In a sun sync orbit a sat would pass over everything far too quickly to even take a handful of concurrent frames of video let alone something with apparent motion you could call "video". There isn't much need to speculate about true video like from a hack movie.

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  60. Data rates . . . by Gis_Sat_Hack · · Score: 2, Informative

    Most of these satallites in polar orbits that precess with the sun line require three (3) days to return to the same position.
    Thus it would take three days to cover ALL the US, & so you'd only need 77.6 TB per 3/days NOT per second.
    Furthermore, there is probably a lo-res FOV of the order of about 1 pixel per 1 SqKm which is the FOV that covers the whole earth every 3 days.
    The hi-res 1 pixel per (61cm)squred FOV instrument more than likely has a keyhole FOV that can be targeted from the ground.

    The downlink data rate is prob about 4GB/hr and prob will continue for about 12 years (based on other similar sat's)

    Still, it's nice to the numbers. Western Australia is about 1TB uncompressed in R,G,B & Height.

  61. 61cm resolution?! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0



    61cm resolution? Daaamn!

    Does that mean we'll be able to see Miguel De Icaza's ego from orbit?

  62. HUGE privacy threat? less than from light aircraft by Gis_Sat_Hack · · Score: 2, Informative

    Working with both satllite & airborne imagery, I can assure you that:

    a) can get *much* better photo from plane
    b) can pick out crop types (eg: yr mates pot) with right kind of filters. & can do this with higher res from light aircraft.

    To this day, most airbourne photographic surveys are carried out with large format traditional wet photography. The negatives are then scanned at desired resolution. A high res negative taken from 1000m altitude can be magnified to remarkable degree, even more so if a zoom lens was used.
    Many urban surveys are flown at about 4000m.

  63. atmospherics by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Actually, atmospheric "noise" (turbulance, roiling, thermal variances) is going to limit the resolution possible. This is why the Hubble is in orbit. A good optics text will run you through the math; the short insightful summary is: you might be able to see the licence plate, but you won't be able to read it.

    1. Re:atmospherics by tomcrooze · · Score: 1

      So then why did everyone say the US could read license plates in Russia during the Cold War? Old wives tales?

    2. Re:atmospherics by Borogove · · Score: 1

      Do Russians stick their license plates on top of the cars in 61cm-high lettering?

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    3. Re:atmospherics by Lars+T. · · Score: 2

      Yes. Even if you had the resolution to read them (61cm = 24inch, that's (1/24)dpi, you'ld need at least 2dpi to read it), license plates can only be seen from close to horizontal views. So if you want to see LPs on a satellite image, you have to tilt it, and shoot from a much higher distance (meaning even more resolution needed), with a lot more atmosphere between (meaning much fuzzier image).

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  64. Re:You don't think the gov. can do better than 61c by Hektor_Troy · · Score: 1

    Well - if I have to put my money on either the US Government or Script-kiddies, my money's on the latter.

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  65. You should be alright by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Their copyright seems fair. If you attribute where you got the images from it seems you can mirror them.

    The wording is a little ambiguous, but I think you are supposed to email them and get permission first. Look at the bit in bold. That means YOU.

    Have a read:

    Credit: DigitalGlobe

    Copyright © DigitalGlobe. All rights reserved. Online and news media distribution or publishing requires permission from DigitalGlobe.

    Permission is granted to electronically publish, publish in hard copy and broadcast these satellite images if proper attribution to DigitalGlobe is provided.

    1. Re:You should be alright by GNU+Zealot · · Score: 1

      Online and news media distribution or publishing requires permission from DigitalGlobe.

      Permission is granted to electronically publish, publish in hard copy and broadcast these satellite images if proper attribution to DigitalGlobe is provided.


      The first line says I need permission, and the second line grants me the permission that I need.

    2. Re:You should be alright by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ...and where do you attribute the images to DigitalGlobe on your mirror?

    3. Re:You should be alright by GNU+Zealot · · Score: 1

      Quoted from http://guh.nu/temp/

      these_images_are_from_www.digitalglobe.com.html

      This text is also a link to www.digitalglobe.com as requested by their usage agreement.

  66. 61 cm by holdp · · Score: 1

    61 cm and not 60? Or did they mean 2ft. At least
    the morons did not say 60.96cm.

    1. Re:61 cm by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Do the math yourself from the sensor data on their site. It is 61 cm at nadir, worse off-nadir.

  67. Cool satellite images by Vess+V. · · Score: 2, Informative

    In case you don't know about it yet, you can type in your address in Mapquest, click on "Aerial photo," and see a pictue of your neighborhood in which it's quite easy to pick out your own house. Best of all, you can pan and zoom all you want and look at landmarks around where you live.

  68. Re:the quick and dirty of how these satellites wor by xX_sticky_Xx · · Score: 1

    In response to you and Greymalkin (above reply) it would seem that the astronomer does have it a bit wrong. Sun synchronous and geosynchronous (obviously) aren't the same thing. His description is of a sun synchronous orbit.

    A satellite in geosynchronous orbit can only be one distance from the earth, that of its circumference (22,500 miles at the equator). At this distance the satellite orbits once every 24 hours, thus staying in the same apparent position in the sky.

    With a geosynchronous orbit, it would be possible to get a steady video capture but the resolution would be measured in the kilometres, not centimetres.

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  69. Re:You don't think the gov. can do better than 61c by BWJones · · Score: 5, Informative

    Cars and trucks can be determined to make and model with about 20cm resolution (or less). Conventional optics physics tells us that the optimal resolution for even the best imagery from space is about 10cm typical. (possibly better if the platform is tasked to a lower altitude, but this is VERY expensive) Honestly there is no real advantage to going to higher resolutions from space. The issues being worked on concerning the folks that have the best technology (NRO, NIMA, CIA) are computer vision, (analaysts have to look at just about everything producing the real bottle neck in interpretation. Hell, I knew folks that specialized in runway lengths. They looked at images of runways all day, every day to determine lengths and capacities of runways), faster multi-spectral imaging, real-time visualization, better/faster tasking of platforms etc...etc...etc...

    My educated guess is that Israel would be purchasing their imaging commercially and from the French and US governments as they have no real remote sensing platforms dedicated to spying that I am aware of, so it is highly unlikely that you saw classified data given that it is relatively tightly controlled.

    As to mistakenly seeing classified imagry, the places I have been to would never allow mistakes like that to occur. Anybody visiting the facillity with less than collateral clearance would see red strobe lights on the ceilings everywhere reminding everyone that there are "visitors" present, computer screens would be blank or showing unclassified information, and accessible filing cabinets would be cleared. Even ones with locks on them. Visitors to the classified areas in these facillities (even congressional ones) are a major pain in the ass and a time consumer for those that work there and these visits are not well liked. Violations of protocol here will cost you your career, so most folks take things seriously.

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  70. WIll these images be banned? by KlausBreuer · · Score: 1

    I had an interesting thought while perusing these images: will there be a time in the near future where we won't be allowed to have these images?
    I mean, some reporter got threatened with a treason charge after photographing a nuclear power station - these photos would give me even more details.
    Look at the image of the washington monument - I could wasily make a highly accurate map and use it for Very Evil Purposes (tm).

    A good example of a state restricting citizen access to maps was the old DDR (GDR for you merkins). 'West' Berlin wasn't even on their maps, which also became progressively more inaccurate as you neared the borders.

    At the very least, my bet is that the state has an interest in who buys high-resolution satellite photos, and from what areas...

    (Gods, am I glad to live in Germany again :)

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    1. Re:WIll these images be banned? by Graymalkin · · Score: 2

      But by the same argument you can say USGS info or some Rand McNally map could be used for evil purposes. The problem (governments know this) with banning stuff is you only drive up the desire to have it by those who want it for something nefarious. If say some government said you couldn't have high res satillite photos the demand would skyrocket for them and people would get them anyways. Stuff being illegal doesn't mean it disappears. Of course this is theoretical. Somebody could come along and say Digital Globe and Space Imaging couldn't conduct business anymore and block them from rental time in control facilities. It would prevent you from getting an accurate picture of a building in a time period of 24 hours. You could just as easily get somebody with a GPS receiver and a camera to gather intel on something. Most bans on anything are politically motivated rather than truely safety motivated.

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    2. Re:WIll these images be banned? by Happy+Monkey · · Score: 2

      Look at the image of the washington monument - I could wasily make a highly accurate map and use it for Very Evil Purposes (tm).

      Homeless people sell maps that are just as accurate at the exit to the Smithsonian Metro stop.

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  71. Gallery viewer crashes on IE6 by CProgrammer98 · · Score: 1
    Anyone else having problems with the gallery viewer? IE6 politely informs me that a serious error has occured, for which they are very sorry, and would I like to send an "error report" to Microsoft?

    yeah, right, sure. Like MS are gonna fix it!

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  72. Oversampled? by MJArrison · · Score: 1

    I'm not so sure these images are actually 61cm resolution. They look a lot like what happens when you over sample a lower resolution image, lots of fuzzy large pixels. Any way to tell for sure?

    1. Re:Oversampled? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yep. Look at the original data. They are, by definition of the sensor, .61 at nadir.

      The images posted are not all displayed at full resolution, and some are converted to .jpg.

  73. Formerly Known As... by Manuka · · Score: 2

    Earthwatch - and they're just up the road about 20 miles from Space Imaging. Glad to see they finally got a satellite up and working - they've been trying for years and have suffered launch failures and orbital failures.

  74. KH-11 achieved 30 cm in 1977 by MtViewGuy · · Score: 3, Informative

    thumbtack,

    If you remember, someone leaked a photo of a KH-11 digital photoscan of a Soviet shipyard on the Black Sea back in 1977 with an amazing resolution of 30 cm or so. You can tell it's about that resolution because on that picture of the then-uncompleted Soviet aircraft carrier you could very clearly make out details of construction cranes next to the ship; the Ikonos and Global Imaging satellites would not resolve the construction cranes so clearly.

    I'm sure with the latest sensor technology the latest recon satellites from the USA are capable of resolving down to 10 cm or less in real time.

  75. instead of SETI we can call it OBILWAN by freaker_TuC · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    (O)sama (BI)n (L)aden (WAN)ted.

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  76. My picture frame is only 60cm. by Bigger+R · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    Bummer.

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    1. Re:My picture frame is only 60cm. by Bigger+R · · Score: 1

      Moderator - Offtopic?
      The weak joke was on topic, no?

      Maybe we need a Marginally Funny category?

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  77. Janes: Improved Crystal w/ sub-10cm res in 1990 by jwachter · · Score: 1
    According to an article published by Jane's Space Directory, published by the highly-respected Jane's defense consultancy.

    The first Improved Crystal was launched in 1990, followed by successors in February 1992, December 1995 and December 1996. Each Improved Crystal costs in excess of US$1 billion with a further US$400 million spent on launch costs.

    Technical capabilities allow Improved Crystal to resolve square or circular objects as small as 10cm but linear structures of 5-8cm can also be detected. With this resolution the visible optical spectrum can differentiate uniformed people from civilian personnel and determine the size and carrying capacity of small vehicles or two-wheeled motorised equipment. Infra-red imaging allows camouflage and vegetation to be identified as well as natural surface flora modified by the presence of groups of several people.

    1. Re:Janes: Improved Crystal w/ sub-10cm res in 1990 by jwachter · · Score: 1

      And, of course, the link to the article is here.

  78. Re:You don't think the gov. can do better than 61c by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0



    I heard they could read the time off of a wrist watch if they wanted to. Probably just something someone made up because we'd be talking 1mm resolution, and with the atmospheric effects and all.. But still, it makes you wonder.

  79. meaningful digits by avandesande · · Score: 1

    Com'on 61 cm? Marketing idiots!

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  80. QuickBird and IKONOS resolution by MPolis · · Score: 2, Informative

    Space Imaging's best offering is a 1m panchromatic resolution image QuickBird's resolution is 61cm at nadir (pointing straight down), but 72cm when pointing 25 degrees cross-track. IKONOS' resolution is 81-100cm (nadir - 26 degrees cross-track). So the resolution difference isn't as large as it appears at first. The reason to point cross-track is to get the revisit time down from 3-4 days to 1-1.5 days. SpaceImaging only sells 1m processed imagery (rather than 0.82-1m raw imagery) because they believe that's where the market is: they don't want other companies to buy raw imagery and undercut their processed imagery prices. DigitalGlobe obviously has a different business model. If selling raw imagery works for them, SpaceImaging may do the same.

  81. Re:You don't think the gov. can do better than 61c by HiThere · · Score: 2

    Perhaps they do it with radio rather than light. I don't know the chips in my watch, and some of them even boast of computer connections. So perhaps they can read the time off of "some watches".

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  82. hot or not by ehiris · · Score: 1

    This is so cool.

    I want a picture of myself from satellite to post it on hot or not.

  83. Business is great... by voiceofthewhirlwind · · Score: 1

    All they have to do to make some quick money is take a lot of potentially embarassing pictures of dead civilians in Afghanistan, and then the Pentagon will buy the exclusive rights at the taxpayer's expens! (FOIA, anyone?)

    1. Re:Business is great... by Drake42 · · Score: 1

      FOIA doesn't mean that you need up to the minute pictures of dead afgans. Who can say from space who is a civilian and who is not? How will you tell from space who killed those people? Us, them, themselves? Hard to tell from space.

      However, it is fairly easy to see troop movements. Do you want bin Laden to be able to buy American satelite images and then use them to kill americans? We are at war. If you don't agree with the war, fine. But don't be stupid.

      And for all of you whining about civil liberties being eroded forever, what were civil liberties like during WWII? And yet somehow when the threat passed the liberties slowly returned. I swear that most politicians (liberal AND conservative) are just desperate for super-villians so that they can yell and scream to rally people around them. They don't care who the villian is, just so long as they can use the villians presence to make themselves powerful.

  84. Overrated by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "e" is "2.718281..." not "2.718282..."

    1. Re:Overrated by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      e is 2.71828182845904523536028747135...

      to 6 decimal places this is 2.718282

  85. $103,000.00 by ElDuque · · Score: 1

    That's the price I see on the site for the 256 CD collection of the continental US.

    How long do you think before I can get it from Morpheus?

    1. Re:$103,000.00 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ...but that's LandSat data. 15 meters at best.

  86. Why 61 cm? by Bob+Uhl · · Score: 2
    Why'd you say 61 cm? Why not say 2 feet? According to units, 61 cm = 24.02 ft. Given that two feet is a nice round measurement, and that 61 centimetres is not, I hazard a guess that the resolution is, in fact, the former.

    Metric units suck. Especially when they're inappropriate.

  87. pricing by joee · · Score: 1

    Anybody know how much these images cost and what their pricing model is? I was unable to find this information on the DigitalGlobe web site.

  88. GAAHHHH!!!! by Mike+Van+Pelt · · Score: 2

    To use their image browser, you must download some silly plugin which only exists for Mac and Windoze.

    What a crock. Why do companies do this?

    1. Re:GAAHHHH!!!! by 8aspe4 · · Score: 1

      check out imagenet.com you can view images collected from the eros A1 satellite w/o having to download any software. you can even task the satellite for as little as 200 bucks! at 1.8 meter resolution (panchromatic)that's not bad at all!

  89. As from... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ...how good is the military satellites, I have no real knowledge of this. But I heard that the same contractors who built the Hubble Space Telescope built the current generation of U.S. military eyes-in-the-sky, so I would assume that it is as good or better than the Hubble. And yes, I know the Hubble cannot image the Earth but I'm sure that there is a version that can filter the light to a usable level. I imagine that it can see very well even on the dark side using IR. Probably count the change in my back pocket on a dark night. From geosynch orbit, 24x7. Hell, they may even have a gigawatt laser attached.