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Slashdot Code Update
You will likely notice a variety of changes in the comments system if you
are logged in.
Most of these changes surround the new 'Zoo' system which implements (among
other things) a sort of killfile function, and much more. Logged in
users have the ability to flag each other as Friends or Foes, and
assign bonuses and penalties appropriately. So if a user annoys you,
you can easily not read their comments any more. If you notice any
bugs, feel free to submit them or let krow or me know.
New code. Coolness. Now where's that remove-double-posts feature? =)
Look out Usenet, here we come!
My Greasemonkey scripts for Digg &
Alrighty, now will all of the trolls please post something on this story (non-anonymously) so that we can all mark you as foes?
Thanks.
-AC.
In English : "Better is Good's foe".
:
See that grey pearl besides your comment's details ?
click on it
Slashdot Friend/Foe System
So how do you perceive Cmdr Taco ?
So how do you perceive cyborg_monkey ?
So how do you perceive Klerck ?
So how do you perceive Jon Katz ?
...
Friend
Neutral
Foe
Note: Who you like and dislike is not private; it can and will be used against you.
Do you mean I may get sacked if I happen to feel some sympathy for some of the trolls ?
I believe this is a little dangerous unless we have the guarantee that you are trustworthy enough to use this.
Until then, well... Everybody is my friend.
Trolling using another account since 2005.
+2 comment bonus. Karma: 25
Capping out the system. Karma: 50
Jon Katz, Foe, -5. Priceless
I wonder if I can killfile Timothy... this way I won't get duplicate articles anymore! :)
And that's the first bug with this system, I think. People will be able to make links to Slashdot that appear visually to be links to other stories or something innocent, but instead these links might actually mass-blacklist a victim if a lot of Slashdotters are fooled into clicking the links. I think these links should be flagged or not allowed in the body of messages.
My Greasemonkey scripts for Digg &
Want to know someone's friends or foes? Do the following:
1) Make them your friend
2) Click on the words 'friends' across from them
One can easily browse who's friend is whose.
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You've done an outstanding job of making it difficult, if not impossible for the people who are running slashdot "light" to mark a person a friend or foe. Could we have a bit more description of these features please? :)
why must there be a pustule popping out of every comment. grey puss, green puss, red puss. Can we turn it off entirely?
Maybe it's just me, but this really seems to go against the basic idea of a forum like /.
To me this sort of environment is supposed to be a sea of conflicting viewpoints and brash arguments. Trolls tend to already be taken care of to an extent by the current moderation abilities, and to an extent flamewars tend to fall below filter level.
But with the ability to assign "Friend or Foe" you essentially gain the ability to make the No-Mans-Land of the comments into an area that only reflects your own views and opinions. Granted it might take a while, and will very likely never completely kill dissenting opinion, but a pretty self-supporting environment can still be made.
The closest analogy I can think of would be a hardcore conservative listening to 24 hours of Rush Limbaugh (Not sure who would be a good example for a Liberal stance, so I won't list them. ). Sure they can do it, but in doing so they cut themselves off from the other viewpoints and opinions that might provoke some thought in what they believe in.
'Life is like a spoonful of Drain-O, it feels good on the way down but leaves you feeling hollow inside'
Slashdot editors announced today the addition of new, ground-breaking features to their SlashCode system, which is the heart of their article and comment system.
Among the changes are new features such as:
Not really, since you have to validate your choice after that by clicking on the "yup, I'm sure button".
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I didn't want to leave this space blank.
That's why it asks you "are you sure you want to do this?" You have to click twice. And formkeys prevent trolls from forcing you into "one-click shopping."
After years of playing games with my Karma (intentionally tolling a few days just to see how many points I could lose and how long it would take to get them back, etc.), I have finally been growing tired of posting to Slashdot...
...and along comes zoos and fan clubs to play with! Woot! My productivity at work has officially flatlined as of now!
"Your superior intellect is no match for our puny weapons!"
I understand the intent of this feature, but really see no need for it with the ability of a user to post anonymous. Of course anonymous posting should stick around imo. But let's say for instance I hate mwmseeksbillgates and add him to my ban list. What stops mwmseeksbillgates from posting as an anonymous user? With mwmseeksbillgates on my ban list, I will continue to view messages from him (maybe he'll use the same signature or post the same type of messages I'll despise... though mwmseeksbillgates is not listed as the user who posted the message; the satanic content remains).
I don't see the point of this new feature --- too many loopholes exist.
"There ought to be limits to freedom"
I use the bare bones text version of slashdot, and I haven't noticed any kind of flagging system...then again, it could just be that i'm blind.
Seems to me that it's just if you specify someone as a friend, the person;'s posts become boosted by some number of points. Set the person as a foe, it removes points.
Doesn't seem to be much more to it.
XML is like violence. If it doesn't solve the problem, use more.
Nah... all you have to do is change op=addcheck to op=do in the query string.
"Freedom in cyberspace'd be fine and dandy if we happened to live there."
Great, just the feature I've been looking here for a long time. Just because Funny != funny.
//SaVa
I set all my friends to neutral, and /. told me:
You are alone in the world.
I thought I was amoungst my own here!
I thought I was accepted!
Loved even!
Will no one be my friend?
I do believe that the actual intention for this is that you will tend to like certain people's comments more than others'. This way if you like something that you read, you can mark it good. And next time they have a comment in a thread you are reading, you will notice it and read it (meaning you will also spend more time here...hehe, as if you don't do that already). Also, this will help you ignore all those goat posts, grin. It basically will show everything, I assume, with a +1, -1 (or more if you can vote someone friend more than once?).
I like the idea, but I don't really understand how this is not kept private. Because me making all the "FP'ers" foe's will come back to haunt me? My opinion is made public when I make a comment, not when I read another's. I don't understand why that is so just yet, but I'm sure there is some reason for it.
"Time is long and life is short, so begin to live while you still can." -EV
Come on... You know you want to let us kill all the AC's out there at the click of a button. =)
-Jayde
What's a sig?
I have a question that I couldn't find in the FAQ - I hope this is an okay place to ask:
When/how do you get moderator points? I've been on slashdot for months, my karma is currently 48, but I've never been able to moderate. The "willing to moderate" button is checked in my preferences.
Can someone please enlighten me as to how this works? I feel kinda dumb for asking this - if someone can point me to the docs I missed, I'd appreciate it.
If I remember correctly, the UID# for AC is 666. I tried to set the friend/foe for AC. The result? A message stating that that isn't an option. Obviously coded for that specific effect. But I happen to agree with the premise.
Is this the same code that runs Slashdot?
Yes. Slashdot and Slashcode are usually running the latest development code from CVS, within a week or so.
If this is business as usual then we can expect to see a new release file announced at slashcode within a week or so. So the obvious question is, "Is this business as usual?"
Seastead this.
after playing with the reason modifer for a couple minutes, I noticed this bug (yes I already sent out an email):
I altered the "reason modifier" in my user preferences such that Funny comments got rated -1. The modifer is being applied correctly to "Funny" comments, but the comments are not being sorted correctly. That is, a +4 Funny shows up above a +5 Interesting. It seems to me the comments are being sorted and *then* the modifier is being applied, but I would think it should be done the other way around.
My comment viewing settings are:
Threshold = 2, nested, and highest score first.
Slash is starting to turn into a game of d&d. Before you know it I'll have a 'character alignment' based on how people percieve me.
Forget this web-board with limited filtering business, I want a Slashdot-to-Usenet gateway. Just think, all you'd have to do is point your favourite news reader (i.e. tin) at nntp.slashdot.org and post away. The bandwidth savings over this heavyweight html+graphics crap would alone be worth it, while the ability to choose your own client program with its own interface and filtering rules would be even better.
The scary thing is that this could probably be done in a reasonable way. Articles could map to newsgroups on the server (with new ones appearing daily and old ones disappearing). Since comments are threaded anyways, this should transfer across directly. And as long as the slashdot username and password are required for accessing the NNTP server, there shouldn't be any real problems with unauthorized usage by spammers and such.
Oh well. Too bad most of the crowd here is too young to remember what usenet even is...
It's only software!
that you can use the slashdot effect against a single user by posting one of those enemification links.
After all, there are enough users here that a dozen or two will end up making enemies after ignoring the slashcode warnings. I don't know about you, but having a single enemy could hurt my reputation and karma.
"Wireless : LAN
...and you STILL can't say "show me only messages I haven't already read".
YEssirree, kids, we're still DECADES behind Usenet.
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I noticed
It's getting about time to leave everywhere
People without a login will come here and see his MSFUD comments at '0', with no opposing comments, and assume that they might therefore have some validity? god help us..!
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So if I see a comment posted by someone and I think to myself "Asshole!" Then I click on the *gumdrop* in the header of the message to mark him forever as such?
Why a gum drop? Or is it a robot nipple? Whatever it is, it looks lickable. Its not blue, like Apple's Aqua interface, but it does look like the platinum "theme" in Mac OS X.
Perhaps we can find a more meaningful button? Maybe a text link would work well.
Know what I like about atheists? I've yet to meet one that believes God is on their side.
Can I set Anon Cowards to foe?? :-)
Most of us here on
I find it downright ludicrous that to date, Slashdot has NO SECURE LOGIN.
[if you have one, then it's too well-hidden].
Make no mistake - I do not want my login password sent as cleartext.
It makes life too miserable.
For those with no HTTPS support, an unsecured login option should be provided,
but the secure one should be the default [or prominently displayed].
Much of Slashdot's pages teems with TABLE tags and other assorted formatting crap.
This drastically increases download and rendering times, and our ISP is only too happy
to charge us for it [money saved == more pr0n!].
Most users' browsers do not need this backward-compatibility kludge anymore,
as they use IE [what fools these mortals be!], Mozilla, Konqueror, Opera or NS6.x.
Use browser sniffing, then send pure, strict XHTML + CSS for formatting,
thus encouraging the luddites to switch to Mozilla!
[Good part is, the pages will still render well on text browsers like Lynx, Links etc.
Or they could be served the TABLE'd pages that NS 4.x & < should be served.]
That's all for now, folks. Any more suggestions? Feel free to tack them on.
set thread_growable TRUE
Use ISO 8601 dates [YYYY-MM-DD]
If this feature takes off, I'd like to see a "distributed affinity" system implemented, similar to Google's PageRank system. If I call a particular poster a friend, then anyone whom they call a friend gets an X% boost in my ranking, anyone they call a friend gets an X/100 boost, and so on.
That way, after I've picked a certain number of people (100/X, actually) as friends, and they all like another poster I've never noticed before, he'll automagically have the same status with me that they all do.
Foe rankings would work the same way, but is the foe of my friend necessarily my foe, and is the foe of my foe necessarily my friend? Automatically assigning points based on those assumptions would probably not be useful.
What you should do now is to let people's friend/foe lists build up for a while; once they've gotten complex enough, make a digraph of the friend/foe relationships, and sell posters.
It probably would look cooler than those internet map posters I see Thinkgeek advertise from time to time - plus there would be the added fun of trying to find your node in the graph!
Hey, this is neat, and may prove useful. For the moment, however, I'd like to turn off the gumdrops, no matter how cute they are.
Maybe an option somewhere in my Comments Preferences should let me turn off the friend / foe system, just like that OSDN Navbar.
Michael C. Hollinger
One can respect a foe, and look forward to reading his or her messages.
The people I want to score down are the Fools and the Trolls, whom I don't want to honor with the label "Foe".
Well in the moderation system some things are to be improved:
-Seperate setting for doing moderations. I'd like my treshold lower when moderating to scan for AC gems. (or to search for trolls that are not trolls, but are meant funny)
-Some (don't know how) system to mod up late good posters. The problem with the current system is early on topic posters get modded up, but a 4 hour late gem has a very slim change to be modded up.
-Some filters for capitals in subject "RIGHT NOW" 8-)
Note: Who you like and dislike is not private; it can and will be used against you.
Sheesh! It's amazing what too much of IANAL stuff can do to you
I'd like to vote/moderate the stories that have been posted. There are a number of times I've wanted to mark a story as a troll.
In any case, probably the most useful moderation adjustment I've made is to attach a -6 rating to redundant. If it is redundant, then chances are that I don't want to read the repeats.
I came up with these a while back...
- Possible meta-moderation of rejected stories. Let a certain amount of users (controlled in the same fashion as moderators) decide if a certain story is worthy of a second look. If it gets accepted and rejected for a second time, it will not get meta-moderated again.
- Let those who end up getting their story rejected moved to their journal if they're a registered user. Make that an option in their preferences or in the submit story submission page.
- Allow users to ignore posts made by Anonymous Cowards. In some cases, these people are just idiotic trolls who just waste time posting their crap here, but there are the odd times that the Anon. Coward is actually posting something useful or something not moronic. If that coward gets moderated up, then that ignore feature can be defeated.
That is all I got to say.which makes each /. article appear as a newsgroup, with the comments being the messages in the group.
/. changes format.
Unfortunately, one has to run the CVS version of Gnus for this to work, since it does it by parsing the html, and need to be updated each time
It could be part of the "added value" you get, if you pay for a /. subscription.
I decided to check the listing for Jon Katz. /. for movie reviews, so I'm not particularly familiar with him myself, but it's hard to miss all the comments maligning him all over the place.
I don't read
As of the moment he has 6 fans (people how list him as a friend) and 10 PAGES (at 1024x768) of freaks (people who list him as a foe).
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- - You can't take something off the Internet! That's like trying to take pee out of a swimming pool.
Do you see a little circle icon beside people's user#?, click on that and it will allow you to set the stuff.
You must be logged it to do that of course.
kawai
Oops, I just noticed that the blackened piece of umbilical cord that used to be attached to my belly button is gone, too! These bugs are more widespread than I thought!
That's my way of saying that I spoke too quickly about the submission history 'bug.' Apparently, Slash is wired to make those listings go away after a fortnight. Duh.
Sorry for crying [beo]wulf.
Slash is starting to turn into a game of d&d. Before you know it I'll have a 'character alignment' based on how people percieve me.
Yeehaw! Can I be a Chaotic Stupid Half-Troll?
To those of you who are unaware, you can go to your config page (http://slashdot.org/~username), go into "Homepage" and select "light" to get a version of slashdot that's light on tables, images and such. Anyway, I don't see anything on the light pages analogous to the little icon the "heavy" pages are getting.
It would be good if you had a page where you could see who had put YOU on THEIR friends/foes list.
What good is a friend/foe if you dont know they are out there?
Keep your friends close, and your enemies closer, thats what I say.
"So there he is, risen from the dead. Like that fella, E. T." - Father Ted Crilly
How about an update to Slash which means we don't have the entire front page being in italics every week? Even diary scripts can automatically close tags now, why not this amazing system? Easy feature to add...
mogorific carpentry experiments
President George W. Bush Marks Osama bin Laden as Foe, bin Laden Suddenly Disappears
WASHINGTON, DC -- Today, President George W. Bush, taking a cue from the New and Improved (C)(TM)(R) Slashcode at slashdot.org, promptly identified Osama bin Laden as a personal "Foe" (despite warnings that his decision to do so "can and will be used against him"), a rating that carries with it an invincible -6 moderation. Osama bin Laden then proceeded to immediately disappear off the face of the Earth, never to be heard from again.
Want Linux games? HERE.
I don't like that - user, he always posts things and I have to meta-moderate him :oP
He will be my #1 foe.
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I know life isn't fair, but why can't it ever be un-fair in MY favor!?
I'd like an option to post at any lower score. The option to decline my +1 bonus is useful, but occasionally being able to post at zero (without having to go Anonymous) or even -1 could be handy.
:)
Why? Five minutes ago I responded to an AC at score zero. I felt it required a rebuttal, but I didn't feel my response should waste the time of anyone who never saw the post I was responding to. I really didn't want to post anonymously, but it was the only way to get my score to zero. There is no way to post at -1 (if you want to respond to a -1 scored comment).
Choosing to post at a lower score is a form of courtesy to other readers.
Oh yeah, and how bad would the server load be for a spellcheck option in the comment preview?
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- - You can't take something off the Internet! That's like trying to take pee out of a swimming pool.
So, the obvious question is if an affinity system is a good thing or not.
.. posts one doesn't like) could be accommodated without removing posts. The upside to this is that's allowed the discussions to scale, attracting more readers and posters without becoming a total mess. (and a crapflooder banner hit is the same income as any other banner hit)
Slashdot's moderation and filtering system ended up having the side-effect of encouraging different "zoos" within it's readerbase, because unlike other webboard software, 'trolling' (however you define it
An affinity system would really take this to the next level. By using it, you can read exactly the slashdot that you want to read, and the crapflooders can read exactly the slashdot they want to read without some informative posts emerging above their thresholds. Combined with multiple account tracking and central trusted/untrusted user lists (for example, the editor's friends and foes), and you have a very sophisticated automated system of filtering. This could really improve discussion quality, and allow slashdot to scale even a larger user base.
But it also magnifies the big problem with the moderation system, where groupthink and being agreeable tends to score you points. Now, much like a politician smiling and shaking hands while delivering his message, your posts now will gain you "friends" (or enemies). Fine. But, an affinity system would allow "parties" to form along particular political lines, where people could be reading only what's agreeable to them - "Java Programmers", "Sysadmins", "Linux Advocates" (who would have a collective set of "MS astroturfer" foes), and so on.
Unlike your usual google search, there isn't a right answer to the question of "Is this the post I wanted to read?" (or there shouldn't be, at least). If one goes through the effort of making a post disagreeing with a point, you do so in the hope that people will read it and understand your point. That becomes pointless if there's a high likelihood that they've tuned you out due to your affiliations. (For the same reason that pure flamebait is pointless under the current system -- most people don't read below a certain score.)
I guess to sum up, there's a big difference between ranking posts by content versus who's saying it.
Business. Numbers. Money. People. Computer World.
The Slashdot editors post their biased comments on the front page, in the articles...
Outdoor digital photography, mostly in New Engl
Considering how this is much like censorship by countries and religions
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of the internet in that it can only helps to inspire defining different
camps.
Slashdot provides no easy way for the slashdot users (even thru Google)
to do a search for all comments by any one slashdot user. This of course
helps to prevent the slashdot users from getting a better view of anyone
slashdot user.
Now they are providing a way to killfile people or build walls between the
different camps.
Of course from all of this there is information being generated that the
slashdot users do not see or have access to.
There is also the difference between the active life time of a slashdot
article comment posting, and the unlimited lifetime of date time stamped
usenet archive postings. Recently some have pulled out message from long
ago and started responding to them, for fun and 20/20 hindsight.
Overall slashdot is applying more an more inherent constraints to what
value can be gotten by the users of slashdot.
Lawrence Lessig recently responded to Slashdot questions and many noted he
was somewhat hard on the slashdot users. This bothered me, as I know the
effort and time the slashdot users put into many of the responses is
actually "doing something" (as opposed to what Lawrence was claiming) of
productive value. The problem is the lask of there being a way for the
users to do review the thoughts and writtings of any one poster, so as to
get a better idea about them and their point of views, perhaps in the
bigger picture, see solutions they present. Only the ability to see the
bigger picture of them is not possible.
Now we have a friend, neutral, foe system on top of a moderating system
that has been written about regarding the positive value of how it works.
The Conference on Public Domain paper - "Coase's Penguin, or, Linux and te
Nature of the Firm"
What happened to the "if it's not broke, don't fix it?" practice or the
absense of walls in Open Source Software mindsets.
What slashdot should be doing instead, is making it easier for the
community of users to extract value in the way of being able to see bigger
picture perspectives, not narrower ones. Remove walls and barriers by
providing better public search engines of the slashdot archives. This way
it can help to develope the OSS directions.
But that's not what this is about, is it?
Friends of JonKatz
JonKatz is all alone in the world.
I've just noticed a bug in light mode -- when you only have 'old messages' the link around that message (on the index page) extends to the next line (left off an ? ) This doesn't occur when you have both new and old messages.
:)
Only cosmetic, but I thought I'd mention it anyway.
deus does not exist but if he does
Seems that whenever someone picks you as a "Friend", you go on to his "Fans" list. It would be kinda cool if there were a way to know who has the biggest Fans list. Right now, a certain cleverly named person already has over a dozen.
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"Open source is good." - Steve Jobs
"Open source is evil." - Microsoft
i.e.
Interesting: +1
Funny: 0
Troll: -2
etc....
LOTP and OMS are a bit more questionable. People who only talks about a single issue tend are mostly kooks, and otherwise I usually agree or disagree with them depending on the issue. Also, it doesn't count for the people who posts facts rather than opinions.
Maybe starting from the moderation labels one would use as a generic description of the persons comments:
Troll (Troll)
Flamer (Flamebait[1])
Bore (Redundant)
Sage (Insightfull)
Docent (Informative)
Speaker (Interesting)
Ccomedian (Funny)
[1] I assume Taco means to write "Flame". Flamebait is the same as Troll.
I can't seem to make him my friend. Much like the unknown comic from the Gong Show whom I thought was a nice guy, you can't really get to know him until they take the bag off their head.
...to tell the database "The next time I return to this page, I don't want to see this comment, and I don't want to see the comments that reply to it."
send all spam to theotherwhitemeat@ropine.com
It occurs to me that this new feature could potential lead to the desire for two others.
First, if we can individually mark someone as
a foe then the next trend might be to create a
list of individuals that the community regards
as foes. The individuals could then choose to
subscribe to this list if they feel they have
common ground with the list maintainers. Thus
community blacklisting would arrive on the
internet (anyone intersted in copyrighting this?).
Of course today anyone who has a desire to attack
and defame the thoughts of others is going to post
as an Anonymous Coward. Thus the second desire could be to make everyone accountable for their
posts. This would, of course, require a "Forced
Login" feature.
I personally doubt that there are many members of
this online community that would sanction features
like these. Trends, however, start out as seemingly innocuous and small changes that over
time turn into something that is bigger and larger
than their meager beginnnings.
The question then would be: Are we heading down a path that diverges from the original intent of
a collaborative forum where there can be a free
exchange of ideas unencumbered by that hideous
beast called "censorship"?
If this feature takes off, I'd like to see a "distributed affinity" system implemented, similar to Google's PageRank system [google.com]. If I call a particular poster a friend, then anyone whom they call a friend gets an X% boost in my ranking, anyone they call a friend gets an X©/100 boost, and so on.
What you're saying is that you'd ilke to use Advogato. The term that you're looking for is a "distributed trust metric."
-Waldo Jaquith
I'm just wondering... does the system disable itself when we get moderation points, so we can do our jobs looking at the entire available pool of posts, or does it continue to block out people we don't like?
My first thought, when seeing this new ability, was of course to add Anonymous Coward as a foe. But that's silly - just because some people troll is no reason to deny myself the ability to read some possibly insightful comments by others who can't or won't log in. If any named user is consistently trolling, he ought to simply be banned.
Now I'm thinking - okay, so marking people down is pointless, but marking them up can be quite useful, especially if we can start sorting article comments so high-rated friends go first... in essence, this is pretty much the exact same approach that I take when I moderate. I don't waste points downvoting, I use my votes to call attention to the good stuff. And so I shall do, with the friend system - if I like comments by people consistently, I want to be told when they have new stuff they've written.
Get off my launchpad!
If you had a few more degrees of friend or foe then and karma was applied accordingly then it starts to look more like the advogato trust metric which works pretty well.
Aaaah, the best new feature of Slashdot is not having to read opposing arguments, so I can live in my own little world, untouched by reality. Forget the truth, I only want to hear my own opinions, and believe that every one else has the exact same opinion as me. That's what being an American is about, especially in these TRYING TIMES.
Friends and Foes are NICE, but we can be just like Survivor if we try a bit harder, making alliances, breaking your enemies, backstabbing the other posters. We can make Slash into a real interactive game!
Couple of points. I want to be able to set my threshold at -1 or lower to read, I don't want to waste my time with anything 0 or greater. I come here to read the trolls, as do many others.
When posting, I want to flag my post as "for" or "against" the topic, so I can only read the arguments which support my own views. Yup, I wanna live in ignorance. Ignorance is bliss, and I want bliss.
I also wanna be able to mod others as "The Weakest Link", but there's probably some trademark stuff on the term, so "Flaming Goddam Moron" will do.
Thanks a bundle.
Your pal,
Adolf Hitler
Where are the release notes? How do I learn all the details?
~ now you know
Rob,
/. users clamor for this? What prompted this latest change?
Did lots of
I really think this will eventually make the forum an exclusive clique, even more than it is now with the karma system.
Keep track of, list on the user page, and possibly use as the default rating of a user's posts, the "average rating per post".
:)
IE, if user FOO has made 100 posts, and the average rating of those posts is +3, then display it on ~FOO and let FOO post at +3, if he chooses.
This doesn't (at first blush) seem to be vulnerable to abuse, and it seems like it would self-manage trolls (who I assume would have an average of -1)
Oh, and a spellcheque facility would be nice
DG
Want to learn about race cars? Read my Book
Great, so now I have a way to explicitly set my friends and foes. Unfortunately, initializing a reasonable database of friends and foes to prioritize the posts that I read is a ton of work.
What I'd like to see is the sharing of information. For example, if I mark FunkyChicken as a friend, I wouldn't mind if those one his friends and foes lists factored into my own. Naturally, I'd want a finer grain of control than to just assume that all of FunkyChicken's friends are my friends.
Why are you letting these clowns ruin our country?
>Note: Who you like and dislike is not private; it
>can and will be used against you.
That's nuttin'. Used against you by a snivelling 14 year old? Big deal.
Slashdot Friend/Foe system is insignifcant compared to an F-14's Interrogate Friend/Foe system. Now *that's* one you don't want used against you.
hawk
(If this is already a feature then, well, disregard this notice and thank you for your payment.)
-- @rjamestaylor on Ello
Being able to flag users as "friend" or "foe" is a great intermediate step toward the kind of collaborative filtering-based moderation system that I imagine for Slashdot.
Imagine the following:
Slashdot 'notices' that a bunch of other users who share a lot of 'friends' with you have modded up a posting by someone who is not on your 'friends' list. Slashdot notifies you of the posting, you read it, submit a comment, and add the user to your 'friends' list. You have thus discovered a worthwhile posting that you may have missed had you been filtering out low-scoring comments.
If Slashdot created a true collaborative filtering-based moderation system, then moderation as we know it would cease to exist, and in its place hundreds of closely intertwined 'communities' of like-minded readers would emerge, and the quality of discussion on slashdot (as perceived by its readers) would grow enormously.
To satisfy new readers or those who had not taken the time to express their preferences, comments could be 'scored' according to aggregate moderation across communities. The key of CF would be that everyone would be a moderator all of the time, and everyone's moderations would effect whose comments they themselves saw in the future.
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The feature should automatically be disabled when in moderator mode.
As copyright owner of this comment, I authorize everyone to defeat any technological measure which limits access to it.
It would be nice if a title-tag was also included so you can see what the pearl does when you mouse over it.
What are you talking about? That's what the ALT tag is for.
-- iCEBaLM
You are partially correct about the effect of such as system on the "groupthink problem". Users who always modded down (or +foe'ed) everyone whose ideas they disagreed with would surely get a slashdot consisting of only comments that they agreed with, but users who modded comments according to how well they contributed to the discussion would be richly rewarded: their slashdot woudl be a place of informative discussions and insightful comments.
If you are curious about CF, check out movielens (link above).
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For user agents that cannot display images, forms, or applets, this attribute specifies alternate text.
Where as the TITLE attribute is for:
This attribute offers advisory information about the element for which it is set.
Not that I can blame you for thinking otherwise, as most of the web is filled with horrible examples of HTML being abused.
The above was from http://www.w3.org/TR/html4/struct/objects.html#h-1 3.2
The Doctor What (KF6VNC)
The ALT tag happens to do that in browsers like Netscape and MSIE. According to the HTML standards, the ALT tag should ONLY be used when a browser doesn't show the image; ALT means ALTERNATIVE. For the tooltip kind of behavior, TITLE should be used. Mozilla does this very well. I am not aware of how it is implemented in other browsers, but this is how it should be. I am very well aware that the alt-tag is usually used for this, but in a world where browsers are becoming more and more standards-compliant, I think it is important to follow these standards, even if it happens to work in another way too. Otherwise we'll never have a standards compliant Internet and will always have to come up with different code for different browsers which is the single most major PITA for all web developers around.
0x or or snor perron?!
If I've listened to the same tired, lame arguement, I'd appreciate the opportunity to make him foe. However, if I haven't decided yet, then I'd like to mark him as a potential foe. This way, if he continues to abuse my patience and good will, I can choose to make him as foe.
On the other hand, if someone continually says something that I agree with, I'd also mark him as foe, not because I dislike him or agree with him. It would be because it's no use wasting my time reading something I already believe in. If you already believe in what the pastor preaches, do you really have to listen to it Sunday after Sunday? Aren't there so many other things in life to learn?
Sincerely, and with thanks,
Eugene T.S. Wong
testing out my trending skills
Duh! "We only code what we want." translates to "We want to code very little, because we'd rather do things like watch Anime all day."
Lars T.
To the guy who modded me down from perfect to terrible Karma - Apple haters still suck
The 2nd level boost should not be X²/100, but (X/100)² (== X²/10000).
Lars T.
To the guy who modded me down from perfect to terrible Karma - Apple haters still suck
If that won't confuse people, nothing will...
Never play leapfrog with a unicorn. Or a juggernaut.
hawk
Also, in that vein: there should be one-button view preferences (-1, Nested, Newest First) for moderation. Too often the +3s get modded to +5 while the interesting, new AC comments are ignored.
sulli
RTFJ.
I use lynx. At the moment, I'm forced into netscape, as the current version of lynx won't access its stored cookies.
When I have to use netscape frequently, I switch to 3.0 rather than 4.0.
No, *please* don't assume us to use the browser of the week.
hawk
And won't this increase the number of pages that have to be generated? I understood that pages where generated from the database and then static pages where delivered whenever possible. If everyone requires a page to be generated, won't that increase the load on the servers substantially?
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load "linux",8,1
Oh my god! Katz actually has fans? I'm putting all of 'em on my foe list now!
It's hard to be religious when certain people are never incinerated by bolts of lightning.
If I have a problem with a certain individual or opinion on /., I'll refute their argument with a post of my own. That's what /. is all about. Giving people a tool for ignoring those that annoy them just makes them ignorant.
/.. Over the years, it has helped me to grow as a person.
Once in a while, I'll see a post I don't like, or disagree with, and I'll write a post to counter it, and not submit it, because, along the way, I figure out that maybe that person is right, and I'm the one that's wrong. To me - this is the most valuable aspect of
I don't intend to use friend/foe. Except for the PenisBird.
These are my friends, See how they glisten. See this one shine, how he smiles in the light.
You are right. A bit of info for moderators: troll, flame-bait and flame . It's really a shame that "troll" has become something completely different here on /. In a nitpicking mode I ought to metamod as unfair about 99% of the troll-moderations. However since the mod's are obviously intended to mod comments down that really ought to be modded down, using the troll label is generally accepted.
karma capped
With every new update of slashcode, I see slashdot evolving from a news for nerds site into a weblog similar to livejournal.com or Blogger.. What's next? Personalized user icons?
the kind of discussion preferred (long vs short comments, lots of links in comments vs few links, + or - humor, etc.)
level of technical detail appreciated in posts (do I want to read 30 lines of C or not, do I have a strong physics background, etc.)
The fact is, there is no telling what kinds of communities might emerge. A site like /. with CF would be an absolutely unprecedented net community. Right now, /. is managed from the top down with the simple (albeit democratic) majority determining which information is most likely to be viewed by others. CF would allow the true flavor of /. to emerge to the benefit of each and every user.
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Just do what I do and set up a squid proxy at home, then an encrypted tunnel to your home machine. Configure your browser to proxy all requests to your home squid proxy, and voila, encrypted browsing of everything. Work will have no clue what you're doing.
Need a Python, C++, Unix, Linux develop
hawk
The number of registered users and the number of comments aren't interesting. The interesting number is the number of actual showings. Traditional Usenet newsreaders only stores information about read messages in the .newsrc file. /. could go further, and just store a timestamp each time a each user read an article with comments.
/. store a week worth of timestamps, we have 20 articles a day, and that a timestamp takes 4 bytes, the space would be 7 * 20 * 4 bytes per user. probably a lot less than /. already stores.
If we say each user read each article, that
And I believe you are confusing the user id with the comment id in your 3 million estimate.
I was premature in guessing you were in NY. I had done a Visualroute on your Email address, then realized you might not be using your ISP E-mail. When I took a second look, I think I accidentally turned up your full name, address and phone number. Honestly, I only thought I'd come up with a candidate state. And the internet is supposed to be anonymous, lol!
The following will probably make sense to you (and only you):
2WJDCA8626
My apologies if you feel I invaded your anonymity. As I said, getting more detail than a likely state was an accidental discovery.
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- - You can't take something off the Internet! That's like trying to take pee out of a swimming pool.
What I want to know is how do I find out who has me on there friend/foe list?
/.
/. I've found (yet) but they call these people your "freaks.
Look up your "fans" to see who has you on their friends list... that part is explained in
The trick I've found is to see who hate you... it's not listed anywhere on
You'll notice my links use the "my" name... just change it to ~username for someone and look 'em up, too.
Wheeeee
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Well, slashcode is open-source. Any volunteers?