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So, it's Friday night, and as usual, we need some sort of entertainment. Tonight's theme: fitness. Here's what happens when a computer geek meets a Navy SEAL for PT. It's not pretty. But does he learn? Oh no.
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Keeping in shape is easy, just become a Systems Administrator. All these long hours here working on systems provides no time for bad habbits such as eating. Oh, that is unless you run all UNIX, this fitness programs requires Microsoft Windows NT4 Server or better or Netware of any version.
Boy, are you in for a surprise. Wait until you hit your late thirties. If you aren't in shape then, you can kiss those all-night programming sessions good-bye. I could sure use one of those medical breakthroughs right about now.
Its an odd article for /. but its neat. I think that computer geeks (myself included) need to get out and exercise, its good for the mind, the most used geek muscle (we know its not a muscle though). I rock climb a lot, and it has helped me. Boot camp in this style is not as hard as the "real thing". At least they can't pull you out of bed at 1, after you just went to sleep.
GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOD MORNING VIETNAM!!!! from the delta to the DMZ............
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This is me at a convention in San Diego a few years ago. Before making any smartass comments, yes, I'm the one in the middle.
I am a former Marine, 225 lbs. @ 7% BF, who works as a real network engineer (not a lame-dick MCSE) who runs Linux and FreeBSD at home.
There are two points to this post.
1) I am the meanest geek, ever.
2) Just because you're smart, doesn't mean you have to play the role of the skinny, unathletic nerd.
"Study your math, kids. Key to the universe." -The Archangel Gabriel
Is that the work of steroids? You might have to go up to him and ask that question. He might offer a free demonstration how to rip and tear muscles into shape.
Just because you smile doesn't mean that it's either funny or polite.
There should be a moratorium on the use of the apostrophe.
Max V.
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In 1978, I had the *cough* *cough* pleasure of spending my mornings with Heinz Lenz. Here was a guy in his early 50's, and the rumor was he swam a couple miles before he led our little workouts. He put most of us 18-year-olds to shame. I'll never forget: "Good morning trrroops! Side strrraddle hop, begin!"
Would the persons responsible for war be investors (read us) who are attracted to large companies that maximize profits by lobbying polititions who maximize leverage that further exploitation in lucrative markets with the cheapest risk? A 36 percent return or greater a year is mighty rewarding and starts at the common people who invest. Would the nice house I just bought have helped incite a war in another country? One could say with large purchases, unintended influences are bought.
War might be about being on the bleeding edge of civilizaion.
Never bayonet a baby. They're more dangerous than they look -- stick with grenades.
I can't remember not working out. I think I've tried pretty much every type of regimen but really there isn't a better exercise than walking, especially if you're starting out of condition. For those of us who have always been in condition the question isn't how can anyone workout plus 90 minutes a day but rather how can anyone not workout 90 minutes plus a day. Bulking up and being buff at the top of your game is fun and really punches up self confidence but I'd rather go for streaching and breathing and staying as light as possible. I don't know what it's like to never have been in shape, especially when growing up, and then struggle to get in shape as a young adult, but I do know, like riding bikes and so much else, once you've been there it's just that much easier to find your back. Eat the Pain.
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Okay, I've got karma to burn (not that lack of it's ever stopped me before).
Lighten the ever-loving fuck up! These guys are the salt of the earth -- I should know; I served in the military myself. And to rebut your histrionic simpering, I present the following points:
Have Afghan civilians died? Certainly. That's the nature of war. Sometimes people die in combat. Sometimes those people have done nothing wrong. But the goal of the United States is not the wholesale slaughter of innocents; to the contrary, we've gone out of our way to ensure their safety time and again. And as for Israelis slaughtering Palestinians, I'd call the last, oh, 96 hours or so in Israel a pretty good indication of who the aggressors are. While one side attempts to negotiate in good faith, the other side is setting of suicide bombs in public places. Who's the good guy to you?
Next time you want to whimper about how terrible the U.S. military is, remember that their mission is to act as guarantors of freedom not merely for the U.S., but for the world. Sometimes the mere threat of their use is enough to cause aggressive individuals to reconsider. Sometimes we actually have to show the intestinal fortitude to use them. And sometimes, every once in a while, I wish they'd call in airstrikes on idiot hippies like you.
They that would sacrifice their
It's called "living in rural Alaska" and for anyone that's bored of the SEAL training, they should try cross country running. . . on tundra. . .at -50 below. . . while being chased by bison. . . in a blizzard. .
all to get the sunday paper. . .
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A high school bio teacher once told me that a friend of his in his youth (he was probably about 60) said the same thing to him when told he should quit smoking. "By the time I'm old enough, they'll have a cure for cancer." Oops.
"The question of whether a computer can think is no more interesting than that of whether a submarine can swim" -EWD
This guy was training civilians in, uh, Central Park. I could understand part of what you're saying, but I'm not sure attacking Slashdot for posting somebody's journal on physical training is particularly effective...
I didn't believe the guy who said that after his first day, he had to wash his hair by spraying the Shampoo on the wall and rubbing his hair against the wall, into the shampoo. I believe him now.
I happen to think that sort of thing is a bit amusing... sorry you don't agree...
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This crazy mo-fo just enouraged my ass to go get my EFX on for today.
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32 comments by the time I post this one...I'd be willing to bet 25 of them didn't read the article, as that was *damn* long, and very insightful.
:D
Some specifics would have been a little nice. I'm sure the vast majority of the Slashdot readerbase is sitting above the ideal weight zone, after all, and I'm kinda curious what Pete's before/after weights were.
And now I know I've *gotta* get a SportBrain.
"Mod, mod, mod...and another troll bites the dust."
Slashcode follows the open source coding and testing ethic of "it worked for me".
.NET server and rewriting their code using a stable, reliable platform like Visual C++ or .NET. Perhaps only then will the browser compatbility issues will be resolved.
Guess what - the W3 validator pukes on www.hotmail.com, whereas www.debian.org works just fine. Maybe, just maybe, it has nothing to do with whether it's open source or not.
2. Perhaps Slashdot should consider switching to IIS 5.0 or
These are just suggestions. I am here to help.
Maybe it would help if you knew something about the subject. What programming language you write an HTML generator in is irrelevant, as is, for the most part, the server.
"did you lose anything else with the steroids?"
Why you are curious about my nuts, I have no idea. But I'll answer, so you can sleep tonight.
Testicular atrophy is normal while taking steroids, but if you only are on for short periods of time, they swell back to normal once you stop the cycle.
If you take Clomiphene Citrate after a cycle, you can stay on for quite a while and still save your nads from perma-shrinkage.
If you want to bukkake your girl, pop a few Clomid tabs and wait a few days. You'll be spurting ounces at a time. Here's a pic of my pet squirrel after having Clomid mixed into his feed for a few days.
As for the phallus, steroids actually increase the size of it. Small balls, large crank. Who gives a shit about large nuts, anyway? Really, when was the last time you heard a bunch of chicks sitting around talking fondly of some guy's gigantic testes?
"Study your math, kids. Key to the universe." -The Archangel Gabriel
This article lacks several elements, to make it a good post:
1) no images to mirror. KW feel left out.
2) no cranky webserver. It has been an hour, and not sign of slashdotting.
3) putting "navy seal" and "geek" is just cruel and merciles.
4) "chase the rabbit". that sounds a lot like "punch the monkey".
5) it is posted by michael. You really can't complain about michael. He is not taco or katz,
and he is not a recurring item in the polls. Michael needs an scandal to make it in this business.
For now he is way too clean cut, and perfect. I suggest he starts with a good handle.
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Read the article. Took a look at the website for the training. They have a class for people like me. I'd even sign up, but the classes are only in Houston and NYC.
And, who are people like me? Remember, not all geeks are 90 lbs soaking wet. 6'2", 375lbs. Yes, you read that right. I sit in front of a computer all day drinking Mt Dew Code Red, my ass has no where to go but out.
Buying a treadmill, building a switch to turn off the TV unless I'm on and walking. At a regular stride, I can walk all day (and have). If this don't at least get me down to the point where I can take a PT class like this one, I'll die fat.
No boom today. Boom tomorrow. There's always a boom tomorrow. - Cmdr. Susan Ivanova
Interesting thing of note - Instructor Walston has done an Ironman Triathlon - Without the bike. He RAN 141 miles in one day. Can you imagine that?
To be honest, no, I can't imagine that. It's highly improbable.
The New York City marathon is 26 miles, and the winner usually does it in about 2 hours; and is completely wiped out. I believe it's quite impossible to run 141 miles in a single day, even for a world class runner.
Coincidentally, the Marathon des Sables in Morocco is 141 miles as well, and that takes 7 days to run.
why don't you buy yourself one asskicking!?
PAIN IS PLEASURE!
gogogo!
"i can never say no to anyone but you"
doubt it.. its just text.. did you even look before for trying to whore some karma with a link to google? Who doesn't know how google works anyway?
There are really two types of geeks:
The first is the simpsons watching, game playing, cube farm dwelling geek who likes lots of remote controls and whose programming is limited to the stuff at work.
The second type are the ones who do devote 110% of themselves to something they love.
Four day straight coding binges, countless hours of research and self-education IMHO far exceed the effort put forth by soldiers for one simply reason. There is no instructor screaming at this person to force them to give so much.
Don't get me wrong, I do have a great deal of respect for people who can go through this, but I am a little disturbed at the suggestion that this being a geek simply means that one gives "50%" of themselves and sits around playing with their cats all day.
That instructor may seem like a tough guy, but in reality, how does his efforts make the world a better place? Sure, the military is important, but militaries are only relavant to the present. Colin Powell may be remember as a great leader, perhaps for a few decades, but I truely believe that Richard Stallman will have a place in history as a revolutionary (atleast, for a century or so).
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HINT: If you are into post-modern identity chrisis (AC), then I'd suggest you keep your mouth shut and keep yourself invisible and thoughtless.
Well, here you go: I'm not anonymous. However, given your history of flame-bait comments, I suggest that you should consider an elective case of post-modern identity crisis in your future postings.
Every year during my review, I just pray the words "slashdot.org" aren't mentioned.
But I digress... back in ancient times when I was in high school and the USA was still sending folks to the moon, one of my track team buddies, a distance man, would train by literally chasing rabbits. Until they dropped. Dead. From heat exhaustion. He would simply go out to a back pasture in the farm, scare up a fluffy bunny, and chase him. He claimed it made training runs less boring. Turns out rabbits are quick but can't take long runs because they overheat. So anyway I took the headline a little too literally.
Animal lovers will probably now start a flame war on this thread. But I'm just a reporter here. I don't endorse it. Gramps is going back to his rocking chair now.
This reminds me a lot of my time on our schools crew team.. We haven't gone through what this guy did, but we go through hell and go through it together. When I started, I joined because I wanted to get in shape. However, what I have gotten out of it is the ability and willingness to push myself to new levels, and the chance to be able to be part of a true team. Yes, it sucks, but it is extremely rewarding. To anyone out there who has never really done something like crew or PT training, I would highly recommend it. The first few weeks will be hell (so will the rest of it, but you'll be used to it by then), but it will end up being one of the most rewarding things you have ever done for yourself.
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Son, we live in a world that has walls, and those walls have to be guarded by men with guns. Who's gonna do it? You? You, Lieutenant Weinberg?
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I have neither the time nor the inclination to explain myself to a man who rises and sleeps under the blanket of the very freedom that I provide and then questions the manner in which I provide it. I would rather you just said "thank you" and went on your way. Otherwise I suggest you pick up a weapon and stand at post. Either way, I don't give a damn what you think you are entitled to.
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I wouldn't do this. it might get me in better shape, but all that's good for is getting you laid - if you have the personality to back up the looks.
I have a horrible personality to most women. So being in shape won't give me any advantage in life that isn't immediately nullified by my basic nature.
Hence, exercising is useless to me.
At least I quit smoking, but only because I hated the smell and it made my eyes burn.
In case you want to get in shape (and/or prepare for BUD/S or Ranger School).
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I've known several SEAL "rejects" and dropouts (injuries, etc.), and these guys are more fit than I'll ever be!
The obstacles to entering Special Ops are more mental than physical. It's relatively easy to condition a body, it's hard to find a mind that combines "never quit" psychology and high intelligence. At least that's what a man with three tours in south east asia told me.
On the other hand, ever notice how almost all of the world's oldest people always say they smoked like chimneys and drank like fish and lived to a ripe old age anyway? ;-) The current oldest living person is that Japanese woman who thanked rice-wine for her longevity. The guy who runs the cigar shop down the street from me is a Cuban expatriate who's 78, looks and acts like a healthy 50, and smoked cigars all day every day from the time he was 11 until his 60s when he gave it up because it was affecting his ability to breathe easily, and so he switched to snuff.
:-o Most of us have or will have great jobs that pay well--what's the use of that, if we aren't going to use it to enjoy all of life's pleasures?
:-)
Yeah, I know, on the average people who "live healthy" will live longer. My philosophy is--ah, so what. Why do I want to be 90 anyway? I'll take 55 really good years of wine, women and song over 80 of running and bottled water. Give me pastries! Give me fine cuisine loaded with heavy creams and cheeses and red meats! Give me hand-rolled cigars! Give me Chateau d'Yquem when I can afford it and a cheap 5-liter box when I can't! And being a bit soft and pale may not look so great to the contemporary eye, but it's pleasing when touched nonetheless. I personally love the feeling when my big Homer Simpson tummy starts jiggling as a hot young lady pounds into me like a jackhammer. And when I can't find a hot young woman who wants to sleep with me, well, that's where http://www.bigdoggie.net comes in.
I've got a full humidor, a few bottles of last fall's Beaujolais Nouveau in the fridge, and I'm still practically glowing from my appointment yesterday with a former runway model the likes of whom most thin athletic people will never get to enjoy in the sack--and she does things most girlfriends and wives won't do! So, if lots of exercise and healthy living turns you on, great, enjoy it. But it certainly isn't the only way to enjoy life to its fullest, thank you. I have exactly the life I want, and I'd take it over 20 extra years of a less indulgent one.
Chasing Amy
(We all chase Amy...)
"The more corrupt the state, the more numerous the laws"-Tacitus
Sure hope his monitor misread his pulse.
240 beats per minute is *4 beats per second.*
Have you tried tapping your finger on the table 4 times a second?
Unless maybe you're a bird , or other small animal, 240BPM is *bad* for a heart that normally runs at 100BPM. Your heart does not have enough energy in reserve to do 240BPM for long.
You are in a twisty maze of processor lines, all alike.
There is a lot of hype here.
So what happened to this guy? Did 9-11 take him out, or something before that? His web page hasn't been updated since late 2000. First he's talking about taking the course a third time in October and then nothing for almost a year and a half. Kinda spooky.
When information is power, privacy is freedom.
You posted to the WRONG FSCKING STORY!
That's it. I'm no longer part of Team Sanity.
Got up at 1130 Saturday morning, checked my email and Slashdot. Reading this story (yes, the entire story) about a guy working out didn't actually make me feel good about myself. :)
Secant, cosine, tangent, sine
Three point one four one five nine
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Radical transcendental pi
Two point seven one eight two eight
Come on folks, let's integrate!
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If you moderate this, then your children will be next.
Do you really think most solidiers are in any more danger than an 18 year old male?
I don't think people understand how many solidiers there are out there that never, ever, see combat. The percentage that will never see combat is staggering.
If there is a war were a significant amount of solidiers will be called into action and are likely to be in danger, then the draft will be started.
Note: My example of the second type of geek was Stallman. By all accounts, Stallman gave up a great deal of finicial rewards to do something that he thought would better humanity. I'm sorry, but that kind of dedication and commitment far exceeds the commitment of a solidier who was conditioned to fire at a target by a screaming drill sargent.
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First off, you really shouldn't classify things into two categories. That makes you ignorant.
The only reason it is now "cool" to be a geek is because the everyday person uses it, and you get paid well to be one. That doesn't mean that geeks should be put on a throne and admired. Your comments lead me to believe that you are some kind of self-worshipping, elitest A-hole. In reality, that is what a lot of tech people are, so you shouldn't feel special. Don't worry, there are a lot of other types of people who act the same way too.
And stop with the 110% garbage. Cliche. If you are all geek, all the time, good for you. But don't expect people to automatically respect you for that. What dangers do you face in your life? What are YOU doing to make the world a better place? Do you think that in the end, technology is the answer? If you do, then you had better WAKE THE FUCK UP! You ask the question about the instructor "...how does his efforts make the world a better place?" That makes you seem uneducated and elitest. The fact that you may not remember those who gave their lives for YOUR FREEDOM doesn't mean that they aren't important. They are the unsung heros who lazy bastards like you take advantage of every day as you give your "110%" to a luxury like technology. Revolutionary! Bah. RMS may be a revolutionary, but you have to have something to revolt against, that that something was possible because of people in the military, government, artists, musicians, etc. You think technology built this country? It was the comman person, who busted their ass farming, working in factories, fixing your car, cooking your food, teaching you, RAISING YOUR ASS from a snotty nosed kid to a snotty nosed adult. Why don't you give credit where credit is due, instead of going through life with tunnel-vision?
Damn. Maybe I am reading too much into your weak comments, but you touched on something. For the most part, most of the tech people I know are physically lazy. Sure, they can code for 6 hours straight, and they can focus all their attention on one problem, but they usually can only function around other people like them. Why be ignorant of everything else? I know that there are specialists in every field, and there are tech specialists too who are the best at what they do. But that isn't everyone. If you aren't one of these people (and chances are you aren't) then you should expand yourself. Learn about other things. Get off your ass and go to a museum (of real art, not anime!). Read a book that doesn't have to do with cryptography or a programming language. Go in the kitchen and cook, instead of dialing the phone or having your mommy cook something for you. DO SOMETHING ELSE!!! Why are you sitting in front of that PS2 or Xbox for 5 hours straight? Yeah, it's fun. Why do you do it every day? What, may I ask, is that going to do to make the world a better place?
You may be asking yourself "who is this prick? He is probably a hypocrite." Some may think that. I certainly don't claim to be the most well-rounded person, but I realize that every day and try to fix it. I don't have delusions of grandeur, I don't try to be great. I try not to be an arrogant prick when I am right. I love to learn new things. I try to get stuck in one thing. It is boring!!!!! Don't be a boring person. Make this a better world by improving yourself, physically, mentally, spiritually, philosophically, technologically.... The list goes on. If you can speak out of some kind of experience, then I may be more apt to listen to you, but don't try and put other people down without having some kind of knowledge of what you are talking about. It is OK to not say anything. Just shut up and listen, you may learn something.
OK, I am getting tired of typing. If you ever met me, you would never guess that this rant is coming out of me, because I am the quiet guy. But by being quiet I listen and learn. Maybe I have just been trapped in SUVland suburbian hell for too long. Maybe I am just tired of all the cliches that I see cycling through this world. Maybe I am just sick and tired of ignorance.
My beliefs do not require that you agree with them.
and drain the fluid..." -this quote comes from the movie Fight Club, from Bob, who had "bitch tits", because he had his testicles removed after developing testicular cancer, which he said he got from being a "juicer", a person who takes 'roids.
/. to cyber this and genetic that, but when one guy
gets up to boast about his taking a body-altering pharmo substance,
everybody gets freaked. Personally, I'd never touch the stuff, let your body do its own thing.
The lesson here, kiddies, is, you play with fire, you will get burned. What's amusing is, there's a lot of attention paid on
Big Daddy, Johnny, Burp, Aunt Zelda, Scott, Slurp, Big Momma
Hmmm, tempted to take the subway over there, set up a lawn chair next to them, and take a nice long nap...
Choose to sysadmin.
"No problem. I have the capacity to do infinite work so long as you don't mind that my quality approaches zero."-Dilbert
War has existed since the dawn of time, and long periods of war never improve humanity. Humanity improves when intellectual revolutions occur.
I don't know about this - to say war has never improved humanity? That might be a stretch. Maybe war didn't improve it directly, but it certainly prompted rapid change. It is hard to imagine what the world would be like without the US Revolutionary War or the US Civil War. I am sure there are others that you can agree that had a great impact on the world. I think humanity can certainly improve as a result of war. Many technologies are produced for/by the military, so without wars, perhaps technology may not progress as rapidly. (but that begs the question, does technology improve humanity)
I don't have delusions of grandeur, I don't try to be great. It saddens me that you would say such a thing. If you do not live your life trying to be the best you possible can be, then why live at all?
That is different than what I meant by "great". I was referring to "great" in the common sense, as in the eyes of others. I don't try to be a great man. I just do what I do, to the best of my ability. I don't want to be rich and powerful. I just want to be happy. I could certainly be happy with money, but that is not my goal. I know people who are like that, they want to be great (in the selfish sense). It makes me sick. Some people thrive on the admiration of others and on having "power". Not me. It follows a more Zen philosophy, of just being. Just live in the moment, and appreciate everything you have. The desire to be great will cloud your judgement.
OK, we had better end this right now, or we will get modded down for having a reasonable discussion. This isn't the place for that. :-)
My beliefs do not require that you agree with them.
but in my own defense, the comments were pretty superficial.
:-)
:) What I still can't figure out, is how I had 50 prior to the above post, and then it got mod'd Troll=2, Insightful=3, Interesting=1, Overrated=2, and all the sudden, I'm at 48. Last time I checked -2 + 3 + 1 - 2 == 0. Guess Taco does math as good as he spells :)
I'll give you that I guess.
It is hard to imagine what the world would be like without the US Revolutionary War or the US Civil War.
It's hard to imagine what our life would have been like without these things, but after our society fails (and all societies due), both events will have little meaning. The Punic wars of Rome, or the Trojan war has very little meaning on our lives today. While they may shaped shaped history, they surely didn't improve mankind.
I am not anti-war, it is necessary in some circumstances, but I do not respect it and do not believe it benefits society.
Many technologies are produced for/by the military, so without wars, perhaps technology may not progress as rapidly. (but that begs the question, does technology improve humanity)
While war improves technology, does it really improve science? War may create a faster computer, but the science of Einstein and Turing are what has improved humanity with the computer. I kind of see the military's work with technology as it's justification for the tremendous amount of money we spend on it. It's kind of the same way NASA justifies itself. Now, working in the military sector, I can definitely say that while an aweful lot is accomplished, even more is wasted.
I recently visited the Princeton Plasma Physics lab and was told by one of the chief scientists there that there budget was only a few million dollars and if they were only guarenteed that some, they would be years ahead in their search for useful fusion energy. I recently worked on a project that had a budget of a few million dollars and IMVHO, had the money for that project been diverted to this lab, humanity would be much better off. Unfortunately, I don't make those decisions.
It follows a more Zen philosophy, of just being.
I had taken what you wrote as saying that you didn't try to be great, just good. To settle for just being good. To me, one can be great, or one can not be great. There is no middle ground.
OK, we had better end this right now, or we will get modded down for having a reasonable discussion. This isn't the place for that.
What's the point of hitting the cap if you can't burn karma a bit every once in a while
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The title of the race would imply that it's run on sand. If that's true, 20 miles per day is very impressive.
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