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802.11b at 22mbps
Radi-0-head writes "According to this article at PCWorld.com, "U.S. Robotics (USR) has boosted the speed of its latest range of wireless LAN products for small businesses to 22 megabits per second, while retaining compatibility with existing 2.4-GHz systems built to the IEEE 802.11b standard..." Sounds to me like a great alternative to 802.11a."
damn close to first post
Now it comes to me faster than ever
IMHO, 802.11a is DOA. I can't wait for 802.11g - which should interoperate with 802.11b.
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This may have increased the possibilities of using 802.11b. But besides cost why not just go all out with 802.11a and enjoy the 100mbps. It may be an alternative but it's still not quite as fast.
This article refers to USR as a totally stand-alone identity. This is news to me. Did 3Com spin off USR recently? Last I heard, they were a totally absorbed identity, thus no more USR modems or USR Palm Pilots (Irrelevant now). And furthermore, if US Robotics exists again, has Bernard Shifman returned to work there? :)
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Imagine a Beowulf cluster of these!
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You're not only getting faster speed, you're getting a stronger radio signal
Operating at the 2.4GHz range, this means I can throw out my microwave. This thing will heat up my coffee while giving me bandwidth.....
More news on the 22mbps USR WiFi can be found here, and the 88W8200 Wireless LAN Baseband Processor information can be found here
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A nearly free 100% speed boost is nice, but I would wait for 802.11g instead, giving 54Mbps in the 2.4GHz band and also being backward compatible with 802.11b.
I'm not an expert, but it seems to me 802.11a is doomed. Is there any reason to prefer it over the upcoming 54Mbps 2.4GHz stuff?
Oh, God no, not proprietary USR hardware that gives superior connection speeds! Not a return to the bad old days!
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This isn't terribly new. Companies have been doing 22Mbps 802.11 for awhile now: Link from 6/2001
Chatting on-line is something akin to visiting the local mall and sitting down in the food court to gab with total strangers.
Every day, thousands gather on the Internet to gossip, meet people, find companionship and pass the time. But just as in real life, there are bullies in chat groups who seek to spoil the fun for everyone else.
They invade and disrupt peaceful discussions and even kick unsuspecting users out. Sometimes they can even usurp the control of chat room hosts and ban them unceremoniously from their own room.
And there's not a darned thing anyone can do about it.
Such individuals consider themselves hackers, and they accomplish their nefarious ends with little programs called "bots" (essentially software robots) that autonomously perform certain tasks. They're not sophisticated and are available to anyone who is able to find them and download them from the Net.
Unfortunately, Web-based chat rooms -- at least the free ones set up by services such as MSN (the Microsoft Network), AOL Chat and IRC -- are extremely vulnerable to these bots, which use lines of computer code called scripts that perform specific actions.
What makes them so vulnerable is that many chat programs are built to use beneficial bots that automatically respond to actions they observe during a chat. For example, a benign administration bot might be set up to say hello to a user entering a chat area or immediately kick out a user who employs foul language.
But there are those that aren't so nice.
There are bots that just annoy: "Scrollers" that cause a chat room's display to repeatedly jump up and down on the screen, and "flooders" that will bombard a user with spurious messages. The worst will actually take over control of a chat room, boot out the person who set it up and give the hacker administrative control of the room.
That's the extent of their nastiness, though. Bots and scripts used in chat rooms can't affect your computer or let the hacker gain access to your hard drive.
Bear in mind, though, that to register for many chat rooms you have to enter a valid e-mail address into the host system. Hackers will be able to see this address and send you e-mail which could contain a virus. By not opening e-mail you're suspicious about and especially never clicking on any attachments you don't recognize, you can avoid infection. Basically, take the same precautions with such free e-mail addresses that you would with any e-mail.
"It seems some think this is a cute game to kill time," says Lynda, a customer support system operator for MSN, Microsoft Corp.'s chat community. Contacted through MSN's live on-line help desk, Lynda said there are often reports of such misuse of chats. "There are currently two bots that I know of people are using that has made this possible for them to do," she said.
So why don't Microsoft and other chat program developers and managers crack down on such misuse?
Well, for one thing, they are generally free services and aren't actively policed by the parent company -- after all, anyone can visit any of these sites and set up their own chat room. Thousands of users are on-line at any given time at each of the services.
So what do you do if you're in the middle of an intriguing conversation with someone and you get suddenly kicked out into the chat site's lobby? "Most people will come here and report it," Lynda said.
"The best advice is to leave the room and create a new room," said Lynda. "The [hackers] that do take ownership really do not do much while in the room."
And services like MSN will get involved when things get serious. Any room that contravenes MSN's code of conduct by having sexual or illegal content in the name or topic gets the owner or host banned from the service.
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Wow!! 22 millibits per second. That means it only takes 45 seconds to transfer a whole bit!
I can't wait until 22Mbps devices come out.
One of these days/I'm going to cut you into little pieces.
The most interesting thing in this article, as the speed itself isn't blow-your-mind-out-of-the-sky for current wireless, is that this will be backwards compatible with current 802.11b.
Doubling of the bandwidth for parts of the wireless commmunities that have spread up will gradually take place - and we'll all be the better for it.
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So at twice the speed, I can gather enough packets to crack WEP encryption keys in half the time using Airsnort. Seriously, I really want secure security! My office won't move to wireless until there is cheap and proven FIPS-140 compliant security.
11 Mbps to 22 Mbps SOUNDS like a 100% increase, but what is the real speed/range gain? Given an 11 Mbps system with 3 nodes each at 10m from the access point, what is the actual thruput? Is switching to the USR system going to actually DOUBLE that?
Network speeds rank right up there with CRT sizes, CD-ROM spin speeds and tape storage capacity as some of the biggest bullshit numbers in computing.
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6,164,217,77,1,36,188,47,254,121,129,6,3
22,24,97,131,230,211,252,249,152,224,127,
207,88,188,41,102,193,175,204,145,2
54,68,102,53,109,223,21,16,95,158,190
170,98,134,101,34,75,100,198,35,13,2
182,68,128,38,144,64,99,100,182,35,1
209,246,68,177,42,36,208,22,153,230,4
30,76,3,234,15,82,134,76,69,93,171,16
217,31,39,199,172,8,1,8,226,61,94,43,170,1
97,196,31,56,161,216,237,87,210,214,0,25
138,63,214,43,148,125,132,161,58,216,
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82,165,226,149,177,194,162,54,214
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the proper SI notation would be
22 Mb/s
Is this going to be like the X2 non-standard modem but for the wireless world? If so, then as words taken by the Duke Nukem," Blow it out YER ass!!"
That's the last we need it a half assed proprietary kinda-standard that only works well when you use their equipment.
I'll believe these speed ratings when they come out with Gigabit WiFi. I never got more than 8Mbps with an Avaya GOLD card even if i was in the same room as the base station.
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802.11a has dropped drasticly in price and continues to fall.
There is no reason for this silly US Robotics specific solution. (except marketing to fools)
If you want more speed, pay a little more and get 802.11a, or wait a short while for it to be in the same price range.
Or, put your money into a better antenna on your WAP since few get the full bandwidth with existing 801.11b because of those tiny cheap antennas built into most WAPs.
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802.11a is fine if all you want to do is talk to other 802.11a equipment. That leaves you out of the 802.11b loop!
...to me WHY the WiFi manufacturers are focusing on speed BEFORE they worry about security? WEP is still a joke.
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why is everyone against 802.11a? i thought that everyone was b***** and moaning about how 2.4ghz affects your phone and every damn thing that seems to run at 2.4ghz nowadays... yet you are just waiting for 802.11g just so that you can b**** and moan again? geez....
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the cost of upgrading all of our equipment to 802.11a was astrnomical, if this is compatible with 'b' we could do our access points and all new network adapters slowly phasing out 'b' in a much more cost effective manner
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These chips double 802.11b speeds by functioning full duplex. The drawback however, is that this requires category 5 air.
Not all offices and homes fulfill this requirement. Location plays an important role: in the city you'll most likely not be able to communicate full duplex. In suburbs you'll have a fair chance if you're not too close to the city. In rural area's you'll most probably always have full duplex.
You can communicate at 22 Mbps over short distances using category 4 air, but when the peers are more than a few meters apart, category 5 air becomes a must.
Just something you might want to know before you buy these things..
USR OEMs their 802.11B products from Tiawanese company Eumitcom, recently bought out by Addtron. The SMC, USR, Linksys, Belkin and quite a few other PCMCIA Intersil based 802.11B cards are Eumitcom WL-11000s and the access points are also Eumitcom, sometimes in different cases, sometimes not.
Given that, is the doubling of claimed bandwidth actually USRs doing or is it Intersil's doing, Eumitcom or USR that has doubled claimed performance. Perhaps, USR is just first to market with this.
run a more secure protocol like IPSec over the wireless connection, which is what they should have been doing anyways.
USR does not have a esitmated market release for their new cards (this from a USR sales person).
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Some other companies have also started producing the new standard, notably BuffaloTech.
http://www.buffalotech.com/news/prelease/airsta
Any insider information as to when these cards can bought at a local Bestbuy ?
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First, the 2.4 GHz has a ton of other devices sharing the same spectrum, from Bluetooth to wireless headphones, to your microwave. 802.11a runs in the 5GHz band instead.
.11b APs will.
Second, according to the last proposals I'd heard of, 802.11g is going to achieve higher bandwidth by taking up more of the spectrum. In other words, it is going to use more channels to simultaneously broadcast data, rather than just being able to shove more data down the same channel. This means your own access points will begin to interfere with each other much sooner than your 802.11a or
In general, it is going to depend on your situation as to which you wish to choose. 802.11g will be great for backwards compatibility, but the news coming out of IEEE seems to indicate that 54Mbps is more like something to shoot for than something they expect to achieve. 802.11a won't have compatibility, and it will also have a shorter range, but it will have higher speeds with less interference.
As you probably know, 802.11a and 802.11b each define a different physical layer. 802.11b radios transmit at 2.4 GHz and send data up to 11 Mbps using direct sequence spread spectrum modulation; whereas, 802.11a radios transmit at 5 GHz and send data up to 54 Mbps using OFDM (Orthogonal Frequency Division Multiplexing).
Quoting the headline... "802.11b at 22mbps". Who the heck would want a 22 millibit per second connection? Sure, I wouldn't mind a 22 megabit per second (Mbps) connection, but that's a whole different story I guess.
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Isn't Apple already shipping 54Mbps Airport cards? I thought I heard about that several months ago, but I just checked their site and it just says 11Mbps, so maybe I'm confused?
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Sounds to me like a great alternative to 802.11a
Rather than use a hacked non-standard modification of 802.11b, why not use 802.11g? It offers the same transfer speeds as 802.11a, but was designed to be compatible with existing 802.11b networks. So you can upgrade an existing 802.11b network to 802.11g gradually. With 802.11a, you have to rip out your old 802.11b wireless network and replace everything.
lets see, at 22 millibits/sec it would take 1000 seconds to get 22 bits. I don't see how this will be a practical form of networking, it would be faster to read hexidecimal over the phone to the other end.
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802.11b at 22Mbps isn't new. Another company called Artem (www.artem.de) does it as well. They have this access point operates as a bridge and access point at the sametime, it splits the available 22Mbps. Where as a conventional setup would require 2 seperate set of equipment.
Late last year Proxim delivered their Harmony 802.11a PC-Cards that are capable of "2X" mode, which yields 108 Mbps. At the time, a 2X AP wasn't available, so I tested using two PC-Cards.
Unfortunately, the 5 GHz band used by 802.11a has trouble punching though anything much thicker than paper. I only obtained above 100 Mbps when standing within 8 feet of the other card. And that's with the antennas optimally aligned to each other.
Repeating the tests using 802.11b cards showed vastly better range at full bandwidth, and much better fade resistance.
We wanted to use 802.11a in 2X mode to send live 1500x1100 video about 50 feet. No way, no how.
I'm planning to try again when 802.11g ships. The 2.4 GHz band simply has much more "punch" within the limits of the 802.11 family of protocols.
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802.11b
pros:
11Mbps at low cost. Many vendors.
cons:
802.11b operates in 2.4GHz, which collides with among other things, bluetooth, wireless phones, and microwave ovens.
802.11a
pros:
Higher speed at 54 Mbps
Operates in 5 GHZ which is less used
cons:
New radios and antennas required if used to replace existing 802.11b network
802.11g
pros:
Higher speed at 54 Mbps and includes backward compatibility to existing 802.11b equipment
Antennas can be resued if used to replace existing 802.11b network
cons:
Operates in 2.4GHz, which collides with among other things, bluetooth, wireless phones, and microwave ovens.
New radios required because of new chipsets
Sorry, I can't tell you whether a or g is going to replace b, and at what speed existing b users will change to new technology.
11g is really 11a-style OFDM at 2.4 Ghz rather than the 5 Ghz band. There would be two (at least) 11g modes: a compatibility mode whereby OFDM packets and legacy 11b CCK packets coexist, and one which is "pure" OFDM at 2.4 Ghz.
... and these differences are quite small if you have a good 11a radio with a good antenna.
The compatibility mode adds a huge overhead to each transmitted packet. An 11g transmitter in this mode must first complete a legacy 11b RTS/CTS operation on the air which, if successful, is followed by the actual packet. Even if the actual packet were transmitted at nearly infinite bandwidth, the effective bandwidth you'd see on a connection would be quite low - think 10 Mb/s on average. That's not exactly chopped liver and its way better than legacy 11b, but it's definitely not 54 Mb/s.
There are suprisingly large differences between 11a products, even those using the exact same vlsi chips. There are two primary reasons: differences in choice of output power amplifier (or lack thereof) and differences in choice of antenna.
You can deduce some of what's going on by looking
at power and sensitivity ratings in manufacturers product specs. By the way, this also a great way to distinguish between 11b products as well.
Second generation 11a products have much better receiver sensitivity and output power than the first generation versions. And they do transmit through walls... although not concrete or metal or mirrors or some ceramics.
The main reason why 11b can reach farther than 11a in some situations is that 11b can ratchet down to 1 Mb/s whereas 11a is defined for rates from 54 down to 6 Mb/s (11g is identical to 11a in this regard). The difference in SNR and sensitivity needed at a receiver to pick out the 11a or 11g signal accounts for nearly all of the differences in range
Thus, 11g will have the same power, SNR, and receiver sensitivity challenges as 11a in the 5 Ghz band, but will also have a small boost in signal propagation efficiency in the lower band.
Don't get bamboozled by the hype about compatibility with 11b. Compatibility for sharing the channel does not imply that the radio properties of 11g are the same as 11b.
Most vendors are busy bringing out 11a+b base stations and NIC cards. 11g in compatibility mode looks like a nightmare, whereas 11g in "pure" mode looks like 3 more channels of high performance OFDM if you have an 11a radio that can tune to both the 5Ghz and 2.4 Ghz bands. Aside from the higher-power outdoor channels at 5.8, this provides 11 channels for OFDM (8 at 5 Ghz plus 3).
And this means that a group of base stations in an AP-dense environment will certainly be able to find a clear channel.
I didn't say much about the PBCC-based 22 Mb/s products. PBCC is actually a clever design but is likely going to be overshadowed by OFDM at 5 Ghz (11a) and OFDM at 2.4 Ghz (11g variants).
The difference is that this will let you use your *current* b equipment, your *new* 22 M b equipment, AND your as-yet-unpurchased g equipment...all in a unified network (though you need to keep the 22 M equipment in there to bridge the b and g.) .a network that talks to nothing but a.
OR
you could just wait and build a completely homogenous
My USR Courier MODEM, now being about 7 years old (my model) was first a V.34 28.8k MODEM, then upgraded to V.34bis 33.6k with a simple firmware download, then X2 56k, then V.90 56k and now it seems, after 7 years, it will be upgradable to V.92 soon.
With an Intel 80186 20MHz (25MHz for US model), TI DSP, flash memory, etc, it is one heavily over engineered beast of a MODEM.
Does'nt surprise me that the company to get extra performance out of a technology, is USR.
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Well, I am not sold on 802.11b anyway. There was a recent article in InfoWorld that talked about how polluted the 2.4GHz band is. There are things like fusion lighting (so cool!), microwave ovens, cordless phones, not to mention Bluetooth using the same frequency.
Is increasing the range/bandwidth of 802.11b really a good idea? Wouldn't it be better to develop 802.11a (which uses 5.5GHz)?
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